Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Apples and oranges between THAT cancer and the stage 1 or 0 ones we are talking about here in recent messages. What is alarming about those photos, from South Africa btw, is how far the cancer had advanced before oleander was introduced. The nipple had no chance and oleander had to essentially beat both the cancer and the damage from the chemo. The most impressive thing I know about oleander and breast cancer is the oncologist in South Africa who now uses it herself as a preventive when she saw how successful it was on her patients that chemo and radiation could not help. oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001 wrote: > > If you think bleeding from the nipple is something alarming, get a > load of the pictures in the file section of this group of the woman > who beat breast cancer with Oleander, but totally lost her nipple > entirely. Her situation, before she got cured (as you perhaps know), > was far more alarming than simple bleeding,yet she stuck it out. I > don't know that I would do that were I in her shoes, though. That's > what I have a problem with---taking such a big chance. There was > every indication it was getting worse, not better for the woman in > those pictures. In fact she lost her nipple entirely. My wife has > even more reason to think she is doing better than that woman, Again, > I would rather she not take that chance, or try something that is > more widely known to work, like Oleander. My wife has every reason to > think she's doing better because from January to June she went from > cancer in the lobules and ducts to cancer in the ducts only, in other > words, from invasive to non-invasive cancer, from stage 1 to stage 0. > You say you had invasive cancer yet it was DCIS, I believe that DCIS > by definition is non-invasive. I do have my doubts as to whether the > doctor got us mixed up with another patient. As for the fact that you > didn't bleed, if you had a lumpoctomy, that would mean that it was > rather small, so it's unlikely it would bleed. > > oleander soup , cr8iveart@ wrote: > > > > Victor, > > I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had DCIS - > I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving grace there > is that I did not have " big red " - Adramycin). My dr felt that I > should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - Immune > Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh well, if > you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand that > one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was invasive - I > never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I have > worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when he did a > thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one point > (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced that I > would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only making > expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I have had > a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a while to > go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env > > ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my supplements to > where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, under > control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking them away. > Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have you asked > for other references of people this gentleman has helped? When I > talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that I was, > we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our condition > and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his rememdies > were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one > supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda > in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that is what I > really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? She > might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this is > helpful. Janna > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, but > > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition is > > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her that > it > > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful > treatment. > > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files with > her > > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like that > about > > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, but > she > > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is convinced > > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is > leary of > > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as well. > > > > > > oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Victor, > > > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the > Oleander > > > > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. > This is > > > > an absolute painless way to take it. > > > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative Victor. > Let > > > her > > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > > > > > > > You are in my prayers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes when > you > > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). Some > prefer > > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way the > > > author > > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and mix > > > half > > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, pomegranate > > > juice, > > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then put > half > > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. > Then, > > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and swallow > all at > > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the other > > > half > > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable and > not > > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez > <vmtz2001@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, > anywhere, > > > is > > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like to > > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if they > are > > > > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what I've > seen > > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, it > all > > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her regimen. > > > Thanks > > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good news " > > > > posts on the various groups, and many do > > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the > question > > > > Victor > > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly > worth > > > > asking > > > > > at any of the groups. > > > > > > > > > > RB > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > Hi, > > > > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read Oleander > > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these > methods. I > > > am > > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files > Tab, I > > > > invite > > > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain how > natural > > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly > causes > > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The > word " cancer " > > > > need > > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these > > > > articles > > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and > > > don't > > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing > > > about > > > > all > > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with > cancer > > > > have > > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the various > > > > treatments > > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, > but > > > > rarely > > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty > laborious > > > to > > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but > it > > > > would be > > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what > they > > > > did. > > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 At which point was the OS introduced? oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > Apples and oranges between THAT cancer and the stage 1 or 0 ones we > are talking about here in recent messages. > > What is alarming about those photos, from South Africa btw, is how > far the cancer had advanced before oleander was introduced. The > nipple had no chance and oleander had to essentially beat both the > cancer and the damage from the chemo. > > The most impressive thing I know about oleander and breast cancer is > the oncologist in South Africa who now uses it herself as a > preventive when she saw how successful it was on her patients that > chemo and radiation could not help. > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > <vmtz2001@> wrote: > > > > If you think bleeding from the nipple is something alarming, get a > > load of the pictures in the file section of this group of the > woman > > who beat breast cancer with Oleander, but totally lost her nipple > > entirely. Her situation, before she got cured (as you perhaps > know), > > was far more alarming than simple bleeding,yet she stuck it out. I > > don't know that I would do that were I in her shoes, though. > That's > > what I have a problem with---taking such a big chance. There was > > every indication it was getting worse, not better for the woman in > > those pictures. In fact she lost her nipple entirely. My wife has > > even more reason to think she is doing better than that woman, > Again, > > I would rather she not take that chance, or try something that is > > more widely known to work, like Oleander. My wife has every reason > to > > think she's doing better because from January to June she went > from > > cancer in the lobules and ducts to cancer in the ducts only, in > other > > words, from invasive to non-invasive cancer, from stage 1 to stage > 0. > > You say you had invasive cancer yet it was DCIS, I believe that > DCIS > > by definition is non-invasive. I do have my doubts as to whether > the > > doctor got us mixed up with another patient. As for the fact that > you > > didn't bleed, if you had a lumpoctomy, that would mean that it was > > rather small, so it's unlikely it would bleed. > > > > oleander soup , cr8iveart@ wrote: > > > > > > Victor, > > > I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had > DCIS - > > I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving grace > there > > is that I did not have " big red " - Adramycin). My dr felt that I > > should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - > Immune > > Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh well, > if > > you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand that > > one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was invasive - I > > never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I have > > worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when he did > a > > thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one point > > (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced that I > > would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only making > > expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I have > had > > a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a while > to > > go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env > > > ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my supplements to > > where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, under > > control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking them > away. > > Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have you > asked > > for other references of people this gentleman has helped? When I > > talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that I > was, > > we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our > condition > > and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his rememdies > > were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one > > supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate (baking > soda > > in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that is > what I > > really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? She > > might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this is > > helpful. Janna > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, > but > > > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition is > > > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her > that > > it > > > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful > > treatment. > > > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files with > > her > > > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like > that > > about > > > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, > but > > she > > > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is > convinced > > > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is > > leary of > > > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as > well. > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " May " > <luellamay129@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Victor, > > > > > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the > > Oleander > > > > > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. > > This is > > > > > an absolute painless way to take it. > > > > > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative > Victor. > > Let > > > > her > > > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > > > > > > > > > You