Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. I could really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator's message, but it just is not worth it. CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with a grain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the good advice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challenge any of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results from the horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about side effects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here: /hepatitis.htm People like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancer groups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those who had been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give up and should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They had rather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life! What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhashed daily and inundated with " Just Ask Your Doctor " propaganda is this: Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take care of illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a very profit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cure anything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make good profits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugs that only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to more conditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that is EXACTLY what we have now. I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr! Maybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known than that illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject: " Nature is the physician of man. " -Hippocrates, " the father of medicine " -The Nature of Man " Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy the reason for its existence. " - James Bryce " I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk to the bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and all the worse for the fishes. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes " God heals and the doctor takes the fee. " - Benjamin Franklin " The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholar foots it by their side. " - Robert Burton -Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15) " Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor for a nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God never made his work for man to mend. " - John Dryden -Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92) " Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook his head, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his fee to-morrow. " - John Gay -The Sick Man and the Angel " Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as a major operation by a surgeon. " - Dag Hammarskjold -News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956 " You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write a bill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, the dose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though you recover, he must break. " - Matthew Prior -Alma (canto III, l. 97) " But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd the politician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of my physician. " - Matthew Prior - The Remedy Worse than the Disease " Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soever they have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, the earth covereth. " - Francis Quarles - Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man " Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing. " - Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire] " Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases. " - Moliere (1622-1672) " The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " - Thomas Edison " Having good health is very different than only being not sick. " - Seneca the Younger, 50AD " In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties. " - Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881 " Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied to relieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part of Nature. " - Elbert Hubbard " Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patient with food. " Hippocrates, 420BC " One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses not to take medicine. " - William Osler " A merry heart does good like medicine. " - Proverbs 17:22 " Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makes them sinful. " - Martin Luther (1483-1546) " Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However, lucky for you, I happen to be a quack. " - Richter cartoon caption " I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanity in the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind. " - Mahatma Gandhi " The life so short, the craft so long to learn. " - Hippocrates " How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases. " --Victor Schlichter, attributed by his son Dr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina " The miserable have no other medicine but only hope. " - William Shakespeare Measure for Measure " Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolonged pain, disease, discomfort and wealth. " - Robert Orben " Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. " - Thomas Szasz, M.D. " The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease. " - Voltaire (1694 - 1778) " [Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results of which, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind. " - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821) " For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten in healthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousand times more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill. " - Marcel Proust " Modern medicine " may well be defined as " the experimental study of what happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human bodies. " - A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine (http://www.orthomed.org) " A potent quack, long versed in human ills, Who first insults the victim whom he kills; Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect, And whose most tender mercy is neglect. " - George Crabbe " Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live. " - Henry David Thoreau " I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine have a tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. A doctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend you to a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success. " - Ernest Hemingway " Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining what there are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, as possible. " - Florence Nightingale " Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is a physician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest, but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed that a physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a maker of money, have we not? - Plato " It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called in when the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais " One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis. " - Karl Kraus " Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face. They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them. When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come together without laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's profession is a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other's failure. " - Henry David Thoreau " The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higher his reputation soars even amongst powerful princes. " - Desiderius Erasmus " The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can only advise his clients to plant vines. " - Frank Lloyd Wright " To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinking that drugs will make you healthy. " - Andrew Saul, PhD " The only safe vaccine is one that is never used. " Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health " There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there are outside its ranks. " Dr. J. P. Baldwin " Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they are not charlatans. " Dr. Magendie (The great French physician) " We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people till they believe it. " Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark) " ...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter, had been grossly misled. " Dr Archie Kalokerinos " Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are all subversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vital functions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all produce disease. " Dr. R.T. Thrall " Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' and originator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind. He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within the body... " Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair " Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone can create, and healing is re-creation. " Dr. William S. Sadler " Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, and medical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense. " Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh) " I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people. " Dr Mark Donohoe " Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, the dietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow. " Dr. ALEXIS CARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the Rockefeller Institute.) " Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud. " Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling " You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound to perish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche " He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his own medicine. " PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University " An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of such an enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia. No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book without being appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh of trash. " PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association, June, 1920 " The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the world with incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankering minerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poison bags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogs extracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust down the throat of gullible human beings. " Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S. " We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form of anti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunised person contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, it is pretty good evidence that such " protection " is valueless, isn't it? Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed to be immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE ARE QUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the present prestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, its scientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, its well heralded " achievements, " we are most assuredly quacks, professing to do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence. " Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc. " Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, the dietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow. " Dr. ALEXIS CARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the Rockefeller Institute.) " A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is also his medicine. " - Henry David Thoreau " If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic. " - William Shakespeare " Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors. " - Gabriel García Márquez " Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the cases medicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience to spiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine of the spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness. " - Harriot K. Hunt " No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by any other means. " - Moses Maimonides (1135-1204) " The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician. Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind. " - Paracelsus " Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results of which taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind. Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia. " - Napoleon Bonaparte " Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctors know nothing. " - Benvenuto Cellini " The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to the patient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but also with the habits and constitution of the sick man. " - Cicero " He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines. " - Benjamin Franklin " Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world than even we generals. " - Napoleon I " The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find. " - Denis Diderot " Time is generally the best doctor. " - Ovid " The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends to impending sickness; The inferior doctor treats actual sickness. " - Chinese Proverb " There are more old drunkards than old physicians. " - François Rabelais " I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die of old age. " - Voltaire " Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictory mistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of them to our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientific truth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time. " - Marcel Proust. 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Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Tony- Talking about brainwashing, my brother inlaw has prostate cancer and ask me to give him some info,so i print everything from your site, cancer protocol, oleander soup plus and give it to him hoping something will sink in, but i was wrong, he has change nothing in his life eating habits or other wise, and now he is going for the knife and chemo, it breaks my heart, but its nothing i can do, he is scared and i uderstaind that, but he's going for chemo because the doctor said if he dosent the cancer will spread and then it will be to late. talking about brainwash? excactly. hugs Mary - Tony oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 3:24 AM THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. Icould really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator'smessage, but it just is not worth it.CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with agrain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the goodadvice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challengeany of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results fromthe horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about sideeffects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here:/hepatitis.htmPeople like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancergroups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those whohad been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give upand should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They hadrather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life!What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhasheddaily and inundated with "Just Ask Your Doctor" propaganda is this:Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take careof illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a veryprofit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cureanything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make goodprofits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugsthat only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to moreconditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that isEXACTLY what we have now.I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr!TonyMaybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known thanthat illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject:"Nature is the physician of man."-Hippocrates, "the father of medicine"-The Nature of Man"Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy thereason for its existence."- James Bryce"I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk tothe bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and allthe worse for the fishes."- Oliver Wendell Holmes"God heals and the doctor takes the fee."- Benjamin Franklin"The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholarfoots it by their side."- Robert Burton-Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15)"Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor fora nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God nevermade his work for man to mend."- John Dryden-Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92)"Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook hishead, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his feeto-morrow."- John Gay-The Sick Man and the Angel"Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as amajor operation by a surgeon."- Dag Hammarskjold-News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956"You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write abill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, thedose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though yourecover, he must break."- Matthew Prior-Alma (canto III, l. 97)"But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd thepolitician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of myphysician."- Matthew Prior- The Remedy Worse than the Disease"Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soeverthey have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, theearth covereth."- Francis Quarles- Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man"Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, tocure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom theyknow nothing."- Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire]"Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases."- Moliere (1622-1672)"The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest hispatients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause andprevention of disease."- Thomas Edison"Having good health is very different than only being not sick."- Seneca the Younger, 50AD"In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties."- Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881"Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied torelieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part ofNature."- Elbert Hubbard"Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patientwith food."Hippocrates, 420BC"One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses notto take medicine."- William Osler"A merry heart does good like medicine."- Proverbs 17:22"Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makesthem sinful."- Martin Luther (1483-1546)"Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However,lucky for you, I happen to be a quack."- Richter cartoon caption"I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanityin the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind."- Mahatma Gandhi"The life so short, the craft so long to learn."- Hippocrates"How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases."--Victor Schlichter, attributed by his sonDr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina "The miserable have no other medicine but only hope."- William Shakespeare Measure for Measure"Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolongedpain, disease, discomfort and wealth."- Robert Orben"Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistookmagic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, menmistake medicine for magic."- Thomas Szasz, M.D."The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while naturecures the disease."- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)"[Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results ofwhich, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind."- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821)"For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten inhealthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousandtimes more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill."- Marcel Proust"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of whathappens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished humanbodies."- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine(http://www.orthomed.org)"A potent quack, long versed in human ills,Who first insults the victim whom he kills;Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect,And whose most tender mercy is neglect."- George Crabbe"Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live."- Henry David Thoreau"I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine havea tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. Adoctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend youto a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success."- Ernest Hemingway"Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining whatthere are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, aspossible."- Florence Nightingale"Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is aphysician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest,but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed thata physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a makerof money, have we not? - Plato"It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called inwhen the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais"One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis."- Karl Kraus"Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face.They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them.When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come togetherwithout laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's professionis a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other'sfailure."- Henry David Thoreau"The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higherhis reputation soars even amongst powerful princes."- Desiderius Erasmus"The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can onlyadvise his clients to plant vines."- Frank Lloyd Wright"To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinkingthat drugs will make you healthy."- Andrew Saul, PhD"The only safe vaccine is one that is never used." Dr. James R.Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health"There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there areoutside its ranks." Dr. J. P. Baldwin"Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they arenot charlatans." Dr. Magendie (The great French physician)"We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people tillthey believe it." Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark)"...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter,had been grossly misled." Dr Archie Kalokerinos"Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are allsubversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vitalfunctions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all producedisease." Dr. R.T. Thrall"Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' andoriginator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind.He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within thebody..." Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair"Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can onlydirect the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone cancreate, and healing is re-creation." Dr. William S. Sadler"Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, andmedical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense."Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh)"I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people." DrMark Donohoe"Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud."Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling"You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound toperish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche"He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his ownmedicine." PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University"An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of suchan enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia.No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book withoutbeing appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh oftrash." PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association,June, 1920"The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the worldwith incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankeringminerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poisonbags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogsextracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust downthe throat of gullible human beings." Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S."We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form ofanti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunisedperson contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, itis pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it?Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed tobe immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE AREQUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the presentprestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, itsscientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, itswell heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professingto do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence."Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc."Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is alsohis medicine."- Henry David Thoreau"If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic."- William Shakespeare"Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors."- Gabriel García Márquez"Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the casesmedicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience tospiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine ofthe spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness."- Harriot K. Hunt"No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by anyother means."- Moses Maimonides (1135-1204)"The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician.Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind."- Paracelsus"Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results ofwhich taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind.Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia."- Napoleon Bonaparte"Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctorsknow nothing."- Benvenuto Cellini"The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to thepatient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but alsowith the habits and constitution of the sick man." - Cicero"He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines."- Benjamin Franklin"Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world thaneven we generals."- Napoleon I"The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find."- Denis Diderot"Time is generally the best doctor."- Ovid"The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends toimpending sickness; The inferior doctor treats actual sickness."- Chinese Proverb"There are more old drunkards than old physicians."- François Rabelais"I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die ofold age."- Voltaire "Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictorymistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of themto our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientifictruth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time."- Marcel Proust. 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Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Tony, ""Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However,lucky for you, I happen to be a quack."- Richter cartoon caption AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Now THAT'S funny!!! Bob - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:18 PM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Tony- Talking about brainwashing, my brother inlaw has prostate cancer and ask me to give him some info,so i print everything from your site, cancer protocol, oleander soup plus and give it to him hoping something will sink in, but i was wrong, he has change nothing in his life eating habits or other wise, and now he is going for the knife and chemo, it breaks my heart, but its nothing i can do, he is scared and i uderstaind that, but he's going for chemo because the doctor said if he dosent the cancer will spread and then it will be to late. talking about brainwash? excactly. hugs Mary - Tony oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 3:24 AM THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. Icould really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator'smessage, but it just is not worth it.CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with agrain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the goodadvice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challengeany of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results fromthe horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about sideeffects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here:/hepatitis.htmPeople like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancergroups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those whohad been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give upand should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They hadrather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life!What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhasheddaily and inundated with "Just Ask Your Doctor" propaganda is this:Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take careof illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a veryprofit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cureanything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make goodprofits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugsthat only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to moreconditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that isEXACTLY what we have now.I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr!TonyMaybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known thanthat illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject:"Nature is the physician of man."-Hippocrates, "the father of medicine"-The Nature of Man"Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy thereason for its existence."- James Bryce"I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk tothe bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and allthe worse for the fishes."- Oliver Wendell Holmes"God heals and the doctor takes the fee."- Benjamin Franklin"The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholarfoots it by their side."- Robert Burton-Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15)"Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor fora nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God nevermade his work for man to mend."- John Dryden-Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92)"Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook hishead, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his feeto-morrow."- John Gay-The Sick Man and the Angel"Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as amajor operation by a surgeon."- Dag Hammarskjold-News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956"You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write abill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, thedose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though yourecover, he must break."- Matthew Prior-Alma (canto III, l. 97)"But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd thepolitician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of myphysician."- Matthew Prior- The Remedy Worse than the Disease"Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soeverthey have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, theearth covereth."- Francis Quarles- Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man"Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, tocure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom theyknow nothing."- Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire]"Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases."- Moliere (1622-1672)"The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest hispatients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause andprevention of disease."- Thomas Edison"Having good health is very different than only being not sick."- Seneca the Younger, 50AD"In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties."- Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881"Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied torelieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part ofNature."- Elbert Hubbard"Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patientwith food."Hippocrates, 420BC"One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses notto take medicine."- William Osler"A merry heart does good like medicine."- Proverbs 17:22"Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makesthem sinful."- Martin Luther (1483-1546)"Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However,lucky for you, I happen to be a quack."- Richter cartoon caption"I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanityin the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind."- Mahatma Gandhi"The life so short, the craft so long to learn."- Hippocrates"How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases."--Victor Schlichter, attributed by his sonDr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina "The miserable have no other medicine but only hope."- William Shakespeare Measure for Measure"Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolongedpain, disease, discomfort and wealth."- Robert Orben"Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistookmagic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, menmistake medicine for magic."- Thomas Szasz, M.D."The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while naturecures the disease."- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)"[Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results ofwhich, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind."- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821)"For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten inhealthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousandtimes more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill."- Marcel Proust"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of whathappens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished humanbodies."- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine(http://www.orthomed.org)"A potent quack, long versed in human ills,Who first insults the victim whom he kills;Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect,And whose most tender mercy is neglect."- George Crabbe"Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live."- Henry David Thoreau"I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine havea tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. Adoctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend youto a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success."- Ernest Hemingway"Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining whatthere are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, aspossible."- Florence Nightingale"Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is aphysician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest,but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed thata physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a makerof money, have we not? - Plato"It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called inwhen the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais"One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis."- Karl Kraus"Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face.They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them.When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come togetherwithout laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's professionis a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other'sfailure."- Henry David Thoreau"The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higherhis reputation soars even amongst powerful princes."- Desiderius Erasmus"The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can onlyadvise his clients to plant vines."- Frank Lloyd Wright"To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinkingthat drugs will make you healthy."- Andrew Saul, PhD"The only safe vaccine is one that is never used." Dr. James R.Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health"There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there areoutside its ranks." Dr. J. P. Baldwin"Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they arenot charlatans." Dr. Magendie (The great French physician)"We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people tillthey believe it." Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark)"...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter,had been grossly misled." Dr Archie Kalokerinos"Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are allsubversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vitalfunctions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all producedisease." Dr. R.T. Thrall"Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' andoriginator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind.He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within thebody..." Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair"Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can onlydirect the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone cancreate, and healing is re-creation." Dr. William S. Sadler"Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, andmedical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense."Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh)"I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people." DrMark Donohoe"Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud."Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling"You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound toperish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche"He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his ownmedicine." PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University"An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of suchan enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia.No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book withoutbeing appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh oftrash." PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association,June, 1920"The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the worldwith incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankeringminerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poisonbags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogsextracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust downthe throat of gullible human beings." Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S."We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form ofanti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunisedperson contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, itis pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it?Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed tobe immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE AREQUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the presentprestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, itsscientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, itswell heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professingto do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence."Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc."Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is alsohis medicine."- Henry David Thoreau"If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic."- William Shakespeare"Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors."- Gabriel García Márquez"Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the casesmedicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience tospiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine ofthe spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness."- Harriot K. Hunt"No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by anyother means."- Moses Maimonides (1135-1204)"The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician.Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind."- Paracelsus"Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results ofwhich taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind.Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia."- Napoleon Bonaparte"Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctorsknow nothing."- Benvenuto Cellini"The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to thepatient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but alsowith the habits and constitution of the sick man." - Cicero"He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines."- Benjamin Franklin"Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world thaneven we generals."- Napoleon I"The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find."- Denis Diderot"Time is generally the best doctor."- Ovid"The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends toimpending sickness; The inferior doctor treats actual sickness."- Chinese Proverb"There are more old drunkards than old physicians."- François Rabelais"I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die ofold age."- Voltaire "Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictorymistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of themto our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientifictruth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time."- Marcel Proust. 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Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Maria, You have done all you can with him. Unfortunately eyeryone makes their own choices. I have been searching for years and never want to take any medicing again but with the FDA smokescreen I do not know what websites to trust . That is why I keep asking websites like Yours, Tonys and Davids. Bill - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup 2008-06-01 15:18 Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Tony- Talking about brainwashing, my brother inlaw has prostate cancer and ask me to give him some info,so i print everything from your site, cancer protocol, oleander soup plus and give it to him hoping something will sink in, but i was wrong, he has change nothing in his life eating habits or other wise, and now he is going for the knife and chemo, it breaks my heart, but its nothing i can do, he is scared and i uderstaind that, but he's going for chemo because the doctor said if he dosent the cancer will spread and then it will be to late. talking about brainwash? excactly. hugs Mary - Tony oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 3:24 AM THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. Icould really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator'smessage, but it just is not worth it.CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with agrain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the goodadvice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challengeany of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results fromthe horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about sideeffects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here:/hepatitis.htmPeople like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancergroups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those whohad been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give upand should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They hadrather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life!What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhasheddaily and inundated with "Just Ask Your Doctor" propaganda is this:Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take careof illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a veryprofit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cureanything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make goodprofits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugsthat only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to moreconditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that isEXACTLY what we have now.I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr!TonyMaybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known thanthat illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject:"Nature is the physician of man."-Hippocrates, "the father of medicine"-The Nature of Man"Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy thereason for its existence."- James Bryce"I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk tothe bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and allthe worse for the fishes."- Oliver Wendell Holmes"God heals and the doctor takes the fee."