The key people at the Budwig group are wrong!

[Guest guest]

I don't know who the " key members " in the Budwig Group are, or their

experiences or qualifications, but I personally will venture that they

are out to lunch unless they provide specific information to change my

mind. Certainly the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part of the

Budwig diet (and that is the part I recommend highest) is completely

compatible with oleander. Perhaps there are other elements they think

might not match up?

 

I have great respect for the Budwig diet (or at least the key elements

of it) and it has been a part of my recommendations from day one. The

makers of Anvirzel vouch for it's compatibility with oleander, as does

MD Anderson lead research scientist Dr. Robert Newman, and so does

Marc Swanepoel (who formulated the Sutherlandia OPC).

 

Add the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part to the natural

anti-cancer protocol I have posted will give you a very good cancer

fighting and cancer beating protocol - one that better and more

practical than the Budwig Diet alone.

 

A lot of groups seem to be overly protective and overly zealous of

their own protocols - maintaining that they must be followed to the

letter or else (and on " or else " sometimes is that it gives them an

out when the protocol fails!) while rejecting compatibility with other

protocols.

 

I understand - I am a bit the same way when it comes to oleander and

the things I recommend. However, I have always recommended a

multi-element approach. And besides, I KNOW that oleander and the

rest of the protocol works.

 

I have seen the same attitude with Essaic (NOT a strong standalone

cancer treatment, despite the protests of the ardent followers)and a

number of other groups, as well as with groups like the fanatic

followers of the supreme huckster Trudeau (who knows very little about

natural health, but a whole lot about hype and relieving people of

their money) and the stinky breathed Atkins diet folks (NOT a healthy

diet, regardless of the hype and apologists).

 

OK - off my soapbox. Tell those " key people " to put up and tell us

specifically why they believe there is any compatibility or else take

another look!

 

 

oleander soup , " Duane Christensen "

<duanechristensen wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> I am keenly interest in what you say here:

>

> << there is absolutely no conflict between using oleander and the

> Budwig Protocol. >>

>

> How do you know that this is true? Key members in the Budwig

> group say that the two approaches should not be mixed, though I am not

> sure why.

>

> Duane Christensen

>

[Guest guest]

Hi...

 

Dr. Budwig may have used unprocessed cottage cheese in Germany and that could have made a big difference in her achieving better results.

 

-Mary 970-282-8551

In a message dated 5/18/2008 12:27:42 PM Mountain Daylight Time, writes:

I don't know who the "key members" in the Budwig Group are, or theirexperiences or qualifications, but I personally will venture that theyare out to lunch unless they provide specific information to change mymind. Certainly the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part of theBudwig diet (and that is the part I recommend highest) is completelycompatible with oleander. Perhaps there are other elements they thinkmight not match up?I have great respect for the Budwig diet (or at least the key elementsof it) and it has been a part of my recommendations from day one. Themakers of Anvirzel vouch for it's compatibility with oleander, as doesMD Anderson lead research scientist Dr. Robert Newman, and so doesMarc Swanepoel (who formulated the Sutherlandia OPC).Add the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part to the naturalanti-cancer protocol I have posted will give you a very good cancerfighting and cancer beating protocol - one that better and morepractical than the Budwig Diet alone.A lot of groups seem to be overly protective and overly zealous oftheir own protocols - maintaining that they must be followed to theletter or else (and on "or else" sometimes is that it gives them anout when the protocol fails!) while rejecting compatibility with otherprotocols.I understand - I am a bit the same way when it comes to oleander andthe things I recommend. However, I have always recommended amulti-element approach. And besides, I KNOW that oleander and therest of the protocol works.I have seen the same attitude with Essaic (NOT a strong standalonecancer treatment, despite the protests of the ardent followers)and anumber of other groups, as well as with groups like the fanaticfollowers of the supreme huckster Trudeau (who knows very little aboutnatural health, but a whole lot about hype and relieving people oftheir money) and the stinky breathed Atkins diet folks (NOT a healthydiet, regardless of the hype and apologists).OK - off my soapbox. Tell those "key people" to put up and tell usspecifically why they believe there is any compatibility or else takeanother look!Tonyoleander soup , "Duane Christensen"<duanechristensen wrote:>

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi..

 

Sometimes our vitamins do not even absorb which I experienced and vitamins can have fillers in them. One health food store person told me when I asked why Calcium carbonate is used many times and she said because it is cheap. The bones cannot absorb it. She said the only calcium the bones can absorb is the calcium hydroxey apetite and that can be found in the Jarrow formulas in one called BONE UP.....even my chiro alerted me to that one also.

 

-Mary 970-282-8551

 

In a message dated 5/18/2008 2:43:43 PM Mountain Daylight Time, drlanphier writes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been on the Budwig group for about a year and a half, maybe longer. First I want to say that I admire the work and diligence of the moderators. It is not easy helping people who are sick. They have done an excellent job in making sure that the CORRECT formulation and diet is understood. They answer the same questions over and over and over (because people are too lazy to read the files) and always do it in a respectful manner. Personally, I would tire of this very quickly because I don’t have a lot of patience with those who refuse to learn how to take responsibilty for their health – of which the first step is that they are asked to read the files for complete instruction. Many on the Internet have chosen to take liberty with the amounts of FO/CC that Dr. B recommended and therefore give out incorrect information. It is important to mix the FO/CC in the correct ratio and using the correct methods. The main moderator has also put together a video on You-Tube that shows exactly how to make the mixture, which is extremely helpful. Again, the devotion to the protocol by the moderators is outstanding.

 

The mantra that I take issue with is that Dr. Budwig said that ALL supplementation is synthetic, the body doesn't use it efficiently (in fact, it can do more harm than good) and that you can get all your needed vitamins/minerals from your food. Personally, I think the supplementation mantra has been taken to the extreme. There is a lady in South Africa that gets great results using the BP and I have talked with her (though email) and she tests her clients and then gives supplementation according to what it needed. Now, I stress that these people are under the care of a practitioner and are not doing the protocol or supplementation without a knowledgeable person watching over them. Specifically, Dr. Budwig did NOT recommend HIGH amounts of anti-oxidants. Why? Because her protocol is all about oxygenating the body. In my opinion, this is the best way to get rid of cancer as disease cannot live in an oxygenated state. Many think that if you are oxygenating the body, then you must counter-act with anti-oxidants because of free-radicals. Personally, my belief is that we are so oxygen deificient that it would take a tremendous amount of oxygen before we would even have to worry about free-radicals - so I am not in the "oxygen and free-radical" camp. The cancer protocol that I did was also all about oxygenating the body. Yes, I took supplements that contained anti-oxidants but not at tremendously high amounts. I did much more oxygenating than anti-oxidants.

I have tried at times to explain to the BP group about "food grade" supplementation, but got put on moderated status (which is were I stay with most groups that I am on and that’s ok) so basically anything that I say about supplements gets censored. Now, I hardly ever post and have found out that there are many that have been treated in this manner....many that are very knowledgeable. The BP is excellent and the diet should be strictly followed and I have no argument with that at all. I know, personally, how important it is to be compliant to a program or protocol - it is a must if you want to see results! My concern is about the fear that some people have about any type of supplementation.

 

Our food supply (even organic) is becoming more and more adulterated. It does not contain the amount of vitamins and minerals that it did even 25 years ago. Yet, people will not believe this because they trust the "organic standard." I have read over and over and over about how there are just not enough checks and balances in the organic camp to make sure that every food is grown according to standards. We have witnessed this with organic dairys not following standards and very recently with organic personal care products. Plus cross contamination of genetically modified crops is a HUGE concern. If our food was really providing enough nutrients then possibly we would not see vegetarians present the same nutritional deficiencies as those who are not vegetarians.

 

I do want to say that there is a good amount of people who have followed the BP (some very militantly and some have even added supplementation) that have gotten well. I have seen more results with the BP than any other cancer diet and this is the one that I recommend. Why some get well and others do not, I don't know. But from what I see with clients it most likely has to do with compliance and whether or not people decide to deal with past anger, hurt and negative emotions. Many think that this is not necessary - however, I KNOW that it is necessary IF getting well is the desired result. Some on the BP seem to do better once they ditch their supplements. There could be many reasons for this such as quality of supplements, mixing of certain supplements, amounts that are being consumed, MLM supplements that contain sugar such as the fruit berries, etc. And, please realize that the “power of suggestion†is VERY real.

 

I am not sure how oleander is classified when it comes to anti-oxidant activity. Possibly Marc or Tony can enlighten us about this specifically. Personally, I think it is fine to take along with the BP. Many on the BP use Essiac Tea and that seems to be "allowed", but not necessarily recommended. I believe that oleander has been studied as much or more as other supplements or herbs. However, I do believe that people need to make sure that if they are making the “soup†that the directions should be followed, to the letter.

