Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Tony and anyone who has information, This is a follow-up from the man that is making OS out in California. He has made the OS and took two doses on Wednesday (yesterday). He called me last night and said he was feeling very tired all day. I asked him to check his pulse. It was 34!!! This is not normal. Normal for the guy is 65-70 beats per minute. I have seen it posted that the OS can have digoxin like effects. I asked the guy how much he took he said 1 tbsp. in the morning and evening. He was following the directions from this link. http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy3.htm#Oleander. They should change their instructions to the tapering dose instructions. He followed the recipe very carefully and even had someone else double check everything. He is going to take one day off and then start on Friday taking 1 tsp. 1 x per day x 1 wk; then 1 tsp. 2 x per day x 1 wk.; then 2 tsp. 2 x per day with that being as high as he is going to go. Tony, do you think this is o.k. or do you think he should just stop. Have you seen this before? I appreciate any and all comments, Jeff > Hello all, > > I have an urgent question. I have a elderly friend in California who > is making OS for prostate CA. He does not have and cannot find an > enamel coated pot. All he has is Stainless Steal. Will this be o.k. > to use? > > I appreciate your input. > > Update on Mary Ann soon. > > Blessings to you all, > > Jeff > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Does this elderly guy have a heart or blood pressure condition? Anyone with a heart condition or on medications for blood pressure problems should either not use oleander or be very careful and first consult a professional caregiver. If it were me, I would stop and see if my blood pressure normalized for a day or two at least. Then perhaps I might begin again - but with 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon, as my instructions specify. Only if there were no appreciable changes would I very gradually increase the dosage by 1/4 teaspoon at a time. NO ONE should jump right in with a full tablespoon at a time! Last I heard, David's computers were down - but you are right, the information there needs to be changed. oleander soup , " jeffery.jack " <jeffery.jack wrote: > > Tony and anyone who has information, > > This is a follow-up from the man that is making OS out in California. > He has made the OS and took two doses on Wednesday (yesterday). He > called me last night and said he was feeling very tired all day. I > asked him to check his pulse. It was 34!!! This is not normal. > Normal for the guy is 65-70 beats per minute. I have seen it posted > that the OS can have digoxin like effects. I asked the guy how much > he took he said 1 tbsp. in the morning and evening. He was following > the directions from this link. > http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy3.htm#Oleander. They > should change their instructions to the tapering dose instructions. > He followed the recipe very carefully and even had someone else double > check everything. He is going to take one day off and then start on > Friday taking 1 tsp. 1 x per day x 1 wk; then 1 tsp. 2 x per day x 1 > wk.; then 2 tsp. 2 x per day with that being as high as he is going to > go. Tony, do you think this is o.k. or do you think he should just > stop. Have you seen this before? > > I appreciate any and all comments, > > Jeff > > > Hello all, > > > > I have an urgent question. I have a elderly friend in California who > > is making OS for prostate CA. He does not have and cannot find an > > enamel coated pot. All he has is Stainless Steal. Will this be o.k. > > to use? > > > > I appreciate your input. > > > > Update on Mary Ann soon. > > > > Blessings to you all, > > > > Jeff > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Tony,Thanks for the reply. No he does not have any heart problems and takes no medications for the heart. Does take diabetic medication called actos+met. which is actually a hypoglycemic and metformen (cholesterol reducing medication). This is it. I appreciate you input. He will as well. If he has any question, I will direct him to his caregiver. Blessings,JeffTony wrote: Does this elderly guy have a heart or blood pressure condition? Anyone with a heart condition or on medications for blood pressure problems should either not use oleander or be very careful and first consult a professional caregiver. If it were me, I would stop and see if my blood pressure normalized for a day or two at least. Then perhaps I might begin again - but with 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon, as my instructions specify. Only if there were no appreciable changes would I very gradually increase the dosage by 1/4 teaspoon at a time. NO ONE should jump right in with a full tablespoon at a time! Last I heard, David's computers were down - but you are right, the information there needs to be changed. Tony oleander soup , "jeffery.jack" <jeffery.jack wrote: > > Tony and anyone who has information, > > This is a follow-up from the man that is making OS out in California. > He has made the OS and took two doses on Wednesday (yesterday). He > called me last night and said he was feeling very tired all day. I > asked him to check his pulse. It was 34!!! This is not normal. > Normal for the guy is 65-70 beats per minute. I have seen it posted > that the OS can have digoxin like effects. I asked the guy how much > he took he said 1 tbsp. in the morning and evening. He was following > the directions from this link. > http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy3.htm#Oleander. They > should change their instructions to the tapering dose instructions. > He followed the recipe very carefully and even had someone else double > check everything. He is going to take one day off and then start on > Friday taking 1 tsp. 1 x per day x 1 wk; then 1 tsp. 2 x per day x 1 > wk.; then 2 tsp. 2 x per day with that being as high as he is going to > go. Tony, do you think this is o.k. or do you think he should just > stop. Have you seen this before? > > I appreciate any and all comments, > > Jeff > > > Hello all, > > > > I have an urgent question. I have a elderly friend in California who > > is making OS for prostate CA. He does not have and cannot find an > > enamel coated pot. All he has is Stainless Steal. Will