Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 That sounds great! And I bet you did not turn blue either. Just a reminder, but when you follow my affiliate link to Utopia Silver to buy the best colloidal silver available anywhere, or any other supplement they have, you can use a special discount code created first for this group, which is LR007 and get 15% off any item not currently on sale. Here is that link: http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=18 And by the way, first time customers for the colloidal silver are eligible for a buy one, get one free offer. Yep, a blatant promo. It is my friend's company whom I have known since the second grade, he is leading the fight for health freedom against the FDA for all of us, and it IS the best product around, made by a unique method he devised. AND, I got him to give a special discount to this group. Apologies? NONE! oleander soup , Liz Clifton <free2roamliz wrote: > > Hi-- the Colloida Silver that i use is probably not the best it is the cheapest --from Source Naturals-Wellness and i was taking 2 teaspoons a day now only 1. i was told to take it cause the burning on my palate was getting unbearable before surgery. and the pain disapeared at once but the tumor still grew.But the sinus infection i continually had for30 yrs went away, and after the surgery i don't know what helped but the acid reflux i had had for 20yrs went away. so did the sleep apnea and dry mouth i had for 2yrs is gone.stopped taking my blood pressure and reflux meds so i could take herbal and on meds my blood pressure sometimes would be as high as 223 over 109, now off meds it is almost normal. > thanx----Liz > > Tony wrote: > What kind of silver are you using? Superior colloidal silver such as > Utopia Silver's Advanced Colloidal Silver (made like no other Silver > in the world - only two companies have the technology) is deadly to > almost ALL single cell pathogens, and has been tested to kill over > 650, including MRSA, strep, you name it, and it kills them all via the > same mechanism: > > The presence of Colloidal Silver near a virus, fungus, bacterium, or > any other single-celled pathogen acts as a catalyst in order to > disable those enzymes that pathogenic (disease-bearing) bacteria, > viruses and fungi require for the metabolism of oxygen in order to > breathe. > > As a result, within a few minutes these microbes either starve or > suffocate without any corresponding harm towards the various parts of > the human body chemistry, including human enzymes. This leads to the > complete destruction of any disease-producing organism in the body, > which are expelled from the body by the immune, lymphatic and > elimination systems. > > True colloidal silver (most are ionic) is able to get past the > hydrochloric acid in the stomach much better and thus reach the > infection, where ionic silver is released. > > Viral infections, resistant infections and systemic infections may > require considerably larger amounts for a number of days. > > > > oleander soup , Jeffery Jack <jeffery.jack@> > wrote: > > > > Tony, > > > > I understand the mechinism of action of silver against Bacteria. > Silver acts on bacteria by generating oxygen from air or water which > in turn destroys the cell wall membranes of bacteria (single celled > organisms with fragile cell walls). I have not ever heard a good > explaination of how Silver works on viruses and have had no success > with Silver on what have been apparent viruses among my family and > friends. I am supposing that the cold symptoms that friends and > family have had have been viral, and I have had no success with the CS > on these viral illnesses. I have however seen it work very > effectively on Bacterial Sinusitis, Bacterial Pink Eye, Superficial > infections, and Food Poisoning. What is your take on this? Have you > or anyone else been able to effectively knock out any and all viruses > (colds/flu/HIV/Hepititis B, etc.). I appreciate your comments. > > > > Blessings to you, > > > > Jeff > > > > Tony @> wrote: > > Put another way, an immune system cannot be too strong, > but could be > > overstimulated. > > > > Good point. > > > > For maintenance purposes (when not fighting a serious disease or > > condition), it makes no sense to really overload your system with > > immune boosters and stimulators, but it is always a good idea to > > maintain a very strong immune system > > > > As Jon Barron pointed out, in the event of a pandemic of bird flu, it > > would be a good idea to have some good anti-virals and pathogen > > fighters around too. > > > > Colloidal silver is hard to beat when fighting any single celled > > pathogen, viral or bacterial. > > > > > > > > oleander soup , Michael Goebel <goebelchx@> wrote: > > > > > > different perspective: > > > An immune system cannot be too strong. The question is does is it > > properly act in accordance w/ need (physiology) or react > > inappropriately with need (pathology). > > > > > > The problem is not too much power, but rather how to properly > apply it. > > > > > > Dr. Goebel > > > > > > ed4soup <ed4636@> wrote: Tony, > > that's a great article, well worth the space and time to read. > > > Medical question to answer: How do you test the strength of your > > > immune system, and monitor it to insure it's not operating on too high > > > a level? If Jon Barron's right, this is important. I suspect with > > > OS, like vitamin C, the body absorbs what it needs and disregards the > > > rest. Our brain is very sensitive to chemical balances, and makes > > > adjustments immediately if it detect an overage, ie: ph of blood, > > > oxygen ratios, etc. > > > > > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Cost of a Strong Immune System > > > > > > > > by Jon Barron > > > > > > > > Okay, so having a strong immune system is good...you would think? > > The > > > > stronger the