Oleander and MMS

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if oleander and MMS are compatible and can be taken at the same time, meaning different times on the same day.

 

MMS, for those that don't know, can be read about at

www.miraclemineral.org It is a potent virus, bacteria and fungus killer. It does nothing to actually detox the body, so the body should be supported with chelators and liver supports to help it get rid of the toxins that come when MMS kills these things. Supposedly, after the pathogens are killed, MMS does have some immune support abilities, but nothing like oleander.

 

So, would taking MMS to kill pathogens directly, and also taking Oleander which supports and kicks in the immune system, be a good combo?

 

MMS is sodium chlorite, which when mixed with an acid like lemon juice, becomes chlorine dioxide. In the miniscule amounts taken, when the chlorine dioxide breaks down in the body, it reverts back to simple salt. No toxic residue.

 

Samala,

Renee

[Guest guest]

Absolutely Renee, Oleander is compatible with all supplements.

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , " Gaiacita " <gaiacita wrote:

>

> I'm wondering if oleander and MMS are compatible and can be taken

at the

> same time, meaning different times on the same day.

>

> MMS, for those that don't know, can be read about at

> www.miraclemineral.org It is a potent virus, bacteria and fungus

killer.

> It does nothing to actually detox the body, so the body should be

supported

> with chelators and liver supports to help it get rid of the toxins

that come

> when MMS kills these things. Supposedly, after the pathogens are

killed,

> MMS does have some immune support abilities, but nothing like

oleander.

>

> So, would taking MMS to kill pathogens directly, and also taking

Oleander

> which supports and kicks in the immune system, be a good combo?

>

> MMS is sodium chlorite, which when mixed with an acid like lemon

juice,

> becomes chlorine dioxide. In the miniscule amounts taken, when the

chlorine

> dioxide breaks down in the body, it reverts back to simple salt.

No toxic

> residue.

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

[Guest guest]

Well, MMS is called a mineral supplement, but it's not actually that. Very different. I think the developer called it that to get more people interested. When they hear that it turns into chlorine (a cousin to bleach) most people panic at the thought of ingesting it, so I think the name makes it more friendly. It is an oxidant. Is oleander an oxidant or anti-oxidant?

 

Samala,

Renee

 

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Absolutely Renee, Oleander is compatible with all supplements.

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Renee,

 

Olender is most definitely an antioxidant.

 

Thank you for your information and link on MMS. I have heard a lot

about it, but not in so much detail. I will read up on it.

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , " Gaiacita " <gaiacita wrote:

>

> Well, MMS is called a mineral supplement, but it's not actually

that. Very

> different. I think the developer called it that to get more people

> interested. When they hear that it turns into chlorine (a cousin

to bleach)

> most people panic at the thought of ingesting it, so I think the

name makes

> it more friendly. It is an oxidant. Is oleander an oxidant or

> anti-oxidant?

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> Absolutely Renee, Oleander is compatible with all supplements.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi .

 

Then they would have to be taken independently, far apart. It has proven good to do anti-oxidants during the day and take MMS right before bed and allow it to work while sleeping. It lasts for up to 12 before being completely used up in the body.

 

To see the full spectrum of what MMS can do, go to the link and download the free ebook and then pop for the $10 and get the second half of the book. The second half is not necessary as it deals a lot with making your own MMS, but it does list many diseases that it works on, and how to use it for that.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

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Olender is most definitely an antioxidant.

 

Thank you for your information and link on MMS. I have heard a lot

about it, but not in so much detail. I will read up on it.

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you Renee. I will read up on this.

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , " Gaiacita " <gaiacita wrote:

>

> Hi .

>

> Then they would have to be taken independently, far apart. It has

proven

> good to do anti-oxidants during the day and take MMS right before

bed and

> allow it to work while sleeping. It lasts for up to 12 before being

> completely used up in the body.

>

> To see the full spectrum of what MMS can do, go to the link and

download the

> free ebook and then pop for the $10 and get the second half of the

book.

