pissed and confused

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Angel,

 

You have every right to be pissed. I have lung cancer and never smoked. I wish I had your attitude. With that attitude, you will prevail. I am sure others on the list will have a more complete answer.

 

Rob========Original Message========

 

 

Subj:

pissed and confused

 

Date:

4/7/2008 5:35:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time

 

 

toreadpeoplehealthinfo

 

To:

oleander soup

 

Sent on:

Hello Everyone,

 

I'm 44 and have been in excellent health until last summer's colon cancer diagnosis. Such excellent health as a matter of fact, that I didn't even know "how" the whole prescription thing works in this country. I'm from Sweden originally. I had never set a foot in the hospital except to visit friends, and the only contact I had with doctors was for the annual pap smear and one base-line mammogram 5 years ago. Because of this lack of health problems (my parents and siblings are similarly lucky to have been in excellent health all my life) I never really took any interest in diseases, pharma, medications, medical community issues, etc. My nutrition consisted of "fast-food" maybe 2-3 times a month, rest of the time it was homemade but using pre-packaged and processed foods to assist a bit. I exercised regularly and never shied away from the sun or used sun protectors, my skin didn't require it. And I did take daily multivitamins since being a teenager - just because mom wanted me to!

 

All this changed about 8 years ago, when my dog got cancer and was deemed a dead-dog on the spot. Refusing to accept this, I searched out a naturalistic vet who "awakened" me to many, many, many of the things that now seem so common sense to me but then were news. In the process, I learned that I was already living healthier than 90% of the population - but still there was so much more that I was mistakenly doing that was harmful to my health and my dog's health.

 

So, to make a short story long - since then, 8 years ago - I've lived a phenomenally healthy lifestyle in every way that is considered healthy by the holistic community standards.

 

And THEN - I get diagnosed with cancer!

 

What the hell gives with this, I thought!?

 

If a person who is SO disciplined about excluding all possible toxins from her home, from her diet, from her personal products, who eats only hearty, totally organic and unprocessed foods, mostly even raw, uses the most pure and potent supplements, etc., etc. etc. - you all know the story yourselves, I'm sure... But I'm just so frickin' confused and PISSED!

 

It's not even the classic "why ME?!" thing that's pissing me off, but rather the "how in heaven's name can "ANY PERSON" who lives this healthily get hit with cancer?

 

Or to turn it around - If ANY PERSON who lives this healthily can get cancer too - what the hell is the point of all the sacrifice, and discipline, and extra money spent to live this healthy way?

 

What's the point?!!!

 

I'm not depressed, and I'm not hopeless - I know I'll beat this thing. Don't ask me how I know - I just know - so I'm not scared and depressed or anything like that. I'm just so CONFUSED!

 

Confused because ALL the knowledge I've gathered in the last 8 years completely contradicts the possibility of this cancer diagnosis!

 

And confused because I can't decide what to do now!? I know all that knowledge about natural health makes sense, it's logical - knowing what I know now. It's reasonable and makes sense. But so what ??!! Who cares!!!?? The OBJECTIVE wasn't just to KNOW it and USE it for it's own sake, but rather to AVOID getting sick!!!!

 

So now that THIS CLEARLY is a bogus objective - why even continue!!!??

 

And how the hell do I UN-learn all that I know now? I mean, how do I stuff my face with that doughnut and FORGET about all the artificial crap that's in it, so I can enjoy it like a "normal" person??

 

Who has any thoughts on any of this?

 

Angel

 

 

 

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Hello Everyone,

 

I'm 44 and have been in excellent health until last summer's colon cancer diagnosis. Such excellent health as a matter of fact, that I didn't even know "how" the whole prescription thing works in this country. I'm from Sweden originally. I had never set a foot in the hospital except to visit friends, and the only contact I had with doctors was for the annual pap smear and one base-line mammogram 5 years ago. Because of this lack of health problems (my parents and siblings are similarly lucky to have been in excellent health all my life) I never really took any interest in diseases, pharma, medications, medical community issues, etc. My nutrition consisted of "fast-food" maybe 2-3 times a month, rest of the time it was homemade but using pre-packaged and processed foods to assist a bit. I exercised regularly and never shied away from the sun or used sun protectors, my skin didn't require it. And I did take daily multivitamins since being a teenager - just because mom wanted me to!

 

All this changed about 8 years ago, when my dog got cancer and was deemed a dead-dog on the spot. Refusing to accept this, I searched out a naturalistic vet who "awakened" me to many, many, many of the things that now seem so common sense to me but then were news. In the process, I learned that I was already living healthier than 90% of the population - but still there was so much more that I was mistakenly doing that was harmful to my health and my dog's health.

 

So, to make a short story long - since then, 8 years ago - I've lived a phenomenally healthy lifestyle in every way that is considered healthy by the holistic community standards.

 

And THEN - I get diagnosed with cancer!

 

What the hell gives with this, I thought!?

 

If a person who is SO disciplined about excluding all possible toxins from her home, from her diet, from her personal products, who eats only hearty, totally organic and unprocessed foods, mostly even raw, uses the most pure and potent supplements, etc., etc. etc. - you all know the story yourselves, I'm sure... But I'm just so frickin' confused and PISSED!

 

It's not even the classic "why ME?!" thing that's pissing me off, but rather the "how in heaven's name can "ANY PERSON" who lives this healthily get hit with cancer?

 

Or to turn it around - If ANY PERSON who lives this healthily can get cancer too - what the hell is the point of all the sacrifice, and discipline, and extra money spent to live this healthy way?

 

What's the point?!!!

 

I'm not depressed, and I'm not hopeless - I know I'll beat this thing. Don't ask me how I know - I just know - so I'm not scared and depressed or anything like that. I'm just so CONFUSED!

 

Confused because ALL the knowledge I've gathered in the last 8 years completely contradicts the possibility of this cancer diagnosis!

 

And confused because I can't decide what to do now!? I know all that knowledge about natural health makes sense, it's logical - knowing what I know now. It's reasonable and makes sense. But so what ??!! Who cares!!!?? The OBJECTIVE wasn't just to KNOW it and USE it for it's own sake, but rather to AVOID getting sick!!!!

 

So now that THIS CLEARLY is a bogus objective - why even continue!!!??

 

And how the hell do I UN-learn all that I know now? I mean, how do I stuff my face with that doughnut and FORGET about all the artificial crap that's in it, so I can enjoy it like a "normal" person??

 

Who has any thoughts on any of this?

 

Angel

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Angel,If you are armed with the knowledge you've accumulated and get a cancer, imagine what it's like for the poor dumb ____ that has not had the benefit of ever learning about anything that could save him! We don't suffer because of what we learned and applied, but rather from that which we don't know about. Doctors and lawyers refer to their efforts as "practice" for a real reason: there is always more that you should know and act on.The big drug companies want profits. They figure you will die and so why not make a profit off the event! Phaugh!!!! They should all be imprisoned for their fraud.We are still learning what really makes and maintains health. Where do you live, Angel? I might be able to suggest some practical things for you. If you do not want to make all this public to this group, email me back privately - goebelchxMichael L Goebel, DC, ACNPS: There are

books out there regarding why God lets bad things happen to good people. The book of Job was only the first of such tales. You've hung in and done the right thing this long. Continue.toreadpeoplehealthinfo wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm 44 and have been in excellent health until last summer's colon cancer diagnosis. Such excellent health as a matter of fact, that I didn't even know "how" the whole prescription thing works in this country. I'm from Sweden originally. I had never set a foot in the hospital except to visit friends, and the only contact I had with doctors was for the annual pap smear and one base-line mammogram 5 years ago. Because of this lack of health problems (my parents and siblings are similarly lucky to have been in excellent health all my life) I never really took any interest in diseases, pharma, medications, medical community issues, etc. My nutrition consisted of "fast-food" maybe 2-3 times a month, rest of the time it was homemade but using pre-packaged and processed foods to assist a bit. I exercised regularly and never shied away from the sun or used sun protectors, my skin didn't require it. And I did take daily multivitamins since being a teenager - just because mom wanted me to! All this changed about 8 years ago, when my dog got cancer and was deemed a dead-dog on the spot. Refusing to accept this, I searched out a naturalistic vet who "awakened" me to many, many, many of the things that now seem so common sense to me but then were news. In the process, I learned that I was already living healthier than 90% of the population - but still there was so much more that I was mistakenly doing that was harmful to my health and my dog's health. So, to make a short story long - since then, 8 years ago - I've lived a phenomenally healthy lifestyle in every way that is considered healthy by the holistic community standards.

