[oleander soup] Keeping it simple and being complete - a fine balance

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Hi tony The dousing I refer to is possibly similar to dousing for water but is based more on psychicabilities,and being able to Identify a persons illness.A friend of mine can also stop internal bleeding with a phone call,sounds far fetched maybe but he can stop it every time. try patenting that,stranger than fiction perhaps. regards David regards DavidTony wrote: Thanks for the input

David. I have not studied dousing, other than toknow that it works for finding water - but perhaps I should look intoit. Certainly oleander and essiac are two items I like (although Ilike essiac primarily for it's cleansing ability and as an item to usein combination with other supplements as opposed to a singlesupplement for cancer). I am not as familiar with wormwood orcellular zeolite, but I will look into them too.There is much to be said for keeping it simple. As you say, and as Ihave often written, too much information can be confusing and too manysupplement items run the risk of including ones which counter-act oneanother or which do too much of the same thing.Even so, I think the list of essentials is a fair sized one. The keyis knowing which ones work well together - a subject of much of mycurrent and future research."vitamin c, a good enzyme product, alpha lipoic acid, spirulina andother

superfoods, vitamin d3, msn, coenzyme q10, apple cider vinegaror baking soda" is a good group indeed, IMO.I would also add iodine, colloidal silver and gold, calcium,magnesium, zinc, potassium, trace minerals, selenium, flaxseed oil andyogurt, bromelain and possibly milk thistle. Perhaps turmeric. Iconsider all of those to be very important. And most of you are awareof my very high regards for inositol/IP6 as well.Between your list and mine, I take everything right now - withouthaving cancer - except wormwood, cellular zeolite, essiac, and msn. Ialso take cats claw, glucosamine/chondroitin, cinnamon, grapeseedextract, and a multi-vitamin. And I make sure to eat plenty of darkgreen vegetables (primarily baby spinach leaves), tomatoes, red grapesseeds and all, pomegranate juice, and lots of other raw vegetables andfruits.I also live as stress free as possible, get plenty of sunshine, someexercise

and drink plenty of good water that is free of fluoride andusually free of chlorine too.That is a big list, I know, (and I probably left something out - lol)but what I take seems to work well together - and makes up for all thefudges I do (which I would not do if I had cancer). If I find that Ihave erred, I will be sure to let everyone know.We have a group of people, as you say, who know a lot about naturalhealth and supplements here - and many members who want to help andshare. As forum mod, it is my job to try to point out the informationI believe might questionable or might not fit in with the things thatI recommend.I appreciate everyone sharing and I think you for adding your valuabletwo cents. More like gold nuggets, I would say.Live long, live healthy, live happy!Tony Isaacsoleander soup , David phelan

<dmpltd2003 wrote:>> Hi Tony> Just thought I would offer my 2 cents worth,I have been a memberof the group for quite a while now,but have never really contributedas I felt you had covered most of the important stuff better than mostpeople could, and most of this information I had compiled myself overa period of 10 years or so.> The problems I can see now is that too much conflictinginformation is as bad as too little.> I feel the best way to tackle any problem is to keep it as simpleas possible,while I understand that their are certain horses forcertain courses and what works for some doesnt always work for othersit must be very confusing to a lot of people to see the array ofproducts being suggested.> I fully understand that they are offered with the best ofintentions,but I think most people are better keeping it simple andsticking to products that have the best known

successes.> Any person that is a member of this group probably already knowthe basics and importance of certain diets and alkalinity of thebody.Once they have sorted this they are on the first rung of the ladder.> I have come in contact with quite a few people withcancer,including my wife and a good few members of both our families,friends and acquaintances and feel from experience that most cancersare curable if caught in time and if the person has the right frame ofmind to stick to a certain regime.> I can say also from experiences that radio therapy and chemo areuseless in most cases as the cancer mostly tends to return with morevigor.> we have used dousing to Identify cancers in individuals and alsoto Identify the best natural products to defeat it,whether you believein this phenomenon is a matter of choice,but I will list the bestpossible defenders we have identified which you have covered over

theyears.> > (oleander) (wormwood) (cellular zeolite) (essiac)> > These are just some of the products we have doused that are themost effective,but they were doused with particular people inmind,therefore I can not say they are the best for every one.> Which ever of these products a person chooses,combined withvitamin c, a good enzyme product,alpha lipoic acid,spirulina and othersuperfoods,vitamin d3,msn,coenzyme q10,> apple cider vinegar or baking soda they have a very potent mixtureto fight their cancer and most viral illness.> I hope this may be of help to some.> > kind regards> David> > > Tony wrote:> Yes, it really is necessary to condense the liquid way,way down to> use in skin creme. And it takes quite a lot of liquid to condense> down to a syrupy consistency.> > Go too weak and you will

