Autoimmune question

[Guest guest]

Renee,

Colloidal silver is what is called for here. It will heal the dogs. Actually, colloidal silver is good for all animals and will heal whatever the problem. It is good for anything from infections to autoimmune disorders. I use it on my pets whenever any type of problem arises and it has never failed me. My pets are well in a matter of days, most of the time one or two days tops. As a preventative measure I put one teaspoon in their water but for an ill pet you can put one tablespoon, and also give them one tablespoon or even more of colloidal silver throughout the day. For an ill pet I will give them one tablespoon three times a day and it always works but you can most certainly give them more. They cannot overdose on colloidal silver.

Again, let me refer you to Utopia Silver . This is the highest quality colloidal silver there is. Again remember, as a member of this group inserting the Code LR001 gives you a 15% discount on any items not on sale. And I believe for new customers they are still giving two bottles for the price of one.

Colloidal silver kills all known bacteria and viruses including the ones resitant to antibiotics, such as MRSA, etc.

I cures parvo and rabies

It cures lyme disease.

And it will melt tumors off dogs. It did this for my nine year old Misty.

An added bonus is that it will give an older dog the enthusiasm and energy of a puppy. Again, my testimony is Misty, from a lethargic dog she now has all the strength, energy and vitality of a puppy.

I use colloidal silver myself also and it has spared me from pretty serious illness at times. However, we are talking about animals and for healing animals this is the answer.

Hugs,

 

-- In oleander soup , "Gaiacita" <gaiacita wrote:>> I have been reading on an herb list that I'm on about 2 dogs with both lyme> and an auto-immune disease. Most traditional medicine won't help. I've> suggested MMS and it seems to be helping one dog, but the other dog's vet> had told them that they were to avoid having the dog throw up. As MMS in> too large a dose is capable of doing that (not from the MMS itself, but from> the toxins from a too fast die-off of pathogens) they don't want to give MMS> I don't blame them. > > But I am wondering if 1) oleander is ok for dogs and cats to take and 2) how> would it effect an auto-immune disease? If oleander is an immune booster,> would it be contra indicated for auto-immune problems? > > A friend recently told me about a product by the same company that does that> expensive zeolite stuff that is made from mushrooms and some other things. > It is supposedly an adaptogen and again, supposedly, will level out the> immune system. If it is overactive (auto-immune) it will slow it down to> normal AND if it is underactive it will speed it up (like oleander would). > So I'm wondering if oleander is considered an adaptogen or is it strictly> something to kick the immune into high gear? > > Thanks > Renee>

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I'll pass this info on. I know many people on the herb list make their own CS.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

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Colloidal silver is what is called for here. It will heal the dogs.

[Guest guest]

Normally immune stimulants are not good ideas when a person has an

immune disorder where their own immune system attacks their body.

Oleander, however, appears to be an exception and has never been

observed to create a problem in such cases - instead it almost always

seems to help.

 

That is not merely my own observations - that information comes

directly from the makers of Anvirzel. Before anyone even thinks about

saying that might be self-serving for them to say so, stop and think

about it. Drug manufacturers might overstate their effectiveness and

understate their dangers, but they would be extremely unlikely to open

themselves to the liability of recommending their product for any

condition that they knew it would make worse! The makers of Anverzel,

btw, have never lied to me about their product a single time.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Gaiacita " <gaiacita wrote:

>

> I have been reading on an herb list that I'm on about 2 dogs with

both lyme

> and an auto-immune disease. Most traditional medicine won't help. I've

> suggested MMS and it seems to be helping one dog, but the other

dog's vet

> had told them that they were to avoid having the dog throw up. As

MMS in

> too large a dose is capable of doing that (not from the MMS itself,

but from

> the toxins from a too fast die-off of pathogens) they don't want to

give MMS

> I don't blame them.

>

> But I am wondering if 1) oleander is ok for dogs and cats to take

and 2) how

> would it effect an auto-immune disease? If oleander is an immune

booster,

> would it be contra indicated for auto-immune problems?

>

> A friend recently told me about a product by the same company that

does that

> expensive zeolite stuff that is made from mushrooms and some other

things.

> It is supposedly an adaptogen and again, supposedly, will level out the

> immune system. If it is overactive (auto-immune) it will slow it

down to

> normal AND if it is underactive it will speed it up (like oleander

would).

> So I'm wondering if oleander is considered an adaptogen or is it

strictly

> something to kick the immune into high gear?