 

The BP is a complete lifestyle change which is what is needed when dealing with cancer. It, like other cancer protocols, is a 24/7 program. I always tell clients that the lifestyle that they were living when they received a cancer diagnosis obviously was not conducive to good health and therefore needs to be drastically changed. This is not easy for most people and some will absolutely refuse any type of change and instead opt for something they “think†is "easy" like chemo/radiation. Certainly that is their choice. We are all brought up with the “drugs cure†mentality and it is difficult to put that aside. Many come to the Budwig Protocol very close to checking-out or have been sent home to get their affairs in order; many come right after receiving a diagnosis and many are there seeking information for loved ones. Many get on the protocol and gripe or whine because of the "change" and how difficult it is to make the changes that are required; many dive in with both feet, ask a lot of questions and do whatever it takes to become compliant. By the way, this last type are the ones that usually get the best results. JThe truth is that we really don’t know for sure what Dr. Budwig would say, personally, about Oleander, Essiac Tea, food-grade supplements or other modalities that have come along since her death. The best thing to do for your own particular situation is to research and educate. I think that the help of groups such as this one and others along with finding a knowledgeable healthcare professional is very warranted. Just remember that opinions are like belly buttons – most everyone has one. Everyone’s body is different in that we are all exposed to different emotions, different chemicals, different diets, different everything. We are not clones, therefore what works for one may or may not work for someone else. However, what we do know is that when you choose to heal your disease using

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,

 

Thank you for your quick and useful response. The key person I

mentioned is Sandra Olson, owner of that of 5000+ list

members.

 

http://health.FlaxSeedOil2/

 

Sandra never said that oleander was not compatible with the Budwig

Protocol. All she said was as follows:

 

<< I wouldn't consider including something as experimental as

oleander. The BP works very well without it. >>

 

And this was in response to a very brief question on the part of

another person in that group, as follows:

 

<< Sandra, I was reading on a different group and they said oleander

and Budwig are compatible. What do you think? >>

 

 

I personaly see no conflict between the two, and I am simply trying to

find out how one goes about determining what products are compatible

and what are not. I have been on Protocel for 18 months for prostate

cancer and discussed that matter at length with Tony Bell by phone.

Protocel is not compatible with MANY other products, and this includes

both the Budwig Protocol and oleander.

 

Duane Christensen

[Guest guest]

I've been on the Budwig group for about

a year and a half, maybe longer. First I want to say that I admire the

work and diligence of the moderators. It is not easy helping people who

are sick. They have done an excellent job in making sure that the CORRECT

formulation and diet is understood. They answer the same questions over

and over and over (because people are too lazy to read the files) and always do

it in a respectful manner. Personally, I would tire of this very quickly

because I don’t have a lot of patience with those who refuse to learn how

to take responsibilty for their health – of which the first step is that

they are asked to read the files for complete instruction. Many on the

Internet have chosen to take liberty with the amounts of FO/CC that Dr. B

recommended and therefore give out incorrect information. It is important

to mix the FO/CC in the correct ratio and using the correct methods. The

main moderator has also put together a video on You-Tube that shows exactly how

to make the mixture, which is extremely helpful. Again, the devotion to the

protocol by the moderators is outstanding.

 

The mantra that I take issue with is

that Dr. Budwig said that ALL supplementation is synthetic, the body doesn't

use it efficiently (in fact, it can do more harm than good) and that you can

get all your needed vitamins/minerals from your food. Personally, I think the

supplementation mantra has been taken to the extreme. There is a lady in

South Africa that gets great results using the BP and I have talked with her

(though email) and she tests her clients and then gives supplementation

according to what it needed. Now, I stress that these people are under

the care of a practitioner and are not doing the protocol or supplementation

without a knowledgeable person watching over them. Specifically, Dr.

Budwig did NOT recommend HIGH amounts of anti-oxidants. Why?

Because her protocol is all about oxygenating the body. In my opinion, this

is the best way to get rid of cancer as disease cannot live in an oxygenated

state. Many think that if you are oxygenating the body, then you must

counter-act with anti-oxidants because of free-radicals. Personally, my

belief is that we are so oxygen deificient that it would take a tremendous amount

of oxygen before we would even have to worry about free-radicals - so I am not

in the " oxygen and free-radical " camp. The cancer protocol that

I did was also all about oxygenating the body. Yes, I took supplements

that contained anti-oxidants but not at tremendously high amounts. I did

much more oxygenating than anti-oxidants.

 

 

I have tried at times to explain to the

BP group about " food grade " supplementation, but got put on moderated

status (which is were I stay with most groups that I am on and that’s ok)

so basically anything that I say about supplements gets censored. Now, I

hardly ever post and have found out that there are many that have been treated

in this manner....many that are very knowledgeable. The BP is excellent and the

diet should be strictly followed and I have no argument with that at all.

I know, personally, how important it is to be compliant to a program or

protocol - it is a must if you want to see results! My concern is about

the fear that some people have about any type of supplementation.

 

Our food supply (even organic) is

becoming more and more adulterated. It does not contain the amount of

vitamins and minerals that it did even 25 years ago. Yet, people will not

believe this because they trust the " organic standard. " I have

read over and over and over about how there are just not enough checks and

balances in the organic camp to make sure that every food is grown according to

standards. We have witnessed this with organic dairys not following

standards and very recently with organic personal care products. Plus

cross contamination of genetically modified crops is a HUGE concern. If

our food was really providing enough nutrients then possibly we would not see

vegetarians present the same nutritional deficiencies as those who are not

vegetarians.

 

I do want to say that there is a good

amount of people who have followed the BP (some very militantly and some have

even added supplementation) that have gotten well. I have seen more

results with the BP than any other cancer diet and this is the one that I

recommend. Why some get well and others do not, I don't know. But

from what I see with clients it most likely has to do with compliance and

whether or not people decide to deal with past anger, hurt and negative

emotions. Many think that this is not necessary - however, I KNOW that it

is necessary IF getting well is the desired result. Some on the BP seem

to do better once they ditch their supplements. There could be many

reasons for this such as quality of supplements, mixing of certain supplements,

amounts that are being consumed, MLM supplements that contain sugar such as the

fruit berries, etc. And, please realize that the “power of

suggestion” is VERY real.

 

I am not sure how oleander is classified

when it comes to anti-oxidant activity. Possibly Marc or Tony can

enlighten us about this specifically. Personally, I think it is fine to

take along with the BP. Many on the BP use Essiac Tea and that seems to

be " allowed " , but not necessarily recommended. I believe that

oleander has been studied as much or more as other supplements or herbs.

However, I do believe that people need to make sure that if they are making the

“soup” that the directions should be followed, to the letter.

 

The BP is a complete lifestyle change

which is what is needed when dealing with cancer. It, like other cancer

protocols, is a 24/7 program. I always tell clients that the lifestyle

that they were living when they received a cancer diagnosis obviously was not

conducive to good health and therefore needs to be drastically changed.

This is not easy for most people and some will absolutely refuse any type of

change and instead opt for something they “think” is

" easy " like chemo/radiation. Certainly that is their choice. We

are all brought up with the “drugs cure” mentality and it is

difficult to put that aside. Many come to the Budwig Protocol very close

to checking-out or have been sent home to get their affairs in order; many come

right after receiving a diagnosis and many are there seeking information for

loved ones. Many get on the protocol and gripe or whine because of the

" change " and how difficult it is to make the changes that are

required; many dive in with both feet, ask a lot of questions and do whatever

it takes to become compliant. By the way, this last type are the ones

that usually get the best results. J

 

The truth is that we really don’t know for sure what Dr. Budwig would

say, personally, about Oleander, Essiac Tea, food-grade supplements or other

modalities that have come along since her death. The best thing to do for

your own particular situation is to research and educate. I think that

the help of groups such as this one and others along with finding a

knowledgeable healthcare professional is very warranted. Just remember

that opinions are like belly buttons – most everyone has one.

Everyone’s body is different in that we are all exposed to different

emotions, different chemicals, different diets, different everything. We

are not clones, therefore what works for one may or may not work for someone

else. However, what we do know is that when you choose to heal your

disease using natural medicine, you do not have to worry about harmful side effects

or the probability of the treatment fostering new cancer growth or health

concerns, down-the-line. You don’t have to be concerned about

trying to get healthy after “treatment” because all during your

protocol your body will also be healing in the manner that is best for it.

 

By the way, Tony, I so agree with you about Atkins, Trudeau (I ordered some

skincare products that he was selling several years back and they were

absolutely laden with chemicals!!) and others. If there is a “fear

factor” in any protocol, then I would suggest much research and education

to learn “why” that fear factor is there and if it is really legit.

And one more thing – there is no magic bullet for cancer in conventional

medicine or in natural medicine. None. What works is bringing the

body back into health through detoxification & cleansing, healthy diet,

supplementation, pure-clean water, exercise, sunshine, healthy environment and

healthy emotions (most do not do near enough work in this area). A lot of

work? YES. Worth it? ABSOLUTELY!

