saunas and chelation

[Guest guest]

Andrew Cutler wrote that you must always remove all amalgam fillings before starting to chelate mercury and other heavy metals.That the fillings could fall out, the process can leach the metals into the body rather than removing them. I am not in a position to do remove all amalgams, yet I need the heavy metals out of my body. Concerned, bigtime!

I asked a friend who has been on a couple of sauna lists for a long time . He replied that no one has written of adverse effects from either sauna or chelation. Just be sure to replace vitamins and minerals. Snopes, anyone? Rhoda

[Guest guest]

Since chelation "bonds" with the metals, how the metals could be leached into the body is beyond me. I have two amalgams. I've been doing chelation of some sort for decades. I've never had them even loosen up.

 

Again, an amalgam that is created properly should not "leach" anything. That's like telling me that hydrogen can be leached from a water molecule in the presence of some herb.

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 5/27/2008 7:26:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, firefly541 writes:

Andrew Cutler wrote that you must always remove all amalgam fillings before starting to chelate mercury and other heavy metals.That the fillings could fall out, the process can leach the metals into the body rather than removing them. I am not in a position to do remove all amalgams, yet I need the heavy metals out of my body. Concerned, bigtime! I asked a friend who has been on a couple of sauna lists for a long time . He replied that no one has written of adverse effects from either sauna or chelation. Just be sure to replace vitamins and minerals. Snopes, anyone? RhodaGet trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.

[Guest guest]

My protocol involves cleansing the body of stored mercury BEFORE

amalgam removal. If you start removing amalgam more mercury will be

released into an already burdened body. Using Natural Cellular

Defense will safely detoxify you without leaching further mercury.

 

On the day of the removal (never remove from both sides of the mouth

at once, but leave at least 21 days between sides!) preferably just

before you go into the dentist's office, take a very large amount of

the NCD to remove what's in the bloodstream and then follow up for a

few weeks after.

 

All the traditional, old-time chelators are not safe to use with

existing amalgam and this is what Andy is talking about, a chelator

from the 1940's. He will be the first to tell you that NCD doesn't

work to remove amalgam. I guess that would cut into his $40 book

sales though if there was something else that worked besides his

program. Urine challenge testings, SCIO, muscle testing, etc will all

show that the NCD works. One doctor I know has done over 80 urine

challenge tests and found it to work every single time.

 

Do not be fooled by fakes. There are a lot of companies promoting

stuff called liquid zeolite. Testing has shown that some of these do

not contain even a speck of zeolite! People do notice a detox

reaction which I'm assuming is from fulvic acid they put in it.

 

Powdered zeolites work in the digestive tract but not in the entire

bloodstream but are not bad too use. Don't expect them to remove

mercury from the brain though.

 

The NCD will not remove the good stuff like calcium and other vital

minerals like other chelators do and neither will they rub against the

organs causing damage. Kidney and liver function has improved in many

of the people I've worked with, including myself and my family.

 

This is a very condensed explanation. Feel free to call or email me

for more details.

 

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen

 

oleander soup , " Rhoda Mead " <firefly541 wrote:

>

> Andrew Cutler wrote that you must always remove all amalgam fillings

before

> starting to chelate mercury and other heavy metals.That the fillings

could

> fall out, the process can leach the metals into the body rather than

> removing them. I am not in a position to do remove all amalgams, yet

I need

> the heavy metals out of my body. Concerned, bigtime!

> I asked a friend who has been on a couple of sauna lists for a

long time

> . He replied that no one has written of adverse effects from either

sauna or

> chelation. Just be sure to replace vitamins and minerals. Snopes,

anyone?

> Rhoda

>

[Guest guest]

While there may be some fakes out there,

there are also some good products that are not MLM and don’t cost an arm

and a leg to purchase. We have one that is bound to fulvic acid and made

by the most knowledgeable person in America on zeolite and fulvic acid.