have little hope on the moles.> > Tony > > oleander soup , "boystyle" <boystyle@> wrote:> >> > Another question, lets say I make the soup.. can i take 1/10 of that> > liquid and mix it with aloe cream? I want to remove couple of moles..> > > > and the rest 9/10 of the mixture I will mix with alcohol and> > drink..would that be good or is it really necessary to condense the> > liquid to make the cream? I dont feel like doing it 2 times hehe > > > > oleander soup , "boystyle" <boystyle@> wrote:> > >> > > So you dont think I will have a small plant within a month ortwo that> > > I could make some soup? a few months supply soup? I am in

Canada I> > > dont know where to buy the plant over here, Montreal, Quebec..> > > oleander soup , "Tony" @> wrote:> > > >> > > > Oleander is not a vegetable like a tomato plant or lettucethat you> > > > can plant from seed and harvest much of only months later. I would> > > > say you are looking at a couple of years time to have plantsof any> > > > size, since oleander is a moderately fast grower that will grow> up to> > > > or so a couple of feet per year, depending upon soil, climate,etc.> > > > > > > > Your best bet would be to buy plants in 5 gallon containersfrom an> > > > organic nursery like Rhodes Nursery listed in my book. Buy> enough of> > > > those and

you can harvest some right away and leave enough> growth for> > > > the plants to continue to grow and flourish.> > > > > > > > You will ultimately need some pretty sizable pots to grow> oleander in> > > > containers.> > > > > > > > www.beorganic.com/> > > > > > > > Tony> > > > > > > > oleander soup , "boystyle" <boystyle@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hello,> > > > > > > > > > I just received a pack of 20 today, and I planted 8 of them in> a big> > > > > jar, should it be enough?> > > > > > > > > > Do they grow fast? How long till I could make myself a small> >

soup? > > > > > > > > > > I decided in getting the seeds because I could find an organic> > > > > nursery, and I dont trust walmart or homedepot ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankies> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

You see - I told you I didn't know much about it! I recall having

someone demonstrate how a person could determine if a substance was

good for you or not by holding it next to the body with one hand and

measuring resistance to pressure on the other arm. It seemed to work,

but I was never sure whether or not I was being spoofed somehow.

 

One thing I have learned, and continue to learn, David, is to never

reject almost anything out of hand. Too many times I have been proven

wrong, and my whole journey in researching and learning about

alternative and natural health and therapies has been a series of eye

opening and myth disproving discoveries for me.

 

Too many times people have rejected something as unbelievable that

might have helped them - even saved their life, because of what they

have been told and conditioned to believe. Oleander is a great

example. Some of my own family members and friends are still alive

because of it, yet other family members and friends refuse to believe

it even after seeing the results.

 

Science and medicine still have very little understanding of how the

mind works. Although they have a pretty good handle on brainwashing.

 

Live long, live healthy, live happy!

 

 

oleander soup , david phelan <dmpltd2003 wrote:

>

> Hi tony

> The dousing I refer to is possibly similar to dousing for water

but is based more on psychic

> abilities,and being able to Identify a persons illness.A friend of

mine can also stop internal bleeding with a phone call,sounds far

fetched maybe but he can stop it every time.

> try patenting that,stranger than fiction perhaps.

>

> regards

> David

>

> regards

> David

> Tony wrote:

> Thanks for the input David. I have not studied dousing,

other than to

> know that it works for finding water - but perhaps I should look into

> it. Certainly oleander and essiac are two items I like (although I

> like essiac primarily for it's cleansing ability and as an item to use

> in combination with other supplements as opposed to a single

> supplement for cancer). I am not as familiar with wormwood or

> cellular zeolite, but I will look into them too.

>

> There is much to be said for keeping it simple. As you say, and as I

> have often written, too much information can be confusing and too many

> supplement items run the risk of including ones which counter-act one

> another or which do too much of the same thing.

>

> Even so, I think the list of essentials is a fair sized one. The key

> is knowing which ones work well together - a subject of much of my

> current and future research.

>

> " vitamin c, a good enzyme product, alpha lipoic acid, spirulina and

> other superfoods, vitamin d3, msn, coenzyme q10, apple cider vinegar

> or baking soda " is a good group indeed, IMO.

>

> I would also add iodine, colloidal silver and gold, calcium,

> magnesium, zinc, potassium, trace minerals, selenium, flaxseed oil and

> yogurt, bromelain and possibly milk thistle. Perhaps turmeric. I

> consider all of those to be very important. And most of you are aware

> of my very high regards for inositol/IP6 as well.

