Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I took another look at the photos of the breast cancer patient and the progression of her breast cancer. There's a photo there that says, " after 6 weeks of radiation " not too long before she was declared cancer free. How can we be sure it wasn't the radiation that cured her? I'm not saying that's the case, but what's ther rationale behind saying this was evidence of the oleander working on her? Excuse my ignorance and forgive me if I seem impertinent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Radiation has never cured anyone of cancer and neither has chemotherapy, despite what doctors say. They may kill cancer cells but they do not cure cancer. All they have ever done is eliminate or shrink the symptoms (the tumor) of an underlying problem, while at the same time weakening the body so that the reappearance of the cancer, or another form of cancer or disease is made easier. Some of the time, the patient is fortunate enough to survive radiation and/or chemo and be able to rebuild their immune systems to the point of being able to cure the underlying cause and prevent the return of the cancer. In most successful cases, a healthier diet and lifestyle play a big role. If the photos are of the same patient I think it was, her oncologist was amazed and knew it was not the radiation that caused the tumor to be expelled. So amazed in fact, that the female oncologist began taking oleander herself as a preventive to make sure she never had cancer. Perhaps the Heel company products will work just fine. Certainly oleander is not the only alternative that will beat cancer. But it takes more than just getting rid of the symptom (tumor). There are a lot of things that will shrink cancer tumors, but not all of them will get rid of the tumor entirely. Often, they merely kill the least resistant cancer cells and leave a group of more resistant cancer cells behind to begin growing again that are more difficult to beat. From my observation of those photos, that lady's nipple was mostly just a mass of cancerous cells and I do not see how anything could have saved it. Marc is very busy right now setting up a supply to meet the demand for his oleander due to the successes it is having and he came here to answer your initial questions after I got in touch with him. Hopefully he have time and be able to monitor the messages and continue to reply, but I cannot promise it. " Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone can create, and healing is re-creation. " - Dr. Willaim S. Sadler oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001 wrote: > > I took another look at the photos of the breast cancer patient and the > progression of her breast cancer. There's a photo there that > says, " after 6 weeks of radiation " not too long before she was declared > cancer free. How can we be sure it wasn't the radiation that cured her? > I'm not saying that's the case, but what's ther rationale behind saying > this was evidence of the oleander working on her? Excuse my ignorance > and forgive me if I seem impertinent. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Your question highlights the problem one has with any treatment other than chemo, radiation or surgery. If a breast cancer patient has ONE chemo treatment that makes her so sick that she discontinues all chemo and then goes into remission as a result of the Budwig diet, oleander treatment or any of a number of other alternatives, the pharmaceutical establishment will always ascribe her cure to that one chemo treatment. And, unfortunately, apart form using common sense one cannot prove otherwise. In the Cancer Letters of 28 Nov 2002, the following research was reported: "Cardiac glycosides such as digitoxin and ouabain have previously been shown to be selectively cytotoxic to tumor as opposed to normal cells. Moreover, this class of agents has also been shown to act as potent radiosensitizers. In the present study we explored the relative radiosensitization potential of oleandrin, a cardiac glycoside contained within the plant extract known as Anvirzel that recently underwent a Phase I trial as a novel drug for anticancer therapy. The data show that oleandrin produces an enhancement of sensitivity of PC-3 human prostate cells to radiation; at a cell survival of 0.1, the enhancement factor was 1.32. The magnitude of radiosensitization depended on duration of exposure of cells to drug prior to radiation treatment. While a radiosensitizing effect of oleandrin was evident with only 1h of cell exposure to drug, the effect greatly increased with 24h oleandrin pretreatment. Susceptibility of PC-3 cells to oleandrin and radiation-induced apoptosis was dependent on activation of caspase-3. Activation was greatest when cells were exposed simultaneously to oleandrin and radiation. Inhibition of caspase-3 activation with Z-DEVD-FMK abrogated the oleandrin-induced enhancement of radiation response suggesting that both oleandrin and radiation share a caspase-3 dependent mechanism of apoptosis in the PC-3 cell line. " (Cancer Lett 2002 Nov 28;185(2):145-51 (ISSN: 0304-3835) Nasu S; Milas L; Kawabe S; Raju U; Newman R Department of Experimental Radiation Oncology, University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, 1515 Holcombe Boulevard, Houston, TX 77030-4009, USA.) It therefore seems that the longer one uses the oleander, the more effective any form of radiation treatment will be. In the case of the breast cancer photos, the oncologist's actual report stated that "..she has had a remarkable response on radiation and homeopathic supplements and she can now be regarded as being in remission". The "homeopathic remedy" she referred to is the oleander mix. I doubt it very much that any oncologist would add a referral to an alternative