Mom has pancreatic cancer with metastis to lung and liver

[Guest guest]

I am going to start my mom on the soup and inosital/p6. Do I also need to be

giving her

the OPC along with it? Can she overdoes if she takes too much of this product

together?

She has an embolism in her lung which the dr has put her on coumadin. As I

understand,

these products thin the blood so it only makes sense that she should be off the

coumadin

but how will I know if shes taking too much in terms of her blood getting too

thin? I guess

having a dr regulate her blood. I apologize if Im asking repetitive questions

but its a very

difficult time right now trying to find mom some help, Im very impressed with

what Ive

read about this and hope that this will help my mom. Im a little nervous about

making the

soup in terms of it being dangerous to make. Id appreciate a little

encouragement from

those of you who have made it and havent had any problems. I certainly dont

want to

make it wrong and hurt my mom or myself. Where can I get the oleander plant and

the

inosital/p6? Thanks for all your help...you can email me directly....Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Bless your heart Kathleen, as your mother is on coumadin, I am afraid that oleander is not an option,

Here is an important note: As oleander's cardiac glycosides do cross assay with digoxen/digitalis, anyone on those drugs or blood thinningmedication should not use oleander.

However, Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol in itself is a marvelous tool for beating cancer. Minus the oleander. IP6 is a powerful cancer fighter. Yes, by all means use that, read Tony's protocol and we are here for support and any questions you may have.

The best source of supplements that I have found is from Utopia Silver They are the best quality that I have found anywhere and actually I could write book on the personal benefits I have encountered. Actually, if you check some posts I think I have.

Being a member of this group entitles you to a 15% discount on supplements not on sale when you enter Code LR001.

Please do not be disappointed on reading that oleander is not an option for your mom. I cared for my mother for four years and I know I would have been disappointed. The bottom line to ridding oneself of cancer is addressing the cancer from its source by addressing the immune system and changing one's lifestyle to a completely healthy one.

Please read the articles and materials in the "Files" section to the left and read Tony's Anti Cancer Protocol first and foremost. Here is the link.

A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol

Kathleen, I wish you all the best and I want you to know that we are here for you and your mother in every way possible.

Hugs,

 

 

-- In oleander soup , "kathleenwendi" <hdriders wrote:>> I am going to start my mom on the soup and inosital/p6. Do I also need to be giving her > the OPC along with it? Can she overdoes if she takes too much of this product together?> She has an embolism in her lung which the dr has put her on coumadin. As I understand, > these products thin the blood so it only makes sense that she should be off the coumadin > but how will I know if shes taking too much in terms of her blood getting too thin? I guess > having a dr regulate her blood. I apologize if Im asking repetitive questions but its a very > difficult time right now trying to find mom some help, Im very impressed with what Ive > read about this and hope that this will help my mom. Im a little nervous about making the > soup in terms of it being dangerous to make. Id appreciate a little encouragement from > those of you who have made it and havent had any problems. I certainly dont want to > make it wrong and hurt my mom or myself. Where can I get the oleander plant and the > inosital/p6? Thanks for all your help...you can email me directly....Kathleen>

[Guest guest]

Actually, though it was I who wrote the cautionary note, I am going to

disagree for two reasons:

 

One, just like the outdated list of herbs from MD Anderson that " may "

conflict with oleander, I opted to act far on the side of caution.

The truth is that an average dose of oleander is only about 1/40th of

a normal dose of digoxin/digitalis, and anyone taking those

medications, other cardiac glycosides or blood thinning agents, should

be able to tolerate oleander. If it were myself, I would begin with

very small doses of oleander and work my way up (something I recommend

everyone does anyway) and secondly, I would reduce my other

medications mentioned above a bit.

 

Secondly, when one is talking about pancreatic cancer that has

metastisized, I really think it is wrong to say that the hope oleander

has should be denied them. There is precious little that is effective

against pancreatic cancer, especially longterm. Oleander is one of

the very few with a good track record.

 

In the end, I think it comes down to personal choice and caution. My

choice would be to cautiously use the oleander.

 

 

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129

wrote:

>

>

> Bless your heart Kathleen, as your mother is on coumadin, I am afraid

> that oleander is not an option,

>

> Here is an important note: As oleander's cardiac glycosides do cross

> assay with digoxen/digitalis, anyone on those drugs or blood thinning

> medication should not use oleander.