> The second half is not necessary as it deals a lot with making your

own MMS,

> but it does list many diseases that it works on, and how to use it

for that.

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

> ----

>

>

> Olender is most definitely an antioxidant.

>

> Thank you for your information and link on MMS. I have heard a lot

> about it, but not in so much detail. I will read up on it.

>

[Guest guest]

At one time I was considering making my own MMS and perhaps marketing

it. Certainly it is a compelling story and has some impressive

testimonials. What it also has, however, is a great deal of

controversy and I see posts far and wide on the net that people have

tried it without the desired results (though there seems to be an

almost universal effect of removing age spots).

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Gaiacita " <gaiacita wrote:

>

> Well, MMS is called a mineral supplement, but it's not actually

that. Very

> different. I think the developer called it that to get more people

> interested. When they hear that it turns into chlorine (a cousin to

bleach)

> most people panic at the thought of ingesting it, so I think the

name makes

> it more friendly. It is an oxidant. Is oleander an oxidant or

> anti-oxidant?

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> Absolutely Renee, Oleander is compatible with all supplements.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Tony. I have been making it since September last year. It truly is remarkable stuff, but as with anything else, it doesn't work for every single person. But for most people--yes, it certainly does work. It is not a miracle cure, and it takes time and understanding on how to use it, but the 2 I am in the majority of the members have seen remarkable results. I have personally seen it in my pets and in myself and in others I have recommended it to. People are always asking "will it cure my cancer" or other disease, and they want a time limit, to which both answers are impossible to give. It depends on how they use it, what their problem is, how they react to it. But used correctly, it has a most beneficial effect for the greater majority of people. I also personally know a few people that absolutely cannot use it. So I am always giving the caution to go sloooowly and see how your own body reacts to it.

 

We think we've figured out the greatest debate. When it first hit the net by storm, everyone was expecting over night miracles, because Jim states that it cures malaria in just 4 hours. No one here was seeing that type of result. In talking for a few months about this we've basically come to the conclusion (right or wrong :-) that those results are seen in the African natives because they are not exposed to the daily, years (and sometimes life long) morass of chemicals, toxins and pathogens that we in America and Europe are. It's in our foods, water, air, clothing, house hold supplies, etc. So it seems that 1) we cannot tolerate the huge first doses that the natives do and 2) our bodies are so much more toxic than theirs that we have to go slower and take longer.

 

At least that's about the only reason we can come up with. Makes sense. Most members of the list that try MMS have multiple health problems they are trying to fix, not "just" malaria. Some people are so toxic they have to start with just one drop as more is too strong.

 

Personally, I would not be without MMS. I no longer take it on a daily basis as I don't need it, but do use it as a preventative, as I will be doing with the oleander. I think they will make a good compliment. Soup during the day and MMS at night.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

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At one time I was considering making my own MMS and perhaps marketing

it. Certainly it is a compelling story and has some impressive

testimonials. What it also has, however, is a great deal of

controversy and I see posts far and wide on the net that people have

tried it without the desired results (though there seems to be an

almost universal effect of removing age spots).

 

[Guest guest]

Which mms is best to buy because I have

those age spots on my face-it’s ugly.

 

 

 

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Sunday, May 25, 2008 10:39

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oleander soup

[sPAM] Re:

Oleander and MMS

 

 

 

 

 

At one time I was considering making my own MMS and

perhaps marketing

it. Certainly it is a compelling story and has some impressive

testimonials. What it also has, however, is a great deal of

controversy and I see posts far and wide on the net that people have

tried it without the desired results (though there seems to be an

almost universal effect of removing age spots).

 

 

oleander soup ,

" Gaiacita " <gaiacita wrote:

>

> Well, MMS is called a mineral supplement, but it's not actually

that. Very

> different. I think the developer called it that to get more people

> interested. When they hear that it turns into chlorine (a cousin to

bleach)

> most people panic at the thought of ingesting it, so I think the

name makes

> it more friendly. It is an oxidant. Is oleander an oxidant or

> anti-oxidant?

