Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 -Tony, We all need to think about ways to by-pass the Big Pharma controlled media in order to get the life-saving message out to those millions who are desperately in need of facts. There are a few big name shows such as Ophrah that you mentioned, and Larry King on CNN. How about a letters to the editor newspaper campaign. Or even notes put up on local public bulletin boards, website addresses, etc. A drop in the bucket maybe, but maybe even a ripple in the stream that reaches someone who needs it. Betty-- In oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > Betty - > > I am sure that no one has been more frustrated than me over this > issue! Here I am, having researched and written a book about > oleander, and hosted a forum for five years, as well as having written > numerous articles and KNOW, absolutely KNOW, that I have information > that could save millions of lives and yet . . . we have been so > brainwashed, as have our doctors, and mainstream medicine and the huge > world pharma empire so control practically every media outlet, hardly > anyone will listen. > > You name the show, the national magazine or newspaper, from Oprah to > the NY Times and many many others, I have gotten no one to listen. As > a good friend of mine on the staff of the Dallas Morning News told me > - you will never get your story past the science and medicine people, > they are totally devoted to the mainstream medical people and will > publish nothing that threatens them. And the people that sell drugs > and medical services spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of > dollars in advertising. > > It is all about money. And yet I keep trying - thinking that if we > could just save the life of one or two " celebrities " (not that their > lives are any more valuable than anyone else's) it might capture the > imagination and wake enough people up. I wonder if a email campaign > to Oprah might work? I have the email address . . . > > > > oleander soup , Betty Edwards <beted711@> wrote: > > > > Hi. Do any of you feel as frustrated as I do when I read/hear about > those with " terminal " cancer, and wonder if they have any knowledge of > alternative healing? I am referring to John Edwards' wife, and Randy > Pausch ( " The Last Lecture " ) the most recent ones in the news. It just > seems that they have accepted their fate and prepare to die. Are they > relying solely on their doctors' evaluation? How does one reach these > brave, but perhaps uninformed people? Betty > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Betty: ...They have accepted their fate and prepare to die. Are they relying solely on their doctors' evaluation? How does one reach these brave, but perhaps uninformed people? BeiYin: These 'brave people' are uninformed and the sad fact is that they don't want to be informed. They are depending on authorities and are still in a kind of infantile state, they are not grown up and that's the majority of 'normal' people in our established society. A system that is build out of those brave people, who support and hold the established form, a representation of their own self image. Different life styles are ignored or been made redicueless or attacked. I am trying since more than thirty years to do something about it, by offering information and the physical space to make ones own experience to go beyond those limited established life styles, attitudes and habits and I tell you this has been a very disappointing experience, similar as Tony has told about: Tony: no one has been more frustrated than me over this issue! Here I am, having researched and written a book about oleander, and hosted a forum for five years, as well as having written numerous articles and KNOW, absolutely KNOW, that I have information that could save millions of lives and yet... We have been so brainwashed, as have our doctors, and mainstream medicine and the huge world pharma empire so control practically every media outlet, hardly anyone will listen. BeiYin: People want to depend; they don't want to be responsible, not for what happens in the world and not for themselves. So then of course they don't want to listen to something that doesn't confirm their state of being with all the stuff that belongs to their life. I don't see it that much as being 'brainwashed'. The brain is a tool that is used only in a very reduced way and the environment and their established life style helps people to stay in their dull and numb zombie like state. The intention to save lives and knowing this is possible with oleander and then not having response, is indeed frustrating. But also knowing that saving millions of lives and that then those millions of Africans will leave their country looking to survive in rich countries and all what then results from this, etc. might one doubt about ones intention. I thought about it and came to the conclusion that saving life is not enough, the most effective would be to treat the root cause and that is the reduced use of the human brain that is capable for much more. This of course is connected with the awareness of people and their state of consciousness. So why people are turning around themselves and are not interested to change something about it? They are involved in a game that is common and well established and confirms their used feeling of