>

> However, Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol in itself is a marvelous tool for

> beating cancer. Minus the oleander. IP6 is a powerful cancer fighter.

> Yes, by all means use that, read Tony's protocol and we are here for

> support and any questions you may have.

>

> The best source of supplements that I have found is from Utopia Silver

> <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> They are the

> best quality that I have found anywhere and actually I could write book

> on the personal benefits I have encountered. Actually, if you check

> some posts I think I have.

>

> Being a member of this group entitles you to a 15% discount on

> supplements not on sale when you enter Code LR001.

>

> Please do not be disappointed on reading that oleander is not an option

> for your mom. I cared for my mother for four years and I know I would

> have been disappointed. The bottom line to ridding oneself of cancer is

> addressing the cancer from its source by addressing the immune system

> and changing one's lifestyle to a completely healthy one.

>

> Please read the articles and materials in the " Files " section to the

> left and read Tony's Anti Cancer Protocol first and foremost. Here is

> the link.

>

> A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol </anticancer.htm>

>

> Kathleen, I wish you all the best and I want you to know that we are

> here for you and your mother in every way possible.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In oleander soup , " kathleenwendi " <hdriders@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I am going to start my mom on the soup and inosital/p6. Do I also need

> to be giving her

> > the OPC along with it? Can she overdoes if she takes too much of this

> product together?

> > She has an embolism in her lung which the dr has put her on coumadin.

> As I understand,

> > these products thin the blood so it only makes sense that she should

> be off the coumadin

> > but how will I know if shes taking too much in terms of her blood

> getting too thin? I guess

> > having a dr regulate her blood. I apologize if Im asking repetitive

> questions but its a very

> > difficult time right now trying to find mom some help, Im very

> impressed with what Ive

> > read about this and hope that this will help my mom. Im a little

> nervous about making the

> > soup in terms of it being dangerous to make. Id appreciate a little

> encouragement from

> > those of you who have made it and havent had any problems. I certainly

> dont want to

> > make it wrong and hurt my mom or myself. Where can I get the oleander

> plant and the

> > inosital/p6? Thanks for all your help...you can email me

> directly....Kathleen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I was wondering though, my mom is off the coumadin now. She is

coming back from California and had too high levels so they took her off of it

till she

gets back to Kansas. Right now her blood levels are 1.7 which is in the normal

ranges

so I'm thinking that if she doesnt go back on it since the oleander thins blood,

wouldnt

that take the place of coumadin. Im planning on having her blood monitored very

closely with hospice so we ll know exactly where its at. Thanks....Kathleen

 

 

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote:

>

>

> Bless your heart Kathleen, as your mother is on coumadin, I am afraid

> that oleander is not an option,

>

> Here is an important note: As oleander's cardiac glycosides do cross

> assay with digoxen/digitalis, anyone on those drugs or blood thinning

> medication should not use oleander.

>

> However, Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol in itself is a marvelous tool for

> beating cancer. Minus the oleander. IP6 is a powerful cancer fighter.

> Yes, by all means use that, read Tony's protocol and we are here for

> support and any questions you may have.

>

> The best source of supplements that I have found is from Utopia Silver

> <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> They are the

> best quality that I have found anywhere and actually I could write book

> on the personal benefits I have encountered. Actually, if you check

> some posts I think I have.

>

> Being a member of this group entitles you to a 15% discount on

> supplements not on sale when you enter Code LR001.

>

> Please do not be disappointed on reading that oleander is not an option

> for your mom. I cared for my mother for four years and I know I would

> have been disappointed. The bottom line to ridding oneself of cancer is

> addressing the cancer from its source by addressing the immune system

> and changing one's lifestyle to a completely healthy one.

>

> Please read the articles and materials in the " Files " section to the

> left and read Tony's Anti Cancer Protocol first and foremost. Here is

> the link.

>

> A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol </anticancer.htm>

>

> Kathleen, I wish you all the best and I want you to know that we are

> here for you and your mother in every way possible.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In oleander soup , " kathleenwendi " <hdriders@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I am going to start my mom on the soup and inosital/p6. Do I also need

> to be giving her

> > the OPC along with it? Can she overdoes if she takes too much of this

> product together?

> > She has an embolism in her lung which the dr has put her on coumadin.