>

> Thanks

> Renee

>

[Guest guest]

Well, this is a good thing to know. Then it's basically an adaptogen, and practically free besides if you live in oleander country. This is exciting. I'm really glad I found this list. It seems that oleander would be one supplement that almost everyone should be on, not only as a cancer preventative, but just as an all round immune support. And who doesn't need that?

 

Samala,

Renee

 

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Oleander, however, appears to be an exception and has never been

observed to create a problem in such cases - instead it almost always

seems to help.

 

[Guest guest]

I would not hesitate to give my dog colloidal silver for just about

any problem. Immune type problems would call for a bit of oleander

extract and for cancer itself I would be sure to use the silver, the

oleander AND most certainly Inositol/IP6. Trace minerals are not a

bad idea either, but take it easy. Dogs instinctively get missing

minerals, vitamins and more from eating grass and other vegetation,

and trace minerals typically include arsenic, mercury and aluminum (in

very, very tiny amounts).

 

 

 

oleander soup , " bbanever " <bbanever wrote:

>

> Tammatha,

>

> Please let me know how you make out with the oleander for your

dog. I don't think mine has Cushings, at least not yet. He is on the

prednisone but it isn't permanent.... will be on it for a few months

in decreasing dosages. The same for the cyclosporine (Atopica).

Since these are immunosuppressants, I worry about cancer as a side

effect, but I'll have to deal with that if it arises. This is the

fourth time he's been on these meds. His diet and supplements

hopefully will address the issues of iatragenic diseases

preventatively. I'm going to add some colloidal silver in his water.

I had given it to him in the past, but not steadily. Good luck.

>

> Bob

> -

> Tammatha

> oleander soup

> Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:18 PM

> [!! SPAM] Re: Re: Re: Autoimmune question

>

>

> Bob,

> I'm going to start my dog on the OPC in addition to using it

myself. I emailed Marc about his thoughts on using it for my dog and

he felt it would be beneficial. He was diagnosed with Cushings three

days ago and has arthritis. I'm not too keen on starting him on the

recommended drug of choice for the Cushings from the conventional vet.

I too have him on many supplements as well along with the raw organic

no grain food, enzymes, probiotics liver herbs, trace minerals,

sockeye salmon oil, etc. With Cushings one of the symptoms is a yucky,

patchy, balding, brittle coat my boy has a lusterous, shiny coat at 12

yrs old. Goes too show you a raw food diet definately helps all us

mammals. I won't vaccinate him either, I stopped about eight years

ago. Let you know if I see an improvement in him after taking the OPC.

>

> Tammatha

>

> -

> bbanever

> oleander soup

> Saturday, May 24, 2008 6:42 PM

> Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Re: Autoimmune question

>

>

>

> Nonie,

>

> I now (after the fact) have an exemption for rabies vax by

the state and my vet. I had to take a rabies titer to prove he didn't

need one... it was VERY high (24), so he certainly does not need a

rabies vax. I do think this was the cause of his hemolytic anemia.

Now what to do about it? I've started him on Australian Flower

Remedies Auto-Immune ANEMIA ABFE, made from Bluebell, Green Essence,

Kapok Bush, Little Flannel Flower, Macrocarpa, and Flannel Flower.

This is available from Copper Tree. Tele#613-623-3630. They also

have a web site. I haven't started him on the oleander just yet

because he is doing so well... although this is no indication that the

condition is cured. He usually does well for 8 - 10 months between

bouts anyway. You would never know he was ill.. he runs around and

plays like a puppy until the anemia strikes. Now I think emotional

upset might trigger it, although it's just a guess on my part. I

thought the proteolytic enzymes might work because the body attacks

his RBC's for a reason... maybe due to viral, bacterial, or parasitic

disease on the surface of them. Nobody knows, but the proteolytic

enzymes would help digest foreign proteins on their surface. I

thought it was working until he had his last bout... so obviously I'm

back to square one again. I'll let the board know if I use oleander

in addition to everything else I'm doing (green grass powder, enzymes,

probiotics, organic foods only, milk thistle extract for his liver,

etc.). He's probably the healthiest " sick " dog on the planet!

>

> Bob

> -

> Nonie Masterson

> oleander soup

> Saturday, May 24, 2008 3:58 PM

> [!! SPAM] Re: Re: Autoimmune question

>

>

> Well, one of the main causes of auto immune dysfunction is

vaccinating. Rabies is the worst and you can get an exemption. A sick

animal or child should never be vaxed! The manufacturers say this

themselves!! I'm sure many, if not all of you are aware of this. It is

deadly to human and animals and certainly a main cause of cancer,

which is also auto immune. Keeping children and pets away from doctors

and processed junk food is a major plus for allowing them to thrive,

instead of suffer with chronic disease and die young. Classical

homeopathy is excellent in getting the immune system working properly

again.