He was dealing with zeolite way before NDC came around. In fact, he has

had to fight being shut down several times. I know of another company

that also has a good liquid zeolite. They are not fakes. This is

MLM marketing tactics.

 

Chlorella is also good for heavy metal

detoxification. We use it all the time with great success. There is

a liquid Chlorella product that I am currently looking at then does a great job

and there are studies to prove it.

 

I don’t think this is a forum to try to sell a lot of products.

Recommendations are fine but let’s not get out of hand or say things that

are possibly not true. People need to do their research.

 

And people do get well with amalgams

still in their mouth. I was one of them, in 2001, and still have the

amalgams. I do a heavy metal cleanse (several methods) at least 2x per

year.

 

Be Well

Loretta

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

 

 

All

the traditional, old-time chelators are not safe to use with

existing

amalgam and this is what Andy is talking about, a chelator

from

the 1940's. He will be the first to tell you that NCD doesn't

work

to remove amalgam. I guess that would cut into his $40 book

sales

though if there was something else that worked besides his

program.

Urine challenge testings, SCIO, muscle testing, etc will all

show

that the NCD works. One doctor I know has done over 80 urine

challenge

tests and found it to work every single time.

 

Do

not be fooled by fakes. There are a lot of companies promoting

stuff

called liquid zeolite. Testing has shown that some of these do

not

contain even a speck of zeolite! People do notice a detox

reaction

which I'm assuming is from fulvic acid they put in it.

 

Powdered

zeolites work in the digestive tract but not in the entire

bloodstream

but are not bad too use. Don't expect them to remove

mercury

from the brain though.

 

The

NCD will not remove the good stuff like calcium and other vital

minerals

like other chelators do and neither will they rub against the

organs

causing damage. Kidney and liver function has improved in many

of

the people I've worked with, including myself and my family.

 

This

is a very condensed explanation. Feel free to call or email me

for

more details.

 

Sharon

Hoehner

 

[Guest guest]

Loretta,

Oh that is nice to hear because I believe it is hard for many people to have their amalgams removed do to the cost. I have had 3 of my 5 removed. Just doing it as I can afford it.

 

Tammatha

 

-

Dr. Loretta Lanphier

oleander soup

Tuesday, May 27, 2008 1:06 PM

RE: Re: saunas and chelation

 

 

 

 

While there may be some fakes out there, there are also some good products that are not MLM and don’t cost an arm and a leg to purchase. We have one that is bound to fulvic acid and made by the most knowledgeable person in America on zeolite and fulvic acid. He was dealing with zeolite way before NDC came around. In fact, he has had to fight being shut down several times. I know of another company that also has a good liquid zeolite. They are not fakes. This is MLM marketing tactics.

 

Chlorella is also good for heavy metal detoxification. We use it all the time with great success. There is a liquid Chlorella product that I am currently looking at then does a great job and there are studies to prove it.I don’t think this is a forum to try to sell a lot of products. Recommendations are fine but let’s not get out of hand or say things that are possibly not true. People need to do their research.

 

And people do get well with amalgams still in their mouth. I was one of them, in 2001, and still have the amalgams. I do a heavy metal cleanse (several methods) at least 2x per year.

 

Be WellLoretta

 

 

 

All the traditional, old-time chelators are not safe to use with

existing amalgam and this is what Andy is talking about, a chelator

from the 1940's. He will be the first to tell you that NCD doesn't

work to remove amalgam. I guess that would cut into his $40 book

sales though if there was something else that worked besides his

program. Urine challenge testings, SCIO, muscle testing, etc will all

show that the NCD works. One doctor I know has done over 80 urine

challenge tests and found it to work every single time.

 

Do not be fooled by fakes. There are a lot of companies promoting

stuff called liquid zeolite. Testing has shown that some of these do

not contain even a speck of zeolite! People do notice a detox

reaction which I'm assuming is from fulvic acid they put in it.

 

Powdered zeolites work in the digestive tract but not in the entire

bloodstream but are not bad too use. Don't expect them to remove

mercury from the brain though.