 

Be Well

Loretta

 

 

[Guest guest]

People used to be able to get all they needed from food, but that has changed. Organic layer soil depletion and the lack of trace minerals in the soil ensure that is no longer true. Please see malcolmbeck.com for information about soil depletion and the worldwide destruction modern farming methods have done to the planet and to our foods. Carbon in the atmosphere is a farming result, not the result of burning carbon fuels.Many single vitamins can be of little value, or be somewhat negative in effect. Food concentrates are much safer and more efficient. Juice Plus is only one of many companies doing this.Make a friend of an organic farmer or grow your own food. It takes a couple decades to build up the organic layer again. And it takes even longer to integrate trace minerals form the inorganic form back to organic form in the soil.Never stop investigating and learning!By the way, flax seed oil

or hemp oil and low/no carbohydrate cottage cheese, frapped and cooled is favorite food for bodybuilders who are in the cutting up phase. The top notch natural bodybuilders and the life extension peoples' sites and list of foods, nutrients, etc. are almost identical.Michael L Goebel, DC, ACN

[Guest guest]

Hi Loretta,

 

I hope you don't mind, but I found your response on this issue to be

of such unusual worth that I posted it in its entirety on my own

discussion group:

 

http://health.living_with_prostatecancer/

 

I am especially interested in the following comment you made:

 

<< I am not sure how oleander is classified when it comes to

anti-oxidant activity. Possibly Marc or Tony can enlighten us about

this specifically. Personally, I think it is fine to take along with

the BP. >>

 

As you no doubt know, Protocel is one of the most powerful

anti-oxidants ever measured. I, too, am keenly interested to know the

anti-oxidant activity of oleander. Though I have been on Protocel the

past 18 months with positive results, I have decided to switch to

oleander and the Budwig Protocol when I get back to the U.S. in June,

for a 3-6 month trial period -- as my treatment program, with my

progress (or regress) monitored at Alta Bates Cancer Center in

Berkeley, California.

 

Duane Christensen

[Guest guest]

As I read it, the purists say that Budwig did not believe in vitamins or supplements and thought that her protocol was complete in and of itself. That's why they don't believe in anything in addition except Essiac.

Corky

 

-

Tony

oleander soup

Sunday, May 18, 2008 1:27 PM

The "key people" at the Budwig group are wrong!

 

 

I don't know who the "key members" in the Budwig Group are, or theirexperiences or qualifications, but I personally will venture that theyare out to lunch unless they provide specific information to change mymind. Certainly the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part of theBudwig diet (and that is the part I recommend highest) is completelycompatible with oleander. Perhaps there are other elements they thinkmight not match up?I have great respect for the Budwig diet (or at least the key elementsof it) and it has been a part of my recommendations from day one. Themakers of Anvirzel vouch for it's compatibility with oleander, as doesMD Anderson lead research scientist Dr. Robert Newman, and so doesMarc Swanepoel (who formulated the Sutherlandia OPC).Add the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part to the naturalanti-cancer protocol I have posted will give you a very good cancerfighting and cancer beating protocol - one that better and morepractical than the Budwig Diet alone.A lot of groups seem to be overly protective and overly zealous oftheir own protocols - maintaining that they must be followed to theletter or else (and on "or else" sometimes is that it gives them anout when the protocol fails!) while rejecting compatibility with otherprotocols.I understand - I am a bit the same way when it comes to oleander andthe things I recommend. However, I have always recommended amulti-element approach. And besides, I KNOW that oleander and therest of the protocol works.I have seen the same attitude with Essaic (NOT a strong standalonecancer treatment, despite the protests of the ardent followers)and anumber of other groups, as well as with groups like the fanaticfollowers of the supreme huckster Trudeau (who knows very little aboutnatural health, but a whole lot about hype and relieving people oftheir money) and the stinky breathed Atkins diet folks (NOT a healthydiet, regardless of the hype and apologists).OK - off my soapbox. Tell those "key people" to put up and tell usspecifically why they believe there is any compatibility or else takeanother look!Tonyoleander soup , "Duane Christensen"<duanechristensen wrote:>> Hi ,> > I am keenly interest in what you say here:> > << there is absolutely no conflict between using oleander and the> Budwig Protocol. >>> > How do you know that this is true? Key members in the Budwig > group say that the two approaches should not be mixed, though I am not> sure why. > > Duane Christensen>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mary,

 

That is why it is so important to know where we are getting our

supplements from. We need become educated and get the highest

quality.

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , md29again wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi..

>

> Sometimes our vitamins do not even absorb which I experienced and

vitamins

> can have fillers in them. One health food store person told me

when I asked why

> Calcium carbonate is used many times and she said because it is

cheap. The

> bones cannot absorb it. She said the only calcium the bones can

absorb is the

> calcium hydroxey apetite and that can be found in the Jarrow

formulas in one

> called BONE UP.....even my chiro alerted me to that one also.

>

> -Mary 970-282-8551

>

> In a message dated 5/18/2008 2:43:43 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

> drlanphier writes:

>

>

>

>

>

> I've been on the Budwig group for about a year and a half, maybe

longer.

> First I want to say that I admire the work and diligence of the

moderators. It

> is not easy helping people who are sick. They have done an

excellent job in

> making sure that the CORRECT formulation and diet is understood.

They answer

> the same questions over and over and over (because people are too

lazy to read

> the files) and always do it in a respectful manner. Personally, I

would tire

> of this very quickly because I don’t have a lot of patience with

those who

> refuse to learn how to take responsibilty for their health †" of

which the first

> step is that they are asked to read the files for complete

instruction. Many on

> the Internet have chosen to take liberty with the amounts of FO/CC

that Dr. B

> recommended and therefore give out incorrect information. It is

important to

> mix the FO/CC in the correct ratio and using the correct methods.

The main

> moderator has also put together a video on You-Tube that shows

exactly how to

> make the mixture, which is extremely helpful. Again, the devotion

to the

> protocol by the moderators is outstanding.

> The mantra that I take issue with is that Dr. Budwig said that ALL

> supplementation is synthetic, the body doesn't use it efficiently

(in fact, it can do

> more harm than good) and that you can get all your needed

vitamins/minerals from

> your food. Personally, I think the supplementation mantra has been

taken to

> the extreme. There is a lady in South Africa that gets great

results using the

> BP and I have talked with her (though email) and she tests her

clients and

> then gives supplementation according to what it needed. Now, I

stress that

> these people are under the care of a practitioner and are not doing

the protocol

> or supplementation without a knowledgeable person watching over

them.

> Specifically, Dr. Budwig did NOT recommend HIGH amounts of anti-

oxidants. Why?

> Because her protocol is all about oxygenating the body. In my

opinion, this is the

> best way to get rid of cancer as disease cannot live in an

oxygenated state.

> Many think that if you are oxygenating the body, then you must

counter-act

> with anti-oxidants because of free-radicals. Personally, my belief

is that we

> are so oxygen deificient that it would take a tremendous amount of

oxygen

> before we would even have to worry about free-radicals - so I am

not in the " oxygen

> and free-radical " camp. The cancer protocol that I did was also

all about

> oxygenating the body. Yes, I took supplements that contained anti-

oxidants but

> not at tremendously high amounts. I did much more oxygenating than

> anti-oxidants.

>

> I have tried at times to explain to the BP group about " food grade "

> supplementation, but got put on moderated status (which is were I

stay with most groups

> that I am on and that’s ok) so basically anything that I say about

> supplements gets censored. Now, I hardly ever post and have found

out that there are

> many that have been treated in this manner....many that are very

knowledgeable.

> The BP is excellent and the diet should be strictly followed and I

have no

> argument with that at all. I know, personally, how important it is

to be

> compliant to a program or protocol - it is a must if you want to

see results! My

> concern is about the fear that some people have about any type of

> supplementation.

> Our food supply (even organic) is becoming more and more

adulterated. It

> does not contain the amount of vitamins and minerals that it did

even 25 years

> ago. Yet, people will not believe this because they trust

the " organic

> standard. " I have read over and over and over about how there are

just not enough

> checks and balances in the organic camp to make sure that every

food is grown

> according to standards. We have witnessed this with organic dairys

not following

> standards and very recently with organic personal care products.

Plus cross

> contamination of genetically modified crops is a HUGE concern. If

our food

> was really providing enough nutrients then possibly we would not

see vegetarians

> present the same nutritional deficiencies as those who are not

vegetarians.

> I do want to say that there is a good amount of people who have

followed the

> BP (some very militantly and some have even added supplementation)

that have

> gotten well. I have seen more results with the BP than any other

cancer diet

> and this is the one that I recommend. Why some get well and others

do not, I

> don't know. But from what I see with clients it most likely has to

do with

> compliance and whether or not people decide to deal with past

anger, hurt and

> negative emotions. Many think that this is not necessary -

however, I KNOW that

> it is necessary IF getting well is the desired result. Some on the

BP seem to

> do better once they ditch their supplements. There could be many

reasons for

> this such as quality of supplements, mixing of certain supplements,

amounts

> that are being consumed, MLM supplements that contain sugar such as

the fruit

> berries, etc. And, please realize that the “power of suggestionâ€

is VERY

> real.

> I am not sure how oleander is classified when it comes to anti-

oxidant

> activity. Possibly Marc or Tony can enlighten us about this

specifically.

> Personally, I think it is fine to take along with the BP. Many on

the BP use Essiac

> Tea and that seems to be " allowed " , but not necessarily

recommended. I believe

> that oleander has been studied as much or more as other supplements

or herbs.

> However, I do believe that people need to make sure that if they

are making

> the “soup†that the directions should be followed, to the letter.

> The BP is a complete lifestyle change which is what is needed when

dealing

> with cancer. It, like other cancer protocols, is a 24/7 program. I

always tell

> clients that the lifestyle that they were living when they received

a cancer

> diagnosis obviously was not conducive to good health and therefore

needs to be

> drastically changed. This is not easy for most people and some

will

> absolutely refuse any type of change and instead opt for something

they “think†is

> " easy " like chemo/radiation. Certainly that is their choice. We

are all brought

> up with the “drugs cure†mentality and it is difficult to put that

aside.