- Benjamin Franklin"The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholarfoots it by their side."- Robert Burton-Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15)"Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor fora nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God nevermade his work for man to mend."- John Dryden-Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92)"Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook hishead, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his feeto-morrow."- John Gay-The Sick Man and the Angel"Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as amajor operation by a surgeon."- Dag Hammarskjold-News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956"You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write abill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, thedose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though yourecover, he must break."- Matthew Prior-Alma (canto III, l. 97)"But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd thepolitician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of myphysician."- Matthew Prior- The Remedy Worse than the Disease"Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soeverthey have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, theearth covereth."- Francis Quarles- Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man"Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, tocure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom theyknow nothing."- Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire]"Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases."- Moliere (1622-1672)"The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest hispatients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause andprevention of disease."- Thomas Edison"Having good health is very different than only being not sick."- Seneca the Younger, 50AD"In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties."- Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881"Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied torelieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part ofNature."- Elbert Hubbard"Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patientwith food."Hippocrates, 420BC"One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses notto take medicine."- William Osler"A merry heart does good like medicine."- Proverbs 17:22"Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makesthem sinful."- Martin Luther (1483-1546)"Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However,lucky for you, I happen to be a quack."- Richter cartoon caption"I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanityin the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind."- Mahatma Gandhi"The life so short, the craft so long to learn."- Hippocrates"How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases."--Victor Schlichter, attributed by his sonDr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina "The miserable have no other medicine but only hope."- William Shakespeare Measure for Measure"Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolongedpain, disease, discomfort and wealth."- Robert Orben"Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistookmagic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, menmistake medicine for magic."- Thomas Szasz, M.D."The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while naturecures the disease."- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)"[Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results ofwhich, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind."- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821)"For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten inhealthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousandtimes more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill."- Marcel Proust"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of whathappens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished humanbodies."- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine(http://www.orthomed.org)"A potent quack, long versed in human ills,Who first insults the victim whom he kills;Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect,And whose most tender mercy is neglect."- George Crabbe"Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live."- Henry David Thoreau"I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine havea tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. Adoctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend youto a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success."- Ernest Hemingway"Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining whatthere are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, aspossible."- Florence Nightingale"Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is aphysician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest,but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed thata physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a makerof money, have we not? - Plato"It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called inwhen the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais"One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis."- Karl Kraus"Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face.They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them.When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come togetherwithout laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's professionis a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other'sfailure."- Henry David Thoreau"The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higherhis reputation soars even amongst powerful princes."- Desiderius Erasmus"The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can onlyadvise his clients to plant vines."- Frank Lloyd Wright"To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinkingthat drugs will make you healthy."- Andrew Saul, PhD"The only safe vaccine is one that is never used." Dr. James R.Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health"There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there areoutside its ranks." Dr. J. P. Baldwin"Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they arenot charlatans." Dr. Magendie (The great French physician)"We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people tillthey believe it." Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark)"...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter,had been grossly misled." Dr Archie Kalokerinos"Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are allsubversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vitalfunctions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all producedisease." Dr. R.T. Thrall"Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' andoriginator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind.He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within thebody..." Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair"Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can onlydirect the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone cancreate, and healing is re-creation." Dr. William S. Sadler"Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, andmedical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense."Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh)"I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people." DrMark Donohoe"Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud."Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling"You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound toperish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche"He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his ownmedicine." PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University"An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of suchan enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia.No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book withoutbeing appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh oftrash." PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association,June, 1920"The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the worldwith incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankeringminerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poisonbags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogsextracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust downthe throat of gullible human beings." Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S."We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form ofanti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunisedperson contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, itis pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it?Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed tobe immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE AREQUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the presentprestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, itsscientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, itswell heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professingto do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence."Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc."Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is alsohis medicine."- Henry David Thoreau"If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic."- William Shakespeare"Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors."- Gabriel García Márquez"Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the casesmedicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience tospiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine ofthe spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness."- Harriot K. Hunt"No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by anyother means."- Moses Maimonides (1135-1204)"The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician.Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind."- Paracelsus"Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results ofwhich taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind.Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia."- Napoleon Bonaparte"Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctorsknow nothing."- Benvenuto Cellini"The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to thepatient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but alsowith the habits and constitution of the sick man." - Cicero"He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines."- Benjamin Franklin"Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world thaneven we generals."- Napoleon I"The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find."- Denis Diderot"Time is generally the best doctor."- Ovid"The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends toimpending sickness; The inferior doctor treats actual sickness."- Chinese Proverb"There are more old drunkards than old physicians."- François Rabelais"I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die ofold age."- Voltaire "Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictorymistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of themto our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientifictruth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time."- Marcel Proust. 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Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Maria, Kudos to you for trying, hopefully he knows what a great sis he has. "You Can Lead A Horse To Water" you know the rest. Tammatha - Bill oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 1:15 PM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Maria, You have done all you can with him. Unfortunately eyeryone makes their own choices. I have been searching for years and never want to take any medicing again but with the FDA smokescreen I do not know what websites to trust . That is why I keep asking websites like Yours, Tonys and Davids. Bill - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup 2008-06-01 15:18 Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Tony- Talking about brainwashing, my brother inlaw has prostate cancer and ask me to give him some info,so i print everything from your site, cancer protocol, oleander soup plus and give it to him hoping something will sink in, but i was wrong, he has change nothing in his life eating habits or other wise, and now he is going for the knife and chemo, it breaks my heart, but its nothing i can do, he is scared and i uderstaind that, but he's going for chemo because the doctor said if he dosent the cancer will spread and then it will be to late. talking about brainwash? excactly. hugs Mary - Tony oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 3:24 AM THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. Icould really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator'smessage, but it just is not worth it.CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with agrain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the goodadvice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challengeany of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results fromthe horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about sideeffects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here:/hepatitis.htmPeople like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancergroups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those whohad been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give upand should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They hadrather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life!What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhasheddaily and inundated with "Just Ask Your Doctor" propaganda is this:Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take careof illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a veryprofit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cureanything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make goodprofits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugsthat only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to moreconditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that isEXACTLY what we have now.I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr!TonyMaybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known thanthat illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject:"Nature is the physician of man."-Hippocrates, "the father of medicine"-The Nature of Man"Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy thereason for its existence."- James Bryce"I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk tothe bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and allthe worse for the fishes."- Oliver Wendell Holmes"God heals and the doctor takes the fee."- Benjamin Franklin"The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholarfoots it by their side."- Robert Burton-Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15)"Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor fora nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God nevermade his work for man to mend."- John Dryden-Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92)"Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook hishead, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his feeto-morrow."- John Gay-The Sick Man and the Angel"Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as amajor operation by a surgeon."- Dag Hammarskjold-News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956"You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write abill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, thedose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though yourecover, he must break."- Matthew Prior-Alma (canto III, l. 97)"But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd thepolitician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of myphysician."- Matthew Prior- The Remedy Worse than the Disease"Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soeverthey have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, theearth covereth."- Francis Quarles- Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man"Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, tocure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom theyknow nothing."- Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire]"Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases."- Moliere (1622-1672)"The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest hispatients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause andprevention of disease."- Thomas Edison"Having good health is very different than only being not sick."- Seneca the Younger, 50AD"In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties."- Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881"Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied torelieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part ofNature."- Elbert Hubbard"Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patientwith food."Hippocrates, 420BC"One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses notto take medicine."- William Osler"A merry heart does good like medicine."- Proverbs 17:22"Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makesthem sinful."- Martin Luther (1483-1546)"Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However,lucky for you, I happen to be a quack."- Richter cartoon caption"I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanityin the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind."- Mahatma Gandhi"The life so short, the craft so long to learn."- Hippocrates"How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases."--Victor Schlichter, attributed by his sonDr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina "The miserable have no other medicine but only hope."- William Shakespeare Measure for Measure"Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolongedpain, disease, discomfort and wealth."- Robert Orben"Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistookmagic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, menmistake medicine for magic."- Thomas Szasz, M.D."The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while naturecures the disease."- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)"[Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results ofwhich, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind."- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821)"For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten inhealthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousandtimes more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill."- Marcel Proust"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of whathappens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished humanbodies."- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine(http://www.orthomed.org)"A potent quack, long versed in human ills,Who first insults the victim whom he kills;Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect,And whose most tender mercy is neglect."- George Crabbe"Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live."- Henry David Thoreau"I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine havea tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. Adoctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend youto a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success."- Ernest Hemingway"Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining whatthere are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, aspossible."- Florence Nightingale"Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is aphysician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest,but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed thata physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a makerof money, have we not? - Plato"It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called inwhen the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais"One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis."- Karl Kraus"Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face.They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them.When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come togetherwithout laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's professionis a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other'sfailure."- Henry David Thoreau"The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higherhis reputation soars even amongst powerful princes."- Desiderius Erasmus"The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can onlyadvise his clients to plant vines."- Frank Lloyd Wright"To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinkingthat drugs will make you healthy."- Andrew Saul, PhD"The only safe vaccine is one that is never used." Dr. James R.Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health"There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there areoutside its ranks." Dr. J. P. Baldwin"Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they arenot charlatans." Dr. Magendie (The great French physician)"We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people tillthey believe it." Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark)"...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter,had been grossly misled." Dr Archie Kalokerinos"Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are allsubversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vitalfunctions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all producedisease." Dr. R.T. Thrall"Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' andoriginator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind.He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within thebody..." Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair"Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can onlydirect the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone cancreate, and healing is re-creation." Dr. William S. Sadler"Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, andmedical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense."Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh)"I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people." DrMark Donohoe"Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud."Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling"You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound toperish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche"He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his ownmedicine." PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University"An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of suchan enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia.No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book withoutbeing appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh oftrash." PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association,June, 1920"The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the worldwith incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankeringminerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poisonbags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogsextracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust downthe throat of gullible human beings." Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S."We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form ofanti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunisedperson contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, itis pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it?Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed tobe immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE AREQUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the presentprestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, itsscientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, itswell heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professingto do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence."Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc."Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is alsohis medicine."- Henry David Thoreau"If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic."- William Shakespeare"Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors."- Gabriel García Márquez"Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the casesmedicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience tospiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine ofthe spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness."- Harriot K. Hunt"No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by anyother means."- Moses Maimonides (1135-1204)"The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician.Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind."- Paracelsus"Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results ofwhich taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind.Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia."- Napoleon Bonaparte"Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctorsknow nothing."- Benvenuto Cellini"The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to thepatient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but alsowith the habits and constitution of the sick man." - Cicero"He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines."- Benjamin Franklin"Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world thaneven we generals."- Napoleon I"The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find."- Denis Diderot"Time is generally the best doctor."- Ovid"The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends toimpending sickness; The inferior doctor treats actual sickness."- Chinese Proverb"There are more old drunkards than old physicians."- François Rabelais"I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die ofold age."- Voltaire "Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictorymistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of themto our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientifictruth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time."- Marcel Proust. 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Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Thanks for your input Bill. And no i havend done every thing for my brother inlaw, i should tight him down and remind him that my husband, his brother died in the dirty little hands of the doctors, on the other hand, fear is biger then pain, love or memories. Keep well and dont give in, dont give up. hugs Mary - Bill oleander soup Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:15 AM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Maria, You have done all you can with him. Unfortunately eyeryone makes their own choices. I have been searching for years and never want to take any medicing again but with the FDA smokescreen I do not know what websites to trust . That is why I keep asking websites like Yours, Tonys and Davids. Bill - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup 2008-06-01 15:18 Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Tony- Talking about brainwashing, my brother inlaw has prostate cancer and ask me to give him some info,so i print everything from your site, cancer protocol, oleander soup plus and give it to him hoping something will sink in, but i was wrong, he has change nothing in his life eating habits or other wise, and now he is going for the knife and chemo, it breaks my heart, but its nothing i can do, he is scared and i uderstaind that, but he's going for chemo because the doctor said if he dosent the cancer will spread and then it will be to late. talking about brainwash? excactly. hugs Mary - Tony oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 3:24 AM THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. Icould really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator'smessage, but it just is not worth it.CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with agrain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the goodadvice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challengeany of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results fromthe horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about sideeffects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here:/hepatitis.htmPeople like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancergroups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those whohad been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give upand should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They hadrather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life!What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhasheddaily and inundated with "Just Ask Your Doctor" propaganda is this:Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take careof illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a veryprofit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cureanything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make goodprofits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugsthat only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to moreconditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that isEXACTLY what we have now.I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr!TonyMaybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known thanthat illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject:"Nature is the physician of man."-Hippocrates, "the father of medicine"-The Nature of Man"Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy thereason for its existence."- James Bryce"I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk tothe bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and allthe worse for the fishes."- Oliver Wendell Holmes"God heals and the doctor takes the fee."- Benjamin Franklin"The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholarfoots it by their side."- Robert Burton-Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15)"Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor fora nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God nevermade his work for man to mend."- John Dryden-Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92)"Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook hishead, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his feeto-morrow."- John Gay-The Sick Man and the Angel"Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as amajor operation by a surgeon."- Dag Hammarskjold-News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956"You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write abill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, thedose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though yourecover, he must break."- Matthew Prior-Alma (canto III, l. 97)"But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd thepolitician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of myphysician."- Matthew Prior- The Remedy Worse than the Disease"Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soeverthey have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, theearth covereth."- Francis Quarles- Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man"Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, tocure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom theyknow nothing."- Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire]"Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases."- Moliere (1622-1672)"The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest hispatients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause andprevention of disease."- Thomas Edison"Having good health is very different than only being not sick."- Seneca the Younger, 50AD"In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties."- Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881"Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied torelieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part ofNature."- Elbert Hubbard"Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patientwith food."Hippocrates, 420BC"One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses notto take medicine."- William Osler"A merry heart does good like medicine."- Proverbs 17:22"Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makesthem sinful."- Martin Luther (1483-1546)"Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However,lucky for you, I happen to be a quack."- Richter cartoon caption"I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanityin the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind."- Mahatma Gandhi"The life so short, the craft so long to learn."- Hippocrates"How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases."--Victor Schlichter, attributed by his sonDr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina "The miserable have no other medicine but only hope."- William Shakespeare Measure for Measure"Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolongedpain, disease, discomfort and wealth."- Robert Orben"Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistookmagic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, menmistake medicine for magic."- Thomas Szasz, M.D."The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while naturecures the disease."- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)"[Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results ofwhich, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind."- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821)"For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten inhealthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousandtimes more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill."- Marcel Proust"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of whathappens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished humanbodies."- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine(http://www.orthomed.org)"A potent quack, long versed in human ills,Who first insults the victim whom he kills;Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect,And whose most tender mercy is neglect."- George Crabbe"Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live."- Henry David Thoreau"I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine havea tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. Adoctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend youto a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success."- Ernest Hemingway"Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining whatthere are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, aspossible."- Florence Nightingale"Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is aphysician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest,but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed thata physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a makerof money, have we not? - Plato"It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called inwhen the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais"One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis."- Karl Kraus"Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face.They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them.When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come togetherwithout laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's professionis a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other'sfailure."- Henry David Thoreau"The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higherhis reputation soars even amongst powerful princes."- Desiderius Erasmus"The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can onlyadvise his clients to plant vines."- Frank Lloyd Wright"To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinkingthat drugs will make you healthy."- Andrew Saul, PhD"The only safe vaccine is one that is never used." Dr. James R.Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health"There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there areoutside its ranks." Dr. J. P. Baldwin"Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they arenot charlatans." Dr. Magendie (The great French physician)"We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people tillthey believe it." Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark)"...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter,had been grossly misled." Dr Archie Kalokerinos"Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are allsubversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vitalfunctions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all producedisease." Dr. R.T. Thrall"Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' andoriginator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind.He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within thebody..." Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair"Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can onlydirect the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone cancreate, and healing is re-creation." Dr. William S. Sadler"Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, andmedical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense."Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh)"I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people." DrMark Donohoe"Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud."Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling"You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound toperish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche"He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his ownmedicine." PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University"An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of suchan enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia.No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book withoutbeing appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh oftrash." PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association,June, 1920"The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the worldwith incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankeringminerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poisonbags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogsextracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust downthe throat of gullible human beings." Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S."We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form ofanti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunisedperson contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, itis pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it?Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed tobe immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE AREQUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the presentprestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, itsscientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, itswell heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professingto do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence."Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc."Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is alsohis medicine."- Henry David Thoreau"If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic."- William Shakespeare"Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors."- Gabriel García Márquez"Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the casesmedicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience tospiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine ofthe spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness."- Harriot K. Hunt"No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by anyother means."- Moses Maimonides (1135-1204)"The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician.Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind."- Paracelsus"Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results ofwhich taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind.Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia."- Napoleon Bonaparte"Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctorsknow nothing."- Benvenuto Cellini"The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to thepatient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but alsowith the habits and constitution of the sick man." - Cicero"He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines."- Benjamin Franklin"Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world thaneven we generals."- Napoleon I"The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find."- Denis Diderot"Time is generally the best doctor."- Ovid"The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends toimpending sickness; The inferior doctor treats actual sickness."- Chinese Proverb"There are more old drunkards than old physicians."- François Rabelais"I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die ofold age."- Voltaire "Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictorymistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of themto our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientifictruth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time."- Marcel Proust. 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Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Tammatha, knowing the horse is thirsty you dont take it back to the barn, you try and try and try until it drinks, or you take the water to the barn, das that sound crazy or what? thas how i feel. Thanks for your input though, i feel that i have friends in the group and it helps. hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:10 AM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Maria, Kudos to you for trying, hopefully he knows what a great sis he has. "You Can Lead A Horse To Water" you know the rest. Tammatha - Bill oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 1:15 PM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Maria, You have done all you can with him. Unfortunately eyeryone makes their own choices. I have been searching for years and never want to take any medicing again but with the FDA smokescreen I do not know what websites to trust . That is why I keep asking websites like Yours, Tonys and Davids. Bill - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup 2008-06-01 15:18 Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Tony- Talking about brainwashing, my brother inlaw has prostate cancer and ask me to give him some info,so i print everything from your site, cancer protocol, oleander soup plus and give it to him hoping something will sink in, but i was wrong, he has change nothing in his life eating habits or other wise, and now he is going for the knife and chemo, it breaks my heart, but its nothing i can do, he is scared and i uderstaind that, but he's going for chemo because the doctor said if he dosent the cancer will spread and then it will be to late. talking about brainwash? excactly. hugs Mary - Tony oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 3:24 AM THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. Icould really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator'smessage, but it just is not worth it.CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with agrain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the goodadvice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challengeany of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results fromthe horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about sideeffects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here:/hepatitis.htmPeople like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancergroups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those whohad been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give upand should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They hadrather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life!What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhasheddaily and inundated with "Just Ask Your Doctor" propaganda is this:Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take careof illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a veryprofit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cureanything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make goodprofits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugsthat only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to moreconditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that isEXACTLY what we have now.I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr!TonyMaybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known thanthat illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject:"Nature is the physician of man."-Hippocrates, "the father of medicine"-The Nature of Man"Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy thereason for its existence."- James Bryce"I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk tothe bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and allthe worse for the fishes."- Oliver Wendell Holmes"God heals and the doctor takes the fee."- Benjamin Franklin"The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholarfoots it by their side."- Robert Burton-Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15)"Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor fora nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God nevermade his work for man to mend."- John Dryden-Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92)"Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook hishead, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his feeto-morrow."- John Gay-The Sick Man and the Angel"Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as amajor operation by a surgeon."