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> Absolutely Renee, Oleander is compatible with all supplements.

>

[Guest guest]

Um, only a very few people on the 2 MMS lists have ever said that age spots reversed. In fact, there are 2 ladies that have said that the oxidation of the MMS in the body has aged their faces, but that they are taking massive amounts of anti-oxidents to help reverse this, though they feel the aging look is a small price to pay for their greatly increased health.

 

I have not noticed it removing any age spots on me. Perhaps I'm not taking it in sufficient amount. But if you are going to take it just to remove spots, even though I sell MMS, I would advise you to look into other products. MMS can be hard to take, especially if you get sick on it. Then the smell alone can make you sick again. It smells like chlorine when it is mixed, and has a strong flavor that most people must mask to be able to get down. If you want the MMS for health purposes, great--then age spot removal MIGHT be a side benefit.

 

Age spots come from an over burdened liver. Hence the name liver spots. If you are only concerned with age spots you'd be much better off doing a few liver cleanses and taking fresh ground milk thistle seeds. There are some lightening creams that are said to work, and some people find that rubbing a fresh cut lemon on their skin helps lighten the spots. I think the very best method is liver cleanses though.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

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Which mms is best to buy because I have those age spots on my face-it’s ugly.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am not sure which is best - in theory they should all be the same. I

believe one of our members sells it.

 

Oleander skin creme also gets rid of age spots, as well as warts,

moles and pre-cancerous lesions. Perhaps even skin cancers. But it

does take time and you have to be persistent and consistent in

applying it. Much to my regret, I grew impatient and tried the black

salve on some spots on my face instead. I think the way that stuff

works is that it eats a hole in anything it touches!

 

 

oleander soup , " Michelle Z " <Yahsway wrote:

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> Which mms is best to buy because I have those age spots on my face-it's

> ugly.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> oleander soup

oleander soup On

> Behalf Of > Sunday, May 25, 2008 10:39 AM

> oleander soup

> [sPAM] Re: Oleander and MMS

>

>

>

> At one time I was considering making my own MMS and perhaps marketing

> it. Certainly it is a compelling story and has some impressive

> testimonials. What it also has, however, is a great deal of

> controversy and I see posts far and wide on the net that people have

> tried it without the desired results (though there seems to be an

> almost universal effect of removing age spots).

>

> >

> oleander soup@ <oleander soup%40>

> , " Gaiacita " <gaiacita@> wrote:

> >

> > Well, MMS is called a mineral supplement, but it's not actually

> that. Very

> > different. I think the developer called it that to get more people

> > interested. When they hear that it turns into chlorine (a cousin to

> bleach)

> > most people panic at the thought of ingesting it, so I think the

> name makes

> > it more friendly. It is an oxidant. Is oleander an oxidant or

> > anti-oxidant?

> >

> > Samala,

> > Renee

> >

> > ----

> >

> > Absolutely Renee, Oleander is compatible with all supplements.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

They should all be exactly the same because there is a very strict recipe to follow when making it. I do sell it for $15 a bottle plus $7 shipping and it is made strictly according to Jim Humble's recipe. Which, like oleander soup, there's only one recipe of. :-)

 

I do want to boil some of the soup down to make a cream. Next project.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

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I am not sure which is best - in theory they should all be the same. I

believe one of our members sells it.

 

[Guest guest]

There is a raging and not at all friendly debate at the CureZone MMS

debate forum. About the only thing they agree on is the age spots.

As you report, even that may be wrong.

 

All spots that are called age spots are not liver spots, though a

healthy liver will go a long way in keeping the skin spot free.

 

I would say that an aging face is a HUGE price to pay if there is

something else that does the same thing or better and actually helps

the skin. In many instances that may well be oleander. It certainly

is when it comes to cancer, hepatitis and diabetes.