 

The NCD will not remove the good stuff like calcium and other vital

minerals like other chelators do and neither will they rub against the

organs causing damage. Kidney and liver function has improved in many

of the people I've worked with, including myself and my family.

 

This is a very condensed explanation. Feel free to call or email me

for more details.

 

Sharon Hoehner

[Guest guest]

Hello Sharon,

An environmental doc suggested we never have our treatments on days that are

multiples of seven after the last treatment. Instead of 3 weeks exactly, we made

it 20 or 22 days. Can't remember why - but it seemed biblical to me, there are

so many patterns of 7 in nature. Does anyone know the reason? We didn't have

NCD, just Vitamin C &  thioctic acid

and relevant homoeopathics,

Marcuja

 

--- On Tue, 5/27/08, Sharon <energy_now wrote:

 

Sharon <energy_now

Re: saunas and chelation

oleander soup

Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 10:47 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

My protocol involves cleansing the body of stored mercury BEFORE

amalgam removal. If you start removing amalgam more mercury will be

released into an already burdened body. Using Natural Cellular

Defense will safely detoxify you without leaching further mercury.

 

On the day of the removal (never remove from both sides of the mouth

at once, but leave at least 21 days between sides!) preferably just

before you go into the dentist's office, take a very large amount of

the NCD to remove what's in the bloodstream and then follow up for a

few weeks after.

 

All the traditional, old-time chelators are not safe to use with

existing amalgam and this is what Andy is talking about, a chelator

from the 1940's. He will be the first to tell you that NCD doesn't

work to remove amalgam. I guess that would cut into his $40 book

sales though if there was something else that worked besides his

program. Urine challenge testings, SCIO, muscle testing, etc will all

show that the NCD works. One doctor I know has done over 80 urine

challenge tests and found it to work every single time.

 

Do not be fooled by fakes. There are a lot of companies promoting

stuff called liquid zeolite. Testing has shown that some of these do

not contain even a speck of zeolite! People do notice a detox

reaction which I'm assuming is from fulvic acid they put in it.

 

Powdered zeolites work in the digestive tract but not in the entire

bloodstream but are not bad too use. Don't expect them to remove

mercury from the brain though.

 

The NCD will not remove the good stuff like calcium and other vital

minerals like other chelators do and neither will they rub against the

organs causing damage. Kidney and liver function has improved in many

of the people I've worked with, including myself and my family.

 

This is a very condensed explanation. Feel free to call or email me

for more details.

 

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause. com/detoxqueen

[Guest guest]

Dr Loretta,

During 2 the 6 months I was waiting for my Gist cancer to disappear , I used Zeolite from a multimarketer and The cancer still grew. Please send me ordering on the source that prepares it properly and does not rip consumers off. Thanks

Bill

 

-

Dr. Loretta Lanphier

oleander soup

2008-05-27 13:06

RE: Re: saunas and chelation

 

 

 

 

While there may be some fakes out there, there are also some good products that are not MLM and don’t cost an arm and a leg to purchase. We have one that is bound to fulvic acid and made by the most knowledgeable person in America on zeolite and fulvic acid. He was dealing with zeolite way before NDC came around. In fact, he has had to fight being shut down several times. I know of another company that also has a good liquid zeolite. They are not fakes. This is MLM marketing tactics.

 

Chlorella is also good for heavy metal detoxification. We use it all the time with great success. There is a liquid Chlorella product that I am currently looking at then does a great job and there are studies to prove it.I don’t think this is a forum to try to sell a lot of products. Recommendations are fine but let’s not get out of hand or say things that are possibly not true. People need to do their research.

 

And people do get well with amalgams still in their mouth. I was one of them, in 2001, and still have the amalgams. I do a heavy metal cleanse (several methods) at least 2x per year.