And THEN - I get diagnosed with cancer! What the hell gives with this, I thought!? If a person who is SO disciplined about excluding all possible toxins from her home, from her diet, from her personal products, who eats only hearty, totally organic and unprocessed foods, mostly even raw, uses the most pure and potent supplements, etc., etc. etc. - you all know the story yourselves, I'm sure... But I'm just so frickin' confused and PISSED! It's not even the classic "why ME?!" thing that's pissing me off, but rather the

"how in heaven's name can "ANY PERSON" who lives this healthily get hit with cancer? Or to turn it around - If ANY PERSON who lives this healthily can get cancer too - what the hell is the point of all the sacrifice, and discipline, and extra money spent to live this healthy way? What's the point?!!! I'm not depressed, and I'm not hopeless - I know I'll beat this thing. Don't ask me how I know - I just know - so I'm not scared and depressed or anything like that. I'm just so CONFUSED! Confused because ALL the knowledge I've gathered in the last 8 years completely contradicts the possibility of this cancer diagnosis! And confused because I can't decide what to do now!? I know all that knowledge about natural health makes sense, it's logical - knowing what I know now. It's reasonable and makes sense. But so what ??!! Who cares!!!?? The OBJECTIVE wasn't just to KNOW it and USE it for it's own sake, but rather to AVOID getting sick!!!! So now that THIS CLEARLY is a bogus objective - why even continue!!!?? And how the hell do I UN-learn all that I know now? I mean, how do I stuff my face with that doughnut and FORGET about all the artificial crap that's in it, so I can enjoy it like a "normal" person?? Who has any thoughts on any of this? Angel

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I was responding to Angel, and my connection bleeped and I lost it all. But that is okay, because then I saw Rob's post come in. And I will respond to both at once.

First of all, Angel, I understand your anger, but please don't stop what you are doing. Keep going. Keep doing everything healthy Please don't list hope. Somehow your immune system was compromised, that's all.

In the Files section to the left, read Tony's Anti-Cancer and Disease Protocol and follow it. And I read your post about finding the missing pieces to Oleander. Tony has various articles about Oleander, including its history. Together with the article that you referenced, this will give you a complete understanding of the benefits of oleander.

The recipe for the soup is also in the Files Section. However, as I posted in another post above, the best way to go about taking oleander is from http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com/ The price is quite reasonable, only $60.00 per month. It is prepared in a lab with strict batch control and under the strictest supervision and conditions possible. And this assures a mistake proof, no hassle method of taking oleander. If preparing the recipe, it must be followed to the letter and no shortcuts at all should be taken. Also, anybody taking blood thinners or heart medication should not take the oleander remedy.

Rob, this is for you too. I am in no way leaving you out. Sometimes life just is not fair. However, there is so much hope. Please don't despair. I can imagine the anger and actual feeling of betrayal. And cancer can enter the body in so many different ways: Diet, toxins, are two, and there is always somehow a compromised immune system. I don't know what you diet consists of, but with the proper diet, Tony's protocol, oleander, etc., this could be the beginning of a brand new world for you. Just, help yourself to the articles and please ask questions.

Again, I urge everyone to read Tony's ebook Cancer's Natural Enemy http://www.rose-laurel.com/ This will give you a more comprehensive understanding on the subject of cancer.

We all have a dreadful image of cancer. However, in reality, it is nothing more than a disease. And with the proper steps in natural healing it can be erradicated.

My best to both of you,

 

 

oleander soup , ShermanRPS wrote:>> > Angel,> > You have every right to be pissed. I have lung cancer and never smoked. I > wish I had your attitude. With that attitude, you will prevail. I am sure > others on the list will have a more complete answer. > > Rob> > > ========Original Message======== Subj: pissed and > confused 4/7/2008 5:35:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time > _toreadpeoplehealthinfo_ (toreadpeoplehealthinfo) > _oleander soup _ (oleander soup ) Sent on: > Hello Everyone,> > I'm 44 and have been in excellent health until last summer's colon cancer > diagnosis. Such excellent health as a matter of fact, that I didn't even know > "how" the whole prescription thing works in this country. I'm from Sweden > originally. I had never set a foot in the hospital except to visit friends, > and the only contact I had with doctors was for the annual pap smear and one > base-line mammogram 5 years ago. Because of this lack of health problems (my > parents and siblings are similarly lucky to have been in excellent health all > my life) I never really took any interest in diseases, pharma, medications, > medical community issues, etc. My nutrition consisted of "fast-food" maybe > 2-3 times a month, rest of the time it was homemade but using pre-packaged and > processed foods to assist a bit. I exercised regularly and never shied away > from the sun or used sun protectors, my skin didn't require it. And I did > take daily multivitamins since being a teenager - just because mom wanted me to!> > All this changed about 8 years ago, when my dog got cancer and was deemed a > dead-dog on the spot. Refusing to accept this, I searched out a naturalistic > vet who "awakened" me to many, many, many of the things that now seem so > common sense to me but then were news. In the process, I learned that I was > already living healthier than 90% of the population - but still there was so > much more that I was mistakenly doing that was harmful to my health and my > dog's health.> > So, to make a short story long - since then, 8 years ago - I've lived a > phenomenally healthy lifestyle in every way that is considered healthy by the > holistic community standards. > > And THEN - I get diagnosed with cancer!> > What the hell gives with this, I thought!?> > If a person who is SO disciplined about excluding all possible toxins from > her home, from her diet, from her personal products, who eats only hearty, > totally organic and unprocessed foods, mostly even raw, uses the most pure and > potent supplements, etc., etc. etc. - you all know the story yourselves, I'm > sure... But I'm just so frickin' confused and PISSED!> > It's not even the classic "why ME?!" thing that's pissing me off, but rather > the "how in heaven's name can "ANY PERSON" who lives this healthily get hit > with cancer?> > Or to turn it around - If ANY PERSON who lives this healthily can get cancer > too - what the hell is the point of all the sacrifice, and discipline, and > extra money spent to live this healthy way?> > What's the point?!!!> > I'm not depressed, and I'm not hopeless - I know I'll beat this thing. > Don't ask me how I know - I just know - so I'm not scared and depressed or > anything like that. I'm just so CONFUSED! > > Confused because ALL the knowledge I've gathered in the last 8 years > completely contradicts the possibility of this cancer diagnosis!> > And confused because I can't decide what to do now!? I know all that > knowledge about natural health makes sense, it's logical - knowing what I know now. > It's reasonable and makes sense. But so what ??!! Who cares!!!?? The > OBJECTIVE wasn't just to KNOW it and USE it for it's own sake, but rather to > AVOID getting sick!!!!> > So now that THIS CLEARLY is a bogus objective - why even continue!!!??> > And how the hell do I UN-learn all that I know now? I mean, how do I stuff > my face with that doughnut and FORGET about all the artificial crap that's > in it, so I can enjoy it like a "normal" person??> > Who has any thoughts on any of this?> > Angel> > > > > > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)>

[Guest guest]

Hi Angel -

 

Welcome to the group. Although I understand and lament your

predicament, I applaud your efforts towards living a healthy lifestyle

- it should hold you in good stead to beat your cancer.

 

Sadly, there is nary a place on earth that is not contaminated thanks

to man and his tens of thousands of industrial chemicals, herbicides

and pesticides. Even the most pristine areas still have nuclear

fallout from all the above ground nuclear tests and it will remain for

many centuries.

 

Not only that, but to be totally toxin free you would have to forego

or replace virtually every household cleaner, cosmetic, air freshener,

anti-bacterial soaps and cleansers, insecticides, pesticides,

detergents, plastic containers, you name it. If man has made it,

especially in a lab or manufacturing process, there is a chance he has

made a mess of it.

 

I am reminded of one lady who left the city to move to the clean air

of the country - only to be poisoned by all the years of pesticide

applications by the local farmers.