 

For some good information about helping your skin and skin conditions,

see my remedies page:

 

/remedies.htm

 

 

oleander soup , " Gaiacita " <gaiacita wrote:

>

> Um, only a very few people on the 2 MMS lists have ever said that

age spots

> reversed. In fact, there are 2 ladies that have said that the

oxidation of

> the MMS in the body has aged their faces, but that they are taking

massive

> amounts of anti-oxidents to help reverse this, though they feel the

aging

> look is a small price to pay for their greatly increased health.

>

> I have not noticed it removing any age spots on me. Perhaps I'm not

taking

> it in sufficient amount. But if you are going to take it just to remove

> spots, even though I sell MMS, I would advise you to look into other

> products. MMS can be hard to take, especially if you get sick on

it. Then

> the smell alone can make you sick again. It smells like chlorine

when it is

> mixed, and has a strong flavor that most people must mask to be able

to get

> down. If you want the MMS for health purposes, great--then age spot

removal

> MIGHT be a side benefit.

>

> Age spots come from an over burdened liver. Hence the name liver

spots. If

> you are only concerned with age spots you'd be much better off doing

a few

> liver cleanses and taking fresh ground milk thistle seeds. There

are some

> lightening creams that are said to work, and some people find that

rubbing a

> fresh cut lemon on their skin helps lighten the spots. I think the very

> best method is liver cleanses though.

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> Which mms is best to buy because I have those age spots on my

face-it's ugly

>

[Guest guest]

Well, not too many people know of oleander. Just 2 days ago I posted a big article about oleander to the lists, but only 3, people have asked for directions on making it!! I would have thought there'd be more.

 

The 2 ladies seem to be content with the ageing, stating that they have reversed the effects by taking lots of anti-oxidents, and that having to do that balancing thing between the MMS oxident and the anti oxidents is worth it because they feel better than they have for years. Whether either of them will try the oleander or not <shrug>. I've told the groups and hope that some of them will join the list at least.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

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I would say that an aging face is a HUGE price to pay if there is

something else that does the same thing or better and actually helps

the skin. In many instances that may well be oleander. It certainly

is when it comes to cancer, hepatitis and diabetes.

 

[Guest guest]

What you mean - mms removes age spots? do you apply to the skin/ or you drink it?

here we go again about age and beauty LOL !!!!

regards Mary

 

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Tony

oleander soup

Monday, May 26, 2008 12:39 AM

Re: Oleander and MMS

 

 

At one time I was considering making my own MMS and perhaps marketingit. Certainly it is a compelling story and has some impressivetestimonials. What it also has, however, is a great deal ofcontroversy and I see posts far and wide on the net that people havetried it without the desired results (though there seems to be analmost universal effect of removing age spots).Tonyoleander soup , "Gaiacita" <gaiacita wrote:>> Well, MMS is called a mineral supplement, but it's not actuallythat. Very> different. I think the developer called it that to get more people> interested. When they hear that it turns into chlorine (a cousin tobleach)> most people panic at the thought of ingesting it, so I think thename makes> it more friendly. It is an oxidant. Is oleander an oxidant or> anti-oxidant?> > Samala,> Renee> > ----> > Absolutely Renee, Oleander is compatible with all supplements.>

[Guest guest]

Renee, I didnt ask for directions but I did want to know more. Im a little leary of drinking a known poison.but here I am at oleander soup. Laura IN NCGaiacita <gaiacita wrote: Well, not too many people know of oleander. Just 2 days ago I

posted a big article about oleander to the lists, but only 3, people have asked for directions on making it!! I would have thought there'd be more. The 2 ladies seem to be content with the ageing, stating that they have reversed the effects by taking lots of anti-oxidents, and that having to do that balancing thing between the MMS oxident and the anti oxidents is worth it because they feel better than they have for years. Whether either of them will try the oleander or not <shrug>. I've told the groups and hope that some of them will join the list at least. Samala, Renee ---- I would say that an aging face is a HUGE price to pay if there is something else that does the same thing or better and actually helps the skin. In many instances that may well be oleander. It certainly is when it comes to cancer, hepatitis and diabetes.