>

> Between your list and mine, I take everything right now - without

> having cancer - except wormwood, cellular zeolite, essiac, and msn. I

> also take cats claw, glucosamine/chondroitin, cinnamon, grapeseed

> extract, and a multi-vitamin. And I make sure to eat plenty of dark

> green vegetables (primarily baby spinach leaves), tomatoes, red grapes

> seeds and all, pomegranate juice, and lots of other raw vegetables and

> fruits.

>

> I also live as stress free as possible, get plenty of sunshine, some

> exercise and drink plenty of good water that is free of fluoride and

> usually free of chlorine too.

>

> That is a big list, I know, (and I probably left something out - lol)

> but what I take seems to work well together - and makes up for all the

> fudges I do (which I would not do if I had cancer). If I find that I

> have erred, I will be sure to let everyone know.

>

> We have a group of people, as you say, who know a lot about natural

> health and supplements here - and many members who want to help and

> share. As forum mod, it is my job to try to point out the information

> I believe might questionable or might not fit in with the things that

> I recommend.

>

> I appreciate everyone sharing and I think you for adding your valuable

> two cents. More like gold nuggets, I would say.

>

> Live long, live healthy, live happy!

>

> Tony Isaacs

>

> oleander soup , David phelan <dmpltd2003@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi > > Just thought I would offer my 2 cents worth,I have been a member

> of the group for quite a while now,but have never really contributed

> as I felt you had covered most of the important stuff better than most

> people could, and most of this information I had compiled myself over

> a period of 10 years or so.

> > The problems I can see now is that too much conflicting

> information is as bad as too little.

> > I feel the best way to tackle any problem is to keep it as simple

> as possible,while I understand that their are certain horses for

> certain courses and what works for some doesnt always work for others

> it must be very confusing to a lot of people to see the array of

> products being suggested.

> > I fully understand that they are offered with the best of

> intentions,but I think most people are better keeping it simple and

> sticking to products that have the best known successes.

> > Any person that is a member of this group probably already know

> the basics and importance of certain diets and alkalinity of the

> body.Once they have sorted this they are on the first rung of the

ladder.

> > I have come in contact with quite a few people with

> cancer,including my wife and a good few members of both our families,

> friends and acquaintances and feel from experience that most cancers

> are curable if caught in time and if the person has the right frame of

> mind to stick to a certain regime.

> > I can say also from experiences that radio therapy and chemo are

> useless in most cases as the cancer mostly tends to return with more

> vigor.

> > we have used dousing to Identify cancers in individuals and also

> to Identify the best natural products to defeat it,whether you believe

> in this phenomenon is a matter of choice,but I will list the best

> possible defenders we have identified which you have covered over the

> years.

> >

> > (oleander) (wormwood) (cellular zeolite) (essiac)

> >

> > These are just some of the products we have doused that are the

> most effective,but they were doused with particular people in

> mind,therefore I can not say they are the best for every one.

> > Which ever of these products a person chooses,combined with

> vitamin c, a good enzyme product,alpha lipoic acid,spirulina and other

> superfoods,vitamin d3,msn,coenzyme q10,

> > apple cider vinegar or baking soda they have a very potent mixture

> to fight their cancer and most viral illness.

> > I hope this may be of help to some.

> >

> > kind regards

> > David

> >

> >

> > Tony @> wrote:

> > Yes, it really is necessary to condense the liquid way,

> way down to

> > use in skin creme. And it takes quite a lot of liquid to condense

> > down to a syrupy consistency.

> >

> > Go too weak and you will have little hope on the moles.

> >

> > > >

> > oleander soup , " boystyle " <boystyle@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Another question, lets say I make the soup.. can i take 1/10 of that

> > > liquid and mix it with aloe cream? I want to remove couple of

moles..

> > >

> > > and the rest 9/10 of the mixture I will mix with alcohol and

> > > drink..would that be good or is it really necessary to condense the

> > > liquid to make the cream? I dont feel like doing it 2 times hehe

> > >

> > > oleander soup , " boystyle " <boystyle@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > So you dont think I will have a small plant within a month or

> two that

> > > > I could make some soup? a few months supply soup? I am in Canada I

> > > > dont know where to buy the plant over here, Montreal, Quebec..

> > > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Oleander is not a vegetable like a tomato plant or lettuce

> that you

> > > > > can plant from seed and harvest much of only months later. I

would

> > > > > say you are looking at a couple of years time to have plants

> of any

> > > > > size, since oleander is a moderately fast grower that will grow

> > up to

> > > > > or so a couple of feet per year, depending upon soil, climate,

> etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your best bet would be to buy plants in 5 gallon containers

> from an

> > > > > organic nursery like Rhodes Nursery listed in my book. Buy

> > enough of

> > > > > those and you can harvest some right away and leave enough

> > growth for

> > > > > the plants to continue to grow and flourish.