> Many come to the Budwig Protocol very close to checking-out or have

been sent

> home to get their affairs in order; many come right after receiving

a diagnosis

> and many are there seeking information for loved ones. Many get on

the

> protocol and gripe or whine because of the " change " and how

difficult it is to make

> the changes that are required; many dive in with both feet, ask a

lot of

> questions and do whatever it takes to become compliant. By the

way, this last type

> are the ones that usually get the best results. J

>

> The truth is that we really don’t know for sure what Dr. Budwig

would say,

> personally, about Oleander, Essiac Tea, food-grade supplements or

other

> modalities that have come along since her death. The best thing to

do for your own

> particular situation is to research and educate. I think that the

help of

> groups such as this one and others along with finding a

knowledgeable healthcare

> professional is very warranted. Just remember that opinions are

like belly

> buttons †" most everyone has one. Everyone’s body is different in

that we are all

> exposed to different emotions, different chemicals, different

diets,

> different everything. We are not clones, therefore what works for

one may or may not

> work for someone else. However, what we do know is that when you

choose to

> heal your disease using

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Mary

 

You are absolutely correct! That’s why it is so important to research

and find food-grade supplementation that does not contain toxic excipients,

fillers, flow agents and preservatives. The body will use these

supplements effectively if the digestive tract is clean and working effectively.

Most people have gut concerns which is one reason they get sick to begin with. Constipation

is almost at epidemic rates because conventional medicine tells us 3-4 bowel

movements PER WEEK is normal. While it might be normal, it is NOT

healthy.

 

Actually, Calcium Orotate is the most

absorbable form of calcium with Calcium Hydroxy-Appetite very close behind. They

are both excellent forms of calcium. Dr. Hans Nieper did a tremendous amount of

work with the orotates and his results were amazing. His book, The Curious Man, is a very good read and

very informative. Calcium carbonate is “chalk.”

 

 

Be Well

 

Loretta Lanphier, ND, CN, HHP, CH

www.oawhealth.com

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Hi..

 

 

 

 

 

Sometimes

our vitamins do not even absorb which I experienced and vitamins can have

fillers in them. One health food store person told me when I asked why

Calcium carbonate is used many times and she said because it is cheap. The

bones cannot absorb it. She said the only calcium the bones can absorb is

the calcium hydroxey apetite and that can be found in the Jarrow formulas in

one called BONE UP.....even my chiro alerted me to that one also.

 

 

 

 

 

-Mary 970-282-8551

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

That is a truly outstanding response Doc LL - thanks. I am glad to

hear you vouch for the group and it's patient mods and can certainly

relate to having members who do not bother to look back over the old

posts or read the files! Sometimes my own patience may be lacking as

I tend to spread myself too thin and always seem to be running behind!

 

To re-iterate some points about Budwig and oleander -

 

Budwig is a favorite of mine too - that is why it has been in my book

from day one and why I recommend it. I was probably hasty to infer

that the mods in the Budwig group were overly zealous and protective

of their protocol - though, no matter what their good qualities, that

does seem to be the case.

 

In today's world of every increasing contaminants and decreasing

nutrition, I do not think that ANY diet is sufficient by itself. It

may work - and Budwig's still seems to work more often than not - but

it will have a much better chance if some key supplementation is provided.

 

Neither the Budwig Diet, MMS, nor any other protocol or substance I

know of has been as potent or as successful as oleander. One has only

to look at the results of DR. Ozel over the past 40 years (over 70%

success, yet almost always used after chemo and radiation or along

with them as a CAM therapy due to the restrictions of his profession

in Turkey - much like in the USA), the success of Anvirzel and the

success of Sutherlandia OPC and oleander soup.

 

So far, Marc Swanepoel has had well over 100 cancer victims in South

Africa use the OPC the past four plus years for cancers of various

types and stages. The ONLY ones who are not alive and well with their

cancer either gone, shrinking or in remission, are EIGHT people:

three were in their final few days and could not hold down the

supplement or anything else and another five succumbed to major organ

failure as a probably result of prior chemo. That is actually pretty

close to 100% in my way of thinking.

 

Although testimonials are a bit difficult to find and dig up for

oleander soup (have patience, some are coming!), I think it speaks

volumes when you look back over the entire history of posts here at

this group and you find virtually zero unsuccessful stories posted or

posts saying that OS is NOT working. I have never deleted or edited a

single post about an oleander testimonial good or bad!

 

 

oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier "

<drlanphier wrote:

>

> I've been on the Budwig group for about a year and a half, maybe longer.

> First I want to say that I admire the work and diligence of the

moderators.

> It is not easy helping people who are sick. They have done an

excellent job

> in making sure that the CORRECT formulation and diet is understood.

They

> answer the same questions over and over and over (because people are too

> lazy to read the files) and always do it in a respectful manner.

> Personally, I would tire of this very quickly because I don't have a

lot of

> patience with those who refuse to learn how to take responsibilty

for their

> health - of which the first step is that they are asked to read the

files

> for complete instruction. Many on the Internet have chosen to take

liberty

> with the amounts of FO/CC that Dr. B recommended and therefore give out

> incorrect information. It is important to mix the FO/CC in the correct

> ratio and using the correct methods. The main moderator has also put

> together a video on You-Tube that shows exactly how to make the mixture,

> which is extremely helpful. Again, the devotion to the protocol by the

> moderators is outstanding.

>

>

>

> The mantra that I take issue with is that Dr. Budwig said that ALL

> supplementation is synthetic, the body doesn't use it efficiently

(in fact,

> it can do more harm than good) and that you can get all your needed

> vitamins/minerals from your food. Personally, I think the

supplementation

> mantra has been taken to the extreme. There is a lady in South

Africa that

> gets great results using the BP and I have talked with her (though

email)

> and she tests her clients and then gives supplementation according

to what

> it needed. Now, I stress that these people are under the care of a

> practitioner and are not doing the protocol or supplementation without a

> knowledgeable person watching over them. Specifically, Dr. Budwig

did NOT

> recommend HIGH amounts of anti-oxidants. Why? Because her protocol

is all

> about oxygenating the body. In my opinion, this is the best way to

get rid

> of cancer as disease cannot live in an oxygenated state. Many think

that if

> you are oxygenating the body, then you must counter-act with

anti-oxidants

> because of free-radicals. Personally, my belief is that we are so

oxygen

> deificient that it would take a tremendous amount of oxygen before

we would

> even have to worry about free-radicals - so I am not in the " oxygen and

> free-radical " camp. The cancer protocol that I did was also all about

> oxygenating the body. Yes, I took supplements that contained

anti-oxidants

> but not at tremendously high amounts. I did much more oxygenating than

> anti-oxidants.

>

>

>

> I have tried at times to explain to the BP group about " food grade "

> supplementation, but got put on moderated status (which is were I

stay with

> most groups that I am on and that's ok) so basically anything that I say

> about supplements gets censored. Now, I hardly ever post and have

found out

> that there are many that have been treated in this manner....many

that are

> very knowledgeable. The BP is excellent and the diet should be strictly

> followed and I have no argument with that at all. I know,

personally, how

> important it is to be compliant to a program or protocol - it is a

must if

> you want to see results! My concern is about the fear that some

people have

> about any type of supplementation.

>

>

>

> Our food supply (even organic) is becoming more and more

adulterated. It

> does not contain the amount of vitamins and minerals that it did even 25

> years ago. Yet, people will not believe this because they trust the

> " organic standard. " I have read over and over and over about how

there are

> just not enough checks and balances in the organic camp to make sure

that

> every food is grown according to standards. We have witnessed this with

> organic dairys not following standards and very recently with organic

> personal care products. Plus cross contamination of genetically

modified

> crops is a HUGE concern. If our food was really providing enough

nutrients

> then possibly we would not see vegetarians present the same nutritional

> deficiencies as those who are not vegetarians.

>

>

>

> I do want to say that there is a good amount of people who have

followed the

> BP (some very militantly and some have even added supplementation)

that have

> gotten well. I have seen more results with the BP than any other cancer

> diet and this is the one that I recommend. Why some get well and

others do

> not, I don't know. But from what I see with clients it most likely

has to

> do with compliance and whether or not people decide to deal with

past anger,

> hurt and negative emotions. Many think that this is not necessary -

> however, I KNOW that it is necessary IF getting well is the desired

result.

> Some on the BP seem to do better once they ditch their supplements.

There

> could be many reasons for this such as quality of supplements, mixing of

> certain supplements, amounts that are being consumed, MLM

supplements that

> contain sugar such as the fruit berries, etc. And, please realize

that the

> " power of suggestion " is VERY real.

>

>

>

> I am not sure how oleander is classified when it comes to anti-oxidant

> activity. Possibly Marc or Tony can enlighten us about this

specifically.

> Personally, I think it is fine to take along with the BP. Many on

the BP

> use Essiac Tea and that seems to be " allowed " , but not necessarily

> recommended. I believe that oleander has been studied as much or

more as

> other supplements or herbs. However, I do believe that people need

to make

> sure that if they are making the " soup " that the directions should be

> followed, to the letter.

>

>

>

> The BP is a complete lifestyle change which is what is needed when

dealing

> with cancer. It, like other cancer protocols, is a 24/7 program. I

always

> tell clients that the lifestyle that they were living when they

received a

> cancer diagnosis obviously was not conducive to good health and

therefore

> needs to be drastically changed. This is not easy for most people

and some

> will absolutely refuse any type of change and instead opt for

something they

> " think " is " easy " like chemo/radiation. Certainly that is their

choice. We

> are all brought up with the " drugs cure " mentality and it is

difficult to

> put that aside. Many come to the Budwig Protocol very close to

checking-out

> or have been sent home to get their affairs in order; many come

right after

> receiving a diagnosis and many are there seeking information for

loved ones.

