Waiora seems like a good but pricey product, Liquid Zeolite Company does not

[Guest guest]

It is confusing as to which warnings are real, which hype is real, and

what perhaps is just one company cutting down others.

 

I have heard basically good things about the Waiora NCD Zeolite.

However, there is another liquid zeolite company making a big splash

that may not be good or safe at all - The Liquid Zeolite Company.

 

There product is surely much less expensive, but too many red flags

have been waved and I now urge everyone to stay away from it - and

apologize for every posting the website to begin with.

 

Too bad the Waiora product is MLM. I have yet to see an MLM product

that I do not consider overpriced.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " bbanever " <bbanever wrote:

>

> Tony,

>

> If I may, one more thing as it pertains to NCD. I gave it to a cat

> diagnosed with bowel cancer along with colloidal silver. As of this

> writing, 6 months after the initial diagnosis, the cat is in complete

> remission to the surprise of her vet and her owner.

>

> Bob

> -

> " Tony "

> <oleander soup >

> Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:17 PM

> [!! SPAM] A warning about liquid zeolite

>

>

> > It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her

> > reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding

> > the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,

> > btw, I know he is reading this):

> >

> > Potential Danger - Don't Eat " Liquid Zeolite! "

> >

> > The newest multi-level-marketing products called " Liquid Zeolite " , the

> > most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being

> > promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all over

> > the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will

> > " kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals

> > and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by

> > capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure. " The

> > company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there is

> > a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of

> > terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed

> > zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, and

> > no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.

> >

> > Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,

> > has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biological

> > detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used in

> > industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally

> > insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in feces

> > along with the toxins that it has adsorbed.

> >

> > The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite

> > liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that their

> > liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as

> > something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik

> > Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has

> > written much about his product, including a diatribe against me for my

> > warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.

> >

> > These " Liquid Zeolite " products contain zeolite that is now in

> > solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may

> > also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This would

> > not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned

> > above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminants

> > are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite is

> > liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble

> > aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble

> > minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the

human body.

> >

> > The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their

> > mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether

> > tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,

> > aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting

> > zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to a

> > liquified product.

> >

> > In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is precisely

> > this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions

> > about its safety:

> >

> > *

> >

> > What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and

> > inter-cellular spaces?

> > *

> >

> > What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?

> > *

> >

> > Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?

> > *

> >

> > Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they

excreted?

> > *

> >

> > How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular

> > bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?

> > *

> >

> > How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein

> > channel, or through the cell membrane?

> > *

> >

> > What do they do to developing cells or tissue?

> > *

> >

> > If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can

> > likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to

> > the neural membrane or to developing brain cells?

> > *

> >

> > Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components

> > of the human cell), and, if so, how?

> > *

> >

> > Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does

> > it affect DNA and RNA)?

> > *

> >

> > Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?

> > *

> >

> > Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do

> > they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or

> > auto-immune disease?

> >

> > These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very

> > much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should

> > heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal

> > detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is true

> > for NCD and the other zeolite liquids.

> >

> > It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,

> > such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and

> > efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered

> > zeolite.

> >

> > There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products

> > and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans have

> > been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on the

> > earth, hundreds of thousands of years.

> >

> > In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the

> > entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has no

> > known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide

> > multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick

people.

> >

> > Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based

> > natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers

> > and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These

> > have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.

> >

> > If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a

> > powdered product, not a liquid.

> >

> > If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I

> > suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you

> > realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting

> > it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (Limited

> > Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a

> > settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual

> > practice they are rarely or never actually sued.

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Some quick comments about Zeolite.

 

Tony, I have seen the article that you sent

in, mostly on sites that sell the powdered Zeolite. ;o) I agree whole-heartedly

about the MLM part. My “beef” with them are the high prices and

the comments that it “cures” everything from cancer to a swollen big

toe. Yes, I’m exaggerating – they do, so why can’t I? Other

MLM companies have paid high prices (as in having their business shut down) for

using these “emotional” words and it is usually the distributors that

get them into trouble. And, what is the BEST type of advertising – Marketing

101 tells us that it is always “word-of-mouth.” This is exactly

what the MLM companies know. If they can get real people to sell and continually

talk about their products, then they WILL make money. People had rather do what

their neighbor suggests rather than researhing a health topic on their own.