> Nonie

>

> I'm always confused by auto-immune problems. I just

think our system is NOT made to do this, ever. If it was normal then

we'd all be dead. I just haven't figured out why the body does this.

. Wrong intercellular communication. But how to get it all to start

communicating again? I'm going to check out that mushroom product

more. My friend that told me about it mentioned one other product

that is suppose to do the same thing, but I can't think of it now.

I'll have to talk to her again.

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

>

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

I'm in south Texas. They told me it was against the law to visit, and here they can only quarantine at home IF the dog has already had a rabies shot, and then bitten someone. If you can't prove a shot, they take the dog to a vet.

 

 

Samala,

Renee

[Guest guest]

I too, would absolutely avoid ALL vaccines. They were part of the

reason my daughter had migraine headaches everyday. The mercury they

put in them (along with the junk that I passed on to her through

pregnancy since I ground my amalgam-filled teeth for years) caused

inflammation of the brain aka chronic meningitis.

 

One parent of an autistic child said the headbanging they do is

because of pain. These kids cannot detoxify mercury very well and it

causes the same inflammation. Some of them are literally going crazy

due to pain and can't express it.

 

Just out of principle I would not support any company that

manufacturers such products as vaccines. They are entirely

unnecessary and downright dangerous for most people and the more toxic

our world becomes, the more harm they do. Of course, this is just my

opinion and I highly recommend you do your own research. Start with

googling vaccine ingredients. It's immoral if you ask me what they

inject babies with. Sigh, if only there had been internet like today

when I was a new Mom. Past age one, we never vaccinated and NEVER

will again. Not me, not her, not my dog either.

 

Surprisingly, we never get sick and my dog is the picture of health

compared to the sickly looking things I see when I'm out. She's never

seen a vet, has no body odor, no doggie breath, no skin issues, has a

shiny healthy coat, etc.

 

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen

 

oleander soup , " bbanever " <bbanever wrote:

>

> Travis,

>

> If I were you I'd refuse the tetanus vaccine. It's made on

eggs, so if you're allergic to them it can be dangerous. Also, it

contains both mercury and formaldehyde as preservatives. Not

something you would want to put into your body. Tetanus is good for

at least ten years, and some say once is enough for a lifetime of

immunity. Something to think about. Unless you stepped on a rusty

nail or got bit by a snake or something, I'd just refuse it. This is

all just my opinion of course.

> -

> Travis Sorensen

> oleander soup

> Monday, May 26, 2008 1:53 PM

> Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Autoimmune question

>

>

>

> As far as human vaccinations go the only safe vaccination is

a tetanus shot correct? Or do you guys refuse that even? Are they

dangerous as well? I just want to know if I should refuse that the

next time i'm due. I am a 36 year old guy. After all the reading I

have done about the dangers of vaccines I have refused to get a flu

shot for the last 3 years even though my doctor always tries to push

it. And guess what all 3 years now I have not even had the flu

anyways. Just a cold once a year. Anyone know if there are any shots

that you DON'T want to avoid though like a tetanus shot or should

EVERY shot be avoided? Are there ever exceptions or no?

>

> Thanks in advance! :-)

> --- On Mon, 5/26/08, cyndiann9 <cyndiann9 wrote:

>

> cyndiann9 <cyndiann9

> Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Autoimmune question

> oleander soup

> Monday, May 26, 2008, 9:21 AM

>

>

> Tammatha wrote:

> >

> > I do know all about the dangers of vaccines, which is

why I don't do

> > it. My county requires a yearly rabies, as the decision

was left up

> > to each county, even though Texas law says every 3 years

is fine.

> >

> > My girl is 2 years old. I'm having her spayed because

she's large

> > and it's a mess every 6 months. She seems to stay in

heat for 2 to

> > 3 weeks, blood all over as she's allowed on the

furniture. She's 50

> > pounds so it's lots of blood. I bought panties for her

and she was

> > great about wearing them, which alleviated much of the

mess--until

> > she chewed through the panty one day just before her

heat ended. As

> > I have no intentions of breeding her I see no reason to

keep her

> > intact. I have read the health issues, which is why I

have waited

> > this long.

>

> Did you read this one? It presents the facts on both sides

of this.

