Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Renee, Oleander is considered an immune stimulant, although I don't know how it would effect a dog with an overactive immune system. I own a dog with hemolytic anemia, on occasion his immune system attacks his RBC's, making him dangerously anemic. He has had 4 bouts of this and needed a transfusion each time... it kills them quickly without it, usually in a day or two if not caught early. I'm forced to give him prednisone and cyclosporine to suppress him immune system. I wish there was something out there that would stop his immune system from attacking him. I've tried proteolytic enzymes, probiotics, etc. His health is great but he still gets the attacks. I think it was triggered by a rabies shot about 6 years ago. His first bout happend about two months after that. Bob - May oleander soup Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:51 AM [!! SPAM] Re: Autoimmune question Renee, Colloidal silver is what is called for here. It will heal the dogs. Actually, colloidal silver is good for all animals and will heal whatever the problem. It is good for anything from infections to autoimmune disorders. I use it on my pets whenever any type of problem arises and it has never failed me. My pets are well in a matter of days, most of the time one or two days tops. As a preventative measure I put one teaspoon in their water but for an ill pet you can put one tablespoon, and also give them one tablespoon or even more of colloidal silver throughout the day. For an ill pet I will give them one tablespoon three times a day and it always works but you can most certainly give them more. They cannot overdose on colloidal silver. Again, let me refer you to Utopia Silver . This is the highest quality colloidal silver there is. Again remember, as a member of this group inserting the Code LR001 gives you a 15% discount on any items not on sale. And I believe for new customers they are still giving two bottles for the price of one. Colloidal silver kills all known bacteria and viruses including the ones resitant to antibiotics, such as MRSA, etc. I cures parvo and rabies It cures lyme disease. And it will melt tumors off dogs. It did this for my nine year old Misty. An added bonus is that it will give an older dog the enthusiasm and energy of a puppy. Again, my testimony is Misty, from a lethargic dog she now has all the strength, energy and vitality of a puppy. I use colloidal silver myself also and it has spared me from pretty serious illness at times. However, we are talking about animals and for healing animals this is the answer. Hugs, -- In oleander soup , "Gaiacita" <gaiacita wrote:>> I have been reading on an herb list that I'm on about 2 dogs with both lyme> and an auto-immune disease. Most traditional medicine won't help. I've> suggested MMS and it seems to be helping one dog, but the other dog's vet> had told them that they were to avoid having the dog throw up. As MMS in> too large a dose is capable of doing that (not from the MMS itself, but from> the toxins from a too fast die-off of pathogens) they don't want to give MMS> I don't blame them. > > But I am wondering if 1) oleander is ok for dogs and cats to take and 2) how> would it effect an auto-immune disease? If oleander is an immune booster,> would it be contra indicated for auto-immune problems? > > A friend recently told me about a product by the same company that does that> expensive zeolite stuff that is made from mushrooms and some other things. > It is supposedly an adaptogen and again, supposedly, will level out the> immune system. If it is overactive (auto-immune) it will slow it down to> normal AND if it is underactive it will speed it up (like oleander would). > So I'm wondering if oleander is considered an adaptogen or is it strictly> something to kick the immune into high gear? > > Thanks > Renee> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 That's the problem with auto-immune. Any type of immune stimulant can make the situation worse. Adaptogens seem to be the answer, but it's hard to use your own pet as a guinea pig. There are few immune adaptogens so all would be experimentation. I'm always confused by auto-immune problems. I just think our system is NOT made to do this, ever. If it was normal then we'd all be dead. I just haven't figured out why the body does this. I can understand organs in the body going wrong, I can see the immune system getting overwhelmed and unable to keep up, but the body attacking itself? Just doesn't make sense. It's got to be something wrong with the signals the immune sys it receiving. Wrong intercellular communication. But how to get it all to start communicating again? I'm going to check out that mushroom product more. My friend that told me about it mentioned one other product that is suppose to do the same thing, but I can't think of it now. I'll have to talk to her again. Samala, Renee ---- Oleander is considered an immune stimulant, although I don't know how it would effect a dog with an overactive immune system. I own a dog with hemolytic anemia, on occasion his immune system attacks his RBC's, making him dangerously anemic. He has had 4 bouts of this and needed a transfusion each time... it kills them quickly without it, usually in a day or two if not caught early. I'm forced to give him prednisone and cyclosporine to suppress him immune system. I wish there was something out there that would stop his immune system from attacking him. I've tried proteolytic enzymes, probiotics, etc. His health is great but he still gets the attacks. I think it was triggered by a rabies shot about 6 years ago. His first bout happend about two months after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Well, one of the main causes of auto immune dysfunction is vaccinating. Rabies is the worst and you can get an exemption. A sick animal or child should never be vaxed! The manufacturers say this themselves!! I'm sure many, if not all of you are aware of this. It is deadly to human and animals and certainly a main cause of cancer, which is also auto immune. Keeping children and pets away from doctors and processed junk food is a major plus for allowing them to thrive, instead of suffer with chronic disease and die young. Classical homeopathy is excellent in getting the immune system working properly again. Nonie I'm always confused by auto-immune problems. I just think our system is NOT made to do this, ever. If it was normal then we'd all be dead. I just haven't figured out why the body does this. . Wrong intercellular communication. But how to get it all to start communicating again? I'm going to check out that mushroom product more. My friend that told me about it mentioned one other product that is suppose to do the same thing, but I can't think of it now. I'll have to talk to her again. Samala, Renee . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Absolutely. Vaccines are a huge trigger. I never vaccinate my animals unless absolutely necessary. I've read where if they must be vaccinated, as soon as you are out of the vets, to rub a cut lemon on the area of the shot. This is suppose to help neutralize the vaccine. Samala, Renee ---- Well, one of the main causes of auto immune dysfunction is vaccinating. Rabies is the worst and you can get an exemption. A sick animal or child should never be vaxed! The manufacturers say this themselves!! I'm sure many, if not all of you are aware of this. It is deadly to human and animals and certainly a main cause of cancer, which is also auto immune. Keeping children and pets away from doctors and processed junk food is a major plus for allowing them to thrive, instead of suffer with chronic disease and die young. Classical homeopathy is excellent in getting the immune system working properly again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 This is not true, Renee. Once the poison is injected, that is that. Classical homeopathy is about the best hope to cure the chronic disease that develops after. Of course, that depends on a really good homeopath. Very few and far between. I see no reason to ever vaccinate. There are always ways and the only legally mandated vax is rabies...no other is ever necessary! And, again, exemptions can be gotten from a moral vet. I started feeding raw in 1987. Are you on any of the rawfeeding groups? Nonie Absolutely. Vaccines are a huge trigger. I never vaccinate my animals unless absolutely necessary. I've read where if they must be vaccinated, as soon as you are out of the vets, to rub a cut lemon on the area of the shot. This is suppose to help neutralize te vaccine. Samala, Renee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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