Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 I would recommend cutting out all milk and dairy from your diet. I have had good results from an herb called stone root. You can get it in liquid or capsules-I prefer the liquid. Keep us updated Troy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 I currently take the prescription medicine Singulair to control my asthma. I tried to quit after a year, but started to wheeze after only seven days off. I am researching TCM or herbals for asthma and suggest you look into the following: Quercitin Goldenseal Stephania Root (Fang Ji) Asthma is an inflammation problem, either with histamine or leukotrienes. The Singulair helps control the leukotrienes, and I take Atarax for histamine. My body is strange in that antihistamines wire me instead of making me sleepy, therefore, I take the Atarax in the mornings. Good hunting. Karen in San Diego. Idris Enoch wrote: >Hi... > >I don't usually post..just read. > >Recently diagnosed with COPD, Chronic bronchitis and/or chronic asthma... > >>From what I've read the chronic bronchitis diagnosis is...severely >understated... This has been going on for years non-stop. There is >hyper-inflation. > >I went in for rhinitis that was out-of-control! Bah. It was my major >complaint as I was approaching shock (imo)three times a week. >Completely disabling and would take days to recover from the attack. > >Can anyone suggest herbs and/or points that are traditionally used to >help the lungs expectorate? > >Ideally I'd like to find something that doesn't make the air-sacs >dilate anymore as they are already set to burst with the >hyper-inflation. The MD put me on a bronchiodilator! This makes >absolutely no sense to me. Why would you put someone on something that >would aggrevate the situation even more making it even harder to >exhale because of the resulting damage?! OK..tangent. > >Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated! > >Thanks > >Chris > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 I don't understand your symptoms entirely. But I have a neighbor that had bad asthma due to allergies. Her doctor put her on the last medication that they had and it wasn't working. I told her that I read taking MSM is supposed to help people with asthma and she could try it. She did and it worked. I don't know why it worked except MSM is a sulfur supplement. Perhaps her body was lacking. Ask your doctor if taking this kind of supplement would be safe for you. Many people with arthritis take this along with amino acids to support their joints. It also seems to act as a pain reliever. Most people have excellent results with it. The net is full of information on MSM, please do a search. Liz D. - Idris Enoch Chinese Traditional Medicine 7/1/2004 10:10:46 PM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] COPD Hi... I don't usually post..just read. Recently diagnosed with COPD, Chronic bronchitis and/or chronic asthma... From what I've read the chronic bronchitis diagnosis is...severely understated... This has been going on for years non-stop. There is hyper-inflation. I went in for rhinitis that was out-of-control! Bah. It was my major complaint as I was approaching shock (imo)three times a week. Completely disabling and would take days to recover from the attack. Can anyone suggest herbs and/or points that are traditionally used to help the lungs expectorate? Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 A word of caution...among the allergies I have is one to sulphur drugs. Be careful....~m <Rabbitbrain wrote: I don't understand your symptoms entirely. But I have a neighbor that had bad asthma due to allergies. Her doctor put her on the last medication that they had and it wasn't working. I told her that I read taking MSM is supposed to help people with asthma and she could try it. She did and it worked. I don't know why it worked except MSM is a sulfur supplement. Perhaps her body was lacking. Ask your doctor if taking this kind of supplement would be safe for you. Many people with arthritis take this along with amino acids to support their joints. It also seems to act as a pain reliever. Most people have excellent results with it. The net is full of information on MSM, please do a search. Liz D. - Idris Enoch Chinese Traditional Medicine 7/1/2004 10:10:46 PM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] COPD Hi... I don't usually post..just read. Recently diagnosed with COPD, Chronic bronchitis and/or chronic asthma... From what I've read the chronic bronchitis diagnosis is...severely understated... This has been going on for years non-stop. There is hyper-inflation. I went in for rhinitis that was out-of-control! Bah. It was my major complaint as I was approaching shock (imo)three times a week. Completely disabling and would take days to recover from the attack. Can anyone suggest herbs and/or points that are traditionally used to help the lungs expectorate? Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 I'm not sure how much of a background you have in TCM, but since there are list members who are new to TCM, I'm going into the basics. What gets diagnosed and treated in TCM are TCM imbalances, not Western-definied medical conditions. (This will start to make more sense shortly.) One or more of several possible TCM imbalances can underlie what is called asthma in the West. Because the TCM Roots can be different, what helps one asthmatic may do nothing for a second and may even make a third sicker. The TCM Roots are different so the treatments need to be different. One of the first questions a TCM healer might ask is does the person have more trouble exhaling than inhaling, or more problems inhaling than exhaling? In general (there are exceptions), more problems exhaling than inhaling points to an Excess problem, and more problems inhaling than exhaling points to a Deficiency problem. The reality often is that there are mixed Excess and Deficiency problems, but the difficulty inhaling or exhaling often will point to the primary problem. " Excess " means that problems are coming from there being too much of something. Like Phlegm, Qi Stagnation, etc. Deficiency problems arise when there is not enough of something the body needs. Like too little Kidney Yang. You have indicated that you have problems exhaling. This points to an Excess problem of some type (though I suspect there also are someunderlying Deficiency problems based on some other things you have said. This is not a TCM diagnosis but a learning and teaching exercise. If possible, you need to see a TCM healer in person as s/he can observe things about you that I and other list members can't over the Internet. Something else the TCM healer will consider is how External/ Internal the problem is. External in this usage refers to environmental factors. Are you having more problems when the weather is cold, hot, windy, dry, and/or damp, or, are the problems more or less constant? Are there both Interior and Exterior problems, and if so, what are they? One of the most important concepts in TCM is Hot/Cold. Are you too Hot or too Cold? One of the things a TCM healer will do is a tongue diagnosis. In general, if the tongue is too pale and the coating white, this points to a Cold imbalance (if other symptoms and signs of Cold are present). If the tongue is too red and the coating yellow, this points to a heat imbalance (if other signs and symptoms of Heat are present). Is the tip of the tongue redder than the rest of the tongue? This area of the tongue often reveals problems in the " Upper Burner " , the Heart and Lungs. Tongue tip redder than the rest of the tongue (and too red) often points to Heat in the Lungs and/or Heart. Other questions to ask when considering Heat and Cold include what is the person's favorite and least favorite season of the year. People who hate the summer and do better in the winter often are found to be too Hot. Those who hate the winter and do better in warmer weather often are found to have a Cold imbalance. Trouble cooling down? Possible Heat problem. Trouble warming up? Possible Cold problem. Did this problem start with some kind of infection like a cold or the flu, and you were never the same afterwards and kept getting worse and worse? The TCM healer will be considering if this is a case of a pathogen that was never properly cleared from the body. (Your mention of chronic bronchitis raises this possibility.) By pathogen, we're not necessarily talking about a virus or bacteria but Heat, Cold, Wind. Most cases of the common cold are due to Wind Chill invading