existence. To change something about this is hardly possible, the best intention coming from outside to influence in a positive and creative way will fail. The urge for a change will need to come from inside and that mostly will happen through passing a lot of suffering... I know a way and have been practicing it for more than fifty years, that it is possible to go beyond ones limitation without too much suffering and so I have dedicated my energy to offer information about it. I have encountered the same difficulties as Tony: Hardly anybody is interested. I have tried to find people with the same intention, to form a team to be more effective, but with the same difficulties... I am still thinking about how it could be possible that helpful information could reach people, who are more or less are all in need, not knowing how to do something about it, except taking some pills... or get drunken. Tony: You name the show, the national magazine or newspaper, from Oprah to the NY Times and many many others, I have gotten no one to listen. As a good friend of mine on the staff of the Dallas Morning News told me - you will never get your story past the science and medicine people, they are totally devoted to the mainstream medical people and will publish nothing that threatens them. And the people that sell drugs and medical services spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars in advertising. It is all about money. And yet I keep trying - thinking that if we could just save the life of one or two " celebrities " (not that their lives are any more valuable than anyone else's) it might capture the imagination and wake enough people up. I wonder if an email campaign to Oprah might work? I have the email address... BeiYin: It's not just about money, there is much more behind and I don't think there is a possibility to enter into a back door of the system. It might be that the only way is your presence here in the Internet and make your information available to every one who is looking for it. But maybe we can use this platform to find out about something else. I am interested and would like to use the last part of my life to use my remaining energy for something effective to help people to get out of their cage... To be healed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 -BeiYin, you make some excellent points. Obviously you have given this much thought. There will always be a segment of any society who do not do much thinking for themselves. They truly are part of the " bewildered herd " , living shallow lives, interested mainly in being entertained and taken care of. It is futile to try to reach them as they are happy in their ignorance. It is the others who need our efforts. Even among this group there are many who still put all their faith in doctors and pharmaceuticals. So I guess my point is this: Let he who has ears, hear. Get the word out to as many as possible, and some will benefit. Some will not, at least at first. But who knows, maybe somewhere down the road it will sink in as circumstances change. It does seem to me that we have an obligation to spread this great discovery to the best of our abilities. Life is precious. Betty -- In oleander soup , " idbeiyin " <Being wrote: > > Betty: ...They have accepted their fate and prepare to die. Are they > relying solely on their doctors' evaluation? How does one reach these > brave, but perhaps uninformed people? > > BeiYin: These 'brave people' are uninformed and the sad fact is that > they don't want to be informed. They are depending on authorities and > are still in a kind of infantile state, they are not grown up and > that's the majority of 'normal' people in our established society. A > system that is build out of those brave people, who support and hold > the established form, a representation of their own self image. > Different life styles are ignored or been made redicueless or > attacked. I am trying since more than thirty years to do something > about it, by offering information and the physical space to make ones > own experience to go beyond those limited established life styles, > attitudes and habits and I tell you this has been a very disappointing > experience, similar as Tony has told about: > > Tony: no one has been more frustrated than me over this issue! Here I > am, having researched and written a book about oleander, and hosted a > forum for five years, as well as having written numerous articles and > KNOW, absolutely KNOW, that I have information that could save > millions of lives and yet... We have been so brainwashed, as have our > doctors, and mainstream medicine and the huge world pharma empire so > control practically every media outlet, hardly anyone will listen. > > BeiYin: People want to depend; they don't want to be responsible, not > for what happens in the world and not for themselves. So then of > course they don't want to listen to something that doesn't confirm > their state of being with all the stuff that belongs to their life. I > don't see it that much as being 'brainwashed'. The brain is a tool > that is used only in a very reduced way and the environment and their > established life style helps people to stay in their dull and numb > zombie like state. > The intention to save lives and knowing this is possible with oleander > and then not having response, is indeed frustrating. But also knowing > that