 

Another consideration is the fact that some cancers can take as long

as eight years to develop to the size of a pinhead - so it is possible

that your cancer could have been there for a very long time at a level

far too small to detect.

 

The good news is that you came to a very good group. What we believe

and preach is highly successful and we are here for you.

 

 

oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo wrote:

>

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I'm 44 and have been in excellent health until last summer's colon

cancer diagnosis. Such excellent health as a matter of fact, that I

didn't even know " how " the whole prescription thing works in this

country. I'm from Sweden originally. I had never set a foot in the

hospital except to visit friends, and the only contact I had with

doctors was for the annual pap smear and one base-line mammogram 5

years ago. Because of this lack of health problems (my parents and

siblings are similarly lucky to have been in excellent health all my

life) I never really took any interest in diseases, pharma,

medications, medical community issues, etc. My nutrition consisted of

" fast-food " maybe 2-3 times a month, rest of the time it was homemade

but using pre-packaged and processed foods to assist a bit. I

exercised regularly and never shied away from the sun or used sun

protectors, my skin didn't require it. And I did take daily

multivitamins since being a teenager - just because mom wanted me to!

>

> All this changed about 8 years ago, when my dog got cancer and was

deemed a dead-dog on the spot. Refusing to accept this, I searched

out a naturalistic vet who " awakened " me to many, many, many of the

things that now seem so common sense to me but then were news. In the

process, I learned that I was already living healthier than 90% of the

population - but still there was so much more that I was mistakenly

doing that was harmful to my health and my dog's health.

>

> So, to make a short story long - since then, 8 years ago - I've

lived a phenomenally healthy lifestyle in every way that is considered

healthy by the holistic community standards.

>

> And THEN - I get diagnosed with cancer!

>

> What the hell gives with this, I thought!?

>

> If a person who is SO disciplined about excluding all possible

toxins from her home, from her diet, from her personal products, who

eats only hearty, totally organic and unprocessed foods, mostly even

raw, uses the most pure and potent supplements, etc., etc. etc. - you

all know the story yourselves, I'm sure... But I'm just so frickin'

confused and PISSED!

>

> It's not even the classic " why ME?! " thing that's pissing me off,

but rather the " how in heaven's name can " ANY PERSON " who lives this

healthily get hit with cancer?

>

> Or to turn it around - If ANY PERSON who lives this healthily can

get cancer too - what the hell is the point of all the sacrifice, and

discipline, and extra money spent to live this healthy way?

>

> What's the point?!!!

>

> I'm not depressed, and I'm not hopeless - I know I'll beat this

thing. Don't ask me how I know - I just know - so I'm not scared and

depressed or anything like that. I'm just so CONFUSED!

>

> Confused because ALL the knowledge I've gathered in the last 8 years

completely contradicts the possibility of this cancer diagnosis!

>

> And confused because I can't decide what to do now!? I know all

that knowledge about natural health makes sense, it's logical -

knowing what I know now. It's reasonable and makes sense. But so

what ??!! Who cares!!!?? The OBJECTIVE wasn't just to KNOW it and

USE it for it's own sake, but rather to AVOID getting sick!!!!

>

> So now that THIS CLEARLY is a bogus objective - why even continue!!!??

>

> And how the hell do I UN-learn all that I know now? I mean, how do

I stuff my face with that doughnut and FORGET about all the artificial

crap that's in it, so I can enjoy it like a " normal " person??

>

> Who has any thoughts on any of this?

>

> Angel

>

[Guest guest]

oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo wrote:

 

BeiYin: Angel, I will respond to your message because I went to a

similar experience and I have learned from it, so I will try to share

it, although it goes further then the physical. First I will make my

comment to what you wrote:

 

Angel: I learned that I was already living healthier than 90% of the

population - but still there was so much more that I was mistakenly

doing that was harmful to my health and my dog's health.

 

BeiYin: If you move in heavy trafic every day and you use only 90% of

your attention, then it is likely that sooner or later you will have

an accident. Right?

 

Angel: since then, 8 years ago - I've lived a phenomenally healthy

lifestyle in every way that is considered healthy by the holistic

community standards.

 

BeiYin: Even though your lifestyle is healthy, there are so many

influences from your surrounding that are not healthy and you can't

avoid these unless you stay in a sealed room and that's not possible.

Depending where you live, in a city or in the country, you are taking

in enough toxins, that will accumulate and then might cause a disease.

 

Angel: If a person who is SO disciplined about excluding all possible

toxins from her home, from her diet, from her personal products, who

eats only hearty, totally organic and unprocessed foods, mostly even

raw, uses the most pure and potent supplements, etc. But I'm just so

frickin' confused and PISSED!

 

BeiYin: This tells that you are not informed enough. It seems to be

impossible to avoid all toxins. In what kind of house you are living?

The building material is mostly toxic. Your furniture, your carpets,

your cloth, plastic articles you use, all is more or less toxic. You

can't be sure that even the biological grown food is not toxic and

also not the supplements. Every thing that is connected with money one

can't trust...

 

Angel: It's not even the classic " why ME?! " thing that's pissing me

off, but rather the " how in heaven's name can " ANY PERSON " who lives

this healthily get hit with cancer?

 

BeiYin: You are angry now and confused. You think that you have done

something wrong. Of course you have done something wrong, because

nobody is perfect and nobody can avoid all bad influences. You did the

best you could - on the physical level, but what about all the other

that belongs to you?

 

Angel: Or to turn it around - If ANY PERSON who lives this healthily

can get cancer too - what the hell is the point of all the sacrifice,

and discipline, and extra money spent to live this healthy way?

What's the point?!!!

 

BeiYin: The point might be that you come down from your rose perfect

cloud of healthy living and get to know more about reality. You can't

live perfection on the outside and forget the need of essential parts

of yourself.

 

Angel: I'm not depressed, and I'm not hopeless - I know I'll beat this

thing. Don't ask me how I know - I just know - so I'm not scared and

depressed or anything like that. I'm just so CONFUSED!

 

BeiYin: You are in a good position: being confused and not being

depressed. What allows you to ask questions, not falling into a dark

void.

 

Angel: Confused because ALL the knowledge I've gathered in the last 8

years completely contradicts the possibility of this cancer diagnosis!

 

BeiYin: Again: come down to the floor of reality and understand that

your learning was not enough and that there is a lot more to learn!

 

Angel: And confused because I can't decide what to do now!? I know all

that knowledge about natural health makes sense, it's logical -

knowing what I know now. It's reasonable and makes sense. But so

what??!! Who cares!!?? The OBJECTIVE wasn't just to KNOW it and USE it

for it's own sake, but rather to AVOID getting sick!!!

 

BeiYin: First you need to calm down, then you can search and look at

all the information you are receiving and then you make your decision.

There is coming in more information then you are asking for because

all you mention turns around 'natural health' and this is a limited

level. It depends on your ability to take in something that goes

beyond this.

 

Angel: And how the hell do I UN-learn all that I know now? I mean, how

do I stuff my face with that doughnut and FORGET about all the

artificial crap that's in it, so I can enjoy it like a " normal " person??

 

BeiYin: You don't need to unlearn thing about 'natural health' but if

you want to live a normal life like every body else around you and

that means that you can enjoy junk food, then indeed there is quite

something more to learn. That is so much, that a 'normal' person is

not capable for it. That's the bad news. The good news is that you are

capable.

First you need to understand that disease is not what normal people

see in it. I can't tell you now, then this post would be too long. But

you are motivated to find out about it yourself. You can go to my Web

site, where I have told the story about my self healing process from

Fibromyalgia and from an Inguinal Hernia. You might get some

inspiration out of it...

Now only that much more: I mentioned before that it is not enough to

take care of ones physical aspects. It is also necessary to be in

balance with ones emotions and mental. That doesn't mean that you have

a nice religious or spiritual concept that gives you security and

satisfaction. That's the reason why I don't write about spiritual

aspects, although of course there you can find the origin of your

disease... But I want to avoid that you fly from one cloud to an other

one! It has more to do with what you really are and not just what your

self image is. With other words: You need to gain self knowledge and

find out about your unconscious background. That means a knowledge

that goes beyond your personality. How to do this in an effective way

you also can find out at my Web site: http://falconblanco.com (Don't

worry, I'm not selling anything, I'm just sharing my experiences!)