 

Be WellLoretta

 

 

 

All the traditional, old-time chelators are not safe to use with

existing amalgam and this is what Andy is talking about, a chelator

from the 1940's. He will be the first to tell you that NCD doesn't

work to remove amalgam. I guess that would cut into his $40 book

sales though if there was something else that worked besides his

program. Urine challenge testings, SCIO, muscle testing, etc will all

show that the NCD works. One doctor I know has done over 80 urine

challenge tests and found it to work every single time.

 

Do not be fooled by fakes. There are a lot of companies promoting

stuff called liquid zeolite. Testing has shown that some of these do

not contain even a speck of zeolite! People do notice a detox

reaction which I'm assuming is from fulvic acid they put in it.

 

Powdered zeolites work in the digestive tract but not in the entire

bloodstream but are not bad too use. Don't expect them to remove

mercury from the brain though.

 

The NCD will not remove the good stuff like calcium and other vital

minerals like other chelators do and neither will they rub against the

organs causing damage. Kidney and liver function has improved in many

of the people I've worked with, including myself and my family.

 

This is a very condensed explanation. Feel free to call or email me

for more details.

 

Sharon Hoehner

[Guest guest]

Dr Loretta,

Thanks for your post, I will use the info you provided for detoxing myself.

Bill

 

-

Dr. Loretta Lanphier

oleander soup

2008-05-27 13:06

RE: Re: saunas and chelation

 

 

 

 

While there may be some fakes out there, there are also some good products that are not MLM and don’t cost an arm and a leg to purchase. We have one that is bound to fulvic acid and made by the most knowledgeable person in America on zeolite and fulvic acid. He was dealing with zeolite way before NDC came around. In fact, he has had to fight being shut down several times. I know of another company that also has a good liquid zeolite. They are not fakes. This is MLM marketing tactics.

 

Chlorella is also good for heavy metal detoxification. We use it all the time with great success. There is a liquid Chlorella product that I am currently looking at then does a great job and there are studies to prove it.I don’t think this is a forum to try to sell a lot of products. Recommendations are fine but let’s not get out of hand or say things that are possibly not true. People need to do their research.

 

And people do get well with amalgams still in their mouth. I was one of them, in 2001, and still have the amalgams. I do a heavy metal cleanse (several methods) at least 2x per year.

 

Be WellLoretta

 

 

 

All the traditional, old-time chelators are not safe to use with

existing amalgam and this is what Andy is talking about, a chelator

from the 1940's. He will be the first to tell you that NCD doesn't

work to remove amalgam. I guess that would cut into his $40 book

sales though if there was something else that worked besides his

program. Urine challenge testings, SCIO, muscle testing, etc will all

show that the NCD works. One doctor I know has done over 80 urine

challenge tests and found it to work every single time.

 

Do not be fooled by fakes. There are a lot of companies promoting

stuff called liquid zeolite. Testing has shown that some of these do

not contain even a speck of zeolite! People do notice a detox

reaction which I'm assuming is from fulvic acid they put in it.

 

Powdered zeolites work in the digestive tract but not in the entire

bloodstream but are not bad too use. Don't expect them to remove

mercury from the brain though.

 

The NCD will not remove the good stuff like calcium and other vital

minerals like other chelators do and neither will they rub against the

organs causing damage. Kidney and liver function has improved in many

of the people I've worked with, including myself and my family.

 

This is a very condensed explanation. Feel free to call or email me

for more details.

 

Sharon Hoehner

[Guest guest]

What is the good zeolite company?

 

 

 

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Bill

Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:01

PM

oleander soup

[sPAM]Re:

Re: saunas and chelation

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr Loretta,

 

 

During 2 the 6 months I was waiting for my Gist

cancer to disappear , I used Zeolite from a multimarketer and The cancer still

grew. Please send me ordering on the source that prepares it properly and does

not rip consumers off. Thanks

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

-

 

 

Dr. Loretta Lanphier

 

 

oleander soup

 

 

 

2008-05-27 13:06

 

 

RE:

Re: saunas and chelation

 

 

 

 

 

 

While there may be

some fakes out there, there are also some good products that are not MLM and

don’t cost an arm and a leg to purchase. We have one that is bound

to fulvic acid and made by the most knowledgeable person in America on

zeolite and fulvic acid. He was dealing with zeolite way before NDC came

around. In fact, he has had to fight being shut down several times.