are in my prayers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > > > > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes when > > you > > > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). Some > > prefer > > > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way > the > > > > author > > > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and > mix > > > > half > > > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, > pomegranate > > > > juice, > > > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then > put > > half > > > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. > > Then, > > > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and swallow > > all at > > > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the > other > > > > half > > > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable > and > > not > > > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, > > anywhere, > > > > is > > > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like > to > > > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if > they > > are > > > > > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what > I've > > seen > > > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, it > > all > > > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her > regimen. > > > > Thanks > > > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > > > > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good > news " > > > > > posts on the various groups, and many do > > > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the > > question > > > > > Victor > > > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly > > worth > > > > > asking > > > > > > at any of the groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > RB > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read Oleander > > > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these > > methods. I > > > > am > > > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files > > Tab, I > > > > > invite > > > > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain how > > natural > > > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly > > causes > > > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The > > word " cancer " > > > > > need > > > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading > these > > > > > articles > > > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support > and > > > > don't > > > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in > knowing > > > > about > > > > > all > > > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with > > cancer > > > > > have > > > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the > various > > > > > treatments > > > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous > messages, > > but > > > > > rarely > > > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty > > laborious > > > > to > > > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, > but > > it > > > > > would be > > > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly > what > > they > > > > > did. > > > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 The photos were furnished by South African researcher and Sutherlandia OPC patent holder Marc Swanepoel, who is a member of this group. I will notify him of your question and have him answer you directly here on the forum if I can. oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001 wrote: > > At which point was the OS introduced? > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote: > > > > Apples and oranges between THAT cancer and the stage 1 or 0 ones we > > are talking about here in recent messages. > > > > What is alarming about those photos, from South Africa btw, is how > > far the cancer had advanced before oleander was introduced. The > > nipple had no chance and oleander had to essentially beat both the > > cancer and the damage from the chemo. > > > > The most impressive thing I know about oleander and breast cancer > is > > the oncologist in South Africa who now uses it herself as a > > preventive when she saw how successful it was on her patients that > > chemo and radiation could not help. > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > > <vmtz2001@> wrote: > > > > > > If you think bleeding from the nipple is something alarming, get > a > > > load of the pictures in the file section of this group of the > > woman > > > who beat breast cancer with Oleander, but totally lost her nipple > > > entirely. Her situation, before she got cured (as you perhaps > > know), > > > was far more alarming than simple bleeding,yet she stuck it out. > I > > > don't know that I would do that were I in her shoes, though. > > That's > > > what I have a problem with---taking such a big chance. There was > > > every indication it was getting worse, not better for the woman > in > > > those pictures. In fact she lost her nipple entirely. My wife has > > > even more reason to think she is doing better than that woman, > > Again, > > > I would rather she not take that chance, or try something that is > > > more widely known to work, like Oleander. My wife has every > reason > > to > > > think she's doing better because from January to June she went > > from > > > cancer in the lobules and ducts to cancer in the ducts only, in > > other > > > words, from invasive to non-invasive cancer, from stage 1 to > stage > > 0. > > > You say you had invasive cancer yet it was DCIS, I believe that > > DCIS > > > by definition is non-invasive. I do have my doubts as to whether > > the > > > doctor got us mixed up with another patient. As for the fact that > > you > > > didn't bleed, if you had a lumpoctomy, that would mean that it > was > > > rather small, so it's unlikely it would bleed. > > > > > > oleander soup , cr8iveart@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Victor, > > > > I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had > > DCIS - > > > I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving grace > > there > > > is that I did not have " big red " - Adramycin). My dr felt that I > > > should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - > > Immune > > > Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh well, > > if > > > you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand > that > > > one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was invasive - > I > > > never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I have > > > worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when he > did > > a > > > thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one point > > > (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced that I > > > would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only > making > > > expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I have > > had > > > a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a while > > to > > > go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env > > > > ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my supplements to > > > where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, under > > > control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking them > > away. > > > Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have you > > asked > > > for other references of people this gentleman has helped? When I > > > talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that I > > was, > > > we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our > > condition > > > and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his > rememdies > > > were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one > > > supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate (baking > > soda > > > in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that is > > what I > > > really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? She > > > might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this is > > > helpful. Janna > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, > > but > > > > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition > is > > > > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her > > that > > > it > > > > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful > > > treatment. > > > > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files > with > > > her > > > > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like > > that > > > about > > > > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, > > but > > > she > > > > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is > > convinced > > > > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is > > > leary of > > > > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as > > well. > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " May " > > <luellamay129@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Victor, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the > > > Oleander > > > > > > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. > > > This is > > > > > > an absolute painless way to take it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative > > Victor. > > > Let > > > > > her > > > > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are in my prayers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > > > > > > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes > when > > > you > > > > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > > > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). > Some > > > prefer > > > > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > > > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way > > the > > > > > author > > > > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and > > mix > > > > > half > > > > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, > > pomegranate > > > > > juice, > > > > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then > > put > > > half > > > > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. > > > Then, > > > > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and > swallow > > > all at > > > > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the > > other > > > > > half > > > > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable > > and > > > not > > > > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, > > > anywhere, > > > > > is > > > > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like > > to > > > > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if > > they > > > are > > > > > > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what > > I've > > > seen > > > > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, > it > > > all > > > > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her > > regimen. > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good > > news " > > > > > > posts on the various groups, and many do > > > > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the > > > question > > > > > > Victor > > > > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is > certainly > > > worth > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > at any of the groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > > > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read > Oleander > > > > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these > > > methods. I > > > > > am > > > > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files > > > Tab, I > > > > > > invite > > > > > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain > how > > > natural > > > > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what > exactly > > > causes > > > > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The > > > word " cancer " > > > > > > need > > > > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading > > these > > > > > > articles > > > > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support > > and > > > > > don't > > > > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in > > knowing > > > > > about > > > > > > all > > > > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with > > > cancer > > > > > > have > > > > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the > > various > > > > > > treatments > > > > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous > > messages, > > > but > > > > > > rarely > > > > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty > > > laborious > > > > > to > > > > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, > > but > > > it > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly > > what > > > they > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Thanks, Tony. That type of direct contact will be helpful, not so much in convincing me, as my wife.Tony wrote: The photos were furnished by South African researcher and SutherlandiaOPC patent holder Marc Swanepoel, who is a member of this group. Iwill notify him of your question and have him answer you directly hereon the forum if I can.Tonyoleander soup , "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001wrote:>> At which point was the OS introduced?> > oleander soup , "Tony" @> wrote:> >> > Apples and oranges between THAT cancer and the stage 1 or 0 ones we > > are talking about here in recent messages.> > > > What is alarming about those photos, from South Africa btw, is how > > far the cancer had advanced before oleander was introduced. The > > nipple had no chance and oleander had to essentially beat both the > > cancer and the damage from the chemo.