> Many get on the protocol and gripe or whine because of the " change "

and how

> difficult it is to make the changes that are required; many dive in with

> both feet, ask a lot of questions and do whatever it takes to become

> compliant. By the way, this last type are the ones that usually get the

> best results. :-)

>

> The truth is that we really don't know for sure what Dr. Budwig

would say,

> personally, about Oleander, Essiac Tea, food-grade supplements or other

> modalities that have come along since her death. The best thing to

do for

> your own particular situation is to research and educate. I think

that the

> help of groups such as this one and others along with finding a

> knowledgeable healthcare professional is very warranted. Just

remember that

> opinions are like belly buttons - most everyone has one. Everyone's

body is

> different in that we are all exposed to different emotions, different

> chemicals, different diets, different everything. We are not clones,

> therefore what works for one may or may not work for someone else.

However,

> what we do know is that when you choose to heal your disease using

natural

> medicine, you do not have to worry about harmful side effects or the

> probability of the treatment fostering new cancer growth or health

concerns,

> down-the-line. You don't have to be concerned about trying to get

healthy

> after " treatment " because all during your protocol your body will

also be

> healing in the manner that is best for it.

>

> By the way, Tony, I so agree with you about Atkins, Trudeau (I

ordered some

> skincare products that he was selling several years back and they were

> absolutely laden with chemicals!!) and others. If there is a " fear

factor "

> in any protocol, then I would suggest much research and education to

learn

> " why " that fear factor is there and if it is really legit. And one more

> thing - there is no magic bullet for cancer in conventional medicine

or in

> natural medicine. None. What works is bringing the body back into

health

> through detoxification & cleansing, healthy diet, supplementation,

> pure-clean water, exercise, sunshine, healthy environment and healthy

> emotions (most do not do near enough work in this area). A lot of work?

> YES. Worth it? ABSOLUTELY!

>

> Be Well

> Loretta

>

[Guest guest]

Tell Sandra that her Budwig protocol will work even better WITH

oleander soup. Or better still, ask her if she would use it when

Budwig fails - as it does an appreciable percentage of the time.

 

Experimental? Yeah - Budwig has been around about half a century or

so. Oleander use only dates back 5000 years to the ancient

Mesopotamians and Phoenicians. For cancer use, it dates back merely

to the 8th century BC (by the Egyptians).

 

Oleander is simply less well known - but I AM working on that! Like

Budwig it is very effective and quite safe when used as directed.

Also like Budwig, it is not a mainstream approved therapy for the most

part, and so we are both condemned to the mainstream " experimental " label.

 

They may have the bigger group and better known protocol - I have the

best group and the best protocol. And the bottom line is that both

are good, they are compatible and what we should be most concerned

about is helping people beat cancer and live longer, healthier and

happier lives.

 

I just knew I would stir up a can of worms when I made my post about

the Budwig Diet and group - lol. Ah well, life would be boring if I

did not give in to my rascally side on occasion.

 

 

oleander soup , " Duane Christensen "

<duanechristensen wrote:

>

> Hi Tony,

>

> Thank you for your quick and useful response. The key person I

> mentioned is Sandra Olson, owner of that of 5000+ list

> members.

>

> http://health.FlaxSeedOil2/

>

> Sandra never said that oleander was not compatible with the Budwig

> Protocol. All she said was as follows:

>

> << I wouldn't consider including something as experimental as

> oleander. The BP works very well without it. >>

>

> And this was in response to a very brief question on the part of

> another person in that group, as follows:

>

> << Sandra, I was reading on a different group and they said oleander

> and Budwig are compatible. What do you think? >>

>

>

> I personaly see no conflict between the two, and I am simply trying to

> find out how one goes about determining what products are compatible

> and what are not. I have been on Protocel for 18 months for prostate

> cancer and discussed that matter at length with Tony Bell by phone.

> Protocel is not compatible with MANY other products, and this includes

> both the Budwig Protocol and oleander.

>

> Duane Christensen

>

[Guest guest]

Hi.....

 

3 meals in, 3 meals out and is very easy to do with somehting that crossed my path last June that totally changes the bathroom scene and most people feel the effects in 24 hours. PLus covering a lot of bases and looking younger another suprise being over 70. I looked for months for somehting that would work to rid my body of a vicious quinolone that affected my muscles in a crippling way which created a lot of other problems and taking this internal bath daily from the top down started working right away in that my muscles started to release.

 

If you have tried everything you know of then contact me personally and I'll direct you to this amazing, safe, organic mysterious acting and effective product that tastes quite mild and just as beneficial for pets.

We had no other option but to improve as nothing else was acceptable as something is very wrong out there when peope have to suffer and do not have the quality of life they deserve.

 

This has an over 20 year track record, saving lives but was not widely known and people living within 5 minutes of the clinic had no idea how close they were to something very life changing. The formulater has a PHD in nutrition and stumbled onto the formulation by accident and then people began to report seemingly miraculous results which both me and my husband have experienced already and our whole family is also on this and loving the results. Our 52 year old son had a lot of little wrinkles starting to show and now they are gone plus he said he lost weight without trying and "nice" bathroom scenes too.

I had so many problems that had dominoed and passed parasites(tapeworms) and other sparkly "stuff" have no idea what it was. I had IBS, systemic candida, my adrenals had reached a 4 and could barely move, a glass of water was even heavy, couldn't stand up straight because of the tight muscles and would hyperventilate, couldn't get into a car much less ride in one, nothing was absorbing and liquid ionic minerals gave me an energy boost, and then Adrenal Factors by Michaels helped a bunch, had myofacia release which was a key move in releasing and repairing facia so muscles could release but still didn't untill this miracle product. Husband had had a heart attack 2 years ago from stress and was taking care of me and he had skin cancers on his face which was blotchy from it..believe it or not everything has changed and his face is smooth now, and his heart doctor read the report of the blood test to him about 5 weeks ago and his cholesterol was perfect and everything else within range a first ever...he had been given lipitor and plavix and he began to look worse and worse and getting stiffer and the heart is a muscle and his thinking was foggier and we stopped all that and went natural.....and then the dramatic changes began to happen since last June for both of us. He shares his story with as many as he can as he is a master electrician and we have our own electrical business....he at 74 is back enjoying what he loves doing but just picking the easy stuff!!!!..I'm standing up straight now and dealing with the fall out of this antibiotic and building and strengthening my skeletel system. (Riding in the car too..) .Now where ths takes us will be very interesting as people have seen the before and after of us and are asking what we are doing....this may be one of the treasures of this century and many many people are learning about this now and truly is saving lives..

 

-Mary 970-282-8551

 

In a message dated 5/18/2008 5:58:12 PM Mountain Daylight Time, drlanphier writes:

 

Hi MaryYou are absolutely correct! That’s why it is so important to research and find food-grade supplementation that does not contain toxic excipients, fillers, flow agents and preservatives. The body will use these supplements effectively if the digestive tract is clean and working effectively. Most people have gut concerns which is one reason they get sick to begin with. Constipation is almost at epidemic rates because conventional medicine tells us 3-4 bowel movements PER WEEK is normal. While it might be normal, it is NOT healthy.

 

Actually, Calcium Orotate is the most absorbable form of calcium with Calcium Hydroxy-Appetite very close behind. They are both excellent forms of calcium. Dr. Hans Nieper did a tremendous amount of work with the orotates and his results were amazing. His book, The Curious Man, is a very good read and very informative. Calcium carbonate is “chalk.â€

 

 

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[Guest guest]

To all concerned,

I personally tried the budwig diet for 3 months. It tasted great, but my gist tumor grew from 7.6 to 9.7 cm during that time. I would not recommend anyone to solely depend on the budwig diet. I even got the correct cheese recommended as a dairy in Davis California produced it.

Bill Wilkins

 

 

-

md29again

oleander soup

2008-05-18 16:25

Re: The "key people" at the Budwig group are wrong!

 

 

 

 

 

Hi...

 

Dr. Budwig may have used unprocessed cottage cheese in Germany and that could have made a big difference in her achieving better results.