> http://www.naiaonli ne.org/pdfs/ LongTermHealthEf

fectsOfSpayNeute rInDogs.pdf

>

> At times there are reasons to spay but I'm one that tries

all options

> before that happens because of the risks.

>

> >

> > I don't like even rabies vaccinations, but am willing to

do this

> > once, and then get titer tests after that. My reason

being that I

> > have had a run-in with non rabies vac and my other dog.

>

> You should try a titers test before you have the shot. The

titers will

> only tell you if the dog has been exposed recently, and

sometimes a dog

> will have a natural immunity but hasn't been around

another dog to

> stimulate the antibodies. Dogs can have that immunity

without the shot.

> Dogs can have immunity and not show it on at titers test.

>

> >

> > He was about 10 at the time, and had never had

arthritis. We got up

> > one morning and he couldn't move. Being as how he had

never done

> > this before, or shown signs of arthritis, I didn't know what

> > was wrong and took him to the vet. We carried him in as

he couldn't

> > walk (hurt too much). When the girl came to take him in

back she

> > bent right down by his face to lift him up. I told her

not to do

> > that as he bites strangers. She laughed and said she

would be

> > fine. So we had to leave him for blood work. In about a

half hour

> > I get a phone call asking if he had his rabies shot. I

say no,

> > why. They said that when the girl went to stick him for

blood he

> > bit her, and without a rabies paper they had to

quarantine him for

> > 10 days. They did it at their expense because I had

warned them,

> > but still--my poor dog was kept there for 10 days and we

weren't

> > even ! allowed to visit him--against the law they said.

He had been

> > in pain and we dropped him off, and as far as he was

concerned he

> > must have thought we abandoned him and were not coming

back. Even

> > though the arthritis pain had gone away by the time we

got him back,

> > he looked as if he had aged years, and acted that way, all

> > depressed, for months. I was so angry but there was

absolutely

> > nothing I could do.

>

> What state are you in? Here in Florida we are allowed to

quarantine in

> our own homes and have the dog with us, just away from the

other dogs.

> I'm so sorry you and the dog had to go through that,

especially when it

> is most likely that there was no law against you seeing him.

>

> >

> > So I'm always nervous about the girl not having her

shots, just in

> > case someone got bit, or some stupid accident that

wasn't even her

> > fault happened, she'd be the one to be blamed. I will

allow the

> > one rabies shot, which is all that is required by law

here. Then

> > have her fixed.

>

> I've had that happen. My dog was quarantined at home and

made to get the

> shot. I think a part of the reason they were reasonable

with me was that

> I had adopted the dog from their shelter with them knowing

he had bit

> someone previously. He is now dying of heart failure,

which very well

> may be due to the shots.

>

> Cyndi

>

> >

> > My dog is healthy. Zero problems.

> >

> > Samala,

> > Renee

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks to all who have posted on viccinations. My doctor wanted to give me two today. I said i need nothing that interferes with my immune system!

Bill.

 

 

-

Sharon

oleander soup

2008-05-26 17:45

Re: Autoimmune question

 

 