> > > > >

> > > > > You will ultimately need some pretty sizable pots to grow

> > oleander in

> > > > > containers.

> > > > >

> > > > > www.beorganic.com/

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > oleander soup , " boystyle " <boystyle@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just received a pack of 20 today, and I planted 8 of them in

> > a big

> > > > > > jar, should it be enough?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do they grow fast? How long till I could make myself a small

> > > soup?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I decided in getting the seeds because I could find an organic

> > > > > > nursery, and I dont trust walmart or homedepot ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thankies

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Thanks for a lot of informative information, I guess

most people on this community are using the Oleander

soup correct?

 

Tony, I would like to know if there is anyone here

that could mail me a bag of leafs for one batch and I

will use paypal in order to pay them for the leafs +

shipping to Canada, they could specify its a herbal

tea...or whatever, I would only require a 1 time

shipment because my Oleander seeds are already planted

and from the soup that I will make(hopefully someone

is willing to send me some leafs or branches ) will

last me till they grow..

 

Would anyone please help me out with some leafs? I

will be very thankful, and just like I said it would

be a one time thingie..

 

Thanks everyone

 

--- Tony wrote:

 

> You see - I told you I didn't know much about it! I

> recall having

> someone demonstrate how a person could determine if

> a substance was

> good for you or not by holding it next to the body

> with one hand and

> measuring resistance to pressure on the other arm.

> It seemed to work,

> but I was never sure whether or not I was being

> spoofed somehow.

>

> One thing I have learned, and continue to learn,

> David, is to never

> reject almost anything out of hand. Too many times I

> have been proven

> wrong, and my whole journey in researching and

> learning about

> alternative and natural health and therapies has

> been a series of eye

> opening and myth disproving discoveries for me.

>

> Too many times people have rejected something as

> unbelievable that

> might have helped them - even saved their life,

> because of what they

> have been told and conditioned to believe. Oleander

> is a great

> example. Some of my own family members and friends

> are still alive

> because of it, yet other family members and friends

> refuse to believe

> it even after seeing the results.

>

> Science and medicine still have very little

> understanding of how the

> mind works. Although they have a pretty good handle

> on brainwashing.

>

> Live long, live healthy, live happy!

>

> >

> oleander soup , david phelan

> <dmpltd2003 wrote:

> >

> > Hi tony

> > The dousing I refer to is possibly similar to

> dousing for water

> but is based more on psychic

> > abilities,and being able to Identify a persons

> illness.A friend of

> mine can also stop internal bleeding with a phone

> call,sounds far

> fetched maybe but he can stop it every time.

> > try patenting that,stranger than fiction

> perhaps.

> >

> > regards

> > David

> >

> > regards

> > David

> > Tony wrote:

> > Thanks for the input David. I have not

> studied dousing,

> other than to

> > know that it works for finding water - but perhaps

> I should look into

> > it. Certainly oleander and essiac are two items I

> like (although I

> > like essiac primarily for it's cleansing ability

> and as an item to use

> > in combination with other supplements as opposed

> to a single

> > supplement for cancer). I am not as familiar with

> wormwood or

> > cellular zeolite, but I will look into them too.

> >

> > There is much to be said for keeping it simple. As

> you say, and as I

> > have often written, too much information can be

> confusing and too many

> > supplement items run the risk of including ones

> which counter-act one

> > another or which do too much of the same thing.

> >

> > Even so, I think the list of essentials is a fair

> sized one. The key

> > is knowing which ones work well together - a

> subject of much of my

> > current and future research.

> >

> > " vitamin c, a good enzyme product, alpha lipoic

> acid, spirulina and

> > other superfoods, vitamin d3, msn, coenzyme q10,

> apple cider vinegar

> > or baking soda " is a good group indeed, IMO.

> >

> > I would also add iodine, colloidal silver and

> gold, calcium,

> > magnesium, zinc, potassium, trace minerals,

> selenium, flaxseed oil and

> > yogurt, bromelain and possibly milk thistle.

> Perhaps turmeric. I

> > consider all of those to be very important. And

> most of you are aware

> > of my very high regards for inositol/IP6 as well.