> As I understand,

> > these products thin the blood so it only makes sense that she should

> be off the coumadin

> > but how will I know if shes taking too much in terms of her blood

> getting too thin? I guess

> > having a dr regulate her blood. I apologize if Im asking repetitive

> questions but its a very

> > difficult time right now trying to find mom some help, Im very

> impressed with what Ive

> > read about this and hope that this will help my mom. Im a little

> nervous about making the

> > soup in terms of it being dangerous to make. Id appreciate a little

> encouragement from

> > those of you who have made it and havent had any problems. I certainly

> dont want to

> > make it wrong and hurt my mom or myself. Where can I get the oleander

> plant and the

> > inosital/p6? Thanks for all your help...you can email me

> directly....Kathleen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen,

 

Since my last posting, Tony has contacted me and explained to me the

actual correlation between oleander and the medications discussed in our

prior posts.

 

I tend to always be overly cautious and go by the " book. " However, your

mother's cancer is a serious one and quite severe. I wholeheartedly

agree with his post. Follow his instructions and don't hesitate to ask

questions.

 

Hugs,

 

 

 

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129

wrote:

>

>

> Bless your heart Kathleen, as your mother is on coumadin, I am afraid

> that oleander is not an option,

>

> Here is an important note: As oleander's cardiac glycosides do cross

> assay with digoxen/digitalis, anyone on those drugs or blood thinning

> medication should not use oleander.

>

> However, Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol in itself is a marvelous tool for

> beating cancer. Minus the oleander. IP6 is a powerful cancer fighter.

> Yes, by all means use that, read Tony's protocol and we are here for

> support and any questions you may have.

>

> The best source of supplements that I have found is from Utopia Silver

> <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> They are the

> best quality that I have found anywhere and actually I could write

book

> on the personal benefits I have encountered. Actually, if you check

> some posts I think I have.

>

> Being a member of this group entitles you to a 15% discount on

> supplements not on sale when you enter Code LR001.

>

> Please do not be disappointed on reading that oleander is not an

option

> for your mom. I cared for my mother for four years and I know I would

> have been disappointed. The bottom line to ridding oneself of cancer

is

> addressing the cancer from its source by addressing the immune system

> and changing one's lifestyle to a completely healthy one.

>

> Please read the articles and materials in the " Files " section to the

> left and read Tony's Anti Cancer Protocol first and foremost. Here is

> the link.

>

> A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol </anticancer.htm>

>

> Kathleen, I wish you all the best and I want you to know that we are

> here for you and your mother in every way possible.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In oleander soup , " kathleenwendi " hdriders@

> wrote:

> >

> > I am going to start my mom on the soup and inosital/p6. Do I also

need

> to be giving her

> > the OPC along with it? Can she overdoes if she takes too much of

this

> product together?

> > She has an embolism in her lung which the dr has put her on

coumadin.

> As I understand,

> > these products thin the blood so it only makes sense that she should

> be off the coumadin

> > but how will I know if shes taking too much in terms of her blood

> getting too thin? I guess

> > having a dr regulate her blood. I apologize if Im asking repetitive

> questions but its a very

> > difficult time right now trying to find mom some help, Im very

> impressed with what Ive

> > read about this and hope that this will help my mom. Im a little

> nervous about making the

> > soup in terms of it being dangerous to make. Id appreciate a little

> encouragement from

> > those of you who have made it and havent had any problems. I

certainly

> dont want to

> > make it wrong and hurt my mom or myself. Where can I get the

oleander

> plant and the

> > inosital/p6? Thanks for all your help...you can email me

> directly....Kathleen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I just posted retracting my previous statement. And actually, you

have wonderful news. Yes! By all means! Start the Oleander!

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , " kathleenwendi " <hdriders

wrote:

>

> Thanks , I was wondering though, my mom is off the coumadin

now. She is

> coming back from California and had too high levels so they took

her off of it till she

> gets back to Kansas. Right now her blood levels are 1.7 which is

in the normal ranges

> so I'm thinking that if she doesnt go back on it since the oleander

thins blood, wouldnt

> that take the place of coumadin. Im planning on having her blood

monitored very

> closely with hospice so we ll know exactly where its at.