 

-Mary 970-282-8551

In a message dated 5/18/2008 12:27:42 PM Mountain Daylight Time, writes:

I don't know who the "key members" in the Budwig Group are, or theirexperiences or qualifications, but I personally will venture that theyare out to lunch unless they provide specific information to change mymind. Certainly the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part of theBudwig diet (and that is the part I recommend highest) is completelycompatible with oleander. Perhaps there are other elements they thinkmight not match up?I have great respect for the Budwig diet (or at least the key elementsof it) and it has been a part of my recommendations from day one. Themakers of Anvirzel vouch for it's compatibility with oleander, as doesMD Anderson lead research scientist Dr. Robert Newman, and so doesMarc Swanepoel (who formulated the Sutherlandia OPC).Add the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part to the naturalanti-cancer protocol I have posted will give you a very good cancerfighting and cancer beating protocol - one that better and morepractical than the Budwig Diet alone.A lot of groups seem to be overly protective and overly zealous oftheir own protocols - maintaining that they must be followed to theletter or else (and on "or else" sometimes is that it gives them anout when the protocol fails!) while rejecting compatibility with otherprotocols.I understand - I am a bit the same way when it comes to oleander andthe things I recommend. However, I have always recommended amulti-element approach. And besides, I KNOW that oleander and therest of the protocol works.I have seen the same attitude with Essaic (NOT a strong standalonecancer treatment, despite the protests of the ardent followers)and anumber of other groups, as well as with groups like the fanaticfollowers of the supreme huckster Trudeau (who knows very little aboutnatural health, but a whole lot about hype and relieving people oftheir money) and the stinky breathed Atkins diet folks (NOT a healthydiet, regardless of the hype and apologists).OK - off my soapbox. Tell those "key people" to put up and tell usspecifically why they believe there is any compatibility or else takeanother look!Tonyoleander soup , "Duane Christensen"<duanechristensen wrote:>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Bill, i am helping 3 friends/relatives who have cancer right now. i am

the " research man " as these friends of mine have no clue even where to

begin. I gave them OPC as a part of their individual protocol.

 

In my research, i found one person who has systematically studied the

whole science of alternative cancer treatment. It is apparent to me

that he spent literally thousands hours on this and he runs an

independent cancer research foundation.

 

His name is Webster Kehr, a highly intelligent researcher, IMO.

 

Go to cancertutor.com, you will learn a lot, as i did.

 

My Best,

 

Kris

 

" Bill " <w.wilkins wrote:

>

> To all concerned,

> I personally tried the budwig diet for 3 months. It tasted great,

but my gist tumor grew from 7.6 to 9.7 cm during that time. I would

not recommend anyone to solely depend on the budwig diet. I even got

the correct cheese recommended as a dairy in Davis California

produced it.

> Bill Wilkins

[Guest guest]

This information is wrong. The body readily absorbs calcium chloride, calcium ascorbate, calcium citrate, etc. ad nauseum.Dr. Goebelmd29again wrote: Hi.. Sometimes our vitamins do not even absorb which I experienced and vitamins can have fillers in them. One health food store person told me when I asked why Calcium carbonate is used many times and she said

because it is cheap. The bones cannot absorb it. She said the only calcium the bones can absorb is the calcium hydroxey apetite and that can be found in the Jarrow formulas in one called BONE UP.....even my chiro alerted me to that one also. -Mary 970-282-8551 In a message dated 5/18/2008 2:43:43 PM Mountain Daylight Time, drlanphier (AT) oasisadvancedwellness (DOT) com writes: I've been on the Budwig group for about a year and a half, maybe longer. First I want to say that I admire the work and diligence of the moderators. It is not easy helping people who are sick. They have done an excellent job in making sure that the CORRECT formulation and diet is understood. They answer the same questions over and over and over (because people are too lazy to read the files) and always do it in a respectful manner. Personally, I would tire of this very quickly because I don’t have a lot of patience with those who refuse to learn how to take responsibilty for their health – of which the first step is that they are asked to read the files for complete instruction. Many on the Internet have chosen to take liberty with the amounts of FO/CC that Dr. B recommended and therefore give out incorrect information. It is important to mix the FO/CC in the correct ratio and using the correct methods. The main

moderator has also put together a video on You-Tube that shows exactly how to make the mixture, which is extremely helpful. Again, the devotion to the protocol by the moderators is outstanding. The mantra that I take issue with is that Dr. Budwig said that ALL supplementation is synthetic, the body doesn't use it efficiently (in fact, it can do more harm than good) and that you can get all your needed vitamins/minerals from your food. Personally, I think the supplementation mantra has been taken to the extreme. There is a lady in South Africa that gets great results using the BP and I have talked with her (though email) and she tests her clients and then gives

supplementation according to what it needed. Now, I stress that these people are under the care of a practitioner and are not doing the protocol or supplementation without a knowledgeable person watching over them. Specifically, Dr. Budwig did NOT recommend HIGH amounts of anti-oxidants. Why? Because her protocol is all about oxygenating the body. In my opinion, this is the best way to get rid of cancer as disease cannot live in an oxygenated state. Many think that if you are oxygenating the body, then you must counter-act with anti-oxidants because of free-radicals. Personally, my belief is that we are so oxygen deificient that it would take a tremendous amount of oxygen before we would even have to worry about free-radicals - so I am not in the "oxygen and free-radical" camp. The cancer protocol that I did was also all about oxygenating the body. Yes, I took supplements that contained anti-oxidants but not at

tremendously high amounts. I did much more oxygenating than anti-oxidants. I have tried at times to explain to the BP group about "food grade" supplementation, but got put on moderated status (which is were I stay with most groups that I am on and that’s ok) so basically anything that I say about supplements gets censored. Now, I hardly ever post and have found out that there are many that have been treated in this manner....many that are very knowledgeable. The BP is excellent and the diet should be strictly followed and I have no argument with that at all. I know, personally, how important it is to be compliant to a program or protocol - it is a must if you want to see results! My concern is about the fear that some people have about any type of

supplementation. Our food supply (even organic) is becoming more and more adulterated. It does not contain the amount of vitamins and minerals that it did even 25 years ago. Yet, people will not believe this because they trust the "organic standard." I have read over and over and over about how there are just not enough checks and balances in the organic camp to make sure that every food is grown according to standards. We have witnessed this with organic dairys not following standards and very recently with organic personal care products. Plus cross contamination of genetically modified crops is a HUGE concern. If our food was really

providing enough nutrients then possibly we would not see vegetarians present the same nutritional deficiencies as those who are not vegetarians. I do want to say that there is a good amount of people who have followed the BP (some very militantly and some have even added supplementation) that have gotten well. I have seen more results with the BP than any other cancer diet and this is the one that I recommend. Why some get well and others do not, I don't know. But from what I see with clients it most likely has to do with compliance and whether or not people decide to deal with past anger, hurt and negative emotions. Many think that this is not

necessary - however, I KNOW that it is necessary IF getting well is the desired result. Some on the BP seem to do better once they ditch their supplements. There could be many reasons for this such as quality of supplements, mixing of certain supplements, amounts that are being consumed, MLM supplements that contain sugar such as the fruit berries, etc. And, please realize that the “power of suggestion†is VERY real. I am not sure how oleander is classified when it comes to anti-oxidant activity. Possibly Marc or Tony can enlighten us about this specifically. Personally, I think it is fine to take along with the BP. Many on the BP use

Essiac Tea and that seems to be "allowed", but not necessarily recommended. I believe that oleander has been studied as much or more as other supplements or herbs. However, I do believe that people need to make sure that if they are making the “soup†that the directions should be followed, to the letter. The BP is a complete lifestyle change which is what is needed when dealing with cancer. It, like other cancer protocols, is a 24/7 program. I always tell clients that the lifestyle that they were living when they received a cancer diagnosis obviously was not conducive to good health and therefore needs to be drastically changed. This is not easy

for most people and some will absolutely refuse any type of change and instead opt for something they “think†is "easy" like chemo/radiation. Certainly that is their choice. We are all brought up with the “drugs cure†mentality and it is difficult to put that aside. Many come to the Budwig Protocol very close to checking-out or have been sent home to get their affairs in order; many come right after receiving a diagnosis and many are there seeking information for loved ones. Many get on the protocol and gripe or whine because of the "change" and how difficult it is to make the changes that are required; many dive in with both feet, ask a lot of questions and do whatever it takes to become compliant. By the way, this last type are the ones that usually get the best results. JThe truth is that we really don’t know for sure what Dr. Budwig would say, personally, about Oleander, Essiac Tea, food-grade supplements or other modalities that have come along since her death. The best thing to do for your own particular situation is to research and educate. I think that the help of groups such as this one and others along with finding a knowledgeable healthcare professional is very warranted. Just remember that opinions are like belly buttons – most everyone has one. Everyone’s body is different in that we are all exposed to different emotions, different chemicals, different diets, different everything. We are not clones, therefore what works for one may or may not work for someone else. However, what we do know is that when you choose to heal your disease using Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.

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Nearly any hard vitamin will be absorbed if you chew it up thoroughly (yuKK!). Calcium and Magnesium carbonate and some other minerals are worthless, however, because it takes way to much stomach acid to neutralize them to an assimillatable form: the chloride.Dr. Goebel"Dr. Loretta Lanphier" <drlanphier wrote: Hi Mary You are absolutely

correct! That’s why it is so important to research and find food-grade supplementation that does not contain toxic excipients, fillers, flow agents and preservatives. The body will use these supplements effectively if the digestive tract is clean and working effectively. Most people have gut concerns which is one reason they get sick to begin with. Constipation is almost at epidemic rates because conventional medicine tells us 3-4 bowel movements PER WEEK is normal. While it might be normal, it is NOT healthy. Actually, Calcium Orotate is the most absorbable form of calcium with Calcium Hydroxy-Appetite very close behind. They are both excellent forms of

calcium. Dr. Hans Nieper did a tremendous amount of work with the orotates and his results were amazing. His book, The Curious Man, is a very good read and very informative. Calcium carbonate is “chalk.” Be Well Loretta Lanphier, ND, CN, HHP, CH www.oawhealth.com Sign-up

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that and went natural.....and then the dramatic changes began to happen since last June for both of us. He shares his story with as many as he can as he is a master electrician and we have our own electrical business....he at 74 is back enjoying what he loves doing but just picking the easy stuff!!!!..I'm standing up straight now and dealing with the fall out of this antibiotic and building and strengthening my skeletel system. (Riding in the car too..) .Now where ths takes us will be very interesting as people have seen the before and after of us and are asking what we are doing....this may be one of the treasures of this century and many many people are learning about this now and truly is saving lives.. -Mary 970-282-8551 In a message dated 5/18/2008 5:58:12 PM Mountain Daylight Time, drlanphier (AT) oasisadvancedwellness (DOT) com writes: Hi MaryYou are absolutely correct! That’s why it is so important to research and find food-grade supplementation that does not contain toxic excipients, fillers, flow agents and preservatives. The body will use these supplements effectively if the digestive tract is clean and working effectively. Most people have gut concerns which is one reason they get sick to begin with. Constipation is almost at epidemic rates

because conventional medicine tells us 3-4 bowel movements PER WEEK is normal. While it might be normal, it is NOT healthy. Actually, Calcium Orotate is the most absorbable form of calcium with Calcium Hydroxy-Appetite very close behind. They are both excellent forms of calcium. Dr. Hans Nieper did a tremendous amount of work with the orotates and his results were amazing. His book, The Curious Man, is a very good read and very informative. Calcium carbonate is “chalk.†Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.