I know of another company that also has a good liquid zeolite. They are

not fakes. This is MLM marketing tactics.

Chlorella is

also good for heavy metal detoxification. We use it all the time with

great success. There is a liquid Chlorella product that I am currently

looking at then does a great job and there are studies to prove it.

 

I don’t think this is a forum to try to sell a lot of products.

Recommendations are fine but let’s not get out of hand or say things that

are possibly not true. People need to do their research.

And people do

get well with amalgams still in their mouth. I was one of them, in 2001,

and still have the amalgams. I do a heavy metal cleanse (several methods)

at least 2x per year.

Be Well

Loretta

-----Original

Message-----

All the traditional, old-time chelators are not safe to use

with

existing amalgam and this is what Andy is talking about, a

chelator

from the 1940's. He will be the first to tell you that

NCD doesn't

work to remove amalgam. I guess that would cut into

his $40 book

sales though if there was something else that worked besides

his

program. Urine challenge testings, SCIO, muscle

testing, etc will all

show that the NCD works. One doctor I know has done

over 80 urine

challenge tests and found it to work every single time.

Do not be fooled by fakes. There are a lot of

companies promoting

stuff called liquid zeolite. Testing has shown that

some of these do

not contain even a speck of zeolite! People do notice

a detox

reaction which I'm assuming is from fulvic acid they put in

it.

Powdered zeolites work in the digestive tract but not

in the entire

bloodstream but are not bad too use. Don't expect them

to remove

mercury from the brain though.

The NCD will not remove the good stuff like calcium

and other vital

minerals like other chelators do and neither will they rub

against the

organs causing damage. Kidney and liver function has

improved in many

of the people I've worked with, including myself and my

family.

This is a very condensed explanation. Feel free

to call or email me

for more details.

Sharon Hoehner

[Guest guest]

I'll reply to this in amongst the comments made:

 

oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier "

<drlanphier wrote:

>

> While there may be some fakes out there, there are also some good

products

> that are not MLM and don't cost an arm and a leg to purchase. We

have one

> that is bound to fulvic acid and made by the most knowledgeable

person in

> America on zeolite and fulvic acid. He was dealing with zeolite way

before

> NDC came around. In fact, he has had to fight being shut down several

> times. I know of another company that also has a good liquid

zeolite. They

> are not fakes.

--

--There are around a dozen or so companies who claim to have " liquid

zeolite " . For starters, there is no such thing. Zeolite is a powder

and as such cannot be dissolved but is rather more of a colloidal

suspension than a liquid which is a misnomer.

 

Yes, zeolite has been used by humans for hundreds of years if not

longer. NCD is not the first, the company that makes it simply has

the patent to micronize and remove toxins from the powder which

enables it to be small enough to enter the bloodstream. No other

company has this, yet I have seen many websites that make false claims

for their own brands including one that has recently posted a video of

a doctor who did a medical study using NCD. They pass it off as if

they have the same product.

 

>This is MLM marketing tactics.

 

--The marketing method has nothing to do with the quality of the

product. There are many non-MLM companies that steal research, pass

it off as their own, infringe on patent rights, etc. For example

Mannatech recently won a patent infringement court case. The very

word " tactics " implies that you are prejudice against MLM companies.

Whether MD or ND, most docs are prejudice against MLM products. It's

more cost effective to keep a patient coming back over and over again.

I used to work for an MD who turned holistic. She learned TCM,

homeopathy and a ton of other therapies because she wanted to heal

people, not keep her patients coming back, yet that is how almost

every other naturopath and doctor runs their practice. MLM products

have been responsible for healing a lot of lost causes, including

myself and I know many hundreds if not thousands more like me.