Thanks....Kathleen

>

>

> oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Bless your heart Kathleen, as your mother is on coumadin, I am

afraid

> > that oleander is not an option,

> >

> > Here is an important note: As oleander's cardiac glycosides do

cross

> > assay with digoxen/digitalis, anyone on those drugs or blood

thinning

> > medication should not use oleander.

> >

> > However, Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol in itself is a marvelous

tool for

> > beating cancer. Minus the oleander. IP6 is a powerful cancer

fighter.

> > Yes, by all means use that, read Tony's protocol and we are here

for

> > support and any questions you may have.

> >

> > The best source of supplements that I have found is from Utopia

Silver

> > <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> They

are the

> > best quality that I have found anywhere and actually I could

write book

> > on the personal benefits I have encountered. Actually, if you

check

> > some posts I think I have.

> >

> > Being a member of this group entitles you to a 15% discount on

> > supplements not on sale when you enter Code LR001.

> >

> > Please do not be disappointed on reading that oleander is not an

option

> > for your mom. I cared for my mother for four years and I know I

would

> > have been disappointed. The bottom line to ridding oneself of

cancer is

> > addressing the cancer from its source by addressing the immune

system

> > and changing one's lifestyle to a completely healthy one.

> >

> > Please read the articles and materials in the " Files " section to

the

> > left and read Tony's Anti Cancer Protocol first and foremost.

Here is

> > the link.

> >

> > A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol

</anticancer.htm>

> >

> > Kathleen, I wish you all the best and I want you to know that we

are

> > here for you and your mother in every way possible.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In oleander soup , " kathleenwendi " <hdriders@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I am going to start my mom on the soup and inosital/p6. Do I

also need

> > to be giving her

> > > the OPC along with it? Can she overdoes if she takes too much

of this

> > product together?

> > > She has an embolism in her lung which the dr has put her on

coumadin.

> > As I understand,

> > > these products thin the blood so it only makes sense that she

should

> > be off the coumadin

> > > but how will I know if shes taking too much in terms of her

blood

> > getting too thin? I guess

> > > having a dr regulate her blood. I apologize if Im asking

repetitive

> > questions but its a very

> > > difficult time right now trying to find mom some help, Im very

> > impressed with what Ive

> > > read about this and hope that this will help my mom. Im a little

> > nervous about making the

> > > soup in terms of it being dangerous to make. Id appreciate a

little

> > encouragement from

> > > those of you who have made it and havent had any problems. I

certainly

> > dont want to

> > > make it wrong and hurt my mom or myself. Where can I get the

oleander

> > plant and the

> > > inosital/p6? Thanks for all your help...you can email me

> > directly....Kathleen

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much Tony and , I've gotten the info off the files and am

reading the

info today. I wish I had found you months ago. One more question, I know says

he makes all of his preparations so is it more effective if you make it as

opposed to

using the OPC? Also, should I give them both to mom, the soup and the OPC or

just one

of them? Thanks...Kathleen

 

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote:

>

> I just posted retracting my previous statement. And actually, you

> have wonderful news. Yes! By all means! Start the Oleander!

>

> Hugs,

>

>

> oleander soup , " kathleenwendi " <hdriders@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks , I was wondering though, my mom is off the coumadin

> now. She is

> > coming back from California and had too high levels so they took

> her off of it till she

> > gets back to Kansas. Right now her blood levels are 1.7 which is

> in the normal ranges

> > so I'm thinking that if she doesnt go back on it since the oleander

> thins blood, wouldnt

> > that take the place of coumadin. Im planning on having her blood

> monitored very

> > closely with hospice so we ll know exactly where its at.

> Thanks....Kathleen

> >

> >

> > oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Bless your heart Kathleen, as your mother is on coumadin, I am

> afraid

> > > that oleander is not an option,

> > >

> > > Here is an important note: As oleander's cardiac glycosides do

> cross

> > > assay with digoxen/digitalis, anyone on those drugs or blood

> thinning

> > > medication should not use oleander.

> > >

> > > However, Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol in itself is a marvelous

> tool for

> > > beating cancer. Minus the oleander. IP6 is a powerful cancer

> fighter.

> > > Yes, by all means use that, read Tony's protocol and we are here

> for

> > > support and any questions you may have.

> > >

> > > The best source of supplements that I have found is from Utopia

> Silver

> > > <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> They

> are the

> > > best quality that I have found anywhere and actually I could

> write book

> > > on the personal benefits I have encountered. Actually, if you

> check

> > > some posts I think I have.