I too, would absolutely avoid ALL vaccines. They were part of thereason my daughter had migraine headaches everyday. The mercury theyput in them (along with the junk that I passed on to her throughpregnancy since I ground my amalgam-filled teeth for years) causedinflammation of the brain aka chronic meningitis.One parent of an autistic child said the headbanging they do isbecause of pain. These kids cannot detoxify mercury very well and itcauses the same inflammation. Some of them are literally going crazydue to pain and can't express it.Just out of principle I would not support any company thatmanufacturers such products as vaccines. They are entirelyunnecessary and downright dangerous for most people and the more toxicour world becomes, the more harm they do. Of course, this is just myopinion and I highly recommend you do your own research. Start withgoogling vaccine ingredients. It's immoral if you ask me what theyinject babies with. Sigh, if only there had been internet like todaywhen I was a new Mom. Past age one, we never vaccinated and NEVERwill again. Not me, not her, not my dog either. Surprisingly, we never get sick and my dog is the picture of healthcompared to the sickly looking things I see when I'm out. She's neverseen a vet, has no body odor, no doggie breath, no skin issues, has ashiny healthy coat, etc. Sharon Hoehnerwww.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen oleander soup , "bbanever" <bbanever wrote:>> Travis,> > If I were you I'd refuse the tetanus vaccine. It's made oneggs, so if you're allergic to them it can be dangerous. Also, itcontains both mercury and formaldehyde as preservatives. Notsomething you would want to put into your body. Tetanus is good forat least ten years, and some say once is enough for a lifetime ofimmunity. Something to think about. Unless you stepped on a rustynail or got bit by a snake or something, I'd just refuse it. This isall just my opinion of course. > - > Travis Sorensen > oleander soup > Monday, May 26, 2008 1:53 PM> Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Autoimmune question> > > > As far as human vaccinations go the only safe vaccination isa tetanus shot correct? Or do you guys refuse that even? Are theydangerous as well? I just want to know if I should refuse that thenext time i'm due. I am a 36 year old guy. After all the reading Ihave done about the dangers of vaccines I have refused to get a flushot for the last 3 years even though my doctor always tries to pushit. And guess what all 3 years now I have not even had the fluanyways. Just a cold once a year. Anyone know if there are any shotsthat you DON'T want to avoid though like a tetanus shot or shouldEVERY shot be avoided? Are there ever exceptions or no?> > Thanks in advance! :-)> --- On Mon, 5/26/08, cyndiann9 <cyndiann9 wrote:> > cyndiann9 <cyndiann9> Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Autoimmune question> oleander soup > Monday, May 26, 2008, 9:21 AM> > > Tammatha wrote:> > > > I do know all about the dangers of vaccines, which iswhy I don't do> > it. My county requires a yearly rabies, as the decisionwas left up> > to each county, even though Texas law says every 3 yearsis fine. > > > > My girl is 2 years old. I'm having her spayed becauseshe's large> > and it's a mess every 6 months. She seems to stay inheat for 2 to> > 3 weeks, blood all over as she's allowed on thefurniture. She's 50> > pounds so it's lots of blood. I bought panties for herand she was> > great about wearing them, which alleviated much of themess--until> > she chewed through the panty one day just before herheat ended. As> > I have no intentions of breeding her I see no reason tokeep her> > intact. I have read the health issues, which is why Ihave waited> > this long. > > Did you read this one? It presents the facts on both sidesof this.> http://www.naiaonli ne.org/pdfs/ LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeute rInDogs.pdf> > At times there are reasons to spay but I'm one that triesall options > before that happens because of the risks.> > > > > I don't like even rabies vaccinations, but am willing todo this> > once, and then get titer tests after that. My reasonbeing that I> > have had a run-in with non rabies vac and my other dog.> > You should try a titers test before you have the shot. Thetiters will > only tell you if the dog has been exposed recently, andsometimes a dog > will have a natural immunity but hasn't been aroundanother dog to > stimulate the antibodies. Dogs can have that immunitywithout the shot. > Dogs can have immunity and not show it on at titers test.> > > > > He was about 10 at the time, and had never hadarthritis. We got up> > one morning and he couldn't move. Being as how he hadnever done> > this before, or shown signs of arthritis, I didn't know what> > was wrong and took him to the vet. We carried him in ashe couldn't> > walk (hurt too much). When the girl came to take him inback she> > bent right down by his face to lift him up. I told hernot to do> > that as he bites strangers. She laughed and said shewould be> > fine. So we had to leave him for blood work. In about ahalf hour> > I get a phone call asking if he had his rabies shot. Isay no,> > why. They said that when the girl went to stick him forblood he> > bit her, and without a rabies paper they had toquarantine him for> > 10 days. They did it at their expense because I hadwarned them,> > but still--my poor dog was kept there for 10 days and weweren't> > even ! allowed to visit him--against the law they said.He had been> > in pain and we dropped him off, and as far as he wasconcerned he> > must have thought we abandoned him and were not comingback. Even> > though the arthritis pain had gone away by the time wegot him back,> > he looked as if he had aged years, and acted that way, all> > depressed, for months. I was so angry but there wasabsolutely> > nothing I could do. > > What state are you in? Here in Florida we are allowed toquarantine in > our own homes and have the dog with us, just away from theother dogs. > I'm so sorry you and the dog had to go through that,especially when it > is most likely that there was no law against you seeing him.> > > > > So I'm always nervous about the girl not having hershots, just in> > case someone got bit, or some stupid accident thatwasn't even her> > fault happened, she'd be the one to be blamed. I willallow the> > one rabies shot, which is all that is required by lawhere. Then> > have her fixed. > > I've had that happen. My dog was quarantined at home andmade to get the > shot. I think a part of the reason they were reasonablewith me was that > I had adopted the dog from their shelter with them knowinghe had bit > someone previously. He is now dying of heart failure,which very well > may be due to the shots.> > Cyndi> > > > > My dog is healthy. Zero problems. > > > > Samala,> > Renee>