Keep your positive attitude and go on, ask questions and the answers

will come to you...

Namaste

BeiYin

[Guest guest]

I think that your message, while well meaning, may come across a bit

harsher than you mean it to - as in lecturing instead of relating.

Nevertheless, I think your intent is good and I hope Angel feels the

same.

 

BTW - I took a look at your website. What a great place you have at

FrancoBlanco!

 

 

oleander soup , " idbeiyin " <Being wrote:

>

> oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo@> wrote:

>

> BeiYin: Angel, I will respond to your message because I went to a

> similar experience and I have learned from it, so I will try to share

> it, although it goes further then the physical. First I will make my

> comment to what you wrote:

>

> Angel: I learned that I was already living healthier than 90% of the

> population - but still there was so much more that I was mistakenly

> doing that was harmful to my health and my dog's health.

>

> BeiYin: If you move in heavy trafic every day and you use only 90% of

> your attention, then it is likely that sooner or later you will have

> an accident. Right?

>

> Angel: since then, 8 years ago - I've lived a phenomenally healthy

> lifestyle in every way that is considered healthy by the holistic

> community standards.

>

> BeiYin: Even though your lifestyle is healthy, there are so many

> influences from your surrounding that are not healthy and you can't

> avoid these unless you stay in a sealed room and that's not possible.

> Depending where you live, in a city or in the country, you are taking

> in enough toxins, that will accumulate and then might cause a disease.

>

> Angel: If a person who is SO disciplined about excluding all possible

> toxins from her home, from her diet, from her personal products, who

> eats only hearty, totally organic and unprocessed foods, mostly even

> raw, uses the most pure and potent supplements, etc. But I'm just so

> frickin' confused and PISSED!

>

> BeiYin: This tells that you are not informed enough. It seems to be

> impossible to avoid all toxins. In what kind of house you are living?

> The building material is mostly toxic. Your furniture, your carpets,

> your cloth, plastic articles you use, all is more or less toxic. You

> can't be sure that even the biological grown food is not toxic and

> also not the supplements. Every thing that is connected with money one

> can't trust...

>

> Angel: It's not even the classic " why ME?! " thing that's pissing me

> off, but rather the " how in heaven's name can " ANY PERSON " who lives

> this healthily get hit with cancer?

>

> BeiYin: You are angry now and confused. You think that you have done

> something wrong. Of course you have done something wrong, because

> nobody is perfect and nobody can avoid all bad influences. You did the

> best you could - on the physical level, but what about all the other

> that belongs to you?

>

> Angel: Or to turn it around - If ANY PERSON who lives this healthily

> can get cancer too - what the hell is the point of all the sacrifice,

> and discipline, and extra money spent to live this healthy way?

> What's the point?!!!

>

> BeiYin: The point might be that you come down from your rose perfect

> cloud of healthy living and get to know more about reality. You can't

> live perfection on the outside and forget the need of essential parts

> of yourself.

>

> Angel: I'm not depressed, and I'm not hopeless - I know I'll beat this

> thing. Don't ask me how I know - I just know - so I'm not scared and

> depressed or anything like that. I'm just so CONFUSED!

>

> BeiYin: You are in a good position: being confused and not being

> depressed. What allows you to ask questions, not falling into a dark

> void.

>

> Angel: Confused because ALL the knowledge I've gathered in the last 8

> years completely contradicts the possibility of this cancer diagnosis!

>

> BeiYin: Again: come down to the floor of reality and understand that

> your learning was not enough and that there is a lot more to learn!

>

> Angel: And confused because I can't decide what to do now!? I know all

> that knowledge about natural health makes sense, it's logical -

> knowing what I know now. It's reasonable and makes sense. But so

> what??!! Who cares!!?? The OBJECTIVE wasn't just to KNOW it and USE it

> for it's own sake, but rather to AVOID getting sick!!!

>

> BeiYin: First you need to calm down, then you can search and look at

> all the information you are receiving and then you make your decision.

> There is coming in more information then you are asking for because

> all you mention turns around 'natural health' and this is a limited

> level. It depends on your ability to take in something that goes

> beyond this.

>

> Angel: And how the hell do I UN-learn all that I know now? I mean, how

> do I stuff my face with that doughnut and FORGET about all the

> artificial crap that's in it, so I can enjoy it like a " normal " person??

>

> BeiYin: You don't need to unlearn thing about 'natural health' but if

> you want to live a normal life like every body else around you and

> that means that you can enjoy junk food, then indeed there is quite

> something more to learn. That is so much, that a 'normal' person is

> not capable for it. That's the bad news. The good news is that you are

> capable.

> First you need to understand that disease is not what normal people

> see in it. I can't tell you now, then this post would be too long. But

> you are motivated to find out about it yourself. You can go to my Web

> site, where I have told the story about my self healing process from

> Fibromyalgia and from an Inguinal Hernia. You might get some

> inspiration out of it...

> Now only that much more: I mentioned before that it is not enough to

> take care of ones physical aspects. It is also necessary to be in

> balance with ones emotions and mental. That doesn't mean that you have

> a nice religious or spiritual concept that gives you security and

> satisfaction. That's the reason why I don't write about spiritual

> aspects, although of course there you can find the origin of your

> disease... But I want to avoid that you fly from one cloud to an other

> one! It has more to do with what you really are and not just what your

> self image is. With other words: You need to gain self knowledge and

> find out about your unconscious background. That means a knowledge

> that goes beyond your personality. How to do this in an effective way

> you also can find out at my Web site: http://falconblanco.com (Don't

> worry, I'm not selling anything, I'm just sharing my experiences!)

> Keep your positive attitude and go on, ask questions and the answers

> will come to you...

> Namaste

> BeiYin

>

[Guest guest]

wellcome to the group Angel, we all anderstant why you are pissed now, and we feel for you.

but girl you come to the best site in the net.

Tony and some other members have the knowlenge to guide you and help you like no one else.

Tony's book and his other site have all the information that you need to get you started.

i wish you all the best, and as you send you are going to get better you know it, we believe in you, yes you can do it.

 

love and hugs Mary

 

-

toreadpeoplehealthinfo

oleander soup

Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:17 AM

pissed and confused

 

 

 

Hello Everyone,

 

I'm 44 and have been in excellent health until last summer's colon cancer diagnosis. Such excellent health as a matter of fact, that I didn't even know "how" the whole prescription thing works in this country. I'm from Sweden originally. I had never set a foot in the hospital except to visit friends, and the only contact I had with doctors was for the annual pap smear and one base-line mammogram 5 years ago. Because of this lack of health problems (my parents and siblings are similarly lucky to have been in excellent health all my life) I never really took any interest in diseases, pharma, medications, medical community issues, etc. My nutrition consisted of "fast-food" maybe 2-3 times a month, rest of the time it was homemade but using pre-packaged and processed foods to assist a bit. I exercised regularly and never shied away from the sun or used sun protectors, my skin didn't require it. And I did take daily multivitamins since being a teenager - just because mom wanted me to!

 

All this changed about 8 years ago, when my dog got cancer and was deemed a dead-dog on the spot. Refusing to accept this, I searched out a naturalistic vet who "awakened" me to many, many, many of the things that now seem so common sense to me but then were news. In the process, I learned that I was already living healthier than 90% of the population - but still there was so much more that I was mistakenly doing that was harmful to my health and my dog's health.

 

So, to make a short story long - since then, 8 years ago - I've lived a phenomenally healthy lifestyle in every way that is considered healthy by the holistic community standards.

 

And THEN - I get diagnosed with cancer!

 

What the hell gives with this, I thought!?

 

If a person who is SO disciplined about excluding all possible toxins from her home, from her diet, from her personal products, who eats only hearty, totally organic and unprocessed foods, mostly even raw, uses the most pure and potent supplements, etc., etc. etc. - you all know the story yourselves, I'm sure... But I'm just so frickin' confused and PISSED!

 

It's not even the classic "why ME?!" thing that's pissing me off, but rather the "how in heaven's name can "ANY PERSON" who lives this healthily get hit with cancer?

