Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Thank you Tony for your honest reply. - " Tony " <oleander soup > Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:49 AM [!! SPAM] Re: Question for > Bob - > > It might but I would be hesitant to use it because oleander is the > most potent immune booster on the planet and so it might make your > dog's immune system attacks on it's own RBC's and platelets far worse. > > I am sorry to say that I am at a loss as to what to recommend. > Perhaps others here more knowledgeable than I can help? > > > > oleander soup , " bbanever " <bbanever wrote: >> >> Hello Tony, >> >> My dog has hemolytic anemia, an autoimmune disorder. Would > oleander >> (or Sutherlandia OPC) have any positive effect on this condition? His >> immune system attacks his own RBC's and platelets. He is now on > prednisone >> and cyclosporine to suppress him immune system. I hate giving him > these but >> without them he would have died. The disease, when it strikes, > progresses >> rapidy and is fatal in a few days if not treated. Thanks again for > all that >> you do. >> >> Bob >> - >> " Tony " >> <oleander soup > >> Monday, April 07, 2008 7:49 PM >> Re: pissed and confused >> >> >> >I think that your message, while well meaning, may come across a bit >> > harsher than you mean it to - as in lecturing instead of relating. >> > Nevertheless, I think your intent is good and I hope Angel feels the >> > same. >> > >> > BTW - I took a look at your website. What a great place you have at >> > FrancoBlanco! >> > >> > >> > >> > oleander soup , " idbeiyin " <Being@> wrote: >> >> >> >> oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo@> wrote: >> >> >> >> BeiYin: Angel, I will respond to your message because I went to a >> >> similar experience and I have learned from it, so I will try to share >> >> it, although it goes further then the physical. First I will make my >> >> comment to what you wrote: >> >> >> >> Angel: I learned that I was already living healthier than 90% of the >> >> population - but still there was so much more that I was mistakenly >> >> doing that was harmful to my health and my dog's health. >> >> >> >> BeiYin: If you move in heavy trafic every day and you use only 90% of >> >> your attention, then it is likely that sooner or later you will have >> >> an accident. Right? >> >> >> >> Angel: since then, 8 years ago - I've lived a phenomenally healthy >> >> lifestyle in every way that is considered healthy by the holistic >> >> community standards. >> >> >> >> BeiYin: Even though your lifestyle is healthy, there are so many >> >> influences from your surrounding that are not healthy and you can't >> >> avoid these unless you stay in a sealed room and that's not possible. >> >> Depending where you live, in a city or in the country, you are taking >> >> in enough toxins, that will accumulate and then might cause a > disease. >> >> >> >> Angel: If a person who is SO disciplined about excluding all possible >> >> toxins from her home, from her diet, from her personal products, who >> >> eats only hearty, totally organic and unprocessed foods, mostly even >> >> raw, uses the most pure and potent supplements, etc. But I'm just so >> >> frickin' confused and PISSED! >> >> >> >> BeiYin: This tells that you are not informed enough. It seems to be >> >> impossible to avoid all toxins. In what kind of house you are living? >> >> The building material is mostly toxic. Your furniture, your carpets, >> >> your cloth, plastic articles you use, all is more or less toxic. You >> >> can't be sure that even the biological grown food is not toxic and >> >> also not the supplements. Every thing that is connected with > money one >> >> can't trust... >> >> >> >> Angel: It's not even the classic " why ME?! " thing that's pissing me >> >> off, but rather the " how in heaven's name can " ANY PERSON " who lives >> >> this healthily get hit with cancer? >> >> >> >> BeiYin: You are angry now and confused. You think that you have done >> >> something wrong. Of course you have done something wrong, because >> >> nobody is perfect and nobody can avoid all bad influences. You > did the >> >> best you could - on the physical level, but what about all the other >> >> that belongs to you? >> >> >> >> Angel: Or to turn it around - If ANY PERSON who lives this healthily >> >> can get cancer too - what the hell is the point of all the sacrifice, >> >> and discipline, and extra money spent to live this healthy way? >> >> What's the point?!!! >> >> >> >> BeiYin: The point might be that you come down from your rose perfect >> >> cloud of healthy living and get to know more about reality. You can't >> >> live perfection on the outside and forget the need of essential parts >> >> of yourself. >> >> >> >> Angel: I'm not depressed, and I'm not hopeless - I know I'll beat > this >> >> thing. Don't ask me how I know - I just know - so I'm not scared and >> >> depressed or anything like that. I'm just so CONFUSED! >> >> >> >> BeiYin: You are in a good position: being confused and not being >> >> depressed. What allows you to ask questions, not falling into a dark >> >> void. >> >> >> >> Angel: Confused because ALL the knowledge I've gathered in the last 8 >> >> years completely contradicts the possibility of this cancer > diagnosis! >> >> >> >> BeiYin: Again: come down to the floor of reality and understand that >> >> your learning was not enough and that there is a lot more to learn! >> >> >> >> Angel: And confused because I can't decide what to do now!? I > know all >> >> that knowledge about natural health makes sense, it's logical - >> >> knowing what I know now. It's reasonable and makes sense. But so >> >> what??!! Who cares!!?? The OBJECTIVE wasn't just to KNOW it and > USE it >> >> for it's own sake, but rather to AVOID getting sick!!! >> >> >> >> BeiYin: First you need to calm down, then you can search and look at >> >> all the information you are receiving and then you make your > decision. >> >> There is coming in more information then you are asking for because >> >> all you mention turns around 'natural health' and this is a limited >> >> level. It depends on your ability to take in something that goes >> >> beyond this. >> >> >> >> Angel: And how the hell do I UN-learn all that I know now? I > mean, how >> >> do I stuff my face with that doughnut and FORGET about all the >> >> artificial crap that's in it, so I can enjoy it like a " normal " > person?? >> >> >> >> BeiYin: You don't need to unlearn thing about 'natural health' but if >> >> you want to live a normal life like every body else around you and >> >> that means that you can enjoy junk food, then indeed there is quite >> >> something more to learn. That is so much, that a 'normal' person is >> >> not capable for it. That's the bad news. The good news is that > you are >> >> capable. >> >> First you need to understand that disease is not what normal people >> >> see in it. I can't tell you now, then this post would be too > long. But >> >> you are motivated to find out about it yourself. You can go to my Web >> >> site, where I have told the story about my self healing process from >> >> Fibromyalgia and from an Inguinal Hernia. You might get some >> >> inspiration out of it... >> >> Now only that much more: I mentioned before that it is not enough to >> >> take care of ones physical aspects. It is also necessary to be in >> >> balance with ones emotions and mental. That doesn't mean that you > have >> >> a nice religious or spiritual concept that gives you security and >> >> satisfaction. That's the reason why I don't write about spiritual >> >> aspects, although of course there you can find the origin of your >> >> disease... But I want to avoid that you fly from one cloud to an > other >> >> one! It has more to do with what you really are and not just what > your >> >> self image is. With other words: You need to gain self knowledge and >> >> find out about your unconscious background. That means a knowledge >> >> that goes beyond your personality. How to do this in an effective way >> >> you also can find out at my Web site: http://falconblanco.com (Don't >> >> worry, I'm not selling anything, I'm just sharing my experiences!) >> >> Keep your positive attitude and go on, ask questions and the answers >> >> will come to you... >> >> Namaste >> >> BeiYin >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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