better...right? You should be buying whatever > > supplements > > > > you can lay your hands on to pump up your immune response...who > > could > > > > argue with that? > > > > > > > > As it turns out, not necessarily. It seems that too much of a good > > > > thing, in some circumstances, may actually be bad for you. Last > > month, > > > > a study was published in Behavioral Ecology and Sociobiology > > > > > > <http://www.adz2go.com/mailmgt/Url.asp?CID=81896 & HID=8048916 & UID=121362> > > > > that just might explain why the obvious ain't necessarily so. > > > > Bird behavior > > > > The reason for the study was an observation that when it comes to > > > > raising children, extended family units, or what is referred to as > > > > " cooperative breeding " is not that common. At first glance, shared > > > > rearing of offspring would seem to provide a host of natural > > advantages. > > > > It better defines the home/nest. It allows for more food to be > > gathered, > > > > better care to be taken of the young, not to mention, offering the > > > > potential for better education. And yet, in most species it just > > doesn't > > > > happen. Think lions and bears, for example. The cubs are raised > > by the > > > > mothers alone -- lest the fathers kill the cubs. In fact, > infanticide > > > > has been found in many species, including gorillas, cats, dogs, > > whales, > > > > rodents, insects and fish. The bottom line is that among species, > > > > cooperative breeding is the exception, not the rule -- common > > primarily > > > > in humans and birds. So the question arises, with all its " apparent " > > > > advantages , why do so few species do it? > > > > > > > > As it turns out, the benefits of cooperative breeding come with > > a cost. > > > > Or to put it another way, the benefits of cooperative breeding > > extend > > > > not only to the immediate species, but also to the pathogens and > > > > parasites that plague them. Quite simply: > > > > > > > > * Because of all the close contact among family members in > > > > cooperative breeding, there is more interaction among > > > > individuals, thus more chance for transmission of the > > pathogens. > > > > * Since the interaction is with close relatives, they share > > > > similar immune system capabilities -- their bodies are > > actually > > > > selectively breeding parasites better able to overcome those > > > > capabilities. (Any parasites that survive, by definition, > > survive > > > > because they can resist those capabilities.) > > > > > > > > As Dr. Spottiswoode, the lead researcher in the study said, " This > > > > hypothesis predicts that cooperative breeders should invest > > relatively > > > > more in immune defense than closely related species which breed in > > > > pairs. " > > > > > > > > She tested her hypothesis by examining the PHA response > > > > > > <http://www.adz2go.com/mailmgt/Url.asp?CID=81896 & HID=8048916 & UID=121363> > > > > of the immune system in different species of African birds. The > > actual > > > > methodology was to inject the birds with phytohaemagglutinin > > (PHA), a > > > > substance that induces an immune reaction. In particular, when > > PHA is > > > > inserted under the skin of a bird's wing, it causes minor > > swelling. Dr > > > > Spottiswoode reasoned that the amount of swelling from a dose of PHA > > > > would reveal the activity of a bird's immune system. The more > > at risk > > > > the bird was, the more swiftly its immune system would respond > > to any > > > > challenge, and the greater that response would be. That response, > > > > however, comes at a price. The stronger the response, the greater > > the > > > > swelling. The greater the swelling, the greater the immune stress on > > > > the bird and the more energy its immune system ended up using to > > fight > > > > off the effects of pathogens. The bottom line was that among 66 > > species > > > > tested, the PHA response was significantly higher in the 18 > > > > cooperatively breeding species. Based on Dr. Spottiswoode's > > hypothesis, > > > > these results suggest that cooperatively breeding birds, because of > > > > their increased exposure to more virulent pathogens, had developed > > > > " stronger " immune systems than non-cooperative breeders. But these > > > > stronger immune systems came at a cost: > > > > > > > > * Greater immune stress > > > > * More use of body resources > > > > * Increased inflammation > > > > > > > > Although Dr Spottiswoode's research focused on birds, the > > principle is > > > > likely to apply to other cooperative breeders such as human beings. > > > > Indeed, the evidence is that many human infections -- malaria, > > measles > > > > and flu, for example -- stem from the crowded living conditions > > shared > > > > by modern man. As a result, we see more virulent infections, > > stronger > > > > immune responses, and greater stress on the body. This gives a whole > > > > new meaning to Hilary Clinton's line, " It takes a village. " > > > > Where do we see this in humans? > > > > Back in August of 2005, I first addressed the issue of Bird Flu > > > > > > <http://www.adz2go.com/mailmgt/Url.asp?CID=81896 & HID=8048916 & UID=121364> > > > > (although at the time, despite the beginnings of the media frenzy, I > > > > said that I didn't see it as an imminent threat -- which it > > turned out > > > > not to be.). More importantly, though, I proposed that contrary > > to most > > > > of the advice you would hear in the alternative health community, > > > > building your immune system could be a major contributing factor in > > > > mortality rates if bird flu did hit. As I said back then: > > > > > > > > * Many alternative health companies are trying to tell > > you to > > > > boost your immune system to protect yourself. That's a > > > > questionable tactic with bird flu -- at least if not > > accompanied > > > > by the use of