 

Or to turn it around - If ANY PERSON who lives this healthily can get cancer too - what the hell is the point of all the sacrifice, and discipline, and extra money spent to live this healthy way?

 

What's the point?!!!

 

I'm not depressed, and I'm not hopeless - I know I'll beat this thing. Don't ask me how I know - I just know - so I'm not scared and depressed or anything like that. I'm just so CONFUSED!

 

Confused because ALL the knowledge I've gathered in the last 8 years completely contradicts the possibility of this cancer diagnosis!

 

And confused because I can't decide what to do now!? I know all that knowledge about natural health makes sense, it's logical - knowing what I know now. It's reasonable and makes sense. But so what ??!! Who cares!!!?? The OBJECTIVE wasn't just to KNOW it and USE it for it's own sake, but rather to AVOID getting sick!!!!

 

So now that THIS CLEARLY is a bogus objective - why even continue!!!??

 

And how the hell do I UN-learn all that I know now? I mean, how do I stuff my face with that doughnut and FORGET about all the artificial crap that's in it, so I can enjoy it like a "normal" person??

 

Who has any thoughts on any of this?

 

Angel

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

> I think that your message, while well meaning, may come across a bit

> harsher than you mean it to - as in lecturing instead of relating.

> Nevertheless, I think your intent is good and I hope Angel feels the

> same.

>

> BTW - I took a look at your website. What a great place you have at

> FalconBlanco!

>

> >

Is there something harsher than the truth? If Angel can't take it,

then also she will not be able to jump down from her cloud, not

knowing and not being secure what she might find. From her post I had

the impression that she is capable to take self responsibility to get

out of her old self image and the dependency of common social

pictures. Only then she can heal herself in a wholesome way and the

healing of her cancer is just one of the healing effects. Then she

will know that her disease was needed to wake her up and without this

challenge she would have been stuck in an already worn out state of

being that was longing to grow...

BeiYin

[Guest guest]

Your points are well taken, however we tend to be more of a nurturing

as opposed to lecturing group here - just a heads up so you know.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " idbeiyin " <Being wrote:

>

> oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote:

> >

> > I think that your message, while well meaning, may come across a bit

> > harsher than you mean it to - as in lecturing instead of relating.

> > Nevertheless, I think your intent is good and I hope Angel feels the

> > same.

> >

> > BTW - I took a look at your website. What a great place you have at

> > FalconBlanco!

> >

> > > >

> Is there something harsher than the truth? If Angel can't take it,

> then also she will not be able to jump down from her cloud, not

> knowing and not being secure what she might find. From her post I had

> the impression that she is capable to take self responsibility to get

> out of her old self image and the dependency of common social

> pictures. Only then she can heal herself in a wholesome way and the

> healing of her cancer is just one of the healing effects. Then she

> will know that her disease was needed to wake her up and without this

> challenge she would have been stuck in an already worn out state of

> being that was longing to grow...

> BeiYin

>

[Guest guest]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Angel,

 

Have you checked out this site?

 

pH Miracle Living Alkalarian Health

 

Warm Regards, Jo-Ann

---------------------------

 

 

 

Anyone already gone through all this and finally sorted things out? What's the recipe? What's the secret? What's the missing piece?

 

Angel

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Michael,

 

Yes, I agree - there's always more to learn. But I think if I were still in the happily "ignorant" state I was in 8 years ago, once diagnosed I would at least have LOTS of things to change and improve on in my life and feel like I was doing something, like I have the control to PREVENT the recurrence.

 

Now, as it is I can't really make a whole lot of changes without moving into a completely ridiculously isolated realm of life, completely removed from everything I enjoy in this society.

 

Prior to the dx, I had already made all the changes possible for me to make while still remaining part of normal society to a degree. Taking it any further would remove joys from my life that make it worth living, frankly.

 

I guess, that's what I'm actually pissed about - that I have nothing to change to prevent this from happening again! I like solutions, and I have none. I went to see three top holistic doctors in the SF bay area to sort out what else I can do - one of them got a big grin on his face when I came in all "business-like" told him unceremoniously that I won't pay his $500 fee unless I walk out with clear instructions on what to change to prevent cancer recurrence. He said that's his FAVOrite part of his job! Two hours later he shook his head and said that I was a "kill-joy" for him, I was the most boring patient he's had in his 20+ years of practice and he couldn't advise me to do anything more than I was already doing.

 

If you have some suggestions - by all means tell me. Tell me here, so everyone can see it and benefit from it as well.

 

Thanks,

Angel

 

 

 

 

Re: pissed and confused

Posted by: "Michael Goebel" goebelchx goebelchx

Mon Apr 7, 2008 3:05 pm (PDT)

Hi Angel,If you are armed with the knowledge you've accumulated and get a cancer, imagine what it's like for the poor dumb ____ that has not had the benefit of ever learning about anything that could save him! We don't suffer because of what we learned and applied, but rather from that which we don't know about. Doctors and lawyers refer to their efforts as "practice" for a real reason: there is always more that you should know and act on.The big drug companies want profits. They figure you will die and so why not make a profit off the event! Phaugh!!!! They should all be imprisoned for their fraud.We are still learning what really makes and maintains health. Where do you live, Angel? I might be able to suggest some practical things for you. If you do not want to make all this public to this group, email me back privately - goebelchx Michael L Goebel, DC, ACNPS: There are books out there regarding why God lets bad things happen to good people. The book of Job was only the first of such tales. You've hung in and done the right thing this long. Continue.

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

 

Don't worry, I'm not losing hope. I'm just venting and hungry to hear if my thoughts resonate with others or not.

 

So, I'm taking digitalis on my antrhoposophical doctor's orders - not for heart but for something or other that causes/prevents cancer, can't remember what the 4 things are according to his philosophy.

 

So, that means Oleander is out for me, right?

 

You said "And with the proper steps in natural healing it can be eradicated."

See, it is that attitude that makes me angry now... (angry not at you, just that thinking - because I used to share it too) I guess because I see no truth in it anymore since my diagnosis. Before, I would hear health-conscious people get diagnosed with cancer and I could still believe that perhaps they weren't living "quite" as healthily as they could/should have. But when it happened to me, I couldn't make that excuse anymore because I KNOW how healthily I've lived! So if this were really true - I shouldn't have come down with cancer! My immune system shouldn't have faltered!

 

Angel

 

 

Re: pissed and confused

Posted by: " May" luellamay129 luellamay129

Mon Apr 7, 2008 3:54 pm (PDT)

I was responding to Angel, and my connection bleeped and I lost it all. But that is okay, because then I saw Rob's post come in. And I willrespond to both at once.First of all, Angel, I understand your anger, but please don't stop whatyou are doing. Keep going. Keep doing everything healthy Please don'tlist hope. Somehow your immune system was compromised, that's all.In the Files section to the left, read Tony's Anti-Cancer and DiseaseProtocol and follow it. And I read your post about finding the missingpieces to Oleander. Tony has various articles about Oleander, includingits history. Together with the article that you referenced, this willgive you a complete understanding of the benefits of oleander.The recipe for the soup is also in the Files Section. However, as Iposted in another post above, the best way to go about taking oleanderis from http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com/<http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com/> The price is quite reasonable, only$60.00 per month. It is prepared in a lab with strict batch control andunder the strictest supervision and conditions possible. And thisassures a mistake proof, no hassle method of taking oleander. Ifpreparing the recipe, it must be followed to the letter and no shortcutsat all should be taken. Also, anybody taking blood thinners or heartmedication should not take the oleander remedy.Rob, this is for you too. I am in no way leaving you out. Sometimeslife just is not fair. However, there is so much hope. Please don'tdespair. I can imagine the anger and actual feeling of betrayal. Andcancer can enter the body in so many different ways: Diet, toxins, aretwo, and there is always somehow a compromised immune system. I don'tknow what you diet consists of, but with the proper diet, Tony'sprotocol, oleander, etc., this could be the beginning of a brand newworld for you. Just, help yourself to the articles and please askquestions.Again, I urge everyone to read Tony's ebook Cancer's Natural Enemyhttp://www.rose-laurel.com/ <http://www.rose-laurel.com/> This willgive you a more comprehensive understanding on the subject of cancer.We all have a dreadful image of cancer. However, in reality, it isnothing more than a disease. And with the proper steps in naturalhealing it can be erradicated.My best to both of you,

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tony, for the welcoming.