the body. A few are due to Wind Heat invading. If the Wind Chill or Wind Heat are not properly expelled, they can linger for years, causing problems. They also can transform into Fire. Like the Fire of bronchitis or pneumonia. There are several TCM patterns which can underlie what is called asthma in the West, and not all of them are Lung patterns. They include Wind Cold Assailing the Lungs, Wind Heat Invading the Lungs, Exterior Cold Couple With Interior Heat, Phlegm Turbidity Obstructing the Lungs, Phlegm Heat Congesting In The Lungs, Phlegm and Qi Depression and Binding Pattern, Lung Qi and Yin Dual Deficiency, Lung-Kidney Yin Deficiency, Lung-Spleen Qi Deficiency, Kidneys Not Grasping Qi, and Yang Deficiency Coupled With Water Deficiency to name a few. (List taken from The Treatment of Modern Western Medical Diseases With , Bob Flaw and Philippe Sionneau, pp. 90 to 98.) In addition, some Liver imbalances can play direct or indirect roles in asthma. These are Stagnant Liver Qi Rebelling Upward, Liver Fire Attacking the Lungs, and Liver Yin Deficiency. (Info from The Practice of Chinese Medicine, Giovanni Maciocia, p. 125.) In addition, Exterior (originating in the environment) Dryness and Interior (originating within the body) Dryness can assault the Lungs/lungs and cause breathing problems. Is your environment unusually dry? Do you run air conditioning a lot and at a very cold level? Rebellous Stomach Qi can trigger breathing problems (and worse) through the mechanism of acid reflux. Stomach acid gets into the esophagus and gets inhaled into the lungs. Flaws and Sionneau also mention the role Food Stagnation can play in cases of wheezing and panting. (p. 99) There is a special relationship between the Lungs and the Large Intestine. They are " coupled " . The Lungs are Yin Metal, and the LI is Yang Metal. (The Metal part won't mean a lot at present to those new to TCM. Just keep in mind that there is a special relationship between the Lungs and the LI.) If there is Heat in the Lungs, one way to get rid of it is to purge the LI. You eliminate Heat in the Lungs through the LI. Likewise, in some cases of constipation or colonic inertia (lack of peristalsis), lack of bowel movements will play a role in allowing Heat to build up in the Lungs as well as the person having breathing difficulties. When the bowels move, the breathing problems stop or at lease improve. (For more info see Flaws and Sionneau, p. 99.) This is just some of the general basics on breathing problems from a TCM standpoint. It also illustrates why what helps one asthmatic may do nothing for a second and may even make a third sicker. For example, imagine giving someone whose breathing problems have a Heat Root an herb or formula which warms the body more. That person would get sicker from a formula adding Heat to a body which already is too Hot. The appropriate formula should be cooling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 sulphur drugs are different than sulphur supplements. However there are a few people whose system doesn't metabolize sulphur properly in the liver and might experience a problem. It is not an alergic reaction though. Liz D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 & gt; Message: 3 & gt; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:34:26 -0700 (PDT) & gt; mthiessen & lt;mthiesse & gt; & gt; Re: Digest Number 1136 I & gt; took Vitamin C (Emergen-C by Alacer) several times a & gt; day (3,000 mg per day minimum per Dr Linus Pauling). That's great! Works well? & gt; I stopped taking the anti-biotic after 3 months & gt; (waaaay too long) and started re-building my immune & gt; system. In addition to the Vit C, I also took & gt; " Bronchial Formula " from Nature's Sunshine. It's one & gt; of their Ayurvedic compounds and works wonders. & gt; 1-800-223-8225 & lt; www.naturessunshine.com Thanks for the link, Ill try it out. & gt; & gt; & gt; I was able to get off the nebulizer. I also use & gt; Lavender EO (essential oil) and Lavender flower buds & gt; (en masse in a closed container)...I breathe/inhale & gt; them. Lavender is anti-spasmodic and gets rid of & gt; asthmatic paroxysms. Interesting technique..I'm may try that out also, especially during attacks... That's saying something to be able to get off of the nebulizer! My grandmother was on that till she passed..of course she worshipped at the AMA alter.. Ironically they diagnosed me with her condition just a week before she went... & gt; I live in a very polluted part of Texas where we & gt; have Orange Alert days (stay inside and don't & gt; breathe the air). I know what that is like. I lived on the south side of Chicago for years next to a working steel mill..We used to watch the metal fall out of the air from the smoke stacks... I am now able to control my & gt; breathing issues with meditation, Lavender and & gt; Benedryl. Meditation helped me get the attacks to calm down after they started... Oh...I also recently bought some herbal & gt; tea for breathing problems. " Breathe Easy " by & gt; Traditional Medicinals. It works too. Is that usually at the health food store do you know? & gt; I use Accupressure on my self (Go-Jo technique) and & gt; that also helps Thanks for that! My acupunturist moved away so I've been searching! Chris & gt; Good luck....~malinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 About the nebulizer (and pharmaceutical anti-histamines) ....I used the " body is a creature of habit " concept to wean my body off such things. I found the nebulizer to be especially addictive....the more you do, the more you need to do. I substituted Benedryl for big pharm pills and weaned away from Benedryl too. If mucous is a problem, Linden tea is also a very effective " dry up " herbal remedy. Brew some up , but drink it sparingly. Sometimes you need the whole cup, but sometimes all you need is a few sips. I buy the Linden tea on-line at www.AV-AT.com . That's also a good source of pharmaceutical grade EOs (essential oils..like Lavender and Oregano, etc) and Hydrosols too. Contact Butch for info about the use and purity of his EOs and Hydrosols. There's an email link on his website. I found Vit C very useful in re-building my immune system (which is totally dependant on Vit C ). I buy the Emergen-C and Lavender flower heads from my local health food store. The Alacer Vit C can also be purchased online at the Vitamin Shoppe website (do a google search). I also buy the Traditional Medicinals teas from Whole Foods...each of them probably have websites (I know Whole Foods does). About the acupressure points....I don't know the numbers, but I'll try to describe how to find them... 1) Somewhere on your forehead on a line running between your eyebrows to your hairline, there's a spot that dries up nasal congestion/mucous. Make small, gentle circles with your middle finger up this meridian until you find the spot. How will you know ? Your runny nose will clear up. 2) This one clears the lungs and is located beneath the clavicle/collar bone at the indented place. This indention is found on the top side of the clavicle just to the outside of where the clavicle joins the sternum (at the throat). The spot you're looking for is on the " under " side of the clavicle. Place your thumbs on these spots with your forearms parallel to the floor and rotate your elbows in backward circles. This will give you the proper stimulation. Feel around, the " points " will be sore (or sensitive) if they need stimulation. This helps you find them 3) Bend your arm up toward you and find the point at the end of the crease on the inner side of your elbow....between the crease and the bone. Press and make small circular motions until your lungs clear and the soreness (at the point) subsides. Yoga breaths help too....good luck. ~malinda Khepri Enoch <khepri wrote: > Message: 3 > Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:34:26 -0700 (PDT) > mthiessen <mthiesse > Re: Digest Number 1136 I > took Vitamin C (Emergen-C by Alacer) several times a > day (3,000 mg per day minimum per Dr Linus Pauling). That's great! Works well? > I stopped taking the anti-biotic after 3 months > (waaaay too long) and started re-building my immune > system. In addition to the Vit C, I also took > " Bronchial Formula " from Nature's Sunshine. It's one > of their Ayurvedic compounds and works wonders. > 1-800-223-8225 < www.naturessunshine.com Thanks for the link, Ill try it out. > > > I was able to get off the nebulizer. I also use > Lavender EO (essential oil) and Lavender flower buds > (en masse in a closed container)...I breathe/inhale > them. Lavender is anti-spasmodic and gets rid of > asthmatic paroxysms. Interesting technique..I'm may try that out also, especially during attacks... That's saying something to be able to get off of the nebulizer! My grandmother was on that till she passed..of course she worshipped at the AMA alter.. Ironically they diagnosed me with her condition just a week before she went... > I live in a very polluted part of Texas where we > have Orange Alert days (stay inside and don't > breathe the air). I know what that is like. I lived on the south side of Chicago for years next to a working steel mill..We used to watch the metal fall out of the air from the smoke stacks... I am now able to control my > breathing issues with meditation, Lavender and > Benedryl. Meditation helped me get the attacks to calm down after they started... Oh...I also recently bought some herbal > tea for breathing problems. " Breathe Easy " by > Traditional Medicinals. It works too. Is that usually at the health food store do you know? > I use Accupressure on my self (Go-Jo technique) and > that also helps Thanks for that! My acupunturist moved away so I've been searching! Chris > Good luck....