treatment in a report if they did not consider that it played a major role in the outcome. Marc - Victor Martinez oleander soup Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:49 AM Photos of Breast Cancer I took another look at the photos of the breast cancer patient and the progression of her breast cancer. There's a photo there that says, "after 6 weeks of radiation" not too long before she was declared cancer free. How can we be sure it wasn't the radiation that cured her? I'm not saying that's the case, but what's ther rationale behind saying this was evidence of the oleander working on her? Excuse my ignorance and forgive me if I seem impertinent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Yes, I've read before that it's a mistake to think that a tumor shrinking is indicative that cancer will go away, but it's encouraging to some extent, I would think. What Marc said about the tumor in that photo, as I understood it, was that the tumor was driven to the surface and from there, it had no where to go. Pretty gruesome, but wonderful for that woman. oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > Radiation has never cured anyone of cancer and neither has > chemotherapy, despite what doctors say. They may kill cancer cells > but they do not cure cancer. All they have ever done is eliminate or > shrink the symptoms (the tumor) of an underlying problem, while at the > same time weakening the body so that the reappearance of the cancer, > or another form of cancer or disease is made easier. > > Some of the time, the patient is fortunate enough to survive radiation > and/or chemo and be able to rebuild their immune systems to the point > of being able to cure the underlying cause and prevent the return of > the cancer. In most successful cases, a healthier diet and lifestyle > play a big role. > > If the photos are of the same patient I think it was, her oncologist > was amazed and knew it was not the radiation that caused the tumor to > be expelled. So amazed in fact, that the female oncologist began > taking oleander herself as a preventive to make sure she never had cancer. > > Perhaps the Heel company products will work just fine. Certainly > oleander is not the only alternative that will beat cancer. But it > takes more than just getting rid of the symptom (tumor). There are a > lot of things that will shrink cancer tumors, but not all of them will > get rid of the tumor entirely. Often, they merely kill the least > resistant cancer cells and leave a group of more resistant cancer > cells behind to begin growing again that are more difficult to beat. > > From my observation of those photos, that lady's nipple was mostly > just a mass of cancerous cells and I do not see how anything could > have saved it. > > Marc is very busy right now setting up a supply to meet the demand for > his oleander due to the successes it is having and he came here to > answer your initial questions after I got in touch with him. > Hopefully he have time and be able to monitor the messages and > continue to reply, but I cannot promise it. > > > > " Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only > direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone can > create, and healing is re-creation. " > - Dr. Willaim S. Sadler > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > wrote: > > > > I took another look at the photos of the breast cancer patient and the > > progression of her breast cancer. There's a photo there that > > says, " after 6 weeks of radiation " not too long before she was declared > > cancer free. How can we be sure it wasn't the radiation that cured her? > > I'm not saying that's the case, but what's ther rationale behind saying > > this was evidence of the oleander working on her? Excuse my ignorance > > and forgive me if I seem impertinent. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Victor, in the condition that your wife is in it is very easy to cling on to any little thing for false hope. Maybe you can call this to her attention? And tell her that you would feel more secure if she took the oleander? Hugs, oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001 wrote: > > Yes, I've read before that it's a mistake to think that a tumor > shrinking is indicative that cancer will go away, but it's > encouraging to some extent, I would think. What Marc said about the > tumor in that photo, as I understood it, was that the tumor was driven > to the surface and from there, it had no where to go. Pretty > gruesome, but wonderful for that woman. > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote: > > > > Radiation has never cured anyone of cancer and neither has > > chemotherapy, despite what doctors say. They may kill cancer cells > > but they do not cure cancer. All they have ever done is eliminate or > > shrink the symptoms (the tumor) of an underlying problem, while at the > > same time weakening the body so that the reappearance of the cancer, > > or another form of cancer or disease is made easier. > > > > Some of the time, the patient is fortunate enough to survive radiation > > and/or chemo and be able to rebuild their immune systems to the point > > of being able to cure the underlying cause and prevent the return of > > the cancer. In most successful cases, a healthier diet and lifestyle > > play a big role. > > > > If the photos are of the same patient I think it was, her oncologist > > was amazed and knew it was not the radiation that caused the tumor to > > be expelled. So amazed in fact, that the female oncologist began > > taking oleander herself as a preventive to make sure she never had > cancer. > > > > Perhaps the Heel company products will work just fine. Certainly > > oleander is not the only alternative that will beat cancer. But it > > takes more than just getting rid of the