 

I agree of course about the toxicity levels. I've never operated under the delusion that I was living as pure as a Lilly. I know we can't escape toxicities if we want to remain part of this society. However, by making the changes that I HAVE made in my lifestyle and nutrition - I was led to believe - by the so called experts in holistic living - that the remaining toxicities that I was unable to avoid would be of such tremendously LOWER levels for my body to be able to handle and process and discard without suffering damage. Partially also because my immunity would NOT be compromised any longer!

 

Hah !

 

The holier than thou attitude that I'm now ashamed of having had myself before - the "if you only had followed the instructions better" you wouldn't have gotten sick or you would have been cured or you could have controlled this disease or that condition - is really ridiculous. Now I know that. Now that "I'M" the witness ! I'm the witness to how strictly I lived, and how disciplined I was and what sacrifices I made. I'm always looking for the "source" of information I gather to validate the interpretation or summary or "message." Well, I'm the source here. There's no second-guessing possible for me on this one - I'm the first-hand witness now and that "explanation," placing the blame back on the patient, assuming s/he simply didn't do it "well enough" now just seems awfully convenient and dismissive.

 

As I said before - and as you can see by my ranting and ravings - I'm just confused. I know what I know about health. It makes sense to me, and yet - it doesn't. Because it doesn't seem to result in what it promises! And so back around the circle again...

 

Yes, I'm here to vent and to be reminded of what maybe I'm forgetting or learn what I've missed because I feel I really need to get beyond this confusion in order to have peace in my head, in my soul, in my body, in my cells. We all need to be singing the same song in order to move forward with power, I think and right now, we're just fighting and it's evident - my body is rejecting every chemo we've tried so far, I'm having reactions and symptoms the most famous cancer doctors in this country have never heard of, my oncologists are upset because I'm still doing my "natural" cures, my natural docs are upset because I'm still trying to do chemo, and all of me is upset because, well I'm not sure exactly why I'm upset except that I'm just confused.

 

How's THIS for a "thanks for welcoming me to the group" reply?? I hope I didn't ruin it for the next newcomer!

 

Does anyone recognize any of these erratic thoughts or feelings? Anyone already gone through all this and finally sorted things out? What's the recipe? What's the secret? What's the missing piece?

 

Angel

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by: "Tony"

Mon Apr 7, 2008 4:27 pm (PDT)

Hi Angel -Welcome to the group. Although I understand and lament yourpredicament, I applaud your efforts towards living a healthy lifestyle- it should hold you in good stead to beat your cancer.Sadly, there is nary a place on earth that is not contaminated thanksto man and his tens of thousands of industrial chemicals, herbicidesand pesticides. Even the most pristine areas still have nuclearfallout from all the above ground nuclear tests and it will remain formany centuries.Not only that, but to be totally toxin free you would have to foregoor replace virtually every household cleaner, cosmetic, air freshener,anti-bacterial soaps and cleansers, insecticides, pesticides,detergents, plastic containers, you name it. If man has made it,especially in a lab or manufacturing process, there is a chance he hasmade a mess of it.I am reminded of one lady who left the city to move to the clean airof the country - only to be poisoned by all the years of pesticideapplications by the local farmers.Another consideration is the fact that some cancers can take as longas eight years to develop to the size of a pinhead - so it is possiblethat your cancer could have been there for a very long time at a levelfar too small to detect.The good news is that you came to a very good group. What we believeand preach is highly successful and we are here for you.Tony

[Guest guest]

BeiYin - I've read your reply twice so far and think I need to read it about 5-6 times more before I can really wrap myself around it. I have a hard time "accepting" the "probability" of this cancer manifesting because of my spirit. I can accept the slim "possibility" of that but am having a tough time with the "probability." Perhaps because the logical process of that acceptance would then lead me to "change" and I don't really understand how to do that. I think, but am really just grasping here...

 

I will tell you that I cried when I read your reply the first time. Not sure why exactly, but if I had to take a guess at it, I would say that it felt like something in me recognized a match. A match between your words and the truth inside. I just can't process it for some reason. Maybe... I don't know... But it was not a hurt cry, it was more of a "release" cry of sorts, that just bubbled up...

 

A huge Thank You for your feedback. One thing you made me aware of that I indeed CAN wrap myself around is the fact that I have been on a cloud. A cloud of arrogant superiority of sorts I guess. And yet I KNOW I've done something wrong, of course I have, despite feeling insulated on this cloud. But I was so hoping that that "something wrong" would indeed be of the physical sense - it's so much easier to clean that up than to clean up my lost dreams and hopes and disappointments and anger and hurts and shames and everything else messy inside.

 

Thank you, I'll be reading your reply a few more times and then I'm sure I'll need to ask you a few things...

 

Angel

 

 

 

Re: pissed and confused

Posted by: "idbeiyin" Being idbeiyin

Mon Apr 7, 2008 7:33 pm (PDT)

oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo wrote:BeiYin: Angel, I will respond to your message because I went to asimilar experience and I have learned from it, so I will try to shareit, although it goes further then the physical. First I will make mycomment to what you wrote:Angel: I learned that I was already living healthier than 90% of the population - but still there was so much more that I was mistakenlydoing that was harmful to my health and my dog's health.BeiYin: If you move in heavy trafic every day and you use only 90% ofyour attention, then it is likely that sooner or later you will havean accident. Right? Angel: since then, 8 years ago - I've lived a phenomenally healthy lifestyle in every way that is considered healthy by the holisticcommunity standards.BeiYin: Even though your lifestyle is healthy, there are so manyinfluences from your surrounding that are not healthy and you can'tavoid these unless you stay in a sealed room and that's not possible.Depending where you live, in a city or in the country, you are takingin enough toxins, that will accumulate and then might cause a disease. Angel: If a person who is SO disciplined about excluding all possibletoxins from her home, from her diet, from her personal products, whoeats only hearty, totally organic and unprocessed foods, mostly evenraw, uses the most pure and potent supplements, etc. But I'm just sofrickin' confused and PISSED!BeiYin: This tells that you are not informed enough. It seems to beimpossible to avoid all toxins. In what kind of house you are living?The building material is mostly toxic. Your furniture, your carpets,your cloth, plastic articles you use, all is more or less toxic. Youcan't be sure that even the biological grown food is not toxic andalso not the supplements. Every thing that is connected with money onecan't trust...Angel: It's not even the classic "why ME?!" thing that's pissing meoff, but rather the "how in heaven's name can "ANY PERSON" who livesthis healthily get hit with cancer?BeiYin: You are angry now and confused. You think that you have donesomething wrong. Of course you have done something wrong, becausenobody is perfect and nobody can avoid all bad influences. You did thebest you could - on the physical level, but what about all the otherthat belongs to you?Angel: Or to turn it around - If ANY PERSON who lives this healthilycan get cancer too - what the hell is the point of all the sacrifice,and discipline, and extra money spent to live this healthy way? What's the point?!!!BeiYin: The point might be that you come down from your rose perfectcloud of healthy living and get to know more about reality. You can'tlive perfection on the outside and forget the need of essential partsof yourself.Angel: I'm not depressed, and I'm not hopeless - I know I'll beat thisthing. Don't ask me how I know - I just know - so I'm not scared anddepressed or anything like that. I'm just so CONFUSED!BeiYin: You are in a good position: being confused and not beingdepressed. What allows you to ask questions, not falling into a darkvoid. Angel: Confused because ALL the knowledge I've gathered in the last 8years completely contradicts the possibility of this cancer diagnosis!BeiYin: Again: come down to the floor of reality and understand thatyour learning was not enough and that there is a lot more to learn!Angel: And confused because I can't decide what to do now!? I know allthat knowledge about natural health makes sense, it's logical -knowing what I know now. It's reasonable and makes sense. But sowhat??!! Who cares!!?? The OBJECTIVE wasn't just to KNOW it and USE itfor it's own sake, but rather to AVOID getting sick!!!BeiYin: First you need to calm down, then you can search and look atall the information you are receiving and then you make your decision.There is coming in more information then you are asking for becauseall you mention turns around 'natural health' and this is a limitedlevel. It depends on your ability to take in something that goesbeyond this. Angel: And how the hell do I UN-learn all that I know now? I mean, howdo I stuff my face with that doughnut and FORGET about all theartificial crap that's in it, so I can enjoy it like a "normal" person??BeiYin: You don't need to unlearn thing about 'natural health' but ifyou want to live a normal life like every body else around you andthat means that you can enjoy junk food, then indeed there is quitesomething more to learn. That is so much, that a 'normal' person isnot capable for it. That's the bad news. The good news is that you arecapable. First you need to understand that disease is not what normal peoplesee in it. I can't tell you now, then this post would be too long. Butyou are motivated to find out about it yourself. You can go to my Website, where I have told the story about my self healing process fromFibromyalgia and from an Inguinal Hernia. You might get someinspiration out of it...Now only that much more: I mentioned before that it is not enough totake care of ones physical aspects. It is also necessary to be inbalance with ones emotions and mental. That doesn't mean that you havea nice religious or spiritual concept that gives you security andsatisfaction. That's the reason why I don't write about spiritualaspects, although of course there you can find the origin of yourdisease... But I want to avoid that you fly from one cloud to an otherone! It has more to do with what you really are and not just what yourself image is. With other words: You need to gain self knowledge andfind out about your unconscious background. That means a knowledgethat goes beyond your personality. How to do this in an effective wayyou also can find out at my Web site: http://falconblanco.com (Don'tworry, I'm not selling anything, I'm just sharing my experiences!)Keep your positive attitude and go on, ask questions and the answerswill come to you...NamasteBeiYin