~malinda Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Hi Francine, I highly recommend that you listen to Doc's free tape (you can email him to get a copy sent to you) and then call him for your free consult. He can help you with specifics on this. I think the Total Body Cleanse would be fantastic for you, but Doc may suggest some customization of it for you. Best, Kelli | | Francine [franciee] | Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:59 AM | herbal remedies | Herbal Remedies - COPD | | Any herbs that's can rebuild lung lining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Hi Rick, I have treated a patient has COPD and diabetes. you just go with the patterns. he has a pink tongue with greasy yellow tongue coating, cough out yellow to white sputum, he has loose stool with no appetite, his pulse is weak with floating forceful superficial pulse in the middle position. To get rid of phlegm, I used Er Chen Tang. Since he presents both excess and deficiency, I used Ban Xia Xie Xin Tang and Ge Geng Huang Qin Huang Lian Tang for chest tightness and loose stool. (he would only take pilled forms since powder will be too sticky for his throat.) As for acupuncture treatment, we never used back points since he would have breathing difficulties. Use points to clear lung heat, expel phlegm and supplement spleen. always double up the pillows for better breathing. In the beginning, he would fell into asleep as soon as the needle is inserted. later, he was diagnosed with sleep apnea and was put on a sleeping machine, which greatly improved his energy. Good luck, Vivianne Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: Hello group I have a patient with Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Is there any information available in TCM about this disease? or does anyone have some experience with it? Thanks in advance Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Thanks melhsia About this patient , he has feeling of cold (especially his hands) lower backpain, frequent urination at night (sometimes he have to go 7 times out of bed for urination) he is low at energy and have stiff muscles. He also suffers once a while from heart palpitations especially in rest. He has dry skin all over his body, and have of course because of the COPD breathing difficulties. He have to clear his throat a couple of times because of the mucus ( colour white and not a large quantity) He has smoked cigarettes from the age around 18 until 63, (and smoked a lot , somewhere around 50-60 cigarettes a day) He also drinks alcohol ( beer) but not much anymore. He stopped smoking now for 2 years. In the past he had also some liver problems. (western diagnosis= enlarged liver) His stools are soft and sometimes watery. Dislike to lay on his back while sleeping His tongue tends to pale and he have at the sides of his tongue some blue/purple spots. the side under his tongue have the same dark colour. The pulse is weak and deep and difficult to feel. I was thinking about Kidney Yang Xu , and because of his dry skin all over his body (and the adding of the dry/hot quality of tobacco) dryness in his lungs. And because of this dryness , that the Lung Yin could also be damaged, although he have no empty-heat signs. Could it be possible that because of the yin xu that the lung fluids become dried and phlegm/mucus is formed? For the Yang Xu he was given jing gui shen Qi wan, and a collegue advices also to give mai wei di huang wan. But i am not so sure of this formula. What do you think? thanks for your time Best wishes Rick " melhsia " <melhsia Chinese Medicine Friday, March 10, 2006 8:52:11 PM Re: COPD Hi Rick, I have treated a patient has COPD and diabetes. you just go with the patterns. he has a pink tongue with greasy yellow tongue coating, cough out yellow to white sputum, he has loose stool with no appetite, his pulse is weak with floating forceful superficial pulse in the middle position. To get rid of phlegm, I used Er Chen Tang. Since he presents both excess and deficiency, I used Ban Xia Xie Xin Tang and Ge Geng Huang Qin Huang Lian Tang for chest tightness and loose stool. (he would only take pilled forms since powder will be too sticky for his throat.) As for acupuncture treatment, we never used back points since he would have breathing difficulties. Use points to clear lung heat, expel phlegm and supplement spleen. always double up the pillows for better breathing. In the beginning, he would fell into asleep as soon as the needle is inserted. later, he was diagnosed with sleep apnea and was put on a sleeping machine, which greatly improved his energy. Good luck, Vivianne Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: Hello group I have a patient with Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Is there any information available in TCM about this disease? or does anyone have some experience with it? Thanks in advance Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Hi Rick, In this case, the patient presents -- frequent night urination, cold sensation in the extremities, pale tongue, low back pain, low energy-----all presents kidney yang def. --purple spots, and any chronic conditions always suggest blood stasis formation. --loss stool suggest that spleen is weak also. --phlegm accumulation in the chest. mai wei di huang wan's taste is sweet, my experience is that alcohol users generally doesn't like sweet in flavor, and that you don't want to use Di Huang, Mai Dong which are very sticky in nature and easily cause phlegm accumulation. in Gui Shen Qi Wan, there is also Di Huang, Gui Zhi, etc. have you ever considered Zhen Wu Tang? which has Fu zi to supplement kidney yang, Fu Lin, Bai Zhu for spleen, Shao Yao for moisten and stop pain,and Shen Jiang for awakening Stomach? Best if the patient has dizziness also. this formula is a more balanced formula which does not leave room to dampness accumulation. In stead of Mai Wei Di Huang, I would try think also possibility to use Wen Dan Tang. which is Er cheng Tang plus Zhu Ru, and Zhi Shi for mucus accumulation. I would not worry about possible lung yin def as of this time. Maybe will add some yin supplement formula later on when I see a yin def sign. That is just my opinion though. Good Luck! Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: Thanks melhsia About this patient , he has feeling of cold (especially his hands) lower backpain, frequent urination at night (sometimes he have to go 7 times out of bed for urination) he is low at energy and have stiff muscles. He also suffers once a while from heart palpitations especially in rest. He has dry skin all over his body, and have of course because of the COPD breathing difficulties. He have to clear his throat a couple of times because of the mucus ( colour white and not a large quantity) He has smoked cigarettes from the age around 18 until 63, (and smoked a lot , somewhere around 50-60 cigarettes a day) He also drinks alcohol ( beer) but not much anymore. He stopped smoking now for 2 years. In the past he had also some liver problems. (western diagnosis= enlarged liver) His stools are soft and sometimes watery. Dislike to lay on his back while sleeping His tongue tends to pale and he have at the sides of his tongue some blue/purple spots. the side under his tongue have the same dark colour. The pulse is weak and deep and difficult to feel. I was thinking about Kidney Yang Xu , and because of his dry skin all over his body (and the adding of the dry/hot quality of tobacco) dryness in his lungs. And because of this dryness , that the Lung Yin could also be damaged, although he have no empty-heat signs. Could it be possible that because of the yin xu that the lung fluids become dried and phlegm/mucus is formed? For the Yang Xu he was given jing gui shen Qi wan, and a collegue advices also to give mai wei di huang wan. But i am not so sure of this formula. What do you think? thanks for your time Best wishes Rick " melhsia " <melhsia Chinese Medicine Friday, March 10, 2006 8:52:11 PM Re: COPD Hi Rick, I have treated a patient has COPD and diabetes. you just go with the patterns. he has a pink tongue with greasy yellow tongue coating, cough out yellow to white sputum, he has loose stool with no appetite, his pulse is weak with floating forceful superficial pulse in the middle position. To get rid of phlegm, I used Er Chen Tang. Since he presents both excess and deficiency, I used Ban Xia Xie Xin Tang and Ge Geng Huang Qin Huang Lian Tang for chest tightness and loose stool. (he would only take pilled forms since powder will be too sticky for his throat.) As for acupuncture treatment, we never used back points since he would have breathing difficulties. Use points to clear lung heat, expel phlegm and supplement spleen. always double up the pillows for better breathing. In the beginning, he would fell into asleep as soon as the needle is inserted. later, he was diagnosed with sleep apnea and was put on a sleeping machine, which greatly improved his energy. Good luck, Vivianne Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: Hello group I have a patient with Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Is there any information available in TCM about this disease? or does anyone have some experience with it? Thanks in advance Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Thanks for the info and help Vivianne, i'am going to try these herbs and in combination with acupuncture. I will let you know how it goes. Best wishes Rick " melhsia " <melhsia Chinese Medicine Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:36:32 PM Re: COPD Hi Rick, In this case, the patient presents -- frequent night urination, cold sensation in the extremities, pale tongue, low back pain, low energy-----all presents kidney yang def. --purple spots, and any chronic conditions always suggest blood stasis formation. --loss stool suggest that spleen is weak also. --phlegm accumulation in the chest. mai wei di huang wan's taste is sweet, my experience is that alcohol users generally doesn't like sweet in flavor, and that you don't want to use Di Huang, Mai Dong which are very sticky in nature and easily cause phlegm accumulation. in Gui Shen Qi Wan, there is also Di Huang, Gui Zhi, etc. have you ever considered Zhen Wu Tang? which has Fu zi to supplement kidney yang, Fu Lin, Bai Zhu for spleen, Shao Yao for moisten and stop pain,and Shen Jiang for awakening Stomach? Best if the patient has dizziness also. this formula is a more balanced formula which does not leave room to dampness accumulation. In stead of Mai Wei Di Huang, I would try think also possibility to use Wen Dan Tang. which is Er cheng Tang plus Zhu Ru, and Zhi Shi for mucus accumulation. I would not worry about possible lung yin def as of this time. Maybe will add some yin supplement formula later on when I see a yin def sign. That is just my opinion though. Good Luck! Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: Thanks melhsia About this patient , he has feeling of cold (especially his hands) lower backpain, frequent urination at night (sometimes he have to go 7 times out of bed for urination) he is low at energy and have stiff muscles. He also suffers once a while from heart palpitations especially in rest. He has dry skin all over his body, and have of course because of the COPD breathing difficulties. He have to clear his throat a couple of times because of the mucus ( colour white and not a large quantity) He has smoked cigarettes from the age around 18 until 63, (and smoked a lot , somewhere around 50-60 cigarettes a day) He also drinks alcohol ( beer) but not much anymore. He stopped smoking now for 2 years. In the past he had also some liver problems. (western diagnosis= enlarged liver) His stools are soft and sometimes watery. Dislike to lay on his back while sleeping His tongue tends to pale and he have at the sides of his tongue some blue/purple spots. the side under his tongue have the same dark colour. The pulse is weak and deep and difficult to feel. I was thinking about Kidney Yang Xu , and because of his dry skin all over his body (and the adding of the dry/hot quality of tobacco) dryness in his lungs. And because of this dryness , that the Lung Yin could also be damaged, although he have no empty-heat signs. Could it be possible that because of the yin xu that the lung fluids become dried and phlegm/mucus is formed? For the Yang Xu he was given jing gui shen Qi wan, and a collegue advices also to give mai wei di huang wan. But i am not so sure of this formula. What do you think? thanks for your time Best wishes Rick " melhsia " <melhsia Chinese Medicine Friday, March 10, 2006 8:52:11 PM Re: COPD Hi Rick, I have treated a patient has COPD and diabetes. you just go with the patterns. he has a pink tongue with greasy yellow tongue coating, cough out yellow to white sputum, he has loose stool with no appetite, his pulse is weak with floating forceful superficial pulse in the middle position. To get rid of phlegm, I used Er Chen Tang. Since he presents both excess and deficiency, I used Ban Xia Xie Xin Tang and Ge Geng Huang Qin Huang Lian Tang for chest tightness and loose stool. (he would only take pilled forms since powder will be too sticky for his throat.) As for acupuncture treatment, we never used back points since he would have breathing difficulties. Use points to clear lung heat, expel phlegm and supplement spleen. always double up the pillows for better breathing. In the beginning, he would fell into asleep as soon as the needle is inserted. later, he was diagnosed with sleep apnea and was put on a sleeping machine, which greatly improved his energy. Good luck, Vivianne Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: Hello group I have a patient with Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Is there any information available in TCM about this disease? or does anyone have some experience with it? Thanks in advance Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 sure thing. another thought for his loose stool, if with chest distention and floating guan pulse, you might want to consider Ban Xia Xie Xin Tang-- which is a combo of def and excess, hot and cold. you can email me offlist. good luck! vivianne Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: Thanks for the info and help Vivianne, i'am going to try these herbs and in combination with acupuncture. I will let you know how it goes. Best wishes Rick " melhsia " <melhsia Chinese Medicine Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:36:32 PM Re: COPD Hi Rick, In this case, the patient presents -- frequent night urination, cold sensation in the extremities, pale tongue, low back pain, low energy-----all presents kidney yang def. --purple spots, and any chronic conditions always suggest blood stasis formation. --loss stool suggest that spleen is weak also. --phlegm accumulation in the chest. mai wei di huang wan's taste is sweet, my experience is that alcohol users generally doesn't like sweet in flavor, and that you don't want to use Di Huang, Mai Dong which are very sticky in nature and easily cause phlegm accumulation. in Gui Shen Qi Wan, there is also Di Huang, Gui Zhi, etc. have you ever considered Zhen Wu Tang? which has Fu zi to supplement kidney yang, Fu Lin, Bai Zhu for spleen, Shao Yao for moisten and stop pain,and Shen Jiang for awakening Stomach? Best if the patient has dizziness also. this formula is a more balanced formula which does not leave room to dampness accumulation. In stead of Mai Wei Di Huang, I would try think also possibility to use Wen Dan Tang. which is Er cheng Tang plus Zhu Ru, and Zhi Shi for mucus accumulation. I would not worry about possible lung yin def as of this time. Maybe will add some yin supplement formula later on when I see a yin def sign. That is just my opinion though. Good Luck! Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: Thanks melhsia About this patient , he has feeling of cold (especially his hands) lower backpain, frequent urination at night (sometimes he have to go 7 times out of bed for urination) he is low at energy and have stiff muscles. He also suffers once a while from heart palpitations especially in rest. He has dry skin all over his body, and have of course because of the COPD breathing difficulties. He have to clear his throat a couple of times because of the mucus ( colour white and not a large quantity) He has smoked cigarettes from the age around 18 until 63, (and smoked a lot , somewhere around 50-60 cigarettes a day) He also drinks alcohol ( beer) but not much anymore. He stopped smoking now for 2 years. In the past he had also some liver problems. (western diagnosis= enlarged liver) His stools are soft and sometimes watery. Dislike to lay on his back while sleeping His tongue tends to pale and he have at the sides of his tongue some blue/purple spots. the side under his tongue have the same dark colour. The pulse is weak and deep and difficult to feel. I was thinking about Kidney Yang Xu , and because of his dry skin all over his body (and the adding of the dry/hot quality of tobacco) dryness in his lungs. And because of this dryness , that the Lung Yin could also be damaged, although he have no empty-heat signs. Could it be possible that because of the yin xu that the lung fluids become dried and phlegm/mucus is formed? For the Yang Xu he was given jing gui shen Qi wan, and a collegue advices also to give mai wei di huang wan. But i am not so sure of this formula. What do you think? thanks for your time Best wishes Rick " melhsia " <melhsia Chinese Medicine Friday, March 10, 2006 8:52:11 PM Re: COPD Hi Rick, I have treated a patient has COPD and diabetes. you just go with the patterns. he has a pink tongue with greasy yellow tongue coating, cough out yellow to white sputum, he has loose stool with no appetite, his pulse is weak with floating forceful superficial pulse in the middle position. To get rid of phlegm, I used Er Chen Tang. Since he presents both excess and deficiency, I used Ban Xia Xie Xin Tang and Ge Geng Huang Qin Huang Lian Tang for chest tightness and loose stool. (he would only take pilled forms since powder will be too sticky for his throat.) As for acupuncture treatment, we never used back points since he would have breathing difficulties. Use points to clear lung heat, expel phlegm and supplement spleen. always double up the pillows for better breathing. In the beginning, he would fell into asleep as soon as the needle is inserted. later, he was diagnosed with sleep apnea and was put on a sleeping machine, which greatly improved his energy. Good luck, Vivianne Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: Hello group I have a patient with Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Is there any information available in TCM about this disease? or does anyone have some experience with it? Thanks in advance Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Morning, I mornaly only read emails , but now I have a problem , I was told I have a form of copd and I have been looking all over the net and keep coming up with the same words, I know there's more infomation out there ...Can anyone give me a direction ... Thanks so much Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Hello Ann, Don't let the doctors scare you. The words used " A form of COPD " could mean that it is quite likely reversible. Let me ask you a couple of questions first. Do you smoke? Have you ever smoked? Are you overweight? Do you feel any discomfort in breathing when walking, exercise, doing housework, etc. I am going to compile for you an entire regimen for COPD and it may take me a little bit, but I will give it the highest priority. However, for COPD what I would immediately do is start on Tony's Oleander protocol. In case there should be any growths in the lungs, say fibroid tumors, obstructing your breathing, Oleander is a wonderful preventative. And if there should be no fibroid tumors, Oleander will only enhance your health. The reason I bring this up, because at the very end of my mother's life I found that she had been suffering from fibroid tumors for four years and had been given a diagnosis of COPD. I have also run into people with the diagnosis of COPD who have discovered that they too have fibroid tumors. This is not meant to scare you. I am just being very careful and this is to merely make you aware. So, when I hear this diagnosis, I cover all the bases. I am in good health and take oleander as a preventative. In fact, it is time for me to make another batch. You will find the recipe for Oleander in the " Files " section to the left. Read the article and the instructions carefully and we are all here to help you should you have any questions. I will have the information for you by no later than tomorrow. Hugs, oleander soup , " Ann Hart " <ann.hart wrote: > > Morning, I mornaly only read emails , but now I have a problem , I was > told I have a form of copd and I have been looking all over the net and > keep coming up with the same words, I know there's more infomation out > there ...Can anyone give me a direction ... Thanks so much Ann > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Hello Ann, As I said before, the first thing I recommend is taking the oleander soup. One concern would be should there be fibroid tumors in the lungs. The next reason is to boost your immune system. Oleander Soup is wonderful. Now, if you smoke, you must stop immediately. This is of the highest priority with anybody with a diagnosis of COPD. Diet is very important. If you are overweight, I do recommend losing the weight, as that excess weight presses on your lungs and makes breathing more difficult. I would recommend eating mostly raw vegetables, plenty of fruit, a little bit of meat, chicken, turkey, also fish, but not farmed fish, nuts. Actually make eating common sense and in small portions. You can eat, say, several meals a day in smaller portions. There is no need to go hungry. First thing to keep in mind is to drink plenty of water. This thins out the mucus. However, if you should have congestive heart failure please have your health care provider advise you as to large intake of fluids. When you feel like clearing your throat, sip some water to clear the mucus. Avoid dairy products, caffeine and alcohol. These are big mucus and phlegm promotoers. Milk is the absolute worse. Supplements: An above standard Women's vitamin and mineral supplement. amino acid N-acetyl cysteine (NAC)-This is an antioxidant. It protects the tissue in the lungs and breaks down excess mucus. Take 200 mg twice a day. Vitamin C also breaks down excess mucus. This is also an antioxidant. beta carotene and vitamin E - antioxidants. Breaks down free radicals. A person with COPD has a lot of free radicals in their bodies. Fish oil Flaxseed oil carnatine CoQ10 mullein - has expectorant properties. Other helpful herb are: elecampane, lobelia yerba santa, wild cherry bark, horehound, and gum weed, spice items like anise. Eucalyptus Tea is very soothing. Supplements that I would highly recommend that you can get from Utopia Silver are: Female Basic - a women's vitamin and mineral supplement CoQ10 - This is a substance produced by the body that aids in metabolism. Cell Forté® with IP-6 and inositol - provides exceptional support for the immune system. Clear Lungs - Repairs the tissues in the lungs and helps in the metabolic process. Oxy-Gen - oxygen is a great healer. Let me give you the page link where you will be able to find these supplements easily. /TBYILSupplements.htm I have had people try supplements for a short period of time to tell me that they do not work and dismiss them. Give this regimen six months and then see how you feel. If I can be of any further service to you, please don't hesitate to ask. For a quick response, you can email me at luellamay128 Hugs, oleander soup , " May" <luellamay129 wrote:>> Hello Ann,> > Don't let the doctors scare you. The words used "A form of COPD" > could mean that it is quite likely reversible. Let me ask you a > couple of questions first. Do you smoke? Have you ever smoked? Are > you overweight? Do you feel any discomfort in breathing when walking, > exercise, doing housework, etc.> > I am going to compile for you an entire regimen for COPD and it may > take me a little bit, but I will give it the highest priority.