- Dag Hammarskjold-News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956"You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write abill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, thedose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though yourecover, he must break."- Matthew Prior-Alma (canto III, l. 97)"But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd thepolitician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of myphysician."- Matthew Prior- The Remedy Worse than the Disease"Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soeverthey have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, theearth covereth."- Francis Quarles- Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man"Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, tocure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom theyknow nothing."- Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire]"Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases."- Moliere (1622-1672)"The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest hispatients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause andprevention of disease."- Thomas Edison"Having good health is very different than only being not sick."- Seneca the Younger, 50AD"In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties."- Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881"Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied torelieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part ofNature."- Elbert Hubbard"Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patientwith food."Hippocrates, 420BC"One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses notto take medicine."- William Osler"A merry heart does good like medicine."- Proverbs 17:22"Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makesthem sinful."- Martin Luther (1483-1546)"Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However,lucky for you, I happen to be a quack."- Richter cartoon caption"I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanityin the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind."- Mahatma Gandhi"The life so short, the craft so long to learn."- Hippocrates"How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases."--Victor Schlichter, attributed by his sonDr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina "The miserable have no other medicine but only hope."- William Shakespeare Measure for Measure"Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolongedpain, disease, discomfort and wealth."- Robert Orben"Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistookmagic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, menmistake medicine for magic."- Thomas Szasz, M.D."The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while naturecures the disease."- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)"[Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results ofwhich, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind."- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821)"For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten inhealthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousandtimes more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill."- Marcel Proust"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of whathappens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished humanbodies."- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine(http://www.orthomed.org)"A potent quack, long versed in human ills,Who first insults the victim whom he kills;Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect,And whose most tender mercy is neglect."- George Crabbe"Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live."- Henry David Thoreau"I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine havea tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. Adoctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend youto a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success."- Ernest Hemingway"Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining whatthere are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, aspossible."- Florence Nightingale"Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is aphysician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest,but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed thata physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a makerof money, have we not? - Plato"It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called inwhen the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais"One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis."- Karl Kraus"Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face.They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them.When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come togetherwithout laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's professionis a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other'sfailure."- Henry David Thoreau"The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higherhis reputation soars even amongst powerful princes."- Desiderius Erasmus"The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can onlyadvise his clients to plant vines."- Frank Lloyd Wright"To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinkingthat drugs will make you healthy."- Andrew Saul, PhD"The only safe vaccine is one that is never used." Dr. James R.Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health"There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there areoutside its ranks." Dr. J. P. Baldwin"Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they arenot charlatans." Dr. Magendie (The great French physician)"We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people tillthey believe it." Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark)"...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter,had been grossly misled." Dr Archie Kalokerinos"Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are allsubversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vitalfunctions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all producedisease." Dr. R.T. Thrall"Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' andoriginator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind.He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within thebody..." Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair"Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can onlydirect the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone cancreate, and healing is re-creation." Dr. William S. Sadler"Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, andmedical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense."Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh)"I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people." DrMark Donohoe"Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud."Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling"You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound toperish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche"He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his ownmedicine." PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University"An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of suchan enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia.No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book withoutbeing appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh oftrash." PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association,June, 1920"The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the worldwith incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankeringminerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poisonbags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogsextracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust downthe throat of gullible human beings." Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S."We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form ofanti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunisedperson contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, itis pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it?Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed tobe immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE AREQUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the presentprestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, itsscientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, itswell heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professingto do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence."Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc."Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is alsohis medicine."- Henry David Thoreau"If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic."- William Shakespeare"Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors."- Gabriel García Márquez"Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the casesmedicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience tospiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine ofthe spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness."- Harriot K. Hunt"No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by anyother means."- Moses Maimonides (1135-1204)"The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician.Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind."- Paracelsus"Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results ofwhich taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind.Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia."- Napoleon Bonaparte"Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctorsknow nothing."- Benvenuto Cellini"The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to thepatient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but alsowith the habits and constitution of the sick man." - Cicero"He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines."- Benjamin Franklin"Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world thaneven we generals."- Napoleon I"The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find."- Denis Diderot"Time is generally the best doctor."- Ovid"The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends toimpending sickness; The inferior doctor treats actual sickness."- Chinese Proverb"There are more old drunkards than old physicians."- François Rabelais"I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die ofold age."- Voltaire "Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictorymistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of themto our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientifictruth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time."- Marcel Proust. 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Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Good for you Mary I hope he drinks...he'd be a mighty smart boy! Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 4:04 PM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Tammatha, knowing the horse is thirsty you dont take it back to the barn, you try and try and try until it drinks, or you take the water to the barn, das that sound crazy or what? thas how i feel. Thanks for your input though, i feel that i have friends in the group and it helps. hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:10 AM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Maria, Kudos to you for trying, hopefully he knows what a great sis he has. "You Can Lead A Horse To Water" you know the rest. Tammatha - Bill oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 1:15 PM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Maria, You have done all you can with him. Unfortunately eyeryone makes their own choices. I have been searching for years and never want to take any medicing again but with the FDA smokescreen I do not know what websites to trust . That is why I keep asking websites like Yours, Tonys and Davids. Bill - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup 2008-06-01 15:18 Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Tony- Talking about brainwashing, my brother inlaw has prostate cancer and ask me to give him some info,so i print everything from your site, cancer protocol, oleander soup plus and give it to him hoping something will sink in, but i was wrong, he has change nothing in his life eating habits or other wise, and now he is going for the knife and chemo, it breaks my heart, but its nothing i can do, he is scared and i uderstaind that, but he's going for chemo because the doctor said if he dosent the cancer will spread and then it will be to late. talking about brainwash? excactly. hugs Mary - Tony oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 3:24 AM THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. Icould really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator'smessage, but it just is not worth it.CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with agrain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the goodadvice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challengeany of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results fromthe horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about sideeffects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here:/hepatitis.htmPeople like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancergroups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those whohad been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give upand should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They hadrather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life!What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhasheddaily and inundated with "Just Ask Your Doctor" propaganda is this:Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take careof illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a veryprofit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cureanything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make goodprofits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugsthat only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to moreconditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that isEXACTLY what we have now.I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr!TonyMaybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known thanthat illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject:"Nature is the physician of man."-Hippocrates, "the father of medicine"-The Nature of Man"Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy thereason for its existence."- James Bryce"I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk tothe bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and allthe worse for the fishes."- Oliver Wendell Holmes"God heals and the doctor takes the fee."- Benjamin Franklin"The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholarfoots it by their side."- Robert Burton-Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15)"Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor fora nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God nevermade his work for man to mend."- John Dryden-Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92)"Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook hishead, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his feeto-morrow."- John Gay-The Sick Man and the Angel"Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as amajor operation by a surgeon."- Dag Hammarskjold-News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956"You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write abill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, thedose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though yourecover, he must break."- Matthew Prior-Alma (canto III, l. 97)"But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd thepolitician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of myphysician."- Matthew Prior- The Remedy Worse than the Disease"Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soeverthey have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, theearth covereth."- Francis Quarles- Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man"Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, tocure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom theyknow nothing."- Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire]"Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases."- Moliere (1622-1672)"The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest hispatients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause andprevention of disease."- Thomas Edison"Having good health is very different than only being not sick."- Seneca the Younger, 50AD"In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties."- Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881"Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied torelieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part ofNature."- Elbert Hubbard"Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patientwith food."Hippocrates, 420BC"One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses notto take medicine."- William Osler"A merry heart does good like medicine."- Proverbs 17:22"Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makesthem sinful."- Martin Luther (1483-1546)"Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However,lucky for you, I happen to be a quack."- Richter cartoon caption"I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanityin the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind."- Mahatma Gandhi"The life so short, the craft so long to learn."- Hippocrates"How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases."--Victor Schlichter, attributed by his sonDr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina "The miserable have no other medicine but only hope."- William Shakespeare Measure for Measure"Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolongedpain, disease, discomfort and wealth."- Robert Orben"Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistookmagic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, menmistake medicine for magic."- Thomas Szasz, M.D."The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while naturecures the disease."- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)"[Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results ofwhich, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind."- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821)"For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten inhealthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousandtimes more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill."- Marcel Proust"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of whathappens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished humanbodies."- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine(http://www.orthomed.org)"A potent quack, long versed in human ills,Who first insults the victim whom he kills;Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect,And whose most tender mercy is neglect."- George Crabbe"Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live."- Henry David Thoreau"I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine havea tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. Adoctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend youto a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success."- Ernest Hemingway"Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining whatthere are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, aspossible."- Florence Nightingale"Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is aphysician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest,but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed thata physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a makerof money, have we not? - Plato"It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called inwhen the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais"One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis."- Karl Kraus"Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face.They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them.When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come togetherwithout laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's professionis a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other'sfailure."- Henry David Thoreau"The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higherhis reputation soars even amongst powerful princes."- Desiderius Erasmus"The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can onlyadvise his clients to plant vines."- Frank Lloyd Wright"To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinkingthat drugs will make you healthy."- Andrew Saul, PhD"The only safe vaccine is one that is never used." Dr. James R.Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health"There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there areoutside its ranks." Dr. J. P. Baldwin"Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they arenot charlatans." Dr. Magendie (The great French physician)"We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people tillthey believe it." Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark)"...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter,had been grossly misled." Dr Archie Kalokerinos"Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are allsubversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vitalfunctions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all producedisease." Dr. R.T. Thrall"Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' andoriginator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind.He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within thebody..." Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair"Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can onlydirect the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone cancreate, and healing is re-creation." Dr. William S. Sadler"Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, andmedical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense."Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh)"I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people." DrMark Donohoe"Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud."Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling"You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound toperish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche"He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his ownmedicine." PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University"An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of suchan enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia.No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book withoutbeing appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh oftrash." PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association,June, 1920"The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the worldwith incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankeringminerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poisonbags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogsextracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust downthe throat of gullible human beings." Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S."We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form ofanti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunisedperson contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, itis pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it?Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed tobe immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE AREQUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the presentprestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, itsscientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, itswell heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professingto do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence."Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc."Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is alsohis medicine."- Henry David Thoreau"If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic."- William Shakespeare"Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors."- Gabriel García Márquez"Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the casesmedicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience tospiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine ofthe spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness."- Harriot K. Hunt"No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by anyother means."- Moses Maimonides (1135-1204)"The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician.Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind."- Paracelsus"Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results ofwhich taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind.Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia."- Napoleon Bonaparte"Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctorsknow nothing."- Benvenuto Cellini"The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to thepatient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but alsowith the habits and constitution of the sick man." - Cicero"He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines."- Benjamin Franklin"Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world thaneven we generals."- Napoleon I"The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find."- Denis Diderot"Time is generally the best doctor."- Ovid"The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends toimpending sickness; The inferior doctor treats actual sickness."- Chinese Proverb"There are more old drunkards than old physicians."- François Rabelais"I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die ofold age."- Voltaire "Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictorymistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of themto our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientifictruth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time."- Marcel Proust. 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Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Me too sweetie, hugs - Tammatha oleander soup Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:23 AM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Good for you Mary I hope he drinks...he'd be a mighty smart boy! Tammatha - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 4:04 PM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Tammatha, knowing the horse is thirsty you dont take it back to the barn, you try and try and try until it drinks, or you take the water to the barn, das that sound crazy or what? thas how i feel. Thanks for your input though, i feel that i have friends in the group and it helps. hugs Mary - Tammatha oleander soup Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:10 AM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Maria, Kudos to you for trying, hopefully he knows what a great sis he has. "You Can Lead A Horse To Water" you know the rest. Tammatha - Bill oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 1:15 PM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Maria, You have done all you can with him. Unfortunately eyeryone makes their own choices. I have been searching for years and never want to take any medicing again but with the FDA smokescreen I do not know what websites to trust . That is why I keep asking websites like Yours, Tonys and Davids. Bill - Maria Stathopoulos oleander soup 2008-06-01 15:18 Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Tony- Talking about brainwashing, my brother inlaw has prostate cancer and ask me to give him some info,so i print everything from your site, cancer protocol, oleander soup plus and give it to him hoping something will sink in, but i was wrong, he has change nothing in his life eating habits or other wise, and now he is going for the knife and chemo, it breaks my heart, but its nothing i can do, he is scared and i uderstaind that, but he's going for chemo because the doctor said if he dosent the cancer will spread and then it will be to late. talking about brainwash? excactly. hugs Mary - Tony oleander soup Monday, June 02, 2008 3:24 AM THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. Icould really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator'smessage, but it just is not worth it.CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with agrain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the goodadvice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challengeany of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results fromthe horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about sideeffects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here:/hepatitis.htmPeople like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancergroups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those whohad been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give upand should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They hadrather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life!What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhasheddaily and inundated with "Just Ask Your Doctor" propaganda is this:Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take careof illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a veryprofit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cureanything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make goodprofits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugsthat only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to moreconditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that isEXACTLY what we have now.I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr!TonyMaybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known thanthat illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject:"Nature is the physician of man."-Hippocrates, "the father of medicine"-The Nature of Man"Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy thereason for its existence."- James Bryce"I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk tothe bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and allthe worse for the fishes."- Oliver Wendell Holmes"God heals and the doctor takes the fee."- Benjamin Franklin"The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholarfoots it by their side."- Robert Burton-Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15)"Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor fora nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God nevermade his work for man to mend."- John Dryden-Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92)"Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook hishead, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his feeto-morrow."- John Gay-The Sick Man and the Angel"Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as amajor operation by a surgeon."- Dag Hammarskjold-News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956"You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write abill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, thedose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though yourecover, he must break."- Matthew Prior-Alma (canto III, l. 97)"But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd thepolitician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of myphysician."- Matthew Prior- The Remedy Worse than the Disease"Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soeverthey have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, theearth covereth."- Francis Quarles- Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man"Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, tocure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom theyknow nothing."- Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire]"Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases."- Moliere (1622-1672)"The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest hispatients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause andprevention of disease."- Thomas Edison"Having good health is very different than only being not sick."- Seneca the Younger, 50AD"In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties."- Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881"Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied torelieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part ofNature."- Elbert Hubbard"Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patientwith food."Hippocrates, 420BC"One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses notto take medicine."- William Osler"A merry heart does good like medicine."- Proverbs 17:22"Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makesthem sinful."- Martin Luther (1483-1546)"Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However,lucky for you, I happen to be a quack."- Richter cartoon caption"I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanityin the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind."- Mahatma Gandhi"The life so short, the craft so long to learn."- Hippocrates"How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases."--Victor Schlichter, attributed by his sonDr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina "The miserable have no other medicine but only hope."- William Shakespeare Measure for Measure"Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolongedpain, disease, discomfort and wealth."- Robert Orben"Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistookmagic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, menmistake medicine for magic."- Thomas Szasz, M.D."The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while naturecures the disease."- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)"[Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results ofwhich, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind."- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821)"For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten inhealthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousandtimes more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill."- Marcel Proust"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of whathappens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished humanbodies."- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine(http://www.orthomed.org)"A potent quack, long versed in human ills,Who first insults the victim whom he kills;Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect,And whose most tender mercy is neglect."- George Crabbe"Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live."- Henry David Thoreau"I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine havea tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. Adoctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend youto a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success."- Ernest Hemingway"Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining whatthere are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, aspossible."- Florence Nightingale"Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is aphysician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest,but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed thata physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a makerof money, have we not? - Plato"It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called inwhen the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais"One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis."- Karl Kraus"Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face.They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them.When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come togetherwithout laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's professionis a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other'sfailure."- Henry David Thoreau"The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higherhis reputation soars even amongst powerful princes."- Desiderius Erasmus"The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can onlyadvise his clients to plant vines."- Frank Lloyd Wright"To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinkingthat drugs will make you healthy."- Andrew Saul, PhD"The only safe vaccine is one that is never used." Dr. James R.Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health"There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there areoutside its ranks." Dr. J. P. Baldwin"Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they arenot charlatans." Dr. Magendie (The great French physician)"We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people tillthey believe it." Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark)"...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter,had been grossly misled." Dr Archie Kalokerinos"Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are allsubversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vitalfunctions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all producedisease." Dr. R.T. Thrall"Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' andoriginator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind.He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within thebody..." Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair"Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can onlydirect the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone cancreate, and healing is re-creation." Dr. William S. Sadler"Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, andmedical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense."Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh)"I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people." DrMark Donohoe"Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud."Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling"You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound toperish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche"He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his ownmedicine." PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University"An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of suchan enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia.No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book withoutbeing appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh oftrash." PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association,June, 1920"The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the worldwith incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankeringminerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poisonbags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogsextracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust downthe throat of gullible human beings." Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S."We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form ofanti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunisedperson contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, itis pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it?Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed tobe immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE AREQUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the presentprestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, itsscientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, itswell heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professingto do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence."Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc."Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, thedietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXISCARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the RockefellerInstitute.)"A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is alsohis medicine."- Henry David Thoreau"If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic."- William Shakespeare"Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors."- Gabriel García Márquez"Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the casesmedicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience tospiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine ofthe spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness."- Harriot K. Hunt"No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by anyother means."- Moses Maimonides (1135-1204)"The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician.Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind."- Paracelsus"Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results ofwhich taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind.Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia."- Napoleon Bonaparte"Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctorsknow nothing."- Benvenuto Cellini"The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to thepatient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but alsowith the habits and constitution of the sick man." - Cicero"He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines."- Benjamin Franklin"Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world thaneven we generals."- Napoleon I"The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find."- Denis Diderot"Time is generally the best doctor."- Ovid"The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends toimpending sickness; The inferior doctor treats actual sickness."- Chinese Proverb"There are more old drunkards than old physicians."- François Rabelais"I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die ofold age."- Voltaire "Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictorymistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of themto our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientifictruth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time."- Marcel Proust. 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Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 About that Hep-C I do not want to mention the site because it has forums about cultivating illegal and medicinal mushrooms.... But something unexpected happened a few years ago while these guys with Hep were eating psilocybin cubensis. Some of the guys with Hepatitis (I believe C) became free of it unexpectedly. I would be curious to know if any new info has came about since then. If you want to know the site, mail me privately. Lots of good folks there which would be happy to share info. Also effective, for some reason very small doses eliminate cluster headaches for days to weeks at a time. I had a buddy that use to do this to control them, changed his life. Doses were so low doses they did not require the 'trip' Tony wrote: > Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. I > could really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator's > message, but it just is not worth it. > > CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with a > grain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the good > advice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challenge > any of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results from > the horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about side > effects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here: > > /hepatitis.htm > > People like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancer > groups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those who > had been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give up > and should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They had > rather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life! > > What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhashed > daily and inundated with " Just Ask Your Doctor " propaganda is this: > Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take care > of illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! > Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a very > profit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. > You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cure > anything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make good > profits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugs > that only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to more > conditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that is > EXACTLY what we have now. > > I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr! > > > > Maybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known than > that illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject: > > " Nature is the physician of man. " > -Hippocrates, " the father of medicine " > -The Nature of Man > > " Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy the > reason for its existence. " > - James Bryce > > " I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk to > the bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and all > the worse for the fishes. " > - Oliver Wendell Holmes > > " God heals and the doctor takes the fee. " > - Benjamin Franklin > > " The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholar > foots it by their side. " > - Robert Burton > -Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15) > > " Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor for > a nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God never > made his work for man to mend. " > - John Dryden > -Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92) > > " Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook his > head, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his fee > to-morrow. " > - John Gay > -The Sick Man and the Angel > > " Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as a > major operation by a surgeon. " > - Dag Hammarskjold > -News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956 > > " You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write