> >

> > Between your list and mine, I take everything

> right now - without

> > having cancer - except wormwood, cellular zeolite,

> essiac, and msn. I

> > also take cats claw, glucosamine/chondroitin,

> cinnamon, grapeseed

> > extract, and a multi-vitamin. And I make sure to

> eat plenty of dark

> > green vegetables (primarily baby spinach leaves),

> tomatoes, red grapes

> > seeds and all, pomegranate juice, and lots of

> other raw vegetables and

> > fruits.

> >

> > I also live as stress free as possible, get plenty

> of sunshine, some

> > exercise and drink plenty of good water that is

> free of fluoride and

> > usually free of chlorine too.

> >

> > That is a big list, I know, (and I probably left

> something out - lol)

> > but what I take seems to work well together - and

> makes up for all the

> > fudges I do (which I would not do if I had

> cancer). If I find that I

> > have erred, I will be sure to let everyone know.

> >

> > We have a group of people, as you say, who know a

> lot about natural

> > health and supplements here - and many members who

> want to help and

> > share. As forum mod, it is my job to try to point

> out the information

> > I believe might questionable or might not fit in

> with the things that

> > I recommend.

> >

> > I appreciate everyone sharing and I think you for

> adding your valuable

> > two cents. More like gold nuggets, I would say.

> >

> > Live long, live healthy, live happy!

> >

> > Tony Isaacs

> >

> > oleander soup , David phelan

> <dmpltd2003@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi > > > Just thought I would offer my 2 cents worth,I

> have been a member

> > of the group for quite a while now,but have never

> really contributed

> > as I felt you had covered most of the important

> stuff better than most

> > people could, and most of this information I had

> compiled myself over

> > a period of 10 years or so.

> > > The problems I can see now is that too much

> conflicting

> > information is as bad as too little.

> > > I feel the best way to tackle any problem is to

> keep it as simple

> > as possible,while I understand that their are

> certain horses for

> > certain courses and what works for some doesnt

> always work for others

> > it must be very confusing to a lot of people to

> see the array of

> > products being suggested.

> > > I fully understand that they are offered with

> the best of

> > intentions,but I think most people are better

> keeping it simple and

> > sticking to products that have the best known

> successes.

> > > Any person that is a member of this group

> probably already know

> > the basics and importance of certain diets and

> alkalinity of the

> > body.Once they have sorted this they are on the

> first rung of the

> ladder.

> > > I have come in contact with quite a few people

> with

> > cancer,including my wife and a good few members of

> both our families,

> > friends and acquaintances and feel from experience

> that most cancers

> > are curable if caught in time and if the person

> has the right frame of

> > mind to stick to a certain regime.

>

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That is not something that I can afford to become involved with - I

already have too much visibility due to my articles, books and forum

posts.

 

However, there was someone at one time who knew a guy who would mail

clippings. That should be perfectly OK to do, since one is merely

sending raw plant materials for unspecified reasons.

 

And there might be others willing to help privately. I will leave the

question out there and hope all works out ok for you.

 

 

oleander soup , --- --- <boystyle wrote:

>

> Hello,

> Thanks for a lot of informative information, I guess

> most people on this community are using the Oleander

> soup correct?

>

> Tony, I would like to know if there is anyone here

> that could mail me a bag of leafs for one batch and I

> will use paypal in order to pay them for the leafs +

> shipping to Canada, they could specify its a herbal

> tea...or whatever, I would only require a 1 time

> shipment because my Oleander seeds are already planted

> and from the soup that I will make(hopefully someone

> is willing to send me some leafs or branches ) will

> last me till they grow..

>

> Would anyone please help me out with some leafs? I

> will be very thankful, and just like I said it would

> be a one time thingie..

>

> Thanks everyone

>

[Guest guest]

Why don't you get a small oleander plant here:

 

www.beorganic.com/

 

It will only cost approximately $6.oo plus shipping. Then when your

seeds grow, well, you'll have two plants.

 

I feel a bit wary about sending clippings myself across the border,

just have an uneasy feeling, so I think I will listen to it.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

> That is not something that I can afford to become involved with - I

> already have too much visibility due to my articles, books and forum

> posts.

>

> However, there was someone at one time who knew a guy who would mail

> clippings. That should be perfectly OK to do, since one is merely

> sending raw plant materials for unspecified reasons.

>

> And there might be others willing to help privately. I will leave

the

> question out there and hope all works out ok for you.

>

> >

> oleander soup , --- --- <boystyle@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> > Thanks for a lot of informative information, I guess

> > most people on this community are using the Oleander

> > soup correct?

> >

> > Tony, I would like to know if there is anyone here

> > that could mail me a bag of leafs for one batch and I

> > will use paypal in order to pay them for the leafs +

> > shipping to Canada, they could specify its a herbal

> > tea...or whatever, I would only require a 1 time

> > shipment because my Oleander seeds are already planted

> > and from the soup that I will make(hopefully someone

> > is willing to send me some leafs or branches ) will

> > last me till they grow..