 

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[Guest guest]

Oy ve - I should have replied to BeiYin sooner ! I'm so sorry, I got a bit overwhelmed the last couple of days.

 

Tony thank you- you must really have a gentle soul to be so considerate and protective of your members' feelings.

 

But BeiYin read me right as rain.

 

Actually I'm not sure if s/he (sorry, I don't know if this is a male or female name!) read me right, perhaps this is just her/his style, but it's perfect for ME! I love the candor and forthrightness and really did feel the best intention behind the feedback. Felt not a sliver of harshness at all.

 

Thank you again.... still processing it all...

 

Angel

 

 

 

 

 

Re: pissed and confused

Posted by: "Tony"

Mon Apr 7, 2008 7:49 pm (PDT)

I think that your message, while well meaning, may come across a bitharsher than you mean it to - as in lecturing instead of relating. Nevertheless, I think your intent is good and I hope Angel feels thesame. BTW - I took a look at your website. What a great place you have atFrancoBlanco!Tony

[Guest guest]

BeiYin, you are right about me. I can take it. As a matter of fact - it's the most effective way for me. Once I hear something that on some level, some part of me feels is true, it will stain me on the surface and I won't be able to wash it off however hard I try to get rid of it ! Until I finally assimilate it and figure out "now what!?"

 

Your words have stained me now. I know there's something there, because I kept thinking about it all day off and on. Wanting to get home and read your reply again.

 

Truth is really annoying usually, once I know something, it's simply impossible to "un-know" it again, and so - once I know differently, I must "do" differently. I guess it's this "do" part that I'm resisting and maybe that's why the "know" part is so hard to let in.

 

I'm thinking, BeiYin.... I'm glad to know you're here. I know I will need your input again...

 

Thank you,

Angel

 

 

 

Is there something harsher than the truth? If Angel can't take it,then also she will not be able to jump down from her cloud, notknowing and not being secure what she might find. From her post I hadthe impression that she is capable to take self responsibility to getout of her old self image and the dependency of common socialpictures. Only then she can heal herself in a wholesome way and thehealing of her cancer is just one of the healing effects. Then shewill know that her disease was needed to wake her up and without thischallenge she would have been stuck in an already worn out state ofbeing that was longing to grow...BeiYin

[Guest guest]

I am feeling same things as angel this days because my wife have had

breast cancer she got a surgery but she would not to take

chemoterapy we did bet on diet and did a 180 degree change in our

lives but the ilness is coming bak and now I dont know what to think

about. Is true, we dont know lot of things and maybe there is

samething missing and she need other treatment.

I am very happy to read this email that clarified something.

I do not know how is now, we are doing exams, but we dont know what

to do next.

I didnt put my wife on oleander but I talk about it with her and she

is no so sure...

Sorry about but I saw very good and nice people here and I think you

all understand my worries.

Hope my english is ok.

Any advice will be gratefull.

Fabian

 

 

oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo

wrote:

>

> BeiYin, you are right about me. I can take it. As a matter of

fact - it's the most effective way for me. Once I hear something

that on some level, some part of me feels is true, it will stain me

on the surface and I won't be able to wash it off however hard I try

to get rid of it ! Until I finally assimilate it and figure

out " now what!? "

>

> Your words have stained me now. I know there's something there,

because I kept thinking about it all day off and on. Wanting to get

home and read your reply again.

>

> Truth is really annoying usually, once I know something, it's

simply impossible to " un-know " it again, and so - once I know

differently, I must " do " differently. I guess it's this " do " part

that I'm resisting and maybe that's why the " know " part is so hard

to let in.

>

> I'm thinking, BeiYin.... I'm glad to know you're here. I know I

will need your input again...

>

> Thank you,

> Angel

>

>

>

> Is there something harsher than the truth? If Angel can't take it,

> then also she will not be able to jump down from her cloud, not

> knowing and not being secure what she might find. From her post I

had

> the impression that she is capable to take self responsibility to

get

> out of her old self image and the dependency of common social

> pictures. Only then she can heal herself in a wholesome way and the

> healing of her cancer is just one of the healing effects. Then she

> will know that her disease was needed to wake her up and without

this

> challenge she would have been stuck in an already worn out state of

> being that was longing to grow...

> BeiYin

>

[Guest guest]

Bless your heart my friend..... This is the place to vent and let

out your feelings. And you are in your perfect right to do so. Your

emotions are very normal and I believe many people, possibly

including myself, might react the same way. We all tend to do that

when we have had that proverbial rug pulled out from under us.

 

But even if oleander is not an option, hope is by no means lost. By

the way, emotions, are very normal, so is anger and tears. Never

discount them. It is part of who we are.

 

Follow Tony's anti-cancer, anti-disease protocol. Continue on your

health regimen, please don't let that go, not for any reason.

 

There, unfortunately, are no guarantees in life (drat!), as we live

in a toxic world no matter where we are. Yet, we have the tools to

regain our health, our optimum health.

 

Now that you have fallen down, or been pushed down so to speak, pick

yourself up, dust yourself off, and continue following that road to

health. I am so glad you joined this forum. Actually, you came to

the right place.

 

Hey, and how does that song go.... " It's all right to cry. " (oh

gosh I'm dating myself) And it's alright to be angry.

 

Hugs,

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo

wrote:

>

>

> Thanks ,

>

> Don't worry, I'm not losing hope. I'm just venting and hungry to

hear if my thoughts resonate with others or not.

>

> So, I'm taking digitalis on my antrhoposophical doctor's orders -

not for heart but for something or other that causes/prevents cancer,

can't remember what the 4 things are according to his philosophy.

>

> So, that means Oleander is out for me, right?

>

> You said " And with the proper steps in natural healing it can be

eradicated. "

>

> See, it is that attitude that makes me angry now... (angry not at

you, just that thinking - because I used to share it too) I guess

because I see no truth in it anymore since my diagnosis. Before, I

would hear health-conscious people get diagnosed with cancer and I

could still believe that perhaps they weren't living " quite " as

healthily as they could/should have. But when it happened to me, I

couldn't make that excuse anymore because I KNOW how healthily I've

lived! So if this were really true - I shouldn't have come down with

cancer! My immune system shouldn't have faltered!

>

> Angel

>

> Re: pissed and confused

> Posted by: " May " luellamay129 luellamay129

> Mon Apr 7, 2008 3:54 pm (PDT)

>

> I was responding to Angel, and my connection bleeped and I lost it

all.