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Dear Tony,

 

Please tell me what brand cottage cheese, what brand yogurt, and

If someone wants to do this, what do they do if they are lactose

Intolerant? (Severely intolerant as in ulcerative colitis)

Also, how does this fly using these foods for a serious issue

like cancer when dairy products are supposed to be so bad for

A person's health? (As in notmilk.com)

Although it's too late to save my colon as I already had the

Operation to remove the diseased portion of it, I am wanting to

Use the Oleander product as a healing substance for my inflamed

Colon which reacts with just about everything I eat, except bland

High crabs which weight are increasing.

I presently do smoothies but they seem to irritate my colon so

I really need help in this direction. I do not have cancer now,

But did have breast cancer at one time. Too late in that

Direction also. But it leaves a person with that " dread " of

What if it happened again?

I have a sister who is dying in a nursing home from stomach

Cancer. They did the chemo and she is a pathetic shell of the

Vibrant person she once was. If it wasn't too late, I'd pour the

Oleander into her, but I can't because family won't believe anything

I tried to tell them. And God forbid they would do anything without

Their doctor's permission. angelatmyside

Thank you

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

> I don't know who the " key members " in the Budwig Group are, or their

> experiences or qualifications, but I personally will venture that

they

> are out to lunch unless they provide specific information to change

my

> mind. Certainly the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part of the

> Budwig diet (and that is the part I recommend highest) is completely

> compatible with oleander. Perhaps there are other elements they

think

> might not match up?

>

> I have great respect for the Budwig diet (or at least the key

elements

> of it) and it has been a part of my recommendations from day one.

The

> makers of Anvirzel vouch for it's compatibility with oleander, as

does

> MD Anderson lead research scientist Dr. Robert Newman, and so does

> Marc Swanepoel (who formulated the Sutherlandia OPC).

>

> Add the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part to the natural

> anti-cancer protocol I have posted will give you a very good cancer

> fighting and cancer beating protocol - one that better and more

> practical than the Budwig Diet alone.

>

> A lot of groups seem to be overly protective and overly zealous of

> their own protocols - maintaining that they must be followed to the

> letter or else (and on " or else " sometimes is that it gives them an

> out when the protocol fails!) while rejecting compatibility with

other

> protocols.

>

> I understand - I am a bit the same way when it comes to oleander and

> the things I recommend. However, I have always recommended a

> multi-element approach. And besides, I KNOW that oleander and the

> rest of the protocol works.

>

> I have seen the same attitude with Essaic (NOT a strong standalone

> cancer treatment, despite the protests of the ardent followers)and a

> number of other groups, as well as with groups like the fanatic

> followers of the supreme huckster Trudeau (who knows very little

about

> natural health, but a whole lot about hype and relieving people of

> their money) and the stinky breathed Atkins diet folks (NOT a

healthy

> diet, regardless of the hype and apologists).

>

> OK - off my soapbox. Tell those " key people " to put up and tell us

> specifically why they believe there is any compatibility or else

take

> another look!

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

[Guest guest]

Well said Tony. I was at that group for a while and got banned for

expressing an opinion about using something in addition to speed up

toxin removal. I KNOW it would not have interfered with any aspect of

the protocol since I researched the protocol well before posting it.

Overzealous moderators is putting it mildly!

 

There are a few people who have been successful with the Budwig diet

but I wouldn't put my 100% trust in it if I had cancer. Seems to be

an effective sunscreen though from the comments I remember at the

group. I actually just bought some flax and quark yesterday and plan

to start taking some daily to build up my skin's sun resistance and

perhaps get rid of some old sun damage. Just about every person in

the western world is depleted of essential fatty acids. No wonder

people get sunburnt and sick and their brains don't function (meaning

ADD, etc).

 

Tony, does your book also come as a hard copy?

 

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

> I don't know who the " key members " in the Budwig Group are, or their

> experiences or qualifications, but I personally will venture that they

> are out to lunch unless they provide specific information to change my

> mind. Certainly the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part of the

> Budwig diet (and that is the part I recommend highest) is completely

> compatible with oleander. Perhaps there are other elements they think

> might not match up?

>

> I have great respect for the Budwig diet (or at least the key elements

> of it) and it has been a part of my recommendations from day one. The

> makers of Anvirzel vouch for it's compatibility with oleander, as does

> MD Anderson lead research scientist Dr. Robert Newman, and so does

> Marc Swanepoel (who formulated the Sutherlandia OPC).

>

> Add the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part to the natural

> anti-cancer protocol I have posted will give you a very good cancer

> fighting and cancer beating protocol - one that better and more

> practical than the Budwig Diet alone.

>

> A lot of groups seem to be overly protective and overly zealous of

> their own protocols - maintaining that they must be followed to the

> letter or else (and on " or else " sometimes is that it gives them an

> out when the protocol fails!) while rejecting compatibility with other

> protocols.

>

> I understand - I am a bit the same way when it comes to oleander and

> the things I recommend. However, I have always recommended a

> multi-element approach. And besides, I KNOW that oleander and the

> rest of the protocol works.

>

> I have seen the same attitude with Essaic (NOT a strong standalone

> cancer treatment, despite the protests of the ardent followers)and a

> number of other groups, as well as with groups like the fanatic

> followers of the supreme huckster Trudeau (who knows very little about

> natural health, but a whole lot about hype and relieving people of

> their money) and the stinky breathed Atkins diet folks (NOT a healthy

> diet, regardless of the hype and apologists).

>

> OK - off my soapbox. Tell those " key people " to put up and tell us

> specifically why they believe there is any compatibility or else take

> another look!

>

> >

> oleander soup , " Duane Christensen "

> <duanechristensen@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I am keenly interest in what you say here:

> >

> > << there is absolutely no conflict between using oleander and the

> > Budwig Protocol. >>

> >

> > How do you know that this is true? Key members in the Budwig

> > group say that the two approaches should not be mixed, though I am not

> > sure why.

> >

> > Duane Christensen

> >

>

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I, too, am lactose intolerant, but tolerate the mixture very well. The thorough blending of the cottage cheese and Flax oil makes them into a substance that is basically non-dairy.

 

The recipe is given in the files at FlaxseedOil2

Corky

 

-

blueinkentucky

oleander soup

Monday, May 19, 2008 9:35 AM

Re: The "key people" at the Budwig group are wrong!

 

 

Dear Tony, Please tell me what brand cottage cheese, what brand yogurt, andIf someone wants to do this, what do they do if they are lactoseIntolerant? (Severely intolerant as in ulcerative colitis)Also, how does this fly using these foods for a serious issuelike cancer when dairy products are supposed to be so bad forA person's health? (As in notmilk.com)Although it's too late to save my colon as I already had the Operation to remove the diseased portion of it, I am wanting toUse the Oleander product as a healing substance for my inflamedColon which reacts with just about everything I eat, except blandHigh crabs which weight are increasing. I presently do smoothies but they seem to irritate my colon soI really need help in this direction. I do not have cancer now,But did have breast cancer at one time. Too late in thatDirection also. But it leaves a person with that "dread" ofWhat if it happened again?I have a sister who is dying in a nursing home from stomachCancer. They did the chemo and she is a pathetic shell of the Vibrant person she once was. If it wasn't too late, I'd pour theOleander into her, but I can't because family won't believe anything I tried to tell them. And God forbid they would do anything withoutTheir doctor's permission. angelatmyside (AT) localnet (DOT) comThank youoleander soup , "Tony" wrote:>> I don't know who the "key members" in the Budwig Group are, or their> experiences or qualifications, but I personally will venture that they> are out to lunch unless they provide specific information to change my> mind. Certainly the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part of the> Budwig diet (and that is the part I recommend highest) is completely> compatible with oleander. Perhaps there are other elements they think> might not match up?> > I have great respect for the Budwig diet (or at least the key elements> of it) and it has been a part of my recommendations from day one. The> makers of Anvirzel vouch for it's compatibility with oleander, as does> MD Anderson lead research scientist Dr. Robert Newman, and so does> Marc Swanepoel (who formulated the Sutherlandia OPC).> > Add the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part to the natural> anti-cancer protocol I have posted will give you a very good cancer> fighting and cancer beating protocol - one that better and more> practical than the Budwig Diet alone.> > A lot of groups seem to be overly protective and overly zealous of> their own protocols - maintaining that they must be followed to the> letter or else (and on "or else" sometimes is that it gives them an> out when the protocol fails!) while rejecting compatibility with other> protocols.> > I understand - I am a bit the same way when it comes to oleander and> the things I recommend. However, I have always recommended a> multi-element approach. And besides, I KNOW that oleander and the> rest of the protocol works.> > I have seen the same attitude with Essaic (NOT a strong standalone> cancer treatment, despite the protests of the ardent followers)and a> number of other groups, as well as with groups like the fanatic> followers of the supreme huckster Trudeau (who knows very little about> natural health, but a whole lot about hype and relieving people of> their money) and the stinky breathed Atkins diet folks (NOT a healthy> diet, regardless of the hype and apologists).> > OK - off my soapbox. Tell those "key people" to put up and tell us> specifically why they believe there is any compatibility or else take> another look!> > Tony>