> >

> > Would anyone please help me out with some leafs? I

> > will be very thankful, and just like I said it would

> > be a one time thingie..

> >

> > Thanks everyone

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I've got two hedges of Oleander, 12 feet high and 40 feet long each.

I would be glad to send some for you for free, only I don't know what

the law says about sending vegetation via the US mail, much less to

Canada.

 

 

oleander soup , --- --- <boystyle wrote:

>

> Hello,

> Thanks for a lot of informative information, I guess

> most people on this community are using the Oleander

> soup correct?

>

> Tony, I would like to know if there is anyone here

> that could mail me a bag of leafs for one batch and I

> will use paypal in order to pay them for the leafs +

> shipping to Canada, they could specify its a herbal

> tea...or whatever, I would only require a 1 time

> shipment because my Oleander seeds are already planted

> and from the soup that I will make(hopefully someone

> is willing to send me some leafs or branches ) will

> last me till they grow..

>

> Would anyone please help me out with some leafs? I

> will be very thankful, and just like I said it would

> be a one time thingie..

>

> Thanks everyone

>

> --- Tony wrote:

>

> > You see - I told you I didn't know much about it! I

> > recall having

> > someone demonstrate how a person could determine if

> > a substance was

> > good for you or not by holding it next to the body

> > with one hand and

> > measuring resistance to pressure on the other arm.

> > It seemed to work,

> > but I was never sure whether or not I was being

> > spoofed somehow.

> >

> > One thing I have learned, and continue to learn,

> > David, is to never

> > reject almost anything out of hand. Too many times I

> > have been proven

> > wrong, and my whole journey in researching and

> > learning about

> > alternative and natural health and therapies has

> > been a series of eye

> > opening and myth disproving discoveries for me.

> >

> > Too many times people have rejected something as

> > unbelievable that

> > might have helped them - even saved their life,

> > because of what they

> > have been told and conditioned to believe. Oleander

> > is a great

> > example. Some of my own family members and friends

> > are still alive

> > because of it, yet other family members and friends

> > refuse to believe

> > it even after seeing the results.

> >

> > Science and medicine still have very little

> > understanding of how the

> > mind works. Although they have a pretty good handle

> > on brainwashing.

> >

> > Live long, live healthy, live happy!

> >

> > > >

> > oleander soup , david phelan

> > <dmpltd2003@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi tony

> > > The dousing I refer to is possibly similar to

> > dousing for water

> > but is based more on psychic

> > > abilities,and being able to Identify a persons

> > illness.A friend of

> > mine can also stop internal bleeding with a phone

> > call,sounds far

> > fetched maybe but he can stop it every time.

> > > try patenting that,stranger than fiction

> > perhaps.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > David

> > >

> > > regards

> > > David

> > > Tony @> wrote:

> > > Thanks for the input David. I have not

> > studied dousing,

> > other than to

> > > know that it works for finding water - but perhaps

> > I should look into

> > > it. Certainly oleander and essiac are two items I

> > like (although I

> > > like essiac primarily for it's cleansing ability

> > and as an item to use

> > > in combination with other supplements as opposed

> > to a single

> > > supplement for cancer). I am not as familiar with

> > wormwood or

> > > cellular zeolite, but I will look into them too.

> > >

> > > There is much to be said for keeping it simple. As

> > you say, and as I

> > > have often written, too much information can be

> > confusing and too many

> > > supplement items run the risk of including ones

> > which counter-act one

> > > another or which do too much of the same thing.

> > >

> > > Even so, I think the list of essentials is a fair

> > sized one. The key

> > > is knowing which ones work well together - a

> > subject of much of my

> > > current and future research.

> > >

> > > " vitamin c, a good enzyme product, alpha lipoic

> > acid, spirulina and

> > > other superfoods, vitamin d3, msn, coenzyme q10,

> > apple cider vinegar

> > > or baking soda " is a good group indeed, IMO.

> > >

> > > I would also add iodine, colloidal silver and

> > gold, calcium,

> > > magnesium, zinc, potassium, trace minerals,

> > selenium, flaxseed oil and

> > > yogurt, bromelain and possibly milk thistle.

> > Perhaps turmeric. I

> > > consider all of those to be very important. And

> > most of you are aware

> > > of my very high regards for inositol/IP6 as well.