>

>

>

> Chlorella is also good for heavy metal detoxification. We use it

all the

> time with great success. There is a liquid Chlorella product that I am

> currently looking at then does a great job and there are studies to

prove

> it.

 

--At least 30% of people cannot tolerate chlorella. I took several

jars of good quality chlorella, felt great when I was taking it but

when I stopped, I felt sick again. Why? Obviously it was

supplementing something good but not removing the mercury. Almost all

products are like this. They only work when you take them. How about

getting rid of the actual root problem????

 

 

>

> I don't think this is a forum to try to sell a lot of products.

> Recommendations are fine but let's not get out of hand or say things

that

> are possibly not true. People need to do their research.

 

--At least we agree on that. Research is vital before making broad

statements. I can back up everything I say here and I would seriously

suggest you test your zeolite at a reputable lab to make sure there

really is zeolite in it. Fulvic acid can be beneficial and that alone

can help a person but will it safely carry mercury and other toxic

metals out of the body if the liver or kidneys are impaired?

>

>

>

> And people do get well with amalgams still in their mouth. I was one of

> them, in 2001, and still have the amalgams. I do a heavy metal cleanse

> (several methods) at least 2x per year.

 

--please read the book excerpt from my previous email. People may get

better but they cannot permanently get truly well with existing

amalgams in their head. Especially as a naturopath, you owe it to

your clients to set the example and get the toxins out of your own

mouth and tell them the truth about how bad they really are. The book

is out of print but you might be able to pick up a copy on eBay or a

used bookstore on Amazon.

 

I don't think this forum is the proper place for debates such as this.

As I have offered before, you may contact me off-group for more

information or documents.

 

Sincerely,

 

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen

>

>

>

> Be Well

> Loretta

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> All the traditional, old-time chelators are not safe to use with

>

> existing amalgam and this is what Andy is talking about, a chelator

>

> from the 1940's. He will be the first to tell you that NCD doesn't

>

> work to remove amalgam. I guess that would cut into his $40 book

>

> sales though if there was something else that worked besides his

>

> program. Urine challenge testings, SCIO, muscle testing, etc will all

>

> show that the NCD works. One doctor I know has done over 80 urine

>

> challenge tests and found it to work every single time.

>

>

>

> Do not be fooled by fakes. There are a lot of companies promoting

>

> stuff called liquid zeolite. Testing has shown that some of these do

>

> not contain even a speck of zeolite! People do notice a detox

>

> reaction which I'm assuming is from fulvic acid they put in it.

>

>

>

> Powdered zeolites work in the digestive tract but not in the entire

>

> bloodstream but are not bad too use. Don't expect them to remove

>

> mercury from the brain though.

>

>

>

> The NCD will not remove the good stuff like calcium and other vital

>

> minerals like other chelators do and neither will they rub against the

>

> organs causing damage. Kidney and liver function has improved in many

>

> of the people I've worked with, including myself and my family.

>

>

>

> This is a very condensed explanation. Feel free to call or email me

>

> for more details.

>

>

>

> Sharon Hoehner

>

[Guest guest]

Bill,

 

Zeolite is not a Gist cure. As your ID implies you're a researcher so

I'm sure you must have came across some research that mentioned

epithelial cell cancer and zeolite. Gist does not belong to this type

of cancer.

 

You were not ripped off if you got rid of toxic metals in your body

which is the main purpose of zeolite and this could have had other

benefits in your body that you're not aware of.

 

What has your experience been with the oleander?

 

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen

 

 

oleander soup , " Bill " <w.wilkins wrote:

>

> Dr Loretta,

> During 2 the 6 months I was waiting for my Gist cancer to

disappear , I used Zeolite from a multimarketer and The cancer still

grew. Please send me ordering on the source that prepares it properly

and does not rip consumers off. Thanks

> Bill