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Sharon -I feel your pain! I have been banned from at least 4 groups because the so-called alternative health groups were not receptive to any alternatives they had already chosen. Arrggghh!You are right about the deficiency in essential fatty acids. What most people do not realize is that almost all of us are also deficient in the vital minerals that are the building blocks to every thing else in the body. Without the proper amount of the right minerals, NOTHING works as it is intended to - and that includes the vital trace minerals that have largely been depleted from our soils over the past century.Fortunately, there is a huge prehistoric deposit of plant derived trace minerals in Utah and a wonderful product that provides the pre-digested minerals in the same proportions as they were found in the plants that ended up making the deposits.Here is the product:75 Plant Based Minerals And, since it is from my friend Ben Taylor's Utopia Silver Supplement Company, you can get it (and all other products they have which are not currently on sale) at a 15% discount when you put in our group code LR001.No, my book is not available in hard cover version - but the successor I am working on "Cancer's Natural Enemies" will be. The e-book version allows me to update the book constantly and the current version (as of just the past few weeks) is over 50 pages longer than the original.Tonyoleander soup , "Sharon" <energy_now wrote:>> Well said Tony. I was at that group for a while and got banned for> expressing an opinion about using something in addition to speed up> toxin removal. I KNOW it would not have interfered with any aspect of> the protocol since I researched the protocol well before posting it.> Overzealous moderators is putting it mildly! > > There are a few people who have been successful with the Budwig diet> but I wouldn't put my 100% trust in it if I had cancer. Seems to be> an effective sunscreen though from the comments I remember at the> group. I actually just bought some flax and quark yesterday and plan> to start taking some daily to build up my skin's sun resistance and> perhaps get rid of some old sun damage. Just about every person in> the western world is depleted of essential fatty acids. No wonder> people get sunburnt and sick and their brains don't function (meaning> ADD, etc).> > Tony, does your book also come as a hard copy?> > Sharon Hoehner> www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen > > > > oleander soup , "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > I don't know who the "key members" in the Budwig Group are, or their> > experiences or qualifications, but I personally will venture that they> > are out to lunch unless they provide specific information to change my> > mind. Certainly the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part of the> > Budwig diet (and that is the part I recommend highest) is completely> > compatible with oleander. Perhaps there are other elements they think> > might not match up?> > > > I have great respect for the Budwig diet (or at least the key elements> > of it) and it has been a part of my recommendations from day one. The> > makers of Anvirzel vouch for it's compatibility with oleander, as does> > MD Anderson lead research scientist Dr. Robert Newman, and so does> > Marc Swanepoel (who formulated the Sutherlandia OPC).> > > > Add the flaxseed and cottage cheese/yogurt part to the natural> > anti-cancer protocol I have posted will give you a very good cancer> > fighting and cancer beating protocol - one that better and more> > practical than the Budwig Diet alone.> > > > A lot of groups seem to be overly protective and overly zealous of> > their own protocols - maintaining that they must be followed to the> > letter or else (and on "or else" sometimes is that it gives them an> > out when the protocol fails!) while rejecting compatibility with other> > protocols.> > > > I understand - I am a bit the same way when it comes to oleander and> > the things I recommend. However, I have always recommended a> > multi-element approach. And besides, I KNOW that oleander and the> > rest of the protocol works.> > > > I have seen the same attitude with Essaic (NOT a strong standalone> > cancer treatment, despite the protests of the ardent followers)and a> > number of other groups, as well as with groups like the fanatic> > followers of the supreme huckster Trudeau (who knows very little about> > natural health, but a whole lot about hype and relieving people of> > their money) and the stinky breathed Atkins diet folks (NOT a healthy> > diet, regardless of the hype and apologists).> > > > OK - off my soapbox. Tell those "key people" to put up and tell us> > specifically why they believe there is any compatibility or else take> > another look!> > > > Tony> > > > oleander soup , "Duane Christensen"> > <duanechristensen@> wrote:> > >> > > Hi ,> > > > > > I am keenly interest in what you say here:> > > > > > << there is absolutely no conflict between using oleander and the> > > Budwig Protocol. >>> > > > > > How do you know that this is true? Key members in the Budwig > > > group say that the two approaches should not be mixed, though I am not> > > sure why. > > > > > > Duane Christensen> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

There is a high probability that most

natural cancer programs are not going to give tremendous results in 3 months. We

must allow the body time to heal and patience is a virtue when it comes to

healing naturally. A person does not get cancer overnight. The cancer

has usually been growing for at least 5-10 years, so for us to expect healing

or even a response in three months is most likely very premature. A good

natural medicine program can take 6-12 months or even more for a response and

that is IF the program is being followed correctly and emotions and stress

issues are being worked on. It took me 8 months to heal and we were not

dealing with a tumor.

 

Many patients find, when using natural

medicine to heal, the disease may get worse or the tumor may grow. This can

actually be part of the healing process. There are many testimonies of

this at the FO/CC group. When you understand exactly “why”

there is a tumor, this growth should not be so concerning, unless the tumor is

pressing on a vital organ.

 

As I said before there are many that

have healed using just the BP and there are those that have healed using the BP

and other supplementation and health modalities. It has taken a while for the

healing to be complete, thus discipline and tenacity are necessary. As far as

being lactose intolerant, if the FO/CC are mixed correctly an emulsification

occurs which usually enables people who are truly lactose intolerant to take

the mixture without concern. By the way, many who have been told they are

lactose really are not but are allergic to the “extras” that are

included in many dairy products.

 

For those doing or considering the Budwig Protocol, I highly encourage you to

do it EXACTLY like Dr. B recommended which means fresh organic flaxseed oil (extra

lignans in the oil means you will pay more and it is not necessary for results),

organic cottage cheese (because of the adulteration of dairy) such as Nancy’s

and FRESHLY ground flaxseeds. Flax is highly succeptable to oxygenation

and will become rancid fast – especially ground flax. Buy the seeds

and grind them FRESH for each serving. Barlean’s sells them for a good

price, I just wish they would bottle their FO in glass! I also believe

that there is a company that has a “pill” that is supposed to mimic

the FO/CC blend. To date, we have not heard of one person with cancer

getting good results from this product. This is one protocol where it is best

not to cut corners no matter how good of a product someone may have come up

with, unless there is proof that it definitely gets the same results for cancer

patients.

 

I have read what Webster Kehr has to say

and I believe he certainly has done research that, at least, gets people to

begin doing their own research. For instance, I see nothing special about

the Cellect and because of the dosage that he recommends, it is most likely NOT

compatable with the Budwig Protocol even though he says that it is. He also

promotes the MLM “juices” which are mostly a waste of money, in my

opinion. It is in eating the WHOLE fruit that you get the complete

synergistic benefits of that fruit and thus you will not experience a spike in

blood sugar. Eating the whole fruit also allows the body to utilize the

vitamins, mineral, fiber, water and OXYGEN content properly. He also does

not understand how to mix the FO/CC mixture correctly; it will not work to just

mix it together with a spoon as it must be emulsified. Also, to my

knowledge, Dr. Budwig does NOT endorse mixing Cod Liver Oil with the FO/CC

mixture as Kehr recommends. He does recommend some good modalities but since he

does not have the Budwig protocol exactly correct, it makes me wonder about

other recommendations. If someone is not following a protocol correctly

then expecting good results may not be realistic. Again, his site is an

excellent place to start and I know it has helped a lot of people.

 

All I am saying is to do your research and don’t stop. Make sure that everything

you are doing works together synergistically, that you understand and have

correct directions on HOW to implement modalities and that you FOLLOW the

program militantly. Cancer does not take a holiday and thus we shouldn’t

either. If you find yourself taking a tremendous amount of different

suppplements then most probably you are not on a program that works together

synergistically. It is so worth the time and effort to be under a

knowledgeable “watchful” eye. Before I got on a program under

a watchful eye, I was spending $200/week at the health food store because

anytime someone even hinted that I “needed” this or that product, I

ran out and purchased it.

 

One more thing….detoxification, cleansing

and keeping the liver supported and clean is VERY important. Many protocols don’t

even address this thus, in my opinion, the reason many don’t achieve

success. Absorption, transportation and utilization are greatly impaired in

those with disease – detoxification and cleansing will help to make sure

that what is put into the body will be used effectively.

 

Be Well

 

Loretta

www.oasisadvancedwellness.com