this be o.k. > > to use? > > > > I appreciate your input. > > > > Update on Mary Ann soon. > > > > Blessings to you all, > > > > Jeff > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Pam here from NZ.when I started 4 yrs ago I just raced right in taking big gulp 3xdaily,would have been more than 1tblespoon ,but I was determined to kill the invader! for a short while I had a racing heart and almost delierious state of mind in sleep and coming out of sleep....sort of lurid dreaming.And felt almost feverish.I also had loose bowels.......But I always overdo things!All symptoms were gone after 2 weeks and my body adjusted quickly to the new regime.I realized that oleander has oleandrin similar to digitoxin but felt my body could handle it and in fact the symptoms may have helped blast out the enemy so to speak.I took religeosly for 2 years then mainlt due to the taste(and the vodka) ...stopped. I am just restarting again but cutting %50x%50 with collodial silver....I havnt had heart racing this time but the other end is still being affected initially even tho I filtered well......Pam - jeffery.jack oleander soup Friday, October 12, 2007 5:32 AM Another Urgent Question Tony and anyone who has information,This is a follow-up from the man that is making OS out in California.He has made the OS and took two doses on Wednesday (yesterday). Hecalled me last night and said he was feeling very tired all day. Iasked him to check his pulse. It was 34!!! This is not normal. Normal for the guy is 65-70 beats per minute. I have seen it postedthat the OS can have digoxin like effects. I asked the guy how muchhe took he said 1 tbsp. in the morning and evening. He was followingthe directions from this link. http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy3.htm#Oleander. Theyshould change their instructions to the tapering dose instructions. He followed the recipe very carefully and even had someone else doublecheck everything. He is going to take one day off and then start onFriday taking 1 tsp. 1 x per day x 1 wk; then 1 tsp. 2 x per day x 1wk.; then 2 tsp. 2 x per day with that being as high as he is going togo. Tony, do you think this is o.k. or do you think he should juststop. Have you seen this before? I appreciate any and all comments,Jeff> Hello all,> > I have an urgent question. I have a elderly friend in California who> is making OS for prostate CA. He does not have and cannot find an> enamel coated pot. All he has is Stainless Steal. Will this be o.k.> to use?> > I appreciate your input.> > Update on Mary Ann soon.> > Blessings to you all,> > Jeff> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.3/1054 - Release 10/6/2007 7:12 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Are you saying you get the poops, Pam? LOL. Thanks for sharing your experience with the newer folks - though I do not recommend folks jumping right in like you and I tend to do. BTW, sometimes larger amounts of colloidal silver can cause loose bowels too. I get that sometimes when I haven't taken any silver for awhile and feel that a bug might be coming on and so glug down a bit of silver. Knocks the bug right out too, but sometimes sends me to " the reading room " . Remember, to beat most of the taste problem, put half the dose under your tongue where there are no taste buds, mix the other half with a small glass of juice like pomegranate. Hold under the tongue for awhile, and then wash down with a gulp of juice. Really dilutes the taste that way. And then finish the juice, which hardly has a hint of any taste other than juice, especially a strong tasting juice like pomegranate or cranberry. oleander soup , " Pam Griffin " <pgriff wrote: > > Pam here from NZ.when I started 4 yrs ago I just raced right in taking big gulp 3xdaily,would have been more than 1tblespoon ,but I was determined to kill the invader! for a short while I had a racing heart and almost delierious state of mind in sleep and coming out of sleep....sort of lurid dreaming.And felt almost feverish.I also had loose bowels.......But I always overdo things!All symptoms were gone after 2 weeks and my body adjusted quickly to the new regime.I realized that oleander has oleandrin similar to digitoxin but felt my body could handle it and in fact the symptoms may have helped blast out the enemy so to speak.I took religeosly for 2 years then mainlt due to the taste(and the vodka) ...stopped. I am just restarting again but cutting %50x%50 with collodial silver....I havnt had heart racing this time but the other end is still being affected initially even tho I filtered well......Pam > - > jeffery.jack > oleander soup > Friday, October 12, 2007 5:32 AM > Another Urgent Question > > > Tony and anyone who has information, > > This is a follow-up from the man that is making OS out in California. > He has made the OS and took two doses on Wednesday (yesterday). He > called me last night and said he was feeling very tired all day. I > asked him to check his pulse. It was 34!!! This is not normal. > Normal for the guy is 65-70 beats per minute. I have seen it posted > that the OS can have digoxin like effects. I asked the guy how much > he took he said 1 tbsp. in the morning and evening. He was following > the directions from this link. > http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy3.htm#Oleander. They > should change their instructions to the tapering dose instructions. > He followed the recipe very carefully and even had someone else double > check everything. He is going to take one day off and then start on > Friday taking 1 tsp. 1 x per day x 1 wk; then 1 tsp. 2 x per day x 1 > wk.; then 2 tsp. 2 x per day with that being as high as he is going to > go. Tony, do you think this is o.k. or do you think he should just > stop. Have you seen this before? > > I appreciate any and all comments, > > Jeff > > > Hello all, > > > > I have an urgent question. I have a elderly friend in California who > > is making OS for prostate CA. He does not have and cannot find an > > enamel coated pot. All he has is Stainless Steal. Will this be o.k. > > to use? > > > > I appreciate your input. > > > > Update on Mary Ann soon. > > > > Blessings to you all, > > > > Jeff > > -- ---------- > > > > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.3/1054 - Release Date: 10/6/2007 7:12 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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