saving millions of lives and that then those millions of Africans > will leave their country looking to survive in rich countries and all > what then results from this, etc. might one doubt about ones intention. > I thought about it and came to the conclusion that saving life is not > enough, the most effective would be to treat the root cause and that > is the reduced use of the human brain that is capable for much more. > This of course is connected with the awareness of people and their > state of consciousness. So why people are turning around themselves > and are not interested to change something about it? They are involved > in a game that is common and well established and confirms their used > feeling of existence. To change something about this is hardly > possible, the best intention coming from outside to influence in a > positive and creative way will fail. The urge for a change will need > to come from inside and that mostly will happen through passing a lot > of suffering... > I know a way and have been practicing it for more than fifty years, > that it is possible to go beyond ones limitation without too much > suffering and so I have dedicated my energy to offer information about > it. I have encountered the same difficulties as Tony: Hardly anybody > is interested. I have tried to find people with the same intention, to > form a team to be more effective, but with the same difficulties... > I am still thinking about how it could be possible that helpful > information could reach people, who are more or less are all in need, > not knowing how to do something about it, except taking some pills... > or get drunken. > > Tony: You name the show, the national magazine or newspaper, from > Oprah to the NY Times and many many others, I have gotten no one to > listen. As a good friend of mine on the staff of the Dallas Morning > News told me - you will never get your story past the science and > medicine people, they are totally devoted to the mainstream medical > people and will publish nothing that threatens them. And the people > that sell drugs and medical services spend hundreds of thousands, if > not millions, of dollars in advertising. > It is all about money. And yet I keep trying - thinking that if we > could just save the life of one or two " celebrities " (not that their > lives are any more valuable than anyone else's) it might capture the > imagination and wake enough people up. I wonder if an email campaign > to Oprah might work? I have the email address... > > BeiYin: It's not just about money, there is much more behind and I > don't think there is a possibility to enter into a back door of the > system. It might be that the only way is your presence here in the > Internet and make your information available to every one who is > looking for it. > But maybe we can use this platform to find out about something else. I > am interested and would like to use the last part of my life to use my > remaining energy for something effective to help people to get out of > their cage... To be healed. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 I believe the problem here is--lack of "evidence". I know family members, whose mother and aunt died of breast cancer, and a sister that got "cured" of breast cancer via regular western medicine that almost killed her anyway, a brother that died of petroleum based leukemia and a father that has now been diagnosed with the same petroleum leukemia, and they just have zero experience with alternative methods. They personally know no one that has ever taken the alternative route, and though they'd LIKE to belive there's something else out there that will cure cancer, they have never seen it. I tell them, and though I give them lots of information and they read it, they don't trust it. And they won't/can't do their own research because I've been told "there's so much info out there it's too overwhelming. And contradictory." Which is true. How do they know who to trust? They know they can't trust the doctors, but it seems to them to be the only choice they have. A doctor will say "surgery, chemo and radiation". At least all doctors agree on this, so uninformed people think this must be the only thing that has been investigated that actually works. They search the net and see--pau d'arco tea cures cancer, this new rainforest herb cures cancer, this juice cures cancer, this alkaline water cures cancer, this--, and so on. Their question is -- if each of these cures cancer, how come there's still cancer? They don't understand that it takes a wholly rounded method to fight cancer, plus they may have to try different products to find what works for THEM. And without personal experience, it all comes down to--is this real? So, how do you convince someone that yes, these things are real. BUT--never, ever put your faith in just one thing. You MUST nourish the body with whole, healthy foods, detox the body with good and safe products, and support the body with the right supplements along with taking the cancer killing oleander, or teas, or whatever. But again--there's no doctor that will tell them about the real foods they should be eating. So--how do they choose? The low fat method, the no-sugar method, the high protein method, the juice fast method, the phytonutrients method, the Budwig diet, the--and so on. If they can't even get that information correct, how