pathogen destroyers. Death from bird flu is most > > > > likely to come from a cytokine storm triggered by your own immune > > > > system, not from the flu itself. This is the same situation > > we saw > > > > in the great influenza pandemic of 1918/1919. > > > > > > > > And now, thanks to Dr. Spottiswoode's study, we have an idea as > > to why > > > > this happens. In the case of bird flu, the stronger immune > > response of > > > > " healthy " people exacts too great a cost on the human body -- > > literally > > > > killing it by virtue of its overreaction. Or to put it another way, > > > > the cost of an extremely strong immune response is too high. > > > > > > > > It's interesting that almost three years later, and even with > > the new > > > > study now available for all to see, little has changed. Medical > > > > doctors still tell you to get flu shots to protect yourself (even > > though > > > > they are, at best, only marginally effective > > > > > > <http://www.adz2go.com/mailmgt/Url.asp?CID=81896 & HID=8048916 & UID=121365> > > > > ), and people in the alternative health community still tell you to > > > > build your immune system (so that your body can be overtaxed > > and die). > > > > It's not just flu > > > > Once we understand the problem -- that an overly strong immune > > system > > > > forced to address pathogens at full viral or bacterial load is an > > > > unbalanced immune system and will exact a cost on the body, we > > realize > > > > that the problem is likely to be endemic and appear in many > > different > > > > forms (some fatal and others not) in many different people. And it > > > > does. For example: > > > > > > > > * Endemic immune system disorders > > > > * A significant increase in diseases/symptoms such as > > > > fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue > > > > * Chronic systemic inflammation in joints, muscles, and > > > > cardiovascular systems. (Remember, just like in the birds, > > > > inflammation is an immune system response.) > > > > Conclusion > > > > Dr. Spottiswoode conducted her experiments to better understand > > why more > > > > animals didn't have extended families since doing so appeared to > > offer > > > > great benefits. In the end, she went a long way to proving her > > > > hypothesis that extended families demand much more active immune > > > > systems from individuals, which extracts a heavy cost on the body. > > > > Kudos to Dr. Spottiswoode. For me, though, I see other important > > > > information coming from this study -- information that can alter how > > > > you choose to " optimize " your immune system and prepare for any > > invading > > > > pathogens. What the study showed, if you look from a slightly > > different > > > > perspective, is that when it comes to the immune system, more is not > > > > always better. Improving the strength of the immune system comes > > at a > > > > cost. Optimizing the immune system, then, comes down to " cost > > benefit > > > > analysis. " > > > > > > > > The bottom line is yes, you want your immune system to respond > > strongly > > > > to any pathogens -- but not too strongly. If it responds too > > strongly, > > > > the costs can outweigh the benefits. An overactive immune system can > > > > lead to: > > > > > > > > * Sustained systemic inflammation > > > > * Autoimmune disorders > > > > * Overactive responses to allergens > > > > * Even death, as in the case of avian flu > > > > > > > > So exactly what does that mean: > > > > > > > > * It means that you do want to use immune builders such as > > > > * Echinacea > > > > * Pau d'arco > > > > * Suma > > > > * Astragalus > > > > * Medicinal mushrooms > > > > * AHCC > > > > * Beta glucans > > > > * Aloe vera > > > > * Alkyglycerol > > > > * Lactoferrin > > > > * Bovine colostrums > > > > * Glutathione > > > > * Mangosteen > > > > * Colostrum > > > > > > > > * But it means you also want a supply of natural antipathogens on > > > > hand to ratchet down the need for a high level immune system > > response. > > > > * Garlic > > > > * Olive leaf extract > > > > * Oil of wild mountain oregano > > > > * Grapefruit seed extract > > > > > > > > * It's also a good idea to regularly supplement with natural > > > > immunomodulators that help to regulate immune response - moving > > a weak > > > > immune system up and calming an overactive immune system down. These > > > > include > > > > * L-carnosine > > > > * Colostrum > > > > * CMO > > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to fighting disease and staying healthy, your immune > > > > system is your best friend. You want the strongest immune system > > > > response you can have without it being so strong that it > > overtaxes the > > > > body. If you can tone down the strength of the pathogenic > > attack, then > > > > a strong immune system works in your favor -- finishing off the > > > > invading little buggers as quickly as possible, but without the > > need to > > > > drain down your reserves. But if you don't ratchet down the > > strength > > > > of the attack, your immune system actually works against you -- > > causing > > > > chronic inflammation, immune system disorders, overactive allergy > > > > responses, or as in the case of avian flu, potentially killing you. > > > > > > > > For more information on how to boost your immune system AND what > > > > anti-pathogens to stockpile and use: > > > > > > > > * Click Here > > > > > > <http://www.adz2go.com/mailmgt/Url.asp?CID=81896 & HID=8048916 & UID=121366> > > > > . > > > > > > > > To understand why antibiotics and antivirals aren't going to > > save you: > > > > > > > > * Click Here > > > > > > <http://www.adz2go.com/mailmgt/Url.asp?CID=81896 & HID=8048916 & UID=121367> > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > Search. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. 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