My first batch. Can anyone advise?

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

 

I’m making my first batch of ‘soup’ – can anyone

advise or correct in case I am doing something wrong

?

 

Here’s my methodology :-

 

2 kgs fresh washed stem/leaf, cut into 2.5 cm pieces.

Cover with 10 litres of water, boiling 3.5 hours.

Let stand for 2 hours to ensure extraction was

complete as after boiling, the raw material still

seemed quite tough. This stage is not in recipe, any

comments?

 

Strain & remove exhausted plant material.

Concentrating by boiling to 1.010 SG (in progress)

Then will cool and filter using lab grade paper.

 

I plan adding alcohol for preservation using 95%

alcohol.

I plan to add 1 part 95% alcohol to 3 parts extract at

1.010 S.G.

 

I do not plan to add syrup or other sweetener at this

point.

 

Does this meet the approval of experienced soup makers

?

 

Any guidelines for dosing for this strength of extract

?

 

Does anyone know the approximate ratio of fresh NO

leaf/stem to the finished extract and dosing for the

same ? This is the usual method I use for

standardising strength of extracts and subsequent

dosing – equivalent raw material factor.

 

I’m also processing graviola for trials on patients

with a doctor friend. I’m wondering if graviola might

be a good and compatable synergist to combine with

NOE. Marc uses sutherlandia with NOE in a similar way.

 

 

Any info on preparing a N.O. power format for

capsules? In the case of N.O. I cannot disperse the

extract onto dried powder of the same plant material

due to toxicity – that’s where the graviola may come

in.

 

Does anyone have info on the FDA guidelines for the

‘compassionate use’ clause for using ‘experimental’

products (such as NOE) as a last resort treatment?

 

Does anyone have any input on producing a bioavailable

selenium product for cancer use ? A colloidal or

ionic form maybe? Maybe Tony can comment here.

 

I’m making CS now and will be looking into the Gaia

Research formulation that includes colloidal copper &

zinc with silver. Another one for Tony !

 

The problem in Indonesia is that people are poor and

cannot afford imported supplements etc., making our

own effective and cheap products is the way I want to

go. I refuse to cater for people on the basis of

money, products must be available to all !

 

Keep up the good work.

 

For a better world !

 

Phillip on Java

[Guest guest]

It is after midnight here and so I will only be able to address a few

items before my brain shuts down for the night.

 

First of all, you may be able to alter the process - but my

instructions clearly say to follow them exactly. And my instructions

call for just enough liquid to cover the top of your plants in the pot

and then reducing the original liquid down to 30% over the course of

the two boilings and then mixing 50% (half and half) with vodka or

apple cider vinegar.

 

I would highly suggest you follow the instructions before starting gto

improvise. If you do otherwise, you need to figure out a way to figure

dosage based on the original instructions.

 

Secondly, even if you are using filter paper I would still filter

twice. Filtering is the key to avoiding common side effects.

 

I will have to address the rest of your message tomorrow. Perhaps

Marc will notice your question and guide you by way of specific

gravity measurements.

 

 

oleander soup , Phillip Johnson <ilonapj wrote:

>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I'm making my first batch of `soup' – can anyone

> advise or correct in case I am doing something wrong

> ?

>

> Here's my methodology :-

>

> 2 kgs fresh washed stem/leaf, cut into 2.5 cm pieces.

> Cover with 10 litres of water, boiling 3.5 hours.

> Let stand for 2 hours to ensure extraction was

> complete as after boiling, the raw material still

> seemed quite tough. This stage is not in recipe, any

> comments?

>

> Strain & remove exhausted plant material.

> Concentrating by boiling to 1.010 SG (in progress)

> Then will cool and filter using lab grade paper.

>

> I plan adding alcohol for preservation using 95%

> alcohol.

> I plan to add 1 part 95% alcohol to 3 parts extract at

> 1.010 S.G.

>

> I do not plan to add syrup or other sweetener at this

> point.

>

> Does this meet the approval of experienced soup makers

> ?

>

> Any guidelines for dosing for this strength of extract

> ?

>

> Does anyone know the approximate ratio of fresh NO

> leaf/stem to the finished extract and dosing for the

> same ? This is the usual method I use for

> standardising strength of extracts and subsequent

> dosing – equivalent raw material factor.

>

> I'm also processing graviola for trials on patients

> with a doctor friend. I'm wondering if graviola might

> be a good and compatable synergist to combine with

> NOE. Marc uses sutherlandia with NOE in a similar way.

>

>

> Any info on preparing a N.O. power format for

> capsules? In the case of N.O. I cannot disperse the

> extract onto dried powder of the same plant material

> due to toxicity – that's where the graviola may come

> in.

>

> Does anyone have info on the FDA guidelines for the

> `compassionate use' clause for using `experimental'

> products (such as NOE) as a last resort treatment?

>

> Does anyone have any input on producing a bioavailable

> selenium product for cancer use ? A colloidal or

> ionic form maybe? Maybe Tony can comment here.

>

> I'm making CS now and will be looking into the Gaia

> Research formulation that includes colloidal copper &

> zinc with silver. Another one for Tony !

>

> The problem in Indonesia is that people are poor and

> cannot afford imported supplements etc., making our

> own effective and cheap products is the way I want to

> go. I refuse to cater for people on the basis of

> money, products must be available to all !

>

> Keep up the good work.

>

> For a better world !

>

> Phillip on Java

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tony & Marc for info – I will filter many times

as per your directions to ensure best quality.

 

Status Report:- I broke my hydrometer while boiling

the soup down (clumsy). Rather than waste the batch, I

decided to made a concentrate for use in a cream to

test for skin cancers, liver spots etc.

 

From 2kgs leaf/stem + 10 kgs water (which was enough

to cover the material, as per the standard recipe) the

yield was 270 grams of a thick brown extract.

 

I will buy some accurate scales for SG testing for an

oral NO product.

 

I am not online at home - so forgive me if my answers

are a little late.

 

Marc, you say the powder is difficult to make for

capsules etc. NO seems to be tolerant to heat, so

drying the soup concentrate onto a powder base

(graviola in my case maybe) should be a viable and not

too difficult option.

 

I am lucky as in Indonesia almost anything is easily

available in small quantites, solvents, chemicals,

capsules, you name it.

 

Any comment on possible combination I could use for

the NO as a base or synergist? What are your thoughts

on graviola as a possibility?

 

BTW - I make graviola capsules containing leaf powder

that has been impregnated with a 50% ethanol extract

of graviola. This means I can make a 1 gram ‘leaf

equivalent’ dosage in one OO capsule. Evaporation is

done under partial vacuum.

 

Anyone have any info on the compassion clause by FDA

for the use of expermimentals?

 

Many thanks,

 

Phillip on Java