> > However, for COPD what I would immediately do is start on Tony's > Oleander protocol. In case there should be any growths in the lungs, > say fibroid tumors, obstructing your breathing, Oleander is a > wonderful preventative. And if there should be no fibroid tumors, > Oleander will only enhance your health. The reason I bring this up, > because at the very end of my mother's life I found that she had been > suffering from fibroid tumors for four years and had been given a > diagnosis of COPD. I have also run into people with the diagnosis of > COPD who have discovered that they too have fibroid tumors. This is > not meant to scare you. I am just being very careful and this is to > merely make you aware. So, when I hear this diagnosis, I cover all > the bases. I am in good health and take oleander as a preventative. > In fact, it is time for me to make another batch. > > You will find the recipe for Oleander in the "Files" section to the > left. Read the article and the instructions carefully and we are all > here to help you should you have any questions.> > I will have the information for you by no later than tomorrow.> > Hugs,> > > oleander soup , "Ann Hart" ann.hart@ wrote:> >> > Morning, I mornaly only read emails , but now I have a problem , I > was > > told I have a form of copd and I have been looking all over the net > and > > keep coming up with the same words, I know there's more infomation > out > > there ...Can anyone give me a direction ... Thanks so much Ann> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 and Tony, I've been reading about COPD, and agree that smoking and chemicals we breath are the most likely cause. I've never read about Anvirzel, or OS being used as an inhalant, for COPD, but why not? I use it for sore throats as a gargle, and get fast relief. I use OS diluted in a throat spray bottle also, with good relief, almost instantly. I wonder if you can by a refillable inhaler which would allow a diluted OS mix to be inhaled? We inhale everything else in the environment, so why not water and OS? This is worth investigating further. It would allow the OS to act directly on the lung lining, where it would be absorbed into abnormal tissue formations. Ed oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > > Hello Ann, > > As I said before, the first thing I recommend is taking the oleander > soup. One concern would be should there be fibroid tumors in the lungs. > The next reason is to boost your immune system. Oleander Soup is > wonderful. > > Now, if you smoke, you must stop immediately. This is of the highest > priority with anybody with a diagnosis of COPD. > > Diet is very important. If you are overweight, I do recommend losing > the weight, as that excess weight presses on your lungs and makes > breathing more difficult. I would recommend eating mostly raw > vegetables, plenty of fruit, a little bit of meat, chicken, turkey, also > fish, but not farmed fish, nuts. Actually make eating common sense and > in small portions. You can eat, say, several meals a day in smaller > portions. There is no need to go hungry. > > First thing to keep in mind is to drink plenty of water. This thins out > the mucus. However, if you should have congestive heart failure please > have your health care provider advise you as to large intake of fluids. > When you feel like clearing your throat, sip some water to clear the > mucus. > > Avoid dairy products, caffeine and alcohol. These are big mucus and > phlegm promotoers. Milk is the absolute worse. > > Supplements: > > An above standard Women's vitamin and mineral supplement. > > amino acid N-acetyl cysteine (NAC)-This is an antioxidant. It protects > the tissue in the lungs and breaks down excess mucus. Take 200 mg twice > a day. > > Vitamin C also breaks down excess mucus. This is also an antioxidant. > > beta carotene and vitamin E - antioxidants. Breaks down free radicals. > A person with COPD has a lot of free radicals in their bodies. > > Fish oil > > Flaxseed oil > > carnatine > > CoQ10 > > mullein - has expectorant properties. > > Other helpful herb are: elecampane, lobelia yerba santa, wild cherry > bark, horehound, and gum weed, spice items like anise. Eucalyptus Tea > is very soothing. > > Supplements that I would highly recommend that you can get from Utopia > Silver are: > > Female Basic - a women's vitamin and mineral supplement > > CoQ10 - This is a substance produced by the body that aids in > metabolism. > > Cell Forté® with IP-6 and inositol - provides exceptional support > for the immune system. > > Clear Lungs - Repairs the tissues in the lungs and helps in the > metabolic process. > > Oxy-Gen - oxygen is a great healer. > > Let me give you the page link where you will be able to find these > supplements easily. > > /TBYILSupplements.htm > </TBYILSupplements.htm> > > I have had people try supplements for a short period of time to tell me > that they do not work and dismiss them. Give this regimen six months > and then see how you feel. > > If I can be of any further service to you, please don't hesitate to ask. > For a quick response, you can email me at luellamay128 > > Hugs, > > > > oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@> > wrote: > > > > Hello Ann, > > > > Don't let the doctors scare you. The words used " A form of COPD " > > could mean that it is quite likely reversible. Let me ask you a > > couple of questions first. Do you smoke? Have you ever smoked? Are > > you overweight? Do you feel any discomfort in breathing when walking, > > exercise, doing housework, etc. > > > > I am going to compile for you an entire regimen for COPD and it may > > take me a little bit, but I will give it the highest priority. > > > > However, for COPD what I would immediately do is start on Tony's > > Oleander protocol. In case there should be any growths in the lungs, > > say fibroid tumors, obstructing your breathing, Oleander is a > > wonderful preventative. And if there should be no fibroid tumors, > > Oleander will only enhance your health. The reason I bring this up, > > because at the very end of my mother's life I found that she had been > > suffering from fibroid tumors for four years and had been given a > > diagnosis of COPD. I have also run into people with the diagnosis of > > COPD who have discovered that they too have fibroid tumors. This is > > not meant to scare you. I am just being very careful and this is to > > merely make you aware. So, when I hear this diagnosis, I cover all > > the bases. I am in good health and take oleander as a preventative. > > In fact, it is time for me to make another batch. > > > > You will find the recipe for Oleander in the " Files " section to the > > left. Read the article and the instructions carefully and we are all > > here to help you should you have any questions. > > > > I will have the information for you by no later than tomorrow. > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > oleander soup , " Ann Hart " ann.hart@ wrote: > > > > > > Morning, I mornaly only read emails , but now I have a problem , I > > was > > > told I have a form of copd and I have been looking all over the net > > and > > > keep coming up with the same words, I know there's more infomation > > out > > > there ...Can anyone give me a direction ... Thanks so much Ann > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Hi Ed, You have a very interesting idea there. Although I was suggesting she take Oleander orally for its immune building and tumor fighting properties. From the people I have met, fibroid tumors seem to be common with people who have COPD. oleander soup , " ed4soup " <ed4636 wrote: > > and Tony, I've been reading about COPD, and agree that smoking > and chemicals we breath are the most likely cause. I've never read > about Anvirzel, or OS being used as an inhalant, for COPD, but why > not? I use it for sore throats as a gargle, and get fast relief. I > use OS diluted in a throat spray bottle also, with good relief, almost > instantly. I wonder if you can by a refillable inhaler which would > allow a diluted OS mix to be inhaled? We inhale everything else in the > environment, so why not water and OS? This is worth investigating > further. It would allow the OS to act directly on the lung lining, > where it would be absorbed into abnormal tissue formations. Ed > > > > > oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@> > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Ann, > > > > As I said before, the first thing I recommend is taking the oleander > > soup. One concern would be should there be fibroid tumors in the lungs. > > The next reason is to boost your immune system. Oleander Soup is > > wonderful. > > > > Now, if you smoke, you must stop immediately. This is of the