> But that is okay, because then I saw Rob's post come in. And I will

> respond to both at once.

>

> First of all, Angel, I understand your anger, but please don't stop

what

> you are doing. Keep going. Keep doing everything healthy Please

don't

> list hope. Somehow your immune system was compromised, that's all.

>

> In the Files section to the left, read Tony's Anti-Cancer and

Disease

> Protocol and follow it. And I read your post about finding the

missing

> pieces to Oleander. Tony has various articles about Oleander,

including

> its history. Together with the article that you referenced, this

will

> give you a complete understanding of the benefits of oleander.

>

> The recipe for the soup is also in the Files Section. However, as I

> posted in another post above, the best way to go about taking

oleander

> is from http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com/

> <http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com/> The price is quite reasonable,

only

> $60.00 per month. It is prepared in a lab with strict batch control

and

> under the strictest supervision and conditions possible. And this

> assures a mistake proof, no hassle method of taking oleander. If

> preparing the recipe, it must be followed to the letter and no

shortcuts

> at all should be taken. Also, anybody taking blood thinners or heart

> medication should not take the oleander remedy.

>

> Rob, this is for you too. I am in no way leaving you out. Sometimes

> life just is not fair. However, there is so much hope. Please don't

> despair. I can imagine the anger and actual feeling of betrayal. And

> cancer can enter the body in so many different ways: Diet, toxins,

are

> two, and there is always somehow a compromised immune system. I

don't

> know what you diet consists of, but with the proper diet, Tony's

> protocol, oleander, etc., this could be the beginning of a brand new

> world for you. Just, help yourself to the articles and please ask

> questions.

>

> Again, I urge everyone to read Tony's ebook Cancer's Natural Enemy

> http://www.rose-laurel.com/ <http://www.rose-laurel.com/> This will

> give you a more comprehensive understanding on the subject of

cancer.

>

> We all have a dreadful image of cancer. However, in reality, it is

> nothing more than a disease. And with the proper steps in natural

> healing it can be erradicated.

>

> My best to both of you,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo wrote:

 

Angel: BeiYin, you are right about me. I can take it. As a matter of

fact - it's the most effective way for me. Once I hear something that

on some level, some part of me feels is true, it will stain me on the

surface and I won't be able to wash it off however hard I try to get

rid of it! Until I finally assimilate it and figure out " now what!? "

 

BeiYin: I just tell you: The last time I even didn't read the messages

from various groups and from the Oleander group there are accumulated

more than one thousand emails I haven't read yet. Then I opened only

one of them and this was yours and I felt that I needed to respond to

it. Lately I'm tired of all those posts. Yes, there is given support

but it stays mostly on this supporting level, what means giving

confirmation. I don't see this as real help. But when I responded

differently in some ocations then I was ignored or there were coming

defensive reactions, showing that this person was not open enough and

not ready to get out of their established self image, in which disease

is part of it.

 

Angel: Your words have stained me now. I know there's something there,

because I kept thinking about it all day off and on. Wanting to get

home and read your reply again.

Truth is really annoying usually, once I know something, it's simply

impossible to " un-know " it again, and so - once I know differently, I

must " do " differently. I guess it's this " do " part that I'm resisting

and maybe that's why the " know " part is so hard to let in.

I'm thinking, BeiYin... I'm glad to know you're here. I know I will

need your input again...

 

BeiYin: From your response it shows that my words were falling on

fertile soil and that's because you have already a 'close encounter'

with yourself and you are ready to listen to yourself and if there

comes something from 'outside' then this finds an echo from within -

or not.

In so far I don't worry for you about those dubious voices you will

receive as responses, you will know and make your clear decision...

The same with the many advices you might get to better your health

condition. You will need to select carefully, as you can't do all

even they all sound convincing.

To be able to get out of confusion, first you need to calm down and

then to do favorable things to strengthen the connection with your

'inner voice'. So my suggestion is, that you go as soon as possible to

my Web page about doing an effective 'StressReleaseExercise', that you

will find at: http://falconblanco.com/release/ You can start with it

right away and then you will see that the next step will just unfold.

If there is any question then you can count with me. This group is a

good platform and others might participate and get something valuable

out of it, that's a real great part of the Internet...

PS: When you hadn't responded after a few days, I didn't feel good

about my post and though about dropping my Internet activities. Then I

could observe that the energy here at the place and also with the

present people went down and they made several mistakes with their

work, so I got kind of 'pissed'. Then after your good positive

response came, I was uplifted and when I went out to see what people

were doing, then I noticed an astonishing change. They were

enthusiastic and in a good mood. Interesting isn't it? So we see that

our actions and reactions have an effect that goes much further then

we think and ones creative output can initiate a chain reaction that

goes on and on. Good to see...

[Guest guest]

Fabian, your English is wonderful.

 

Your wife's immune system needs to be strengthened. It is still

compromised. What type of diet are you using? Raw? The best is a

raw diet consisting mainly of vegetables. Let me also give you a

link to go by.

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/022368.html

 

This is an article entitled " Juice Feasting " and it has untold

health benefits. It is an optimum disease fighting nutritional

system.

 

Also........

 

/anticancer.htm

 

This is Tony's article, a Natural Cancer Protocol. And it covers

every aspect of healing cancer the natural way.

 

In case your wife changes her mind with regard to using oleander, let

me give you the following link:

 

http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com/

 

Please remember that oleander does cross assay with digitalis/digoxin.

 

Of course, there is the recipe to make Oleandersoup, but it must be

followed to the letter. Of course, we would be here to help you if

you choose to go that route, with any questions that you would have.

However, Oleander from Sutherlandia, is the best way, as it does away

with all the hassles at a most reasonable price. I believe it is

$60.00 monthly. The owner of this site, Marc Swanepoel is also a

member of our forum. He has had enormous success in South Africa

with Aids and Cancer patients.

 

I encourage you to read all the articles with regard to oleander in

the Files section to the left to so you become more familiar with it

and fully explain in to your wife.

 

I wish you all the best,

 

 

 

oleander soup , " lu5fhp " <lu5fhp wrote:

>

> I am feeling same things as angel this days because my wife have

had

> breast cancer she got a surgery but she would not to take

> chemoterapy we did bet on diet and did a 180 degree change in our

> lives but the ilness is coming bak and now I dont know what to

think

> about. Is true, we dont know lot of things and maybe there is

> samething missing and she need other treatment.

> I am very happy to read this email that clarified something.

> I do not know how is now, we are doing exams, but we dont know what

> to do next.

> I didnt put my wife on oleander but I talk about it with her and

she

> is no so sure...

> Sorry about but I saw very good and nice people here and I think

you

> all understand my worries.

> Hope my english is ok.

> Any advice will be gratefull.

> Fabian

>

>

> oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo@>

> wrote:

> >

> > BeiYin, you are right about me. I can take it. As a matter of

> fact - it's the most effective way for me. Once I hear something

> that on some level, some part of me feels is true, it will stain me

> on the surface and I won't be able to wash it off however hard I

try

> to get rid of it ! Until I finally assimilate it and figure

> out " now what!? "

> >

> > Your words have stained me now. I know there's something there,

> because I kept thinking about it all day off and on. Wanting to

get

> home and read your reply again.

> >

> > Truth is really annoying usually, once I know something, it's

> simply impossible to " un-know " it again, and so - once I know

> differently, I must " do " differently. I guess it's this " do " part

> that I'm resisting and maybe that's why the " know " part is so hard

> to let in.

> >

> > I'm thinking, BeiYin.... I'm glad to know you're here. I know I

> will need your input again...

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Angel

> >

> >

> >

> > Is there something harsher than the truth? If Angel can't take it,

> > then also she will not be able to jump down from her cloud, not

> > knowing and not being secure what she might find. From her post I

> had

> > the impression that she is capable to take self responsibility to

> get

> > out of her old self image and the dependency of common social

> > pictures. Only then she can heal herself in a wholesome way and

the

> > healing of her cancer is just one of the healing effects. Then she

> > will know that her disease was needed to wake her up and without

> this

> > challenge she would have been stuck in an already worn out state

of

> > being that was longing to grow...

> > BeiYin

> >

>