 

I did a lot of research about the aluminum

controversary and I do not believe that it is valid, except for some to try to make

liquid zeolite look unsafe.

 

Certainly if people want to pay $40 for a

1-ounce bottle that is up to them, but they are wasting their money.

 

We have a liquid zeolite, made by one of the most knowledgeable guys on the subject

of zeolite and how to make liquid zeolite. In fact, some people tried to make

sure that he never did “business” again. He also makes a great

molecular silver that we carry in-office. Our liquid zeolite is called ZeoMAX

and is bound to fulvic acid as a carrier and from what I can tell is close to the

same as Quantum Zeolite. We also do not use chemicals to process our zeolite

and use a very good from of structured water. Ok…enough for our spill.

 

I believe that zeolite is a good addition

for cleansing and especially heavy metals and many people benefit.

 

Don’t you just love Inernet Marketing?

I have worked with some of the “big boys” in natural health marketing

and it is surprising what they can do with very simple information. All I

can do is shake my head. Sometimes I think that when it comes to marketing

and advertising, Big Pharma has nothing on natural medicine. ;o) And what

is sad is that when the truth is told, no one believes it!

 

Be Well

Loretta

 

 

 

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It

is confusing as to which warnings are real, which hype is real, and

what

perhaps is just one company cutting down others.

 

I

have heard basically good things about the Waiora NCD Zeolite.

However,

there is another liquid zeolite company making a big splash

that

may not be good or safe at all - The Liquid Zeolite Company.

 

There

product is surely much less expensive, but too many red flags

have

been waved and I now urge everyone to stay away from it - and

apologize

for every posting the website to begin with.

 

Too

bad the Waiora product is MLM. I have yet to see an MLM product

that

I do not consider overpriced.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

so my question is, do I stop natural cellular defense that I paid hundreds of dollars for, and do something new??? HELP!!!!!

 

-

Dr. Loretta Lanphier

oleander soup

Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:18 AM

RE: Waiora seems like a good but pricey product, Liquid Zeolite Company does not

 

 

 

 

Some quick comments about Zeolite.

 

Tony, I have seen the article that you sent in, mostly on sites that sell the powdered Zeolite. ;o) I agree whole-heartedly about the MLM part. My “beef” with them are the high prices and the comments that it “cures” everything from cancer to a swollen big toe. Yes, I’m exaggerating – they do, so why can’t I? Other MLM companies have paid high prices (as in having their business shut down) for using these “emotional” words and it is usually the distributors that get them into trouble. And, what is the BEST type of advertising – Marketing 101 tells us that it is always “word-of-mouth.” This is exactly what the MLM companies know. If they can get real people to sell and continually talk about their products, then they WILL make money. People had rather do what their neighbor suggests rather than researhing a health topic on their own.

 

I did a lot of research about the aluminum controversary and I do not believe that it is valid, except for some to try to make liquid zeolite look unsafe.

 

Certainly if people want to pay $40 for a 1-ounce bottle that is up to them, but they are wasting their money.We have a liquid zeolite, made by one of the most knowledgeable guys on the subject of zeolite and how to make liquid zeolite. In fact, some people tried to make sure that he never did “business” again. He also makes a great molecular silver that we carry in-office. Our liquid zeolite is called ZeoMAX and is bound to fulvic acid as a carrier and from what I can tell is close to the same as Quantum Zeolite. We also do not use chemicals to process our zeolite and use a very good from of structured water. Ok…enough for our spill.

 

I believe that zeolite is a good addition for cleansing and especially heavy metals and many people benefit.

 

Don’t you just love Inernet Marketing? I have worked with some of the “big boys” in natural health marketing and it is surprising what they can do with very simple information. All I can do is shake my head. Sometimes I think that when it comes to marketing and advertising, Big Pharma has nothing on natural medicine. ;o) And what is sad is that when the truth is told, no one believes it!

 

Be WellLoretta

 

 

 

 

 

It is confusing as to which warnings are real, which hype is real, and

what perhaps is just one company cutting down others.

 

I have heard basically good things about the Waiora NCD Zeolite.

However, there is another liquid zeolite company making a big splash

that may not be good or safe at all - The Liquid Zeolite Company.

 

There product is surely much less expensive, but too many red flags

have been waved and I now urge everyone to stay away from it - and

apologize for every posting the website to begin with.

 

Too bad the Waiora product is MLM. I have yet to see an MLM product

that I do not consider overpriced.

 

Tony