symptom (tumor). There are a > > lot of things that will shrink cancer tumors, but not all of them will > > get rid of the tumor entirely. Often, they merely kill the least > > resistant cancer cells and leave a group of more resistant cancer > > cells behind to begin growing again that are more difficult to beat. > > > > From my observation of those photos, that lady's nipple was mostly > > just a mass of cancerous cells and I do not see how anything could > > have saved it. > > > > Marc is very busy right now setting up a supply to meet the demand for > > his oleander due to the successes it is having and he came here to > > answer your initial questions after I got in touch with him. > > Hopefully he have time and be able to monitor the messages and > > continue to reply, but I cannot promise it. > > > > > > > > " Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only > > direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone can > > create, and healing is re-creation. " > > - Dr. Willaim S. Sadler > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I took another look at the photos of the breast cancer patient and > the > > > progression of her breast cancer. There's a photo there that > > > says, " after 6 weeks of radiation " not too long before she was > declared > > > cancer free. How can we be sure it wasn't the radiation that cured > her? > > > I'm not saying that's the case, but what's ther rationale behind > saying > > > this was evidence of the oleander working on her? Excuse my ignorance > > > and forgive me if I seem impertinent. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Oh, I've called this to her attention alright. I've done all I can. The good thing is she's feeling rather positive about doing the Budwig Protocol and thinks she could take the sulphur/mild pills that duplicate the effect of CC along with the FSO. I would sneak the OS into her food or a beverage if I could, but I wouldn't know how she would respond and she could really freak if she starts having reactions for which she doesn't know what the cause is. That's not part of my usual ethics, either. I would do it only to save her life, but again, she might react badly to it. May <luellamay129 wrote: Victor, in the condition that your wife is in it is very easy to cling on to any little thing for false hope. Maybe you can call this to her attention? And tell her that you would feel more secure if she took the oleander?Hugs,oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001 wrote:>> Yes, I've read before that it's a mistake to think that a tumor> shrinking is indicative that cancer will go away, but it's> encouraging to some extent, I would think. What Marc said about the> tumor in that photo, as I understood it, was that the tumor was driven> to the surface and from there, it had no where to go. Pretty> gruesome, but wonderful for that woman.> > oleander soup , "Tony" @> wrote:> >> > Radiation has never cured anyone of cancer and neither has> > chemotherapy, despite what doctors say. They may kill cancer cells> > but they do not cure cancer. All they have ever done is eliminate or> > shrink the symptoms (the tumor) of an underlying problem, while at the> > same time weakening the body so that the reappearance of the cancer,> > or another form of cancer or disease is made easier.> > > > Some of the time, the patient is fortunate enough to survive radiation> > and/or chemo and be able to rebuild their immune systems to the point> > of being able to cure the underlying cause and prevent the return of> > the cancer. In most successful cases, a healthier diet and lifestyle> > play a big role.> > > > If the photos are of the same patient I think it was, her oncologist> > was amazed and knew it was not the radiation that caused the tumor to> > be expelled. So amazed in fact, that the female oncologist began> > taking oleander herself as a preventive to make sure she never had> cancer.> > > > Perhaps the Heel company products will work just fine. Certainly> > oleander is not the only alternative that will beat cancer. But it> > takes more than just getting rid of the symptom (tumor). There are a> > lot of things that will shrink cancer tumors, but not all of them will> > get rid of the tumor entirely. Often, they merely kill the least> > resistant cancer cells and leave a group of more resistant cancer> > cells behind to begin growing again that are more difficult to beat.> > > > From my observation of those photos, that lady's nipple was mostly> > just a mass of cancerous cells and I do not see how anything could> > have saved it.> > > > Marc is very busy right now setting up a supply to meet the demand for> > his oleander due to the successes it is having and he came here to> > answer your initial questions after I got in touch with him. > > Hopefully he have time and be able to monitor the messages and> > continue to reply, but I cannot promise it.> > > > Tony> > > > "Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only> > direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone can> > create, and healing is re-creation."> > - Dr. Willaim S. Sadler> > > > > > > > oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001@>> > wrote:> > >> > > I took another look at the photos of the breast cancer patient and> the > > > progression of her breast cancer. There's a photo there that > > > says, "after 6 weeks of radiation" not too long before she was> declared > > > cancer free. How can we be sure it wasn't the radiation that cured> her? > > > I'm not saying that's the case, but what's ther rationale behind> saying > > > this was evidence of the oleander working on her? Excuse my ignorance > > > and forgive me if I seem impertinent.> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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