highest > > priority with anybody with a diagnosis of COPD. > > > > Diet is very important. If you are overweight, I do recommend losing > > the weight, as that excess weight presses on your lungs and makes > > breathing more difficult. I would recommend eating mostly raw > > vegetables, plenty of fruit, a little bit of meat, chicken, turkey, also > > fish, but not farmed fish, nuts. Actually make eating common sense and > > in small portions. You can eat, say, several meals a day in smaller > > portions. There is no need to go hungry. > > > > First thing to keep in mind is to drink plenty of water. This thins out > > the mucus. However, if you should have congestive heart failure please > > have your health care provider advise you as to large intake of fluids. > > When you feel like clearing your throat, sip some water to clear the > > mucus. > > > > Avoid dairy products, caffeine and alcohol. These are big mucus and > > phlegm promotoers. Milk is the absolute worse. > > > > Supplements: > > > > An above standard Women's vitamin and mineral supplement. > > > > amino acid N-acetyl cysteine (NAC)-This is an antioxidant. It protects > > the tissue in the lungs and breaks down excess mucus. Take 200 mg twice > > a day. > > > > Vitamin C also breaks down excess mucus. This is also an antioxidant. > > > > beta carotene and vitamin E - antioxidants. Breaks down free radicals. > > A person with COPD has a lot of free radicals in their bodies. > > > > Fish oil > > > > Flaxseed oil > > > > carnatine > > > > CoQ10 > > > > mullein - has expectorant properties. > > > > Other helpful herb are: elecampane, lobelia yerba santa, wild cherry > > bark, horehound, and gum weed, spice items like anise. Eucalyptus Tea > > is very soothing. > > > > Supplements that I would highly recommend that you can get from Utopia > > Silver are: > > > > Female Basic - a women's vitamin and mineral supplement > > > > CoQ10 - This is a substance produced by the body that aids in > > metabolism. > > > > Cell Forté® with IP-6 and inositol - provides exceptional support > > for the immune system. > > > > Clear Lungs - Repairs the tissues in the lungs and helps in the > > metabolic process. > > > > Oxy-Gen - oxygen is a great healer. > > > > Let me give you the page link where you will be able to find these > > supplements easily. > > > > /TBYILSupplements.htm > > </TBYILSupplements.htm> > > > > I have had people try supplements for a short period of time to tell me > > that they do not work and dismiss them. Give this regimen six months > > and then see how you feel. > > > > If I can be of any further service to you, please don't hesitate to ask. > > For a quick response, you can email me at luellamay128@ > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Ann, > > > > > > Don't let the doctors scare you. The words used " A form of COPD " > > > could mean that it is quite likely reversible. Let me ask you a > > > couple of questions first. Do you smoke? Have you ever smoked? Are > > > you overweight? Do you feel any discomfort in breathing when walking, > > > exercise, doing housework, etc. > > > > > > I am going to compile for you an entire regimen for COPD and it may > > > take me a little bit, but I will give it the highest priority. > > > > > > However, for COPD what I would immediately do is start on Tony's > > > Oleander protocol. In case there should be any growths in the lungs, > > > say fibroid tumors, obstructing your breathing, Oleander is a > > > wonderful preventative. And if there should be no fibroid tumors, > > > Oleander will only enhance your health. The reason I bring this up, > > > because at the very end of my mother's life I found that she had been > > > suffering from fibroid tumors for four years and had been given a > > > diagnosis of COPD. I have also run into people with the diagnosis of > > > COPD who have discovered that they too have fibroid tumors. This is > > > not meant to scare you. I am just being very careful and this is to > > > merely make you aware. So, when I hear this diagnosis, I cover all > > > the bases. I am in good health and take oleander as a preventative. > > > In fact, it is time for me to make another batch. > > > > > > You will find the recipe for Oleander in the " Files " section to the > > > left. Read the article and the instructions carefully and we are all > > > here to help you should you have any questions. > > > > > > I will have the information for you by no later than tomorrow. > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Ann Hart " ann.hart@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Morning, I mornaly only read emails , but now I have a problem , I > > > was > > > > told I have a form of copd and I have been looking all over the net > > > and > > > > keep coming up with the same words, I know there's more infomation > > > out > > > > there ...Can anyone give me a direction ... Thanks so much Ann > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Try using a container that had nose spray in it. With a bit of effort you can dislodge the top of the container and fill it with saline, colloidal silver, OS, or whatever your fancy. This is the best, cheap mister I have found.Dr. Goebeled4soup <ed4636 wrote: and Tony, I've been reading about COPD, and agree that smoking and chemicals we breath are the most likely cause. I've never read about Anvirzel, or OS being used as an inhalant, for COPD, but why not? I use it for sore throats as a gargle, and get fast relief. I use OS diluted in a throat spray bottle also, with good relief, almost instantly. I wonder if you can by a refillable inhaler which would allow a diluted OS mix to be inhaled? We inhale everything else in the environment, so why not water and OS? This is worth investigating further. It would allow the OS to act directly on the lung lining, where it would be absorbed into abnormal tissue formations. Ed oleander soup , " May" <luellamay129 wrote: > > > Hello Ann, > > As I said before, the first thing I recommend is taking the oleander > soup. One concern would be should there be fibroid tumors in the lungs. > The next reason is to boost your immune system. Oleander Soup is > wonderful. > > Now, if you smoke, you must stop immediately. This is of the highest > priority with anybody with a diagnosis of COPD. > > Diet is very important. If you are overweight, I do recommend losing > the weight, as that excess weight presses on your lungs and makes > breathing more difficult. I would recommend eating mostly raw > vegetables, plenty of fruit, a little bit of meat, chicken, turkey, also > fish, but not farmed fish, nuts. Actually make eating common sense and > in small portions. You can eat, say, several meals a day in smaller > portions. There is no need to go hungry. > > First thing to keep in mind is to drink plenty of water. This thins out > the mucus. However, if you should have congestive heart failure please > have your health care provider advise you as to large intake of fluids. > When you feel like clearing your throat, sip some water to clear the > mucus. > > Avoid dairy products, caffeine and alcohol. These are big mucus and > phlegm promotoers. Milk is the absolute worse. > > Supplements: > > An above standard Women's vitamin and mineral supplement. > > amino acid N-acetyl cysteine (NAC)-This is an antioxidant. It protects > the tissue in the lungs and breaks down excess mucus. Take 200 mg twice > a day. > > Vitamin C also breaks down excess mucus. This is also an antioxidant. > > beta carotene and vitamin E - antioxidants. Breaks down free radicals. > A person with COPD has a lot of free radicals in their bodies. > > Fish oil > > Flaxseed oil > > carnatine > > CoQ10 > > mullein - has expectorant properties. > > Other helpful herb are: elecampane, lobelia yerba santa, wild cherry > bark, horehound, and gum weed, spice items like anise. Eucalyptus Tea > is very soothing. > > Supplements that I would highly recommend that you can get from Utopia > Silver are: > > Female Basic - a women's vitamin and mineral supplement > > CoQ10 - This is a substance produced by the body that aids in > metabolism. > > Cell Forté® with IP-6 and inositol - provides exceptional support > for the immune system. > > Clear Lungs - Repairs the tissues in the lungs and helps in the > metabolic process. > > Oxy-Gen - oxygen is a great healer. > > Let me give you the page link where you will be able to find these > supplements easily. > > /TBYILSupplements.htm > </TBYILSupplements.htm> > > I have had people try supplements for a short period of time to tell me > that they