[Guest guest]

Hi Laura,

I understand your concern. Yet, even though oleander is toxic in its raw state, it loses its toxicity when properly cooked. Actually, getting the oleander supplement from Sutherlandia OPC will insure of its safety and also take the hassle out of making the recipe.

Hugs,

 

oleander soup , Laura Wilkins <montemomma2002 wrote:>> Renee, I didnt ask for directions but I did want to know more. Im a little leary of drinking a known poison.but here I am at oleander soup.> Laura IN NC> > Gaiacita gaiacita wrote:> Well, not too many people know of oleander. Just 2 days ago I posted a big article about oleander to the lists, but only 3, people have asked for directions on making it!! I would have thought there'd be more.> > The 2 ladies seem to be content with the ageing, stating that they have reversed the effects by taking lots of anti-oxidents, and that having to do that balancing thing between the MMS oxident and the anti oxidents is worth it because they feel better than they have for years. Whether either of them will try the oleander or not <shrug>. I've told the groups and hope that some of them will join the list at least.> > Samala,> Renee> > ----> > I would say that an aging face is a HUGE price to pay if there is> something else that does the same thing or better and actually helps> the skin. In many instances that may well be oleander. It certainly> is when it comes to cancer, hepatitis and diabetes.>

[Guest guest]

Ah, but correctly made soup is not poisonous. :-) You'll find lots of great information here, and don't hesitate to ask questions. Everyone is VERY helpful. So welcome Laura.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

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Renee, I didnt ask for directions but I did want to know more. Im a little leary of drinking a known poison.but here I am at oleander soup.

[Guest guest]

Do NOT apply straight MMS to the skin!! It can cause severe damage. I'm helping a lady on another list that did that, thinking it would remove a wart, and now has chemical burns.

 

Straight MMS is safe to put on a burn IF YOU WASH IT OFF WITHIN 30 SECONDS. As a matter of fact, it can neutralize fire based burns so that there is no blistering at all, if you apply straight from the bottle MMS right after a burn. But it must be washed off within 30 seconds or you will make the burn worse. The liquid to wash it off can be anything handy--water, soda pop, milk, anything. But if you don't wash it off you are asking for major trouble.

 

Straight MMS, left on the skin longer than the 30 seconds, will make chemical burns that can be very severe.

 

ACTIVATED MMS, on the other hand, can be applied safely to most skin. Some people are still sensitive to it and will develop a rash, or redness, so test yourself first on a small area to see. Still, I think there are far better things to use externally than AMMS (activated MMS).

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

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What you mean - mms removes age spots? do you apply to the skin/ or you drink it?

here we go again about age and beauty LOL !!!!

regards Mary

 

[Guest guest]

Renee like you im helping a lady with spots on her hands and little money for other products, and yes i know how to activate the mms, i just that i dint know it removes spots, and since i have the mms i thought we can used it.

thanks for the post.

hugs Mary

 

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Gaiacita

oleander soup

Monday, May 26, 2008 2:33 PM

Re: Re: Oleander and MMS

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do NOT apply straight MMS to the skin!! It can cause severe damage. I'm helping a lady on another list that did that, thinking it would remove a wart, and now has chemical burns.

 

Straight MMS is safe to put on a burn IF YOU WASH IT OFF WITHIN 30 SECONDS. As a matter of fact, it can neutralize fire based burns so that there is no blistering at all, if you apply straight from the bottle MMS right after a burn. But it must be washed off within 30 seconds or you will make the burn worse. The liquid to wash it off can be anything handy--water, soda pop, milk, anything. But if you don't wash it off you are asking for major trouble.