a > bill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, the > dose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though you > recover, he must break. " > - Matthew Prior > -Alma (canto III, l. 97) > > " But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd the > politician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of my > physician. " > - Matthew Prior > - The Remedy Worse than the Disease > > " Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soever > they have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, the > earth covereth. " > - Francis Quarles > - Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man > > " Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to > cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they > know nothing. " > - Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire] > > " Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases. " > - Moliere (1622-1672) > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > prevention of disease. " > - Thomas Edison > > " Having good health is very different than only being not sick. " > - Seneca the Younger, 50AD > > " In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties. " > - Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881 > > " Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied to > relieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part of > Nature. " > - Elbert Hubbard > > " Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patient > with food. " > Hippocrates, 420BC > > " One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses not > to take medicine. " > - William Osler > > " A merry heart does good like medicine. " > - Proverbs 17:22 > > " Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makes > them sinful. " > - Martin Luther (1483-1546) > > " Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However, > lucky for you, I happen to be a quack. " > - Richter cartoon caption > > " I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanity > in the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind. " > - Mahatma Gandhi > > " The life so short, the craft so long to learn. " > - Hippocrates > > " How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases. " > --Victor Schlichter, attributed by his son > Dr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina > > " The miserable have no other medicine but only hope. " > - William Shakespeare Measure for Measure > > " Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolonged > pain, disease, discomfort and wealth. " > - Robert Orben > > " Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook > magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men > mistake medicine for magic. " > - Thomas Szasz, M.D. > > " The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature > cures the disease. " > - Voltaire (1694 - 1778) > > " [Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results of > which, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind. " > - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821) > > " For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten in > healthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousand > times more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill. " > - Marcel Proust > > " Modern medicine " may well be defined as " the experimental study of what > happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human > bodies. " > - A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine > (http://www.orthomed.org) > > " A potent quack, long versed in human ills, > Who first insults the victim whom he kills; > Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect, > And whose most tender mercy is neglect. " > - George Crabbe > > " Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live. " > - Henry David Thoreau > > " I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine have > a tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. A > doctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend you > to a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success. " > - Ernest Hemingway > > " Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining what > there are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, as > possible. " > - Florence Nightingale > > " Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is a > physician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest, > but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed that > a physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a maker > of money, have we not? - Plato > > " It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called in > when the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais > > " One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis. " > - Karl Kraus > > " Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face. > They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them. > When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come together > without laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's profession > is a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other's > failure. " > - Henry David Thoreau > > " The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higher > his reputation soars even amongst powerful princes. " > - Desiderius Erasmus > > " The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can only > advise his clients to plant vines. " > - Frank Lloyd Wright > > " To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinking > that drugs will make you healthy. " > - Andrew Saul, PhD > > " The only safe vaccine is one that is never used. " Dr. James R. > Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health > > " There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there are > outside its ranks. " Dr. J. P. Baldwin > > " Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they are > not charlatans. " Dr. Magendie (The great French physician) > > " We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people till > they believe it. " Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark) > > " ...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter, > had been grossly misled. " Dr Archie Kalokerinos > > " Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are all > subversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vital > functions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all produce > disease. " Dr. R.T. Thrall > > " Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' and > originator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind. > He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within the > body... " Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair > > " Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only > direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone can > create, and healing is re-creation. " Dr. William S. Sadler > > " Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, and > medical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense. " > Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh) > > " I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people. " Dr > Mark Donohoe > > " Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, the > dietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow. " Dr. ALEXIS > CARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the Rockefeller > Institute.) > > " Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud. " > Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling > > " You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound to > perish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche > > " He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his own > medicine. " PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University > > " An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of such > an enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia. > No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book without > being appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh of > trash. " PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association, > June, 1920 > > " The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the world > with incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankering > minerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poison > bags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogs > extracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust down > the throat of gullible human beings. " Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S. > > " We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form of > anti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunised > person contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, it > is pretty good evidence that such " protection " is valueless, isn't it? > Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed to > be immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE ARE > QUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the present > prestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, its > scientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, its > well heralded " achievements, " we are most assuredly quacks, professing > to do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence. " > Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc. > > " Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, the > dietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow. " Dr. ALEXIS > CARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the Rockefeller > Institute.) > > " A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is also > his medicine. " > - Henry David Thoreau > > " If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic. " > - William Shakespeare > > " Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors. " > - Gabriel García Márquez > > " Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the cases > medicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience to > spiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine of > the spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness. " > - Harriot K. Hunt > > " No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by any > other means. " > - Moses Maimonides (1135-1204) > > " The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician. > Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind. " > - Paracelsus > > " Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results of > which taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind. > Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia. " > - Napoleon Bonaparte > > " Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctors > know nothing. " > - Benvenuto Cellini > > " The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to the > patient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but also > with the habits and constitution of the sick > man. " - Cicero > > " He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines. " > - Benjamin Franklin > > " Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world than > even we generals. " > - Napoleon I > > " The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find. " > - Denis Diderot > > " Time is generally the best doctor. " > - Ovid > > " The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends to > impending sickness; > > The inferior doctor treats actual sickness. " > - Chinese Proverb > > " There are more old drunkards than old physicians. " > - François Rabelais > > " I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die of > old age. " > - Voltaire > > " Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictory > mistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of them > to our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientific > truth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time. " > - Marcel Proust. > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Go ahead and post the site - it is merely freedom of speech. Just so long as no one offers encouragement to do something the powers that be deem as illegal or offers any such thing for sale here on this site (though they really have no such constitutional right to tell us what we can or cannot put in our bodies or what we do to address our private health concerns as long as no third party is harmed). Interesting post, btw. That means that Dr. G and I should have a built in immunity from Hep-C due to our miss-spent youth and days of amateur mycology. We also should be immune from breast cancer. : ^ ) oleander soup , neautika wrote: > > About that Hep-C > > I do not want to mention the site because it has forums about > cultivating illegal and medicinal mushrooms.... But something unexpected > happened a few years ago while these guys with Hep were eating > psilocybin cubensis. Some of the guys with Hepatitis (I believe C) > became free of it unexpectedly. I would be curious to know if any new > info has came about since then. If you want to know the site, mail me > privately. Lots of good folks there which would be happy to share info. > > Also effective, for some reason very small doses eliminate cluster > headaches for days to weeks at a time. I had a buddy that use to do this > to control them, changed his life. Doses were so low doses they did not > require the 'trip' > > Tony wrote: > > Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. I > > could really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator's > > message, but it just is not worth it. > > > > CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with a > > grain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the good > > advice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challenge > > any of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results from > > the horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about side > > effects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here: > > > > /hepatitis.htm > > > > People like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancer > > groups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those who > > had been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give up > > and should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They had > > rather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life! > > > > What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhashed > > daily and inundated with " Just Ask Your Doctor " propaganda is this: > > Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take care > > of illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! > > Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a very > > profit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. > > You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cure > > anything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make good > > profits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugs > > that only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to more > > conditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that is > > EXACTLY what we have now. > > > > I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr! > > > > > > > > Maybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known than > > that illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject: > > > > " Nature is the physician of man. " > > -Hippocrates, " the father of medicine " > > -The Nature of Man > > > > " Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy the > > reason for its existence. " > > - James Bryce > > > > " I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk to > > the bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and all > > the worse for the fishes. " > > - Oliver Wendell Holmes > > > > " God heals and the doctor takes the fee. " > > - Benjamin Franklin > > > > " The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholar > > foots it by their side. " > > - Robert Burton > > -Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15) > > > > " Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor for > > a nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God never > > made his work for man to mend. " > > - John Dryden > > -Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92) > > > > " Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook his > > head, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his fee > > to-morrow. " > > - John Gay > > -The Sick Man and the Angel > > > > " Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as a > > major operation by a surgeon. " > > - Dag Hammarskjold > > -News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956 > > > > " You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write a > > bill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, the > > dose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though you > > recover, he must break. " > > - Matthew Prior > > -Alma (canto III, l. 97) > > > > " But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd the > > politician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of my > > physician. " > > - Matthew Prior > > - The Remedy Worse than the Disease > > > > " Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soever > > they have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, the > > earth covereth. " > > - Francis Quarles > > - Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man > > > > " Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to > > cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they > > know nothing. " > > - Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire] > > > > " Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases. " > > - Moliere (1622-1672) > > > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his > > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > > prevention of disease. " > > - Thomas Edison > > > > " Having good health is very different than only being not sick. " > > - Seneca the Younger, 50AD > > > > " In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties. " > > - Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881 > > > > " Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied to > > relieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part of > > Nature. " > > - Elbert Hubbard > > > > " Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patient > > with food. " > > Hippocrates, 420BC > > > > " One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses not > > to take medicine. " > > - William Osler > > > > " A merry heart does good like medicine. " > > - Proverbs 17:22 > > > > " Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makes > > them sinful. " > > - Martin Luther (1483-1546) > > > > " Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However, > > lucky for you, I happen to be a quack. " > > - Richter cartoon caption > > > > " I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanity > > in the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind. " > > - Mahatma Gandhi > > > > " The life so short, the craft so long to learn. " > > - Hippocrates > > > > " How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases. " > > --Victor Schlichter, attributed by his son > > Dr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina > > > > " The miserable have no other medicine but only hope. " > > - William Shakespeare Measure for Measure > > > > " Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolonged > > pain, disease, discomfort and wealth. " > > - Robert Orben > > > > " Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook > > magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men > > mistake medicine for magic. " > > - Thomas Szasz, M.D. > > > > " The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature > > cures the disease. " > > - Voltaire (1694 - 1778) > > > > " [Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results of > > which, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind. " > > - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821) > > > > " For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten in > > healthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousand > > times more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill. " > > - Marcel Proust > > > > " Modern medicine " may well be defined as " the experimental study of what > > happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human > > bodies. " > > - A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine > > (http://www.orthomed.org) > > > > " A potent quack, long versed in human ills, > > Who first insults the victim whom he kills; > > Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect, > > And whose most tender mercy is neglect. " > > - George Crabbe > > > > " Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live. " > > - Henry David Thoreau > > > > " I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine have > > a tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. A > > doctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend you > > to a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success. " > > - Ernest Hemingway > > > > " Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining what > > there are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, as > > possible. " > > - Florence Nightingale > > > > " Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is a > > physician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest, > > but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed that > > a physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a maker > > of money, have we not? - Plato > > > > " It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called in > > when the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais > > > > " One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis. " > > - Karl Kraus > > > > " Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face. > > They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them. > > When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come together > > without laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's profession > > is a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other's > > failure. " > > - Henry David Thoreau > > > > " The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higher > > his reputation soars even amongst powerful princes. " > > - Desiderius Erasmus > > > > " The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can only > > advise his clients to plant vines. " > > - Frank Lloyd Wright > > > > " To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinking > > that drugs will make you healthy. " > > - Andrew Saul, PhD > > > > " The only safe vaccine is one that is never used. " Dr. James R. > > Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health > > > > " There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there are > > outside its ranks. " Dr. J. P. Baldwin > > > > " Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they are > > not charlatans. " Dr. Magendie (The great French physician) > > > > " We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people till > > they believe it. " Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark) > > > > " ...