> > >

> > > Being a member of this group entitles you to a 15% discount on

> > > supplements not on sale when you enter Code LR001.

> > >

> > > Please do not be disappointed on reading that oleander is not an

> option

> > > for your mom. I cared for my mother for four years and I know I

> would

> > > have been disappointed. The bottom line to ridding oneself of

> cancer is

> > > addressing the cancer from its source by addressing the immune

> system

> > > and changing one's lifestyle to a completely healthy one.

> > >

> > > Please read the articles and materials in the " Files " section to

> the

> > > left and read Tony's Anti Cancer Protocol first and foremost.

> Here is

> > > the link.

> > >

> > > A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol

> </anticancer.htm>

> > >

> > > Kathleen, I wish you all the best and I want you to know that we

> are

> > > here for you and your mother in every way possible.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In oleander soup , " kathleenwendi " <hdriders@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I am going to start my mom on the soup and inosital/p6. Do I

> also need

> > > to be giving her

> > > > the OPC along with it? Can she overdoes if she takes too much

> of this

> > > product together?

> > > > She has an embolism in her lung which the dr has put her on

> coumadin.

> > > As I understand,

> > > > these products thin the blood so it only makes sense that she

> should

> > > be off the coumadin

> > > > but how will I know if shes taking too much in terms of her

> blood

> > > getting too thin? I guess

> > > > having a dr regulate her blood. I apologize if Im asking

> repetitive

> > > questions but its a very

> > > > difficult time right now trying to find mom some help, Im very

> > > impressed with what Ive

> > > > read about this and hope that this will help my mom. Im a little

> > > nervous about making the

> > > > soup in terms of it being dangerous to make. Id appreciate a

> little

> > > encouragement from

> > > > those of you who have made it and havent had any problems. I

> certainly

> > > dont want to

> > > > make it wrong and hurt my mom or myself. Where can I get the

> oleander

> > > plant and the

> > > > inosital/p6? Thanks for all your help...you can email me

> > > directly....Kathleen

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The doctor would probably not appreciate this, but natural vitamin E is as good a blood thinner as coumadin and non-toxic; coumadin is definitely a toxic therapeutic agent. Try discussing the substitution with your doctor. It would be a good idea to search the internet first for articles published in medical journals and have these references handy to give the doctor when you speak with him.Dr. GoebelPS GOOD LUCK!kathleenwendi <hdriders wrote: I am going to start my mom on the soup and inosital/p6. Do I

also need to be giving her the OPC along with it? Can she overdoes if she takes too much of this product together? She has an embolism in her lung which the dr has put her on coumadin. As I understand, these products thin the blood so it only makes sense that she should be off the coumadin but how will I know if shes taking too much in terms of her blood getting too thin? I guess having a dr regulate her blood. I apologize if Im asking repetitive questions but its a very difficult time right now trying to find mom some help, Im very impressed with what Ive read about this and hope that this will help my mom. Im a little nervous about making the soup in terms of it being dangerous to make. Id appreciate a little encouragement from those of you who have made it and havent had any problems. I certainly dont want to make it wrong and hurt my mom or myself. Where can I get the oleander plant and the inosital/p6?

Thanks for all your help...you can email me directly....Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Kathleen, I understand your hesitancy about making the soup. I felt the same way when I did it. After all, it can mean life or death to someone so you want to be sure you make it right. It's simple really. I wore a glove on the hand that held the branches when I cut them, to be safe. But truly, the directions are simple and easy to follow. The hardest part is straining the soup! :-) It took a bit of doing to set up 4 strainers and keep the paper towels all lined up. Then when I strained through coffee filters I didn't have 4 holders the right size for that, mainly because my coffee maker uses those cone shaped filters. So they wouldn't stand in the strainers. Next time I'll make sure to buy regular, flat bottomed coffee filters to make it easier. But if you have access to an oleander bush, do make the soup. You'll be glad you did when you are done.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

----

 

 

.. Im a little nervous about making the soup in terms of it being dangerous to make. Id appreciate a little encouragement from those of you who have made it and havent had any problems. I certainly dont want to make it wrong and hurt my mom or myself. Where can I get the oleander plant and the inosital/p6? Thanks for all your help...you can email me directly....Kathleen