 

Straight MMS, left on the skin longer than the 30 seconds, will make chemical burns that can be very severe.

 

ACTIVATED MMS, on the other hand, can be applied safely to most skin. Some people are still sensitive to it and will develop a rash, or redness, so test yourself first on a small area to see. Still, I think there are far better things to use externally than AMMS (activated MMS).

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

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What you mean - mms removes age spots? do you apply to the skin/ or you drink it?

here we go again about age and beauty LOL !!!!

regards Mary

 

[Guest guest]

It MAY remove spots. It does for some people, not for others. But if used correctly it is worth a try.

 

Good luck

Renee

 

 

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Renee like you im helping a lady with spots on her hands and little money for other products,

[Guest guest]

i totally agry with you Renee.

hugs Mary

 

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Gaiacita

oleander soup

Tuesday, May 27, 2008 1:10 PM

Re: Re: Oleander and MMS

 

 

 

 

 

 

It MAY remove spots. It does for some people, not for others. But if used correctly it is worth a try.

 

Good luck

Renee

 

 

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Renee like you im helping a lady with spots on her hands and little money for other products,

[Guest guest]

MMS for burns? Why not just use coconut oil? No risk at all. No blisters, no scars if you cover it with the co and put a gauze or sock over the burn overnight. Melly

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I'm still looking for that magic bullet too--that whole age reversal thing, don't 'cha know. When I find it, you'll be the first to know. :-)

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

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I totally agry with you Renee.

hugs Mary

 

[Guest guest]

There's no risk with MMS if your rinse it off in 30 seconds. Remember that and it is perfectly safe to use. No need to cover anything overnight either. One man on the list burnt his leg on a motorcycle pipe, poured MMS over it, rinsed it off and there was nothing--barely even a red spot developed, let alone no blisters or scaring. It neutralizes the burn immediately.

 

Of course there are other things you can use besides MMS. That is just one suggestion because we were talking about external application of MMS and its dangers. Long before I head of MMS I had a 6 month old kitten jump up on the stove and pull a skillet with hot grease down over his back legs and tail. I immediately rushed him to the faucet and ran cold water over him, but he was burnt so bad it peeled the skin in a strip on both of his legs, from the hip to the ankle on one side, and a huge spot on the other side, and the tip of his tail.

 

He never cried but I know he was in terrible pain as he couldn't lay comfortable even, because both outer sides of his hips were burnt so badly. He couldn't get up by himself and we'd take food and water to him, and pick him up for the litter box. The first 3 days I put aloe Vera on him, which I know also caused him pain because I had to apply the aloe with my fingers.

 

On the 3rd day, on his second application of aloe and him scrunching up in pain, I slapped my forehead and thought "CS". I ran to the health food store and bought a bottle of spray on CS.

 

That stuff was a miracle. It was almost as if you could see the skin healing! First, it was so easy on him to just spay something on rather than apply with finger tips, second the CS seemed to relieve his pain and third, as I said, you could almost watch the skin heal, it worked so fast.

 

Within 2 weeks all new skin had formed, from the outside of the burn inward. The leg that had the one big circle of burn got to where it all filled in, fur wise, except for a little penny size scar of smooth, pink skin, that you have to separate his hair to see, his tail grew all new hair, and the leg that was burnt from hip to ankle has a streak of flat, pink skin where the hair never grew back, from hip to ankle, but the skin is also not puckered like many burn victims are--it is healthy looking, pinkish white, and flat and smooth.

 

That totally convinsed me to ALWAYS have CS on hand. I immediately bought a silver puppy and always keep 3 gallons of it made for emergencies.

 

So yes, there are many things to use on a burn. It's just that the MMS can stop it immediately, if it's a situation where you have it on hand, and you remember to rinse it off immediately. Then you don't have to worry about blisters, pain or scarring.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

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MMS for burns? Why not just use coconut oil? No risk at all. No blisters, no scars if you cover it with the co and put a gauze or sock over the burn overnight.