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter, > > had been grossly misled. " Dr Archie Kalokerinos > > > > " Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are all > > subversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vital > > functions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all produce > > disease. " Dr. R.T. Thrall > > > > " Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' and > > originator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind. > > He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within the > > body... " Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair > > > > " Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only > > direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone can > > create, and healing is re-creation. " Dr. William S. Sadler > > > > " Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, and > > medical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense. " > > Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh) > > > > " I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people. " Dr > > Mark Donohoe > > > > " Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, the > > dietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow. " Dr. ALEXIS > > CARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the Rockefeller > > Institute.) > > > > " Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud. " > > Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling > > > > " You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound to > > perish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche > > > > " He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his own > > medicine. " PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University > > > > " An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of such > > an enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia. > > No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book without > > being appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh of > > trash. " PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association, > > June, 1920 > > > > " The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the world > > with incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankering > > minerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poison > > bags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogs > > extracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust down > > the throat of gullible human beings. " Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S. > > > > " We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form of > > anti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunised > > person contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, it > > is pretty good evidence that such " protection " is valueless, isn't it? > > Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed to > > be immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE ARE > > QUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the present > > prestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, its > > scientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, its > > well heralded " achievements, " we are most assuredly quacks, professing > > to do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence. " > > Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc. > > > > " Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, the > > dietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow. " Dr. ALEXIS > > CARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the Rockefeller > > Institute.) > > > > " A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is also > > his medicine. " > > - Henry David Thoreau > > > > " If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic. " > > - William Shakespeare > > > > " Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors. " > > - Gabriel García Márquez > > > > " Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the cases > > medicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience to > > spiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine of > > the spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness. " > > - Harriot K. Hunt > > > > " No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by any > > other means. " > > - Moses Maimonides (1135-1204) > > > > " The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician. > > Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind. " > > - Paracelsus > > > > " Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results of > > which taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind. > > Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia. " > > - Napoleon Bonaparte > > > > " Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctors > > know nothing. " > > - Benvenuto Cellini > > > > " The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to the > > patient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but also > > with the habits and constitution of the sick > > man. " - Cicero > > > > " He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines. " > > - Benjamin Franklin > > > > " Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world than > > even we generals. " > > - Napoleon I > > > > " The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find. " > > - Denis Diderot > > > > " Time is generally the best doctor. " > > - Ovid > > > > " The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends to > > impending sickness; > > > > The inferior doctor treats actual sickness. " > > - Chinese Proverb > > > > " There are more old drunkards than old physicians. " > > - François Rabelais > > > > " I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die of > > old age. " > > - Voltaire > > > > " Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictory > > mistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of them > > to our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientific > > truth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time. " > > - Marcel Proust. > > > > > > > > > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Well friend- this information is no good to me-us if we can not go to the site and read all is there to read, just send the site for havens sakes. hugs Mary - <neautika <oleander soup > Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:37 PM Re: THEY are a bunch of dim bulbs. Let's shine a bit of light on the subject > About that Hep-C > > I do not want to mention the site because it has forums about > cultivating illegal and medicinal mushrooms.... But something unexpected > happened a few years ago while these guys with Hep were eating > psilocybin cubensis. Some of the guys with Hepatitis (I believe C) > became free of it unexpectedly. I would be curious to know if any new > info has came about since then. If you want to know the site, mail me > privately. Lots of good folks there which would be happy to share info. > > Also effective, for some reason very small doses eliminate cluster > headaches for days to weeks at a time. I had a buddy that use to do this > to control them, changed his life. Doses were so low doses they did not > require the 'trip' > > Tony wrote: >> Such is the sad brainwashing of the masses by mainstream medicine. I >> could really go into detail to rebut this mainstream moderator's >> message, but it just is not worth it. >> >> CureZone is a wonderful place, but you do have to take things with a >> grain of salt and do your homework to make sure that you find the good >> advice and protocols among the bad. As far as Hep-C goes, I challenge >> any of those been there/done that know-it-alls to compare results from >> the horrific interferon and other mainstream meds (talk about side >> effects!) with the safe and natural Hep-C protocol here: >> >> /hepatitis.htm >> >> People like that really set me on edge! It reminds me of the cancer >> groups I have been kicked out of because I suggested that those who >> had been told there was no hope by their oncologist should not give up >> and should try oleander and other natural alternatives. They had >> rather believe their doctors and die than take a chance on life! >> >> What these blind sheeple refuse to look at as they are brainwhashed >> daily and inundated with " Just Ask Your Doctor " propaganda is this: >> Mankind has successfully used herbs, nutrition and nature to take care >> of illness for well over 6000 years. God and nature are NOT quacks! >> Mainstream medicine and the huge World Pharma business is a very >> profit oriented business that has only one marketplace - our bodies. >> You cannot keep making a profit or increasing profits if you cure >> anything - and they haven't for half a century now. You can make good >> profits if you brainwash the public and the doctors and make drugs >> that only manage symptoms - drugs with side effects that lead to more >> conditions and still more drugs in a never ending cycle. And that is >> EXACTLY what we have now. >> >> I will get off my soapbox. Reluctantly. Grrrrrrrr! >> >> >> >> Maybe it would be good now to have some people a bit better known than >> that illustrious moderator weigh in on the subject: >> >> " Nature is the physician of man. " >> -Hippocrates, " the father of medicine " >> -The Nature of Man >> >> " Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy the >> reason for its existence. " >> - James Bryce >> >> " I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk to >> the bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind, and all >> the worse for the fishes. " >> - Oliver Wendell Holmes >> >> " God heals and the doctor takes the fee. " >> - Benjamin Franklin >> >> " The rich Physician, honor'd Lawyers ride, Whilst the poor Scholar >> foots it by their side. " >> - Robert Burton >> -Anatomy of Melancholy (I, 2, 3, 15) >> >> " Better to hunt in fields for health unbought, Than fee the doctor for >> a nauseous draught. The wise for cure on exercise depend; God never >> made his work for man to mend. " >> - John Dryden >> -Epistle to John Dryden of Chesterton (l. 92) >> >> " Is there no hope? the sick man said, The silent doctor shook his >> head, And took his leave with signs of sorrow, Despairing of his fee >> to-morrow. " >> - John Gay >> -The Sick Man and the Angel >> >> " Constant attention by a good nurse may be just as important as a >> major operation by a surgeon. " >> - Dag Hammarskjold >> -News Summaries, Mar. 18.1956 >> >> " You tell your doctor, that y' are ill And what does he, but write a >> bill, Of which you need not read one letter, The worse the scrawl, the >> dose the better. For if you knew but what you take, Though you >> recover, he must break. " >> - Matthew Prior >> -Alma (canto III, l. 97) >> >> " But, when the wit began to wheeze, And wine had warm'd the >> politician, Cur'd yesterday of my disease, I died last night of my >> physician. " >> - Matthew Prior >> - The Remedy Worse than the Disease >> >> " Physicians, of all men, are most happy: whatever good success soever >> they have, the world proclaimeth and what faults they commit, the >> earth covereth. " >> - Francis Quarles >> - Hieroglyphics of the Life of Man >> >> " Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to >> cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they >> know nothing. " >> - Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire] >> >> " Nearly all men die of their medicines, not of their diseases. " >> - Moliere (1622-1672) >> >> " The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his >> patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and >> prevention of disease. " >> - Thomas Edison >> >> " Having good health is very different than only being not sick. " >> - Seneca the Younger, 50AD >> >> " In health there is freedom. Health is the first of all liberties. " >> - Henri-Frederic Amiel 1828-1881 >> >> " Most diseases are the result of medication that has been applied to >> relieve and take away a beneficient and warning symptom on the part of >> Nature. " >> - Elbert Hubbard >> >> " Leave your drugs in the chemist's pots if you can cure your patient >> with food. " >> Hippocrates, 420BC >> >> " One of the first duties of the physician is to educate the masses not >> to take medicine. " >> - William Osler >> >> " A merry heart does good like medicine. " >> - Proverbs 17:22 >> >> " Medicine makes people ill, mathematics makes them sad, theology makes >> them sinful. " >> - Martin Luther (1483-1546) >> >> " Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However, >> lucky for you, I happen to be a quack. " >> - Richter cartoon caption >> >> " I have endeavored to show that there is no real service of humanity >> in the profession [of medicine] and that it is injurious to mankind. " >> - Mahatma Gandhi >> >> " The life so short, the craft so long to learn. " >> - Hippocrates >> >> " How unfair! Only one health, and so many diseases. " >> --Victor Schlichter, attributed by his son >> Dr. Andres J. Schlichter, Children´s Hospital, Buenos Aires, Argentina >> >> " The miserable have no other medicine but only hope. " >> - William Shakespeare Measure for Measure >> >> " Thanks to modern medicine we are no longer forced to endure prolonged >> pain, disease, discomfort and wealth. " >> - Robert Orben >> >> " Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook >> magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men >> mistake medicine for magic. " >> - Thomas Szasz, M.D. >> >> " The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature >> cures the disease. " >> - Voltaire (1694 - 1778) >> >> " [Medicine is] a collection of uncertain prescriptions the results of >> which, taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind. " >> - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821) >> >> " For each illness that doctors cure with medicine, they provoke ten in >> healthy people by inoculating them with the virus that is a thousand >> times more powerful than any microbe: the idea that one is ill. " >> - Marcel Proust >> >> " Modern medicine " may well be defined as " the experimental study of what >> happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human >> bodies. " >> - A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine >> (http://www.orthomed.org) >> >> " A potent quack, long versed in human ills, >> Who first insults the victim whom he kills; >> Whose murd'rous hand a drowsy bench protect, >> And whose most tender mercy is neglect. " >> - George Crabbe >> >> " Heal yourselves, doctors; by God I live. " >> - Henry David Thoreau >> >> " I have noticed that doctors who fail in the practice of medicine have >> a tendency to seek one another's company and aid in consultation. A >> doctor who cannot take out your appendix properly will recommend you >> to a doctor who will be unable to remove your tonsils with success. " >> - Ernest Hemingway >> >> " Instead of wishing to see more doctors made by women joining what >> there are, I wish to see as few doctors, either male or female, as >> possible. " >> - Florence Nightingale >> >> " Is it not also true that no physician, in so far as he is a >> physician, considers or enjoins what is for the physician's interest, >> but that all seek the good of their patients? For we have agreed that >> a physician strictly so called, is a ruler of bodies, and not a maker >> of money, have we not? - Plato >> >> " It is said, proverbially, that happy is the doctor who is called in >> when the disease is on its way out. - François Rabelais >> >> " One of the most widespread diseases is diagnosis. " >> - Karl Kraus >> >> " Priests and physicians should never look one another in the face. >> They have no common ground, nor is there any to mediate between them. >> When the one comes, the other goes. They could not come together >> without laughter, or a significant silence, for the one's profession >> is a satire on the other's, and either's success would be the other's >> failure. " >> - Henry David Thoreau >> >> " The more ignorant, reckless and thoughtless a doctor is, the higher >> his reputation soars even amongst powerful princes. " >> - Desiderius Erasmus >> >> " The physician can bury his mistakes, but the architect can only >> advise his clients to plant vines. " >> - Frank Lloyd Wright >> >> " To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinking >> that drugs will make you healthy. " >> - Andrew Saul, PhD >> >> " The only safe vaccine is one that is never used. " Dr. James R. >> Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health >> >> " There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there are >> outside its ranks. " Dr. J. P. Baldwin >> >> " Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they are >> not charlatans. " Dr. Magendie (The great French physician) >> >> " We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people till >> they believe it. " Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark) >> >> " ...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter, >> had been grossly misled. " Dr Archie Kalokerinos >> >> " Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are all >> subversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vital >> functions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all produce >> disease. " Dr. R.T. Thrall >> >> " Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' and >> originator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind. >> He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within the >> body... " Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair >> >> " Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only >> direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone can >> create, and healing is re-creation. " Dr. William S. Sadler >> >> " Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, and >> medical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense. " >> Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh) >> >> " I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people. " Dr >> Mark Donohoe >> >> " Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, the >> dietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow. " Dr. ALEXIS >> CARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the Rockefeller >> Institute.) >> >> " Everyone should know that the `war on cancer' is largely a fraud. " >> Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling >> >> " You must be born for your physician, otherwise you are bound to >> perish because of your physician. - Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> " He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his own >> medicine. " PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford >> University >> >> " An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of such >> an enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia. >> No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book without >> being appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh of >> trash. " PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association, >> June, 1920 >> >> " The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the world >> with incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankering >> minerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poison >> bags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogs >> extracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust down >> the throat of gullible human beings. " Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S. >> >> " We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form of >> anti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunised >> person contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, it >> is pretty good evidence that such " protection " is valueless, isn't it? >> Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed to >> be immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE ARE >> QUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the present >> prestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, its >> scientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, its >> well heralded " achievements, " we are most assuredly quacks, professing >> to do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence. " >> Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc. >> >> " Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, the >> dietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow. " Dr. ALEXIS >> CARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the Rockefeller >> Institute.) >> >> " A man may esteem himself happy when that which is his food is also >> his medicine. " >> - Henry David Thoreau >> >> " If he be sick with joy, he'll recover without physic. " >> - William Shakespeare >> >> " Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors. " >> - Gabriel García Márquez >> >> " Medication alone is not to be relied on. In one half the cases >> medicine is not needed, or is worse than useless. Obedience to >> spiritual and physical laws—hygeine [sic] of the body, and hygeine of >> the spirit—is the surest warrant for health and happiness. " >> - Harriot K. Hunt >> >> " No Illness which can be treated by the diet should be treated by any >> other means. " >> - Moses Maimonides (1135-1204) >> >> " The art of healing comes from nature and not from the physician. >> Therefore, the physician must start from nature with an open mind. " >> - Paracelsus >> >> " Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions, the results of >> which taken collectively, are more fatal than useful to mankind. >> Water, air and cleanliness are the chief articles in my pharmacopeia. " >> - Napoleon Bonaparte >> >> " Oh, the powers of nature! She knows what we need, and the doctors >> know nothing. " >> - Benvenuto Cellini >> >> " The competent physician, before he attempts to give medicine to the >> patient, makes himself acquainted not only with the disease, but also >> with the habits and constitution of the sick >> man. " - Cicero >> >> " He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines. " >> - Benjamin Franklin >> >> " Doctors will have more lives to answer for in the next world than >> even we generals. " >> - Napoleon I >> >> " The best doctor is the one you run to and can't find. " >> - Denis Diderot >> >> " Time is generally the best doctor. " >> - Ovid >> >> " The superior doctor prevents sickness; The mediocre doctor attends to >> impending sickness; >> >> The inferior doctor treats actual sickness. " >> - Chinese Proverb >> >> " There are more old drunkards than old physicians. " >> - François Rabelais >> >> " I know of nothing more laughable than a doctor who does not die of >> old age. " >> - Voltaire >> >> " Medicine being a compendium of the successive and contradictory >> mistakes of medical practitioners, when we summon the wisest of them >> to our aid, the chances are that we may be relying on a scientific >> truth the error of which will be recognized in a few years' time. " >> - Marcel Proust. >> >> >> >> >> - > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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