do not work and dismiss them. Give this regimen six months > and then see how you feel. > > If I can be of any further service to you, please don't hesitate to ask. > For a quick response, you can email me at luellamay128 > > Hugs, > > > > oleander soup , " May" <luellamay129@> > wrote: > > > > Hello Ann, > > > > Don't let the doctors scare you. The words used "A form of COPD" > > could mean that it is quite likely reversible. Let me ask you a > > couple of questions first. Do you smoke? Have you ever smoked? Are > > you overweight? Do you feel any discomfort in breathing when walking, > > exercise, doing housework, etc. > > > > I am going to compile for you an entire regimen for COPD and it may > > take me a little bit, but I will give it the highest priority. > > > > However, for COPD what I would immediately do is start on Tony's > > Oleander protocol. In case there should be any growths in the lungs, > > say fibroid tumors, obstructing your breathing, Oleander is a > > wonderful preventative. And if there should be no fibroid tumors, > > Oleander will only enhance your health. The reason I bring this up, > > because at the very end of my mother's life I found that she had been > > suffering from fibroid tumors for four years and had been given a > > diagnosis of COPD. I have also run into people with the diagnosis of > > COPD who have discovered that they too have fibroid tumors. This is > > not meant to scare you. I am just being very careful and this is to > > merely make you aware. So, when I hear this diagnosis, I cover all > > the bases. I am in good health and take oleander as a preventative. > > In fact, it is time for me to make another batch. > > > > You will find the recipe for Oleander in the "Files" section to the > > left. Read the article and the instructions carefully and we are all > > here to help you should you have any questions. > > > > I will have the information for you by no later than tomorrow. > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > oleander soup , "Ann Hart" ann.hart@ wrote: > > > > > > Morning, I mornaly only read emails , but now I have a problem , I > > was > > > told I have a form of copd and I have been looking all over the net > > and > > > keep coming up with the same words, I know there's more infomation > > out > > > there ...Can anyone give me a direction ... Thanks so much Ann > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I would like to thank everyone , who has given me ideas ... I will be checking all this out farther .... Thanks again AnnMichael Goebel <goebelchx wrote: Try using a container that had nose spray in it. With a bit of effort you can dislodge the top of the container and fill it with saline, colloidal silver, OS, or whatever your fancy. This is the best, cheap mister I have found.Dr. Goebeled4soup <ed4636 > wrote: and Tony, I've been reading about COPD, and agree that smokingand chemicals we breath are the most likely cause. I've never readabout Anvirzel, or OS being used as an inhalant, for COPD, but whynot? I use it for sore throats as a gargle, and get fast relief. Iuse OS diluted in a throat spray bottle also, with good relief, almostinstantly. I wonder if you can by a refillable inhaler which wouldallow a diluted OS mix to be inhaled? We inhale everything else in theenvironment, so why not water and OS? This is worth investigatingfurther. It would allow the OS to act directly on the lung lining,where it would be absorbed into abnormal tissue formations. Edoleander soup , " May" <luellamay129wrote:>> > Hello Ann,> > As I said before, the first thing I recommend is taking the oleander> soup. One concern would be should there be fibroid tumors in the lungs.> The next reason is to boost your immune system. Oleander Soup is> wonderful.> > Now, if you smoke, you must stop immediately. This is of the highest> priority with anybody with a diagnosis of COPD.> > Diet is very important. If you are overweight, I do recommend losing> the weight, as that excess weight presses on your lungs and makes> breathing more difficult. I would recommend eating mostly raw> vegetables, plenty of fruit, a little bit of meat, chicken, turkey, also> fish, but not farmed fish, nuts. Actually make eating common sense and> in small portions. You can eat, say, several meals a day in smaller> portions. There is no need to go hungry.> > First thing to keep in mind is to drink plenty of water. This thins out> the mucus. However, if you should have congestive heart failure please> have your health care provider advise you as to large intake of fluids. > When you feel like clearing your throat, sip some water to clear the> mucus.> > Avoid dairy products, caffeine and alcohol. These are big mucus and> phlegm promotoers. Milk is the absolute worse.> > Supplements:> > An above standard Women's vitamin and mineral supplement.> > amino acid N-acetyl cysteine (NAC)-This is an antioxidant. It protects> the tissue in the lungs and breaks down excess mucus. Take 200 mg twice> a day.> > Vitamin C also breaks down excess mucus. This is also an antioxidant.> > beta carotene and vitamin E - antioxidants. Breaks down free radicals. > A person with COPD has a lot of free radicals in their bodies.> > Fish oil> > Flaxseed oil> > carnatine> > CoQ10> > mullein - has expectorant properties.> > Other helpful herb are: elecampane, lobelia yerba santa, wild cherry> bark, horehound, and gum weed, spice items like anise. Eucalyptus Tea> is very soothing.> > Supplements that I would highly recommend that you can get from Utopia> Silver are:> > Female Basic - a women's vitamin and mineral supplement> > CoQ10 - This is a substance produced by the body that aids in> metabolism.> > Cell Forté® with IP-6 and inositol - provides exceptional support> for the immune system.> > Clear Lungs - Repairs the tissues in the lungs and helps in the> metabolic process.> > Oxy-Gen - oxygen is a great healer.> > Let me give you the page link where you will be able to find these> supplements easily.> > /TBYILSupplements.htm> </TBYILSupplements.htm>> > I have had people try supplements for a short period of time to tell me> that they do not work and dismiss them. Give this regimen six months> and then see how you feel.> > If I can be of any further service to you, please don't hesitate to ask.> For a quick response, you can email me at luellamay128 > Hugs,> > > > oleander soup , " May" <luellamay129@>> wrote:> >> > Hello Ann,> >> > Don't let the doctors scare you. The words used "A form of COPD"> > could mean that it is quite likely reversible. Let me ask you a> > couple of questions first. Do you smoke? Have you ever smoked? Are> > you overweight? Do you feel any discomfort in breathing when walking,> > exercise, doing housework, etc.> >> > I am going to compile for you an entire regimen for COPD and it may> > take me a little bit, but I will give it the highest priority.> >> > However, for COPD what I would immediately do is start on Tony's> > Oleander protocol. In case there should be any growths in the lungs,> > say fibroid tumors, obstructing your breathing, Oleander is a> > wonderful preventative. And if there should be no fibroid tumors,> > Oleander will only enhance your health. The reason I bring this up,> > because at the very end of my mother's life I found that she had been> > suffering from fibroid tumors for four years and had been given a> > diagnosis of COPD. I have also run into people with the diagnosis of> > COPD who have discovered that they too have fibroid tumors. This is> > not meant to scare you. I am just being very careful and this is to> > merely make you aware. So, when I hear this diagnosis, I cover all> > the bases. I am in good health and take oleander as a preventative.> > In fact, it is time for me to make another batch.> >> > You will find the recipe for Oleander in the "Files" section to the> > left. Read the article and the instructions carefully and we are all> > here to help you should you have any questions.> >> > I will have the information for you by no later than tomorrow.> >> > Hugs,> > > >> > oleander soup , "Ann Hart" ann.hart@ wrote:> > >> > > Morning, I mornaly only read emails , but now I have a problem , I> > was> > > told I have a form of copd and I have been looking all over the net> > and> > > keep coming up with the same words, I know there's more infomation> > out> > > there ...Can anyone give me a direction ... Thanks so much Ann> > >> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Just me Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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