are they going to know/believe which supplements can help them? And doctors want to scare them into immediate surgery and chemo. Doctors don't give a patient time. They don't say "well, ok, you still have 4 to 6 months before we NEED to do something. Go home and do some research". Nope--it's "do this now or die". I have researched alternative healing protocols for over 15 years. I have a good handle on what is necessary. But--I'm not a doctor. So my cousins don't believe me. They will ask me for information, but they don't actually believe what I tell them. They WANT to believe that there's something else, but they are just too frightened. And until these types of people hear their doctors tell them the truth, or hear it on main-stream media, we are fighting a loosing battle. But I still tell people because if even just one person listens and believes, then I will have done some good. But it's hard. And frustrating. And disappointing. We just have to keep doing what we do and hope for a breakthrough in human consciousness. At least that's my 2 bits. :-) Samala, Renee ---- -Tony, We all need to think about ways to by-pass the Big Pharma controlled media in order to get the life-saving message out to those millions who are desperately in need of facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 -Renee, Here is my problem with your relatives' way of thinking. If 3 out of 4 of them died after conventional treatment, then where is the " evidence " that regular western medicine works? Just the opposite, evidence that it does not work. For the life of me I can't understand their reluctance to try something else that has worked for others. Perhaps one reason might be that they would have to take responsibility for doing something on their own whereas with conventional treatment they might just have to show up and be done to. I know how terrifying it must be when your life is at stake, and I am not passing judgement. Betty oleander soup , " Gaiacita " <gaiacita wrote: > > I believe the problem here is--lack of " evidence " . I know family members, > whose mother and aunt died of breast cancer, and a sister that got " cured " > of breast cancer via regular western medicine that almost killed her anyway, > a brother that died of petroleum based leukemia and a father that has now > been diagnosed with the same petroleum leukemia, and they just have zero > experience with alternative methods. They personally know no one that has > ever taken the alternative route, and though they'd LIKE to belive there's > something else out there that will cure cancer, they have never seen it. > > I tell them, and though I give them lots of information and they read it, > they don't trust it. And they won't/can't do their own research because I > ve been told " there's so much info out there it's too overwhelming. And > contradictory. " Which is true. How do they know who to trust? They know > they can't trust the doctors, but it seems to them to be the only choice > they have. > > A doctor will say " surgery, chemo and radiation " . At least all doctors > agree on this, so uninformed people think this must be the only thing that > has been investigated that actually works. > > They search the net and see--pau d'arco tea cures cancer, this new > rainforest herb cures cancer, this juice cures cancer, this alkaline water > cures cancer, this--, and so on. Their question is -- if each of these > cures cancer, how come there's still cancer? They don't understand that it > takes a wholly rounded method to fight cancer, plus they may have to try > different products to find what works for THEM. And without personal > experience, it all comes down to--is this real? > > So, how do you convince someone that yes, these things are real. BUT--never > ever put your faith in just one thing. You MUST nourish the body with > whole, healthy foods, detox the body with good and safe products, and > support the body with the right supplements along with taking the cancer > killing oleander, or teas, or whatever. > > But again--there's no doctor that will tell them about the real foods they > should be eating. So--how do they choose? The low fat method, the no-sugar > method, the high protein method, the juice fast method, the phytonutrients > method, the Budwig diet, the--and so on. If they can't even get that > information correct, how are they going to know/believe which supplements > can help them? > > And doctors want to scare them into immediate surgery and chemo. Doctors > don't give a patient time. They don't say " well, ok, you still have 4 to 6 > months before we NEED to do something. Go home and do some research " . > Nope--it's " do this now or die " . > > I have researched alternative healing protocols for over 15 years. I have a > good handle on what is necessary. But--I'm not a doctor. So my cousins don > t believe me. They will ask me for information, but they don't actually > believe what I tell them. They WANT to believe that there's something else, > but they are just too frightened. > > And until these types of people hear their doctors tell them the truth, or > hear it on main-stream media, we are fighting a loosing battle. But I still > tell people because if even just one person listens and believes, then I > will have done some good. > > But it's hard. And frustrating. And disappointing. We just have to keep > doing what we do and hope for a breakthrough in human consciousness. > > At least that's my 2 bits. :-) > > Samala, > Renee > > ---- > > -Tony, We all need to think about ways to by-pass the Big Pharma > controlled media in order to get the life-saving message out to those > millions who are desperately in need of facts. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Oh, I totally agree. But--that's the society we've come to. No one wants to take responsibility. They have been taught to look to others. Everything they say--that it's too complicated, too overwhelming--is just an excuse not to have to say "ok, I choose to do this MY way even if I don't have my doctor's blessing". It's sad. But I find this in almost everyone I talk to. "Where's the evidence?" everyone says. And though they may not know anyone personally that has done alternative therapies, they do certainly know people that have done traditional western therapies and "lived". So that is their only visible proof. Even if mostly the allopathic route doesn't work, or only works for a while, or does actually "work" but contains horrible side effects. My Mom, when I would talk about how wrong chemo and radiation are, and how much damage they do, would say "well, what about Lance Armstrong?". The media only enforces what the people that refuse to think for themselves believe is the truth--that allopathic medicine is the only tested way. It's sad for us all. Samala, Renee ---- -Renee, Here is my problem with your relatives' way of thinking. If 3 out of 4 of them died after conventional treatment, then where is the "evidence" that regular western medicine works? Just the opposite, evidence that it does not work. For the life of me I can't understand their reluctance to try something else that has worked for others. Perhaps one reason might be that they would have to take responsibility for doing something on their own whereas with conventional treatment they might just have to show up and be done to. I know how terrifying it must be when your life is at stake, and I am not passing judgement. Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 One of the problems with our society is we all know someone who was "cured" or "saved" by conventional medicine. That seems to override the simple fact that we all know many more who were killed by it. In a message dated 4/10/2008 11:05:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, beted711 writes: Renee, Here is my problem with your relatives' way of thinking. If 3 out of 4 of them died after conventional treatment, then where is the "evidence" that regular western medicine works? Just the opposite, evidence that it does not work. For the life of me I can't understand their reluctance to try something else that has worked for others. Perhaps one reason might be that they would have to take responsibility for doing something on their own whereas with conventional treatment they might just have to show up and be done to. I know how terrifying it must be when your life is at stake, and I am not passing judgement. Betty Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Renee and all the other who right in hit the nail on the had but who listens. iam pissed and frasteted when people said strait out did you go to the doctor? but never say did you do something wright or natural about your problem? iam ready to give up with complaining people, who go strait to the medicine cabinet instad of the garden to pick up fresh medicine. frasteded Mary - Gaiacita oleander soup Friday, April 11, 2008 3:02 PM Re: Re: Calling Oprah, callking Oprah Oh, I totally agree. But--that's the society we've come to. No one wants to take responsibility. They have been taught to look to others. Everything they say--that it's too complicated, too overwhelming--is just an excuse not to have to say "ok, I choose to do this MY way even if I don't have my doctor's blessing". It's sad. But I find this in almost everyone I talk to. "Where's the evidence?" everyone says. And though they may not know anyone personally that has done alternative therapies, they do certainly know people that have done traditional western therapies and "lived". So that is their only visible proof. Even if mostly the allopathic route doesn't work, or only works for a while, or does actually "work" but contains horrible side effects. My Mom, when I would talk about how wrong chemo and radiation are, and how much damage they do, would say "well, what about Lance Armstrong?". The media only enforces what the people that refuse to think for themselves believe is the truth--that allopathic medicine is the only tested way. It's sad for us all. Samala, Renee ---- -Renee, Here is my problem with your relatives' way of thinking. If 3 out of 4 of them died after conventional treatment, then where is the "evidence" that regular western medicine works? Just the opposite, evidence that it does not work. For the life of me I can't understand their reluctance to try something else that has worked for others. Perhaps one reason might be that they would have to take responsibility for doing something on their own whereas with conventional treatment they might just have to show up and be done to. I know how terrifying it must be when your life is at stake, and I am not passing judgement. Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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