> > >

> > > Between your list and mine, I take everything

> > right now - without

> > > having cancer - except wormwood, cellular zeolite,

> > essiac, and msn. I

> > > also take cats claw, glucosamine/chondroitin,

> > cinnamon, grapeseed

> > > extract, and a multi-vitamin. And I make sure to

> > eat plenty of dark

> > > green vegetables (primarily baby spinach leaves),

> > tomatoes, red grapes

> > > seeds and all, pomegranate juice, and lots of

> > other raw vegetables and

> > > fruits.

> > >

> > > I also live as stress free as possible, get plenty

> > of sunshine, some

> > > exercise and drink plenty of good water that is

> > free of fluoride and

> > > usually free of chlorine too.

> > >

> > > That is a big list, I know, (and I probably left

> > something out - lol)

> > > but what I take seems to work well together - and

> > makes up for all the

> > > fudges I do (which I would not do if I had

> > cancer). If I find that I

> > > have erred, I will be sure to let everyone know.

> > >

> > > We have a group of people, as you say, who know a

> > lot about natural

> > > health and supplements here - and many members who

> > want to help and

> > > share. As forum mod, it is my job to try to point

> > out the information

> > > I believe might questionable or might not fit in

> > with the things that

> > > I recommend.

> > >

> > > I appreciate everyone sharing and I think you for

> > adding your valuable

> > > two cents. More like gold nuggets, I would say.

> > >

> > > Live long, live healthy, live happy!

> > >

> > > Tony Isaacs

> > >

> > > oleander soup , David phelan

> > <dmpltd2003@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi > > > > Just thought I would offer my 2 cents worth,I

> > have been a member

> > > of the group for quite a while now,but have never

> > really contributed

> > > as I felt you had covered most of the important

> > stuff better than most

> > > people could, and most of this information I had

> > compiled myself over

> > > a period of 10 years or so.

> > > > The problems I can see now is that too much

> > conflicting

> > > information is as bad as too little.

> > > > I feel the best way to tackle any problem is to

> > keep it as simple

> > > as possible,while I understand that their are

> > certain horses for

> > > certain courses and what works for some doesnt

> > always work for others

> > > it must be very confusing to a lot of people to

> > see the array of

> > > products being suggested.

> > > > I fully understand that they are offered with

> > the best of

> > > intentions,but I think most people are better

> > keeping it simple and

> > > sticking to products that have the best known

> > successes.

> > > > Any person that is a member of this group

> > probably already know

> > > the basics and importance of certain diets and

> > alkalinity of the

> > > body.Once they have sorted this they are on the

> > first rung of the

> > ladder.

> > > > I have come in contact with quite a few people

> > with

> > > cancer,including my wife and a good few members of

> > both our families,

> > > friends and acquaintances and feel from experience

> > that most cancers

> > > are curable if caught in time and if the person

> > has the right frame of

> > > mind to stick to a certain regime.

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

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Just a thought, but if I were to ship someone some oleander, I would

cover the stems in something like wet paper towels, seal them in a bag

and mark on the bag: " Oleander Clippings - handle with care, oleander

is toxic. Not intended for human consumption. " and then place the bag

in box with filling material to make it good and full and ship it to

whomever wanted the clippings. Keeping the roots moist and shipping

via second day air, or UPS should insure that the plants are still

alive when they arrive, At which point a person could root them out

to grow if so desired.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001

wrote:

>

> I've got two hedges of Oleander, 12 feet high and 40 feet long each.

> I would be glad to send some for you for free, only I don't know what

> the law says about sending vegetation via the US mail, much less to

> Canada.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I am open to that idea, if there is anyone that is

willing to do that for me

 

I could plant a few and the rest use for the soup

right?

 

--- Tony wrote:

 

> Just a thought, but if I were to ship someone some

> oleander, I would

> cover the stems in something like wet paper towels,

> seal them in a bag

> and mark on the bag: " Oleander Clippings - handle

> with care, oleander

> is toxic. Not intended for human consumption. " and

> then place the bag

> in box with filling material to make it good and

> full and ship it to

> whomever wanted the clippings. Keeping the roots

> moist and shipping

> via second day air, or UPS should insure that the

> plants are still

> alive when they arrive, At which point a person

> could root them out

> to grow if so desired.

>

> >

>

> oleander soup , " Victor

> Martinez " <vmtz2001

> wrote:

> >

> > I've got two hedges of Oleander, 12 feet high and

> 40 feet long each.

> > I would be glad to send some for you for free,

> only I don't know what

> > the law says about sending vegetation via the US

> mail, much less to

> > Canada.

> >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Well, if you read the posts, someone said they had plenty of oleander.

And I said they should be able to send you some oleander clippings

clearly marked, inside the box on the bag containing the oleander that

it was not intended for human consumption.

 

What you decide to do with the oleander once you get it is your business.