> > > > The most impressive thing I know about oleander and breast cancer > is > > the oncologist in South Africa who now uses it herself as a > > preventive when she saw how successful it was on her patients that > > chemo and radiation could not help.> > > > Tony> > oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" > > <vmtz2001@> wrote:> > >> > > If you think bleeding from the nipple is something alarming, get > a > > > load of the pictures in the file section of this group of the > > woman > > > who beat breast cancer with Oleander, but totally lost her nipple > > > entirely. Her situation, before she got cured (as you perhaps > > know), > > > was far more alarming than simple bleeding,yet she stuck it out. > I > > > don't know that I would do that were I in her shoes, though. > > That's > > > what I have a problem with---taking such a big chance. There was > > > every indication it was getting worse, not better for the woman > in > > > those pictures. In fact she lost her nipple entirely. My wife has > > > even more reason to think she is doing better than that woman, > > Again, > > > I would rather she not take that chance, or try something that is > > > more widely known to work, like Oleander. My wife has every > reason > > to > > > think she's doing better because from January to June she went > > from > > > cancer in the lobules and ducts to cancer in the ducts only, in > > other > > > words, from invasive to non-invasive cancer, from stage 1 to > stage > > 0. > > > You say you had invasive cancer yet it was DCIS, I believe that > > DCIS > > > by definition is non-invasive. I do have my doubts as to whether > > the > > > doctor got us mixed up with another patient. As for the fact that > > you > > > didn't bleed, if you had a lumpoctomy, that would mean that it > was > > > rather small, so it's unlikely it would bleed.> > > > > > oleander soup , cr8iveart@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Victor,> > > > I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had > > DCIS - > > > I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving grace > > there > > > is that I did not have "big red" - Adramycin). My dr felt that I > > > should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - > > Immune > > > Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh well, > > if > > > you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand > that > > > one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was invasive - > I > > > never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I have > > > worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when he > did > > a > > > thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one point > > > (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced that I > > > would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only > making > > > expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I have > > had > > > a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a while > > to > > > go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env> > > > ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my supplements to > > > where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, under > > > control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking them > > away. > > > Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have you > > asked > > > for other references of people this gentleman has helped? When I > > > talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that I > > was, > > > we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our > > condition > > > and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his > rememdies > > > were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one > > > supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate (baking > > soda > > > in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that is > > what I > > > really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? She > > > might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this is > > > helpful. Janna> > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------> > > > "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001@>> > > > >> > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, > > but > > > > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition > is > > > > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her > > that > > > it > > > > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful > > > treatment. > > > > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files > with > > > her > > > > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like > > that > > > about > > > > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, > > but > > > she > > > > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is > > convinced > > > > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is > > > leary of > > > > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as > > well.> > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " May" > > <luellamay129@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Victor,> > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the > > > Oleander > > > > > > Soup" You can find the recipe in the article under files. > > > This is > > > > > > an absolute painless way to take it.> > > > > > > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative > > Victor. > > > Let > > > > > her > > > > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > You are in my prayers.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste> > > > > > > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes > when > > > you > > > > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > > > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). > Some > > > prefer > > > > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > > > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way > > the > > > > > author > > > > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and > > mix > > > > > half > > > > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, > > pomegranate > > > > > juice, > > > > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then > > put > > > half > > > > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. > > > Then, > > > > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and > swallow > > > all at > > > > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the > > other > > > > > half > > > > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable > > and > > > not > > > > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, > > > anywhere, > > > > > is > > > > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like > > to > > > > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if > > they > > > are > > > > > > cured. I used the word "if" with great hesitation as what > > I've > > > seen > > > > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, > it > > > all > > > > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her > > regimen. > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual "good > > news" > > > > > > posts on the various groups, and many do> > > > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the > > > question > > > > > > Victor> > > > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is > certainly > > > worth > > > > > > asking> > > > > > > at any of the groups.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RB> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May" luellamay129@> > > > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > To the left, click on "Files" and go down and read > Oleander> > > > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these > > > methods. I > > > > > am> > > > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files > > > Tab, I > > > > > > invite> > > > > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain > how > > > natural> > > > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what > exactly > > > causes> > > > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The > > > word "cancer" > > > > > > need> > > > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading > > these > > > > > > articles> > > > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support > > and > > > > > don't> > > > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > > > > Hugs,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" > > > <vmtz2001@>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in > > knowing > > > > > about > > > > > > all> > > > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with > > > cancer > > > > > > have> > > > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the > > various > > > > > > treatments> > > > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous > > messages, > > > but > > > > > > rarely> > > > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty > > > laborious > > > > > to> > > > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, > > but > > > it > > > > > > would be> > > > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly > > what > > > they > > > > > > did.> > > > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Victor, have you gone over the supplements she is taking with Tony? Adding oleander is so very important at this time and you can mask the taste with no problem. Victor, cancer is a very scary thing and her condition is even scarier. She may be going through some type of denial. Go over the supplements with Tony and he will know if there is any danger of reaction. If that were my spouse, I am afraid that after making sure that it did not interact with anything, I would insist they take it. I am praying for you too. Hugs, oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001 wrote: > > Thanks, Tony. That type of direct contact will be helpful, not so much in convincing me, as my wife. > > Tony wrote: The photos were furnished by South African researcher and Sutherlandia > OPC patent holder Marc Swanepoel, who is a member of this group. I > will notify him of your question and have him answer you directly here > on the forum if I can. > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > wrote: > > > > At which point was the OS introduced? > > > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote: > > > > > > Apples and oranges between THAT cancer and the stage 1 or 0 ones we > > > are talking about here in recent messages. > > > > > > What is alarming about those photos, from South Africa btw, is how > > > far the cancer had advanced before oleander was introduced. The > > > nipple had no chance and oleander had to essentially beat both the > > > cancer and the damage from the chemo. > > > > > > The most impressive thing I know about oleander and breast cancer > > is > > > the oncologist in South Africa who now uses it herself as a > > > preventive when she saw how successful it was on her patients that > > > chemo and radiation could not help. > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > > > <vmtz2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If you think bleeding from the nipple is something alarming, get > > a > > > > load of the pictures in the file section of this group of the > > > woman > > > > who beat breast cancer with Oleander, but totally lost her nipple > > > > entirely. Her situation, before she got cured (as you perhaps > > > know), > > > > was far more alarming than simple bleeding,yet she stuck it out. > > I > > > > don't know that I would do that were I in her shoes, though. > > > That's > > > > what I have a problem with---taking such a big chance. There was > > > > every indication it was getting worse, not better for the woman > > in > > > > those pictures. In fact she lost her nipple entirely. My wife has > > > > even more reason to think she is doing better than that woman, > > > Again, > > > > I would rather she not take that chance, or try something that is > > > > more widely known to work, like Oleander. My wife has every > > reason > > > to > > > > think she's doing better because from January to June she went > > > from > > > > cancer in the lobules and ducts to cancer in the ducts only, in > > > other > > > > words, from invasive to non-invasive cancer, from stage 1 to > > stage > > > 0. > > > > You say you had invasive cancer yet it was DCIS, I believe that > > > DCIS > > > > by definition is non-invasive. I do have my doubts as to whether > > > the > > > > doctor got us mixed up with another patient. As for the fact that > > > you > > > > didn't bleed, if you had a lumpoctomy, that would mean that it > > was > > > > rather small, so it's unlikely it would bleed. > > > > > > > > oleander soup , cr8iveart@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Victor, > > > > > I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had > > > DCIS - > > > > I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving grace > > > there > > > > is that I did not have " big red " - Adramycin). My dr felt that I > > > > should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - > > > Immune > > > > Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh well, > > > if > > > > you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand > > that > > > > one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was invasive - > > I > > > > never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I have > > > > worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when he > > did > > > a > > > > thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one point > > > > (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced that I > > > > would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only > > making > > > > expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I have > > > had > > > > a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a while > > > to > > > > go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env > > > > > ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my supplements to > > > > where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, under > > > > control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking them > > > away. > > > > Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have you > > > asked > > > > for other references of people this gentleman has helped? When I > > > > talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that I > > > was, > > > > we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our > > > condition > > > > and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his > > rememdies > > > > were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one > > > > supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate (baking > > > soda > > > > in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that is > > > what I > > > > really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? She > > > > might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this is > > > > helpful. Janna > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > > " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, > > > but > > > > > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition > > is > > > > > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her > > > that > > > > it > > > > > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful > > > > treatment. > > > > > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files > > with > > > > her > > > > > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like > > > that > > > > about > > > > > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, > > > but > > > > she > > > > > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is > > > convinced > > > > > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is > > > > leary of > > > > > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " May " > > > <luellamay129@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Victor, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the > > > > Oleander > > > > > > > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. > > > > This is > > > > > > > an absolute painless way to take it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative > > > Victor. > > > > Let > > > > > > her > > > > > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are in my prayers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes > > when > > > > you > > > > > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > > > > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). > > Some > > > > prefer > > > > > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > > > > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way > > > the > > > > > > author > > > > > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and > > > mix > > > > > > half > > > > > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, > > > pomegranate > > > > > > juice, > > > > > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then > > > put > > > > half > > > > > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. > > > > Then, > > > > > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and > > swallow > > > > all at > > > > > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the > > > other > > > > > > half > > > > > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable > > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez > > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, > > > > anywhere, > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like > > > to > > > > > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if > > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what > > > I've > > > > seen > > > > > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, > > it > > > > all > > > > > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her > > > regimen. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good > > > news " > > > > > > > posts on the various groups, and many do > > > > > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the > > > > question > > > > > > > Victor > > > > > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is > > certainly > > > > worth > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > at any of the groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > > > > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read > > Oleander > > > > > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these > > > > methods. I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files > > > > Tab, I > > > > > > > invite > > > > > > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain > > how > > > > natural > > > > > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what > > exactly > > > > causes > > > > > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The > > > > word " cancer " > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading > > > these > > > > > > > articles > > > > > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support > > > and > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in > > > knowing > > > > > > about > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with > > > > cancer > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the > > > various > > > > > > > treatments > > > > > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous > > > messages, > > > > but > > > > > > > rarely > > > > > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty > > > > laborious > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, > > > but > > > > it > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly > > > what > > > > they > > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 The pictures of the advanced breast cancer case that I forwarded to Tony was of a lady who started the OPC oleander mix approximately 4 months after she was diagnosed. The size of the tumor at that stage was approximately like a baseball and she was given 6 months as a probable date before the cancer would spread throughout her body. At that time the tumor was protruding slightly from the breast as can be seen from the initial picture. She used the mix for a period of 12 months during which the tumor seemed to be trying to get out of her body. I had come to the conclusion that the effect of the oleander mix was to try and EXPEL the tumor from the body when it was bigger than a certain size and that it cannot destroy it. The mix (and probably the O.S. by itself) seems to be very effective in killing SMALL tumors and from preventing cancer from spreading. In the case of the woman with the breast tumor, it did not seem that the cancer was growing in size but that it was migrating to the exterior part of the breast. It was not reabsorbed by the body either. At one stage I also used ozone treatment directly on to the tumor for 60 sessions but it had no effect. By the time the tumor had grown to the final size shown in the pictures, I suggested that the lady visit a doctor friend who had been using the oleander mix for his cancer patients. He, in turn, referred her to an oncologist friend. When scans and other tests were done, the oncologist was surprised to find that in spite of the massive size of the tumor, the cancer had not spread anywhere else in the body. It was suggested that, due to the size and position of the tumor, radiation therapy (6 weeks x 1.5 minutes per day) be tried. The danger with radiation therapy, which disrupts the DNA of the cancer cell plus all the surrounding cells, is that it often results in later cancer from the radiation effect on the DNA of normal cells. However, I reasoned that the mix (or the O.S) should be able to control the new growths and that it was worth the risk. The final picture shows how the tumor "just melted away" as the oncologist subsequently remarked. This is one of the effects of using the oleander - it enhances the effectiveness of radiation. 18 months after starting the oleander treatment (combined with the final radiation on the external tumor), the lady was declared to be in remission. The pictures can also be viewed on my website (www.sutherlandiaopc.com) Marc Johannesburg - Tony oleander soup Monday, September 17, 2007 5:53 AM Re: Not the same The photos were furnished by South African researcher and SutherlandiaOPC patent holder Marc Swanepoel, who is a member of this group. Iwill notify him of your question and have him answer you directly hereon the forum if I can.Tonyoleander soup , "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001wrote:>> At which point was the OS introduced?> > oleander soup , "Tony" @> wrote:> >> > Apples and oranges between THAT cancer and the stage 1 or 0 ones we > > are talking about here in recent messages.> > > > What is alarming about those photos, from South Africa btw, is how > > far the cancer had advanced before oleander was introduced. The > > nipple had no chance and oleander had to essentially beat both the > > cancer and the damage from the chemo.> > > > The most impressive thing I know about oleander and breast cancer > is > > the oncologist in South Africa who now uses it herself as a > > preventive when she saw how successful it was on her patients that > > chemo and radiation could not help.> > > > Tony> > oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" > > <vmtz2001@> wrote:> > >> > > If you think bleeding from the nipple is something alarming, get > a > > > load of the pictures in the file section of this group of the > > woman > > > who beat breast cancer with Oleander, but totally lost her nipple > > > entirely. Her situation, before she got cured (as you perhaps > > know), > > > was far more alarming than simple bleeding,yet she stuck it out. > I > > > don't know that I would do that were I in her shoes, though. > > That's > > > what I have a problem with---taking such a big chance. There was > > > every indication it was getting worse, not better for the woman > in > > > those pictures. In fact she lost her nipple entirely. My wife has > > > even more reason to think she is doing better than that woman, > > Again, > > > I would rather she not take that chance, or try something that is > > > more widely known to work, like Oleander. My wife has every > reason > > to > > > think she's doing better because from January to June she went > > from > > > cancer in the lobules and ducts to cancer in the ducts only, in > > other > > > words, from invasive to non-invasive cancer, from stage 1 to > stage > > 0. > > > You say you had invasive cancer yet it was DCIS, I believe that > > DCIS > > > by definition is non-invasive. I do have my doubts as to whether > > the > > > doctor got us mixed up with another patient. As for the fact that > > you > > > didn't bleed, if you had a lumpoctomy, that would mean that it > was > > > rather small, so it's unlikely it would bleed.> > > > > > oleander soup , cr8iveart@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Victor,> > > > I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had > > DCIS - > > > I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving grace > > there > > > is that I did not have "big red" - Adramycin). My dr felt that I > > > should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - > > Immune > > > Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh well, > > if > > > you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand > that > > > one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was invasive - > I > > > never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I have > > > worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when he > did > > a > > > thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one point > > > (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced that I > > > would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only > making > > > expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I have > > had > > > a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a while > > to > > > go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env> > > > ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my supplements to > > > where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, under > > > control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking them > > away. > > > Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have you > > asked > > > for other references of people this gentleman has helped? When I > > > talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that I > > was, > > > we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our > > condition > > > and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his > rememdies > > > were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one > > > supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate (baking > > soda > > > in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that is > > what I > > > really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? She > > > might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this is > > > helpful. Janna> > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------> > > > "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001@>> > > > >> > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, > > but > > > > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition > is > > > > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her > > that > > > it > > > > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful > > > treatment. > > > > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files > with > > > her > > > > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like > > that > > > about > > > > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, > > but > > > she > > > > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is > > convinced > > > > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is > > > leary of > > > > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as > > well.> > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " May" > > <luellamay129@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Victor,> > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the > > > Oleander > > > > > > Soup" You can find the recipe in the article under files. > > > This is > > > > > > an absolute painless way to take it.> > > > > > > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative > > Victor. > > > Let > > > > > her > > > > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > You are in my prayers.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste> > > > > > > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes > when > > > you > > > > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > > > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). > Some > > > prefer > > > > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > > > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way > > the > > > > > author > > > > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and > > mix > > > > > half > > > > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, > > pomegranate > > > > > juice, > > > > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then > > put > > > half > > > > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. > > > Then, > > > > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and > swallow > > > all at > > > > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the > > other > > > > > half > > > > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable > > and > > > not > > > > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, > > > anywhere, > > > > > is > > > > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like > > to > > > > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if > > they > > > are > > > > > > cured. I used the word "if" with great hesitation as what > > I've > > > seen > > > > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, > it > > > all > > > > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her > > regimen. > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual "good > > news" > > > > > > posts on the various groups, and many do> > > > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the > > > question > > > > > > Victor> > > > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is > certainly > > > worth > > > > > > asking> > > > > > > at any of the groups.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RB> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May" luellamay129@> > > > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > To the left, click on "Files" and go down and read > Oleander> > > > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these > > > methods. I > > > > > am> > > > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files > > > Tab, I > > > > > > invite> > > > > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain > how > > > natural> > > > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what > exactly > > > causes> > > > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The > > > word "cancer" > > > > > > need> > > > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading > > these > > > > > > articles> > > > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support > > and > > > > > don't> > > > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > > > > Hugs,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" > > > <vmtz2001@>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in > > knowing > > > > > about > > > > > > all> > > > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with > > > cancer > > > > > > have> > > > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the > > various > > > > > > treatments> > > > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous > > messages, > > > but > > > > > > rarely> > > > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty > > > laborious > > > > > to> > > > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, > > but > > > it > > > > > > would be> > > > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly > > what > > > they > > > > > > did.> > > > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 I've tried all that I can. May <luellamay129 wrote: Victor, have you gone over the supplements she is taking with Tony? Adding oleander is so very important at this time and you can mask the taste with no problem. Victor, cancer is a very scary thing and her condition is even scarier. She may be going through some type of denial. Go over the supplements with Tony and he will know if there is any danger of reaction. If that were my spouse, I am afraid that after making sure that it did not interact with anything, I would insist they take it. I am praying for you too.Hugs,oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001 wrote:>> Thanks, Tony. That type of direct contact will be helpful, not so much in convincing me, as my wife.> > Tony wrote: The photos were furnished by South African researcher and Sutherlandia> OPC patent holder Marc Swanepoel, who is a member of this group. I> will notify him of your question and have him answer you directly here> on the forum if I can.> > Tony> > oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001@>> wrote:> >> > At which point was the OS introduced?> > > > oleander soup , "Tony" @> wrote:> > >> > > Apples and oranges between THAT cancer and the stage 1 or 0 ones we > > > are talking about here in recent messages.> > > > > > What is alarming about those photos, from South Africa btw, is how > > > far the cancer had advanced before oleander was introduced. The > > > nipple had no chance and oleander had to essentially beat both the > > > cancer and the damage from the chemo.> > > > > > The most impressive thing I know about oleander and breast cancer > > is > > > the oncologist in South Africa who now uses it herself as a > > > preventive when she saw how successful it was on her patients that > > > chemo and radiation could not help.> > > > > > Tony> > > oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" > > > <vmtz2001@> wrote:> > > >> > > > If you think bleeding from the nipple is something alarming, get > > a > > > > load of the pictures in the file section of this group of the > > > woman > > > > who beat breast cancer with Oleander, but totally lost her nipple > > > > entirely. Her situation, before she got cured (as you perhaps > > > know), > > > > was far more alarming than simple bleeding,yet she stuck it out. > > I > > > > don't know that I would do that were I in her shoes, though. > > > That's > > > > what I have a problem with---taking such a big chance. There was > > > > every indication it was getting worse, not better for the woman > > in > > > > those pictures. In fact she lost her nipple entirely. My wife has > > > > even more reason to think she is doing better than that woman, > > > Again, > > > > I would rather she not take that chance, or try something that is > > > > more widely known to work, like Oleander. My wife has every > > reason > > > to > > > > think she's doing better because from January to June she went > > > from > > > > cancer in the lobules and ducts to cancer in the ducts only, in > > > other > > > > words, from invasive to non-invasive cancer, from stage 1 to > > stage > > > 0. > > > > You say you had invasive cancer yet it was DCIS, I believe that > > > DCIS > > > > by definition is non-invasive. I do have my doubts as to whether > > > the > > > > doctor got us mixed up with another patient. As for the fact that > > > you > > > > didn't bleed, if you had a lumpoctomy, that would mean that it > > was > > > > rather small, so it's unlikely it would bleed.> > > > > > > > oleander soup , cr8iveart@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Victor,> > > > > I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had > > > DCIS - > > > > I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving grace > > > there > > > > is that I did not have "big red" - Adramycin). My dr felt that I > > > > should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - > > > Immune > > > > Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh well, > > > if > > > > you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand > > that > > > > one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was invasive - > > I > > > > never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I have > > > > worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when he > > did > > > a > > > > thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one point > > > > (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced that I > > > > would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only > > making > > > > expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I have > > > had > > > > a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a while > > > to > > > > go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env> > > > > ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my supplements to > > > > where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, under > > > > control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking them > > > away. > > > > Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have you > > > asked > > > > for other references of people this gentleman has helped? When I > > > > talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that I > > > was, > > > > we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our > > > condition > > > > and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his > > rememdies > > > > were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one > > > > supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate (baking > > > soda > > > > in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that is > > > what I > > > > really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? She > > > > might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this is > > > > helpful. Janna> > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------> > > > > "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001@>> > > > > >> > > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, > > > but > > > > > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition > > is > > > > > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her > > > that > > > > it > > > > > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful > > > > treatment. > > > > > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files > > with > > > > her > > > > > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like > > > that > > > > about > > > > > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, > > > but > > > > she > > > > > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is > > > convinced > > > > > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is > > > > leary of > > > > > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " May" > > > <luellamay129@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Victor,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the > > > > Oleander > > > > > > > Soup" You can find the recipe in the article under files. > > > > This is > > > > > > > an absolute painless way to take it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative > > > Victor. > > > > Let > > > > > > her > > > > > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are in my prayers.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes > > when > > > > you > > > > > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > > > > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). > > Some > > > > prefer > > > > > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > > > > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way > > > the > > > > > > author > > > > > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and > > > mix > > > > > > half > > > > > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, > > > pomegranate > > > > > > juice, > > > > > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then > > > put > > > > half > > > > > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. > > > > Then, > > > > > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and > > swallow > > > > all at > > > > > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the > > > other > > > > > > half > > > > > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable > > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez > > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, > > > > anywhere, > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like > > > to > > > > > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if > > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > cured. I used the word "if" with great hesitation as what > > > I've > > > > seen > > > > > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, > > it > > > > all > > > > > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her > > > regimen. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual "good > > > news" > > > > > > > posts on the various groups, and many do> > > > > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the > > > > question > > > > > > > Victor> > > > > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is > > certainly > > > > worth > > > > > > > asking> > > > > > > > at any of the groups.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RB> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May" luellamay129@> > > > > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > To the left, click on "Files" and go down and read > > Oleander> > > > > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these > > > > methods. I > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files > > > > Tab, I > > > > > > > invite> > > > > > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain > > how > > > > natural> > > > > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what > > exactly > > > > causes> > > > > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The > > > > word "cancer" > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading > > > these > > > > > > > articles> > > > > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support > > > and > > > > > > don't> > > > > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > > > > > Hugs,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" > > > > <vmtz2001@>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in > > > knowing > > > > > > about > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with > > > > cancer > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the > > > various > > > > > > > treatments> > > > > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous > > > messages, > > > > but > > > > > > > rarely> > > > > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty > > > > laborious > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, > > > but > > > > it > > > > > > > would be> > > > > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly > > > what > > > > they > > > > > > > did.> > > > > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 One can do no more than all they can do other than being supportive and praying. We will be here for you if you need us. oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001 wrote: > > I've tried all that I can. > > May <luellamay129 wrote: Victor, have you gone over the supplements she is taking with Tony? > Adding oleander is so very important at this time and you can mask > the taste with no problem. > > Victor, cancer is a very scary thing and her condition is even > scarier. She may be going through some type of denial. Go over the > supplements with Tony and he will know if there is any danger of > reaction. If that were my spouse, I am afraid that after making sure > that it did not interact with anything, I would insist they take it. > > I am praying for you too. > > Hugs, > > > oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001@> > wrote: > > > > Thanks, Tony. That type of direct contact will be helpful, not so > much in convincing me, as my wife. > > > > Tony @> wrote: The photos were furnished by > South African researcher and Sutherlandia > > OPC patent holder Marc Swanepoel, who is a member of this group. I > > will notify him of your question and have him answer you directly > here > > on the forum if I can. > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > wrote: > > > > > > At which point was the OS introduced? > > > > > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote: > > > > > > > > Apples and oranges between THAT cancer and the stage 1 or 0 > ones we > > > > are talking about here in recent messages. > > > > > > > > What is alarming about those photos, from South Africa btw, is > how > > > > far the cancer had advanced before oleander was introduced. The > > > > nipple had no chance and oleander had to essentially beat both > the > > > > cancer and the damage from the chemo. > > > > > > > > The most impressive thing I know about oleander and breast > cancer > > > is > > > > the oncologist in South Africa who now uses it herself as a > > > > preventive when she saw how successful it was on her patients > that > > > > chemo and radiation could not help. > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > > > > <vmtz2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If you think bleeding from the nipple is something alarming, > get > > > a > > > > > load of the pictures in the file section of this group of the > > > > woman > > > > > who beat breast cancer with Oleander, but totally lost her > nipple > > > > > entirely. Her situation, before she got cured (as you perhaps > > > > know), > > > > > was far more alarming than simple bleeding,yet she stuck it > out. > > > I > > > > > don't know that I would do that were I in her shoes, though. > > > > That's > > > > > what I have a problem with---taking such a big chance. There > was > > > > > every indication it was getting worse, not better for the > woman > > > in > > > > > those pictures. In fact she lost her nipple entirely. My wife > has > > > > > even more reason to think she is doing better than that > woman, > > > > Again, > > > > > I would rather she not take that chance, or try something > that is > > > > > more widely known to work, like Oleander. My wife has every > > > reason > > > > to > > > > > think she's doing better because from January to June she > went > > > > from > > > > > cancer in the lobules and ducts to cancer in the ducts only, > in > > > > other > > > > > words, from invasive to non-invasive cancer, from stage 1 to > > > stage > > > > 0. > > > > > You say you had invasive cancer yet it was DCIS, I believe > that > > > > DCIS > > > > > by definition is non-invasive. I do have my doubts as to > whether > > > > the > > > > > doctor got us mixed up with another patient. As for the fact > that > > > > you > > > > > didn't bleed, if you had a lumpoctomy, that would mean that > it > > > was > > > > > rather small, so it's unlikely it would bleed. > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , cr8iveart@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Victor, > > > > > > I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had > > > > DCIS - > > > > > I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving > grace > > > > there > > > > > is that I did not have " big red " - Adramycin). My dr felt > that I > > > > > should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - > > > > Immune > > > > > Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh > well, > > > > if > > > > > you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand > > > that > > > > > one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was > invasive - > > > I > > > > > never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I > have > > > > > worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when > he > > > did > > > > a > > > > > thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one > point > > > > > (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced > that I > > > > > would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only > > > making > > > > > expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I > have > > > > had > > > > > a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a > while > > > > to > > > > > go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env > > > > > > ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my > supplements to > > > > > where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, > under > > > > > control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking > them > > > > away. > > > > > Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have > you > > > > asked > > > > > for other references of people this gentleman has helped? > When I > > > > > talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that > I > > > > was, > > > > > we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our > > > > condition > > > > > and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his > > > rememdies > > > > > were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one > > > > > supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate > (baking > > > > soda > > > > > in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that > is > > > > what I > > > > > really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? > She > > > > > might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this > is > > > > > helpful. Janna > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > > > " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a > brief, > > > > but > > > > > > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her > condition > > > is > > > > > > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince > her > > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful > > > > > treatment. > > > > > > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files > > > with > > > > > her > > > > > > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things > like > > > > that > > > > > about > > > > > > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's > bleeding, > > > > but > > > > > she > > > > > > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is > > > > convinced > > > > > > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor > is > > > > > leary of > > > > > > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might > interfere,as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " May " > > > > <luellamay129@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Victor, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take > the > > > > > Oleander > > > > > > > > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under > files. > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > an absolute painless way to take it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative > > > > Victor. > > > > > Let > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are in my prayers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes > > > when > > > > > you > > > > > > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue > prior to > > > > > > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). > > > Some > > > > > prefer > > > > > > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup > or > > > > > > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The > way > > > > the > > > > > > > author > > > > > > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half > and > > > > mix > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, > > > > pomegranate > > > > > > > juice, > > > > > > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and > then > > > > put > > > > > half > > > > > > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to > swallow. > > > > > Then, > > > > > > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and > > > swallow > > > > > all at > > > > > > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and > the > > > > other > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be > noticeable > > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez > > > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, > > > > > anywhere, > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would > like > > > > to > > > > > > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and > if > > > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as > what > > > > I've > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my > case, > > > it > > > > > all > > > > > > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her > > > > regimen. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good > > > > news " > > > > > > > > posts on the various groups, and many do > > > > > > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, > the > > > > > question > > > > > > > > Victor > > > > > > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is > > > certainly > > > > > worth > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > at any of the groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > > > > > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read > > > Oleander > > > > > > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using > these > > > > > methods. I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the > Files > > > > > Tab, I > > > > > > > > invite > > > > > > > > > you to read all the various articles that will > explain > > > how > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what > > > exactly > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The > > > > > word " cancer " > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After > reading > > > > these > > > > > > > > articles > > > > > > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and > support > > > > and > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor > Martinez " > > > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in > > > > knowing > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people > with > > > > > cancer > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the > > > > various > > > > > > > > treatments > > > > > > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous > > > > messages, > > > > > but > > > > > > > > rarely > > > > > > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be > pretty > > > > > laborious > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these > groups, > > > > but > > > > > it > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know > exactly > > > > what > > > > > they > > > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Thanks for the information, Marc. It has been wonderful for me to hear of all of your successes in South Africa, and the group here appreciates your input and updates. I think that a better description might be that oleander helps a patient survive radiation, just as it does chemo. Often overlooked is the fact that oleander either eliminates or greatly reduces all known side effects of chemo and greatly relieves those of radiation. I understand that an oncologist is going to prescribe one of three methods almost exclusively: surgery, chemo or radiation. None of which cure the underlying causes, as you and I have agreed. If it were me, I would almost never opt for any of those three and would have tried inositol/IP6 for getting rid of the tumor, along with colloidal gold and coloidal silver and of course oleander. Recent indications from the man I wrote you about with the new generation Rife machine are that colloidal gold tends to encapsulate tumors and prevent spreading while the silver and other cancer fighters attack and eliminate the tumor - especially when used in conjunction with his water treatment and Rife machine. It will be interesting, to say the least, to continue to follow his progress. oleander soup , " Marc " <marcswan wrote: > > The pictures of the advanced breast cancer case that I forwarded to Tony was of a lady who started the OPC oleander mix approximately 4 months after she was diagnosed. The size of the tumor at that stage was approximately like a baseball and she was given 6 months as a probable date before the cancer would spread throughout her body. At that time the tumor was protruding slightly from the breast as can be seen from the initial picture. She used the mix for a period of 12 months during which the tumor seemed to be trying to get out of her body. > > I had come to the conclusion that the effect of the oleander mix was to try and EXPEL the tumor from the body when it was bigger than a certain size and that it cannot destroy it. The mix (and probably the O.S. by itself) seems to be very effective in killing SMALL tumors and from preventing cancer from spreading. In the case of the woman with the breast tumor, it did not seem that the cancer was growing in size but that it was migrating to the exterior part of the breast. It was not reabsorbed by the body either. At one stage I also used ozone treatment directly on to the tumor for 60 sessions but it had no effect. By the time the tumor had grown to the final size shown in the pictures, I suggested that the lady visit a doctor friend who had been using the oleander mix for his cancer patients. He, in turn, referred her to an oncologist friend. When scans and other tests were done, the oncologist was surprised to find that in spite of the massive size of the tumor, the cancer had not spread anywhere else in the body. It was suggested that, due to the size and position of the tumor, radiation therapy (6 weeks x 1.5 minutes per day) be tried. The danger with radiation therapy, which disrupts the DNA of the cancer cell plus all the surrounding cells, is that it often results in later cancer from the radiation effect on the DNA of normal cells. However, I reasoned that the mix (or the O.S) should be able to control the new growths and that it was worth the risk. The final picture shows how the tumor " just melted away " as the oncologist subsequently remarked. This is one of the effects of using the oleander - it enhances the effectiveness of radiation. 18 months after starting the oleander treatment (combined with the final radiation on the external tumor), the lady was declared to be in remission. > > The pictures can also be viewed on my website (www.sutherlandiaopc.com) > > Marc > Johannesburg > > > > - > > oleander soup > Monday, September 17, 2007 5:53 AM > Re: Not the same > > > The photos were furnished by South African researcher and Sutherlandia > OPC patent holder Marc Swanepoel, who is a member of this group. I > will notify him of your question and have him answer you directly here > on the forum if I can. > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > wrote: > > > > At which point was the OS introduced? > > > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote: > > > > > > Apples and oranges between THAT cancer and the stage 1 or 0 ones we > > > are talking about here in recent messages. > > > > > > What is alarming about those photos, from South Africa btw, is how > > > far the cancer had advanced before oleander was introduced. The > > > nipple had no chance and oleander had to essentially beat both the > > > cancer and the damage from the chemo. > > > > > > The most impressive thing I know about oleander and breast cancer > > is > > > the oncologist in South Africa who now uses it herself as a > > > preventive when she saw how successful it was on her patients that > > > chemo and radiation could not help. > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > > > <vmtz2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If you think bleeding from the nipple is something alarming, get > > a > > > > load of the pictures in the file section of this group of the > > > woman > > > > who beat breast cancer with Oleander, but totally lost her nipple > > > > entirely. Her situation, before she got cured (as you perhaps > > > know), > > > > was far more alarming than simple bleeding,yet she stuck it out. > > I > > > > don't know that I would do that were I in her shoes, though. > > > That's > > > > what I have a problem with---taking such a big chance. There was > > > > every indication it was getting worse, not better for the woman > > in > > > > those pictures. In fact she lost her nipple entirely. My wife has > > > > even more reason to think she is doing better than that woman, > > > Again, > > > > I would rather she not take that chance, or try something that is > > > > more widely known to work, like Oleander. My wife has every > > reason > > > to > > > > think she's doing better because from January to June she went > > > from > > > > cancer in the lobules and ducts to cancer in the ducts only, in > > > other > > > > words, from invasive to non-invasive cancer, from stage 1 to > > stage > > > 0. > > > > You say you had invasive cancer yet it was DCIS, I believe that > > > DCIS > > > > by definition is non-invasive. I do have my doubts as to whether > > > the > > > > doctor got us mixed up with another patient. As for the fact that > > > you > > > > didn't bleed, if you had a lumpoctomy, that would mean that it > > was > > > > rather small, so it's unlikely it would bleed. > > > > > > > > oleander soup , cr8iveart@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Victor, > > > > > I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had > > > DCIS - > > > > I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving grace > > > there > > > > is that I did not have " big red " - Adramycin). My dr felt that I > > > > should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - > > > Immune > > > > Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh well, > > > if > > > > you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand > > that > > > > one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was invasive - > > I > > > > never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I have > > > > worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when he > > did > > > a > > > > thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one point > > > > (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced that I > > > > would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only > > making > > > > expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I have > > > had > > > > a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a while > > > to > > > > go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env > > > > > ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my supplements to > > > > where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, under > > > > control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking them > > > away. > > > > Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have you > > > asked > > > > for other references of people this gentleman has helped? When I > > > > talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that I > > > was, > > > > we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our > > > condition > > > > and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his > > rememdies > > > > were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one > > > > supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate (baking > > > soda > > > > in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that is > > > what I > > > > really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? She > > > > might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this is > > > > helpful. Janna > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > > " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, > > > but > > > > > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition > > is > > > > > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her > > > that > > > > it > > > > > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful > > > > treatment. > > > > > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files > > with > > > > her > > > > > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like > > > that > > > > about > > > > > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, > > > but > > > > she > > > > > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is > > > convinced > > > > > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is > > > > leary of > > > > > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " May " > > > <luellamay129@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Victor, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the > > > > Oleander > > > > > > > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. > > > > This is > > > > > > > an absolute painless way to take it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative > > > Victor. > > > > Let > > > > > > her > > > > > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are in my prayers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes > > when > > > > you > > > > > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > > > > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). > > Some > > > > prefer > > > > > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > > > > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way > > > the > > > > > > author > > > > > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and > > > mix > > > > > > half > > > > > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, > > > pomegranate > > > > > > juice, > > > > > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then > > > put > > > > half > > > > > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. > > > > Then, > > > > > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and > > swallow > > > > all at > > > > > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the > > > other > > > > > > half > > > > > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable > > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez > > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, > > > > anywhere, > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like > > > to > > > > > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if > > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what > > > I've > > > > seen > > > > > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, > > it > > > > all > > > > > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her > > > regimen. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good > > > news " > > > > > > > posts on the various groups, and many do > > > > > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the > > > > question > > > > > > > Victor > > > > > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is > > certainly > > > > worth > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > at any of the groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > > > > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read > > Oleander > > > > > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these > > > > methods. I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files > > > > Tab, I > > > > > > > invite > > > > > > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain > > how > > > > natural > > > > > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what > > exactly > > > > causes > > > > > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The > > > > word " cancer " > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading > > > these > > > > > > > articles > > > > > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support > > > and > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in > > > knowing > > > > > > about > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with > > > > cancer > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the > > > various > > > > > > > treatments > > > > > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous > > > messages, > > > > but > > > > > > > rarely > > > > > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty > > > > laborious > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, > > > but > > > > it > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly > > > what > > > > they > > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Thanks Marc. So, am I correct in assuming that even after her starting the Oleander, the deterioration of the nipple continued until the cancer completely destroyed the nipple and then just disappeared? The reason I ask is that my wife refuses to take OS and instead is following another treatment by the German company -Heel. Her tumor is somewhat smaller and she did go from invasive lobular ductal to non-invasive DCIS. She is having a little bit of bleeding through the nipple that makes me doubt that it's working after all, yet the condition of that woman would have made anyone think she was not going to make it. Maybe that's the case with my wife? Maybe it's working its way out the way that woman's did? How can one possibly know and how did you not get alarmend and advocate her getting an operation. If I were that woman, I would have thought I wasn't making it. Marc <marcswan wrote: The pictures of the advanced breast cancer case that I forwarded to Tony was of a lady who started the OPC oleander mix approximately 4 months after she was diagnosed. The size of the tumor at that stage was approximately like a baseball and she was given 6 months as a probable date before the cancer would spread throughout her body. At that time the tumor was protruding slightly from the breast as can be seen from the initial picture. She used the mix for a period of 12 months during which the tumor seemed to be trying to get out of her body. I had come to the conclusion that the effect of the oleander mix was to try and EXPEL the tumor from the body when it was bigger than a certain size and that it cannot destroy it. The mix (and probably the O.S. by itself) seems to be very effective in killing SMALL tumors and from preventing cancer from spreading. In the case of the woman with the breast tumor, it did not seem that the cancer was growing in size but that it was migrating to the exterior part of the breast. It was not reabsorbed by the body either. At one stage I also used ozone treatment directly on to the tumor for 60 sessions but it had no effect. By the time the tumor had grown to the final size shown in the pictures, I suggested that the lady visit a doctor friend who had been using the oleander mix for his cancer patients. He, in turn, referred her to an oncologist friend. When scans and other tests were done, the oncologist was surprised to find that in spite of the massive size of the tumor, the cancer had not spread anywhere else in the body. It was suggested that, due to the size and position of the tumor, radiation therapy (6 weeks x 1.5 minutes per day) be tried. The danger with radiation therapy, which disrupts the DNA of the cancer cell plus all the surrounding cells, is that it often results in later cancer from the radiation effect on the DNA of normal cells. However, I reasoned that the mix (or the O.S) should be able to control the new growths and that it was worth the risk. The final picture shows how the tumor "just melted away" as the oncologist subsequently remarked. This is one of the effects of using the oleander - it enhances the effectiveness of radiation. 18 months after starting the oleander treatment (combined with the final radiation on the external tumor), the lady was declared to be in remission. The pictures can also be viewed on my website (www.sutherlandiaopc.com) Marc Johannesburg - Tony oleander soup Monday, September 17, 2007 5:53 AM Re: Not the same The photos were furnished by South African researcher and SutherlandiaOPC patent holder Marc Swanepoel, who is a member of this group. Iwill notify him of your question and have him answer you directly hereon the forum if I can.Tonyoleander soup , "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001wrote:>> At which point was the OS introduced?> > oleander soup , "Tony" @> wrote:> >> > Apples and oranges between THAT cancer and the stage 1 or 0 ones we > > are talking about here in recent messages.> > > > What is alarming about those photos, from South Africa btw, is how > > far the cancer had advanced before oleander was introduced. The > > nipple had no chance and oleander had to essentially beat both the > > cancer and the damage from the chemo.> > > > The most impressive thing I know about oleander and breast cancer > is > > the oncologist in South Africa who now uses it herself as a > > preventive when she saw how successful it was on her patients that > > chemo and radiation could not help.> > > > Tony> > oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" > > <vmtz2001@> wrote:> > >> > > If you think bleeding from the nipple is something alarming, get > a > > > load of the pictures in the file section of this group of the > > woman > > > who beat breast cancer with Oleander, but totally lost her nipple > > > entirely. Her situation, before she got cured (as you perhaps > > know), > > > was far more alarming than simple bleeding,yet she stuck it out. > I > > > don't know that I would do that were I in her shoes, though. > > That's > > > what I have a problem with---taking such a big chance. There was > > > every indication it was getting worse, not better for the woman > in > > > those pictures. In fact she lost her nipple entirely. My wife has > > > even more reason to think she is doing better than that woman, > > Again, > > > I would rather she not take that chance, or try something that is > > > more widely known to work, like Oleander. My wife has every > reason > > to > > > think she's doing better because from January to June she went > > from > > > cancer in the lobules and ducts to cancer in the ducts only, in > > other > > > words, from invasive to non-invasive cancer, from stage 1 to > stage > > 0. > > > You say you had invasive cancer yet it was DCIS, I believe that > > DCIS > > > by definition is non-invasive. I do have my doubts as to whether > > the > > > doctor got us mixed up with another patient. As for the fact that > > you > > > didn't bleed, if you had a lumpoctomy, that would mean that it > was > > > rather small, so it's unlikely it would bleed.> > > > > > oleander soup , cr8iveart@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Victor,> > > > I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had > > DCIS - > > > I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving grace > > there > > > is that I did not have "big red" - Adramycin). My dr felt that I > > > should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - > > Immune > > > Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh well, > > if > > > you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand > that > > > one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was invasive - > I > > > never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I have > > > worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when he > did > > a > > > thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one point > > > (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced that I > > > would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only > making > > > expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I have > > had > > > a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a while > > to > > > go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env> > > > ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my supplements to > > > where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, under > > > control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking them > > away. > > > Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have you > > asked > > > for other references of people this gentleman has helped? When I > > > talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that I > > was, > > > we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our > > condition > > > and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his > rememdies > > > were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one > > > supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate (baking > > soda > > > in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that is > > what I > > > really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? She > > > might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this is > > > helpful. Janna> > > > > > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------> > > > "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001@>> > > > >> > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, > > but > > > > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition > is > > > > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her > > that > > > it > > > > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful > > > treatment. > > > > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files > with > > > her > > > > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like > > that > > > about > > > > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, > > but > > > she > > > > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is > > convinced > > > > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is > > > leary of > > > > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as > > well.> > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " May" > > <luellamay129@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Victor,> > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the > > > Oleander > > > > > > Soup" You can find the recipe in the article under files. > > > This is > > > > > > an absolute painless way to take it.> > > > > > > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative > > Victor. > > > Let > > > > > her > > > > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > You are in my prayers.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste> > > > > > > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes > when > > > you > > > > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > > > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). > Some > > > prefer > > > > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > > > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way > > the > > > > > author > > > > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and > > mix > > > > > half > > > > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, > > pomegranate > > > > > juice, > > > > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then > > put > > > half > > > > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. > > > Then, > > > > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and > swallow > > > all at > > > > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the > > other > > > > > half > > > > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable > > and > > > not > > > > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez > > > <vmtz2001@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, > > > anywhere, > > > > > is > > > > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like > > to > > > > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if > > they > > > are > > > > > > cured. I used the word "if" with great hesitation as what > > I've > > > seen > > > > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, > it > > > all > > > > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her > > regimen. > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual "good > > news" > > > > > > posts on the various groups, and many do> > > > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the > > > question > > > > > > Victor> > > > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is > certainly > > > worth > > > > > > asking> > > > > > > at any of the groups.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RB> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May" luellamay129@> > > > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > To the left, click on "Files" and go down and read > Oleander> > > > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these > > > methods. I > > > > > am> > > > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files > > > Tab, I > > > > > > invite> > > > > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain > how > > > natural> > > > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what > exactly > > > causes> > > > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The > > > word "cancer" > > > > > > need> > > > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading > > these > > > > > > articles> > > > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support > > and > > > > > don't> > > > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > > > > Hugs,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" > > > <vmtz2001@>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in > > knowing > > > > > about > > > > > > all> > > > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with > > > cancer > > > > > > have> > > > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the > > various > > > > > > treatments> > > > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous > > messages, > > > but > > > > > > rarely> > > > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty > > > laborious > > > > > to> > > > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, > > but > > > it > > > > > > would be> > > > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly > > what > > > they > > > > > > did.> > > > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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