 

 

oleander soup , --- --- <boystyle wrote:

>

> Hi, I am open to that idea, if there is anyone that is

> willing to do that for me

>

> I could plant a few and the rest use for the soup

> right?

>

>

> --- Tony wrote:

>

> > Just a thought, but if I were to ship someone some

> > oleander, I would

> > cover the stems in something like wet paper towels,

> > seal them in a bag

> > and mark on the bag: " Oleander Clippings - handle

> > with care, oleander

> > is toxic. Not intended for human consumption. " and

> > then place the bag

> > in box with filling material to make it good and

> > full and ship it to

> > whomever wanted the clippings. Keeping the roots

> > moist and shipping

> > via second day air, or UPS should insure that the

> > plants are still

> > alive when they arrive, At which point a person

> > could root them out

> > to grow if so desired.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > oleander soup , " Victor

> > Martinez " <vmtz2001@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I've got two hedges of Oleander, 12 feet high and

> > 40 feet long each.

> > > I would be glad to send some for you for free,

> > only I don't know what

> > > the law says about sending vegetation via the US

> > mail, much less to

> > > Canada.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Thanks, I have contacted that someone hopefully will get a reply

soon..and I also contacted that nursery you provided but they do not

ship to canada..

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

> Well, if you read the posts, someone said they had plenty of oleander.

> And I said they should be able to send you some oleander clippings

> clearly marked, inside the box on the bag containing the oleander that

> it was not intended for human consumption.

>

> What you decide to do with the oleander once you get it is your

business.

>

> >

> oleander soup , --- --- <boystyle@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi, I am open to that idea, if there is anyone that is

> > willing to do that for me

> >

> > I could plant a few and the rest use for the soup

> > right?

> >

> >

> > --- Tony @> wrote:

> >

> > > Just a thought, but if I were to ship someone some

> > > oleander, I would

> > > cover the stems in something like wet paper towels,

> > > seal them in a bag

> > > and mark on the bag: " Oleander Clippings - handle

> > > with care, oleander

> > > is toxic. Not intended for human consumption. " and

> > > then place the bag

> > > in box with filling material to make it good and

> > > full and ship it to

> > > whomever wanted the clippings. Keeping the roots

> > > moist and shipping

> > > via second day air, or UPS should insure that the

> > > plants are still

> > > alive when they arrive, At which point a person

> > > could root them out

> > > to grow if so desired.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > oleander soup , " Victor

> > > Martinez " <vmtz2001@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I've got two hedges of Oleander, 12 feet high and

> > > 40 feet long each.

> > > > I would be glad to send some for you for free,

> > > only I don't know what

> > > > the law says about sending vegetation via the US

> > > mail, much less to

> > > > Canada.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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I have found someone locally who has the plants ! yay! I asked if they

were sprayed with pesticides..the ppl said no but now they think I

want to eat them and they are keeping telling me thats its highly

poisonous haha

oleander soup , " boystyle " <boystyle wrote:

>

> Thanks, I have contacted that someone hopefully will get a reply

> soon..and I also contacted that nursery you provided but they do not

> ship to canada..

> oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote:

> >

> > Well, if you read the posts, someone said they had plenty of oleander.

> > And I said they should be able to send you some oleander clippings

> > clearly marked, inside the box on the bag containing the oleander that

> > it was not intended for human consumption.

> >

> > What you decide to do with the oleander once you get it is your

> business.

> >

> > > >

> > oleander soup , --- --- <boystyle@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi, I am open to that idea, if there is anyone that is

> > > willing to do that for me

> > >

> > > I could plant a few and the rest use for the soup

> > > right?

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Tony @> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Just a thought, but if I were to ship someone some

> > > > oleander, I would

> > > > cover the stems in something like wet paper towels,

> > > > seal them in a bag

> > > > and mark on the bag: " Oleander Clippings - handle

> > > > with care, oleander

> > > > is toxic. Not intended for human consumption. " and

> > > > then place the bag

> > > > in box with filling material to make it good and

> > > > full and ship it to

> > > > whomever wanted the clippings. Keeping the roots

> > > > moist and shipping

> > > > via second day air, or UPS should insure that the

> > > > plants are still

> > > > alive when they arrive, At which point a person

> > > > could root them out

> > > > to grow if so desired.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > oleander soup , " Victor

> > > > Martinez " <vmtz2001@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I've got two hedges of Oleander, 12 feet high and

> > > > 40 feet long each.

> > > > > I would be glad to send some for you for free,

> > > > only I don't know what

> > > > > the law says about sending vegetation via the US

> > > > mail, much less to

> > > > > Canada.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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