Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing about all these groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer have cured themselves with the various treatments in the various treatments mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, but rarely anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty laborious to check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but it would be awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what they did. That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > Thanks for the input, Robert. > > Cancercured is an enigma to me. It is a group I have joined and am > monitoring that does have some good info and some knowledgeable folks > - yet also has some info that is less than impressive too and an odd > track record. > > What puzzles me is that the group is years old and has pretty much lay > dormant with a small membership for a long time until very recently - > never exceeding 25 posts in a month and sometimes having almost no > posts at all. Lately, however, the group appears to have been > resurrected or rejuvenated. I credit your prolific posting for a lot > of their increase in membership and I hope that they develop into a > very good group that establishes a good track record. > > Speaking from personal experience here at this group, having you > spread the good word is quite effective and I appreciate your efforts. > > > > oleander soup , robert-blau@ wrote: > > > > A search over at healthy.net might be worth doing. They have a pretty > > comprehensive site. > > > > Posted by: " Tony " @ Fri Sep 14, > > 2007 8:43 pm ((PDT)) > > > > If anyone has any knowledge of natural and alternative treatments for > > multiple sclerosis, please let me know. I have been asked for help in > > another forum and really am at a loss beyond this advice I gave: > > > > The best suggestions I could make would be a good program of overall > > health, such as the one suggested for beating and avoiding cancer. In > > particular lots of raw vegetables, especially dark green ones, have been > > reported to be good for treating MD and removal of stress has been > > considered by many to be essential - just as it is for any medical > > conditions in my opinion. You might also consider using colloidal gold - > > there are many reports of gold being used against MD. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 A big AMEN to that. I have been taking cottage cheese and flax seed oil for "several years", I tried IP6 for a year, I tried the MSN/DSMO according to cancertutor.com, I exercise, I watch my diet, you name it, I've tried most things that I've come across. Especially at Cancertutor.com. I have prostate cancer. I've had it for about 7 years that I know of. I've had 4 biopsies over the past several years. My PSA has always been around 7 to 8. I'm going to get another PSA done in about a week or so and see if the oleander soup I've been taking for the past 6 weeks has done any good. OH, I've also been taking the black slave internally for the last several weeks along with the oleander soup. I have 6 more pea size "pills" to take to finish off my 30. I almost forgot, I'm also taking baking soda mixed with maple syrup every day. So I'm wondering when I can stop all of this and my prostate cancer is going to be gone if any one of these alternative medicines is going to work.? -"Victor Martinez" oleander soup Subject: Re: CancercuredSat, 15 Sep 2007 21:59:24 -0000 One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing about all these groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer have cured themselves with the various treatments in the various treatments mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, but rarely anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty laborious to check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but it would be awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what they did. That's just something that doesn't get discussed much.oleander soup , "Tony" wrote:>> Thanks for the input, Robert.> > Cancercured is an enigma to me. It is a group I have joined and am> monitoring that does have some good info and some knowledgeable folks> - yet also has some info that is less than impressive too and an odd> track record.> > What puzzles me is that the group is years old and has pretty much lay> dormant with a small membership for a long time until very recently -> never exceeding 25 posts in a month and sometimes having almost no> posts at all. Lately, however, the group appears to have been> resurrected or rejuvenated. I credit your prolific posting for a lot> of their increase in membership and I hope that they develop into a> very good group that establishes a good track record.> > Speaking from personal experience here at this group, having you> spread the good word is quite effective and I appreciate your efforts.> > Tony> > oleander soup , robert-blau@ wrote:> >> > A search over at healthy.net might be worth doing. They have a pretty> > comprehensive site.> > > > Posted by: "Tony" @ Fri Sep 14,> > 2007 8:43 pm ((PDT)) > > > > If anyone has any knowledge of natural and alternative treatments for> > multiple sclerosis, please let me know. I have been asked for help in> > another forum and really am at a loss beyond this advice I gave: > > > > The best suggestions I could make would be a good program of overall> > health, such as the one suggested for beating and avoiding cancer. In> > particular lots of raw vegetables, especially dark green ones, have been> > reported to be good for treating MD and removal of stress has been> > considered by many to be essential - just as it is for any medical> > conditions in my opinion. You might also consider using colloidal gold -> > there are many reports of gold being used against MD. > > > > Thanks, > > Tony> >> -- We've Got Your Name @ Mail.com !!! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Hi, To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read Oleander Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these methods. I am sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files Tab, I invite you to read all the various articles that will explain how natural healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly causes cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The word " cancer " need not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these articles you will have more understanding. In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and don't hesitate to ask any questions, Hugs, oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001 wrote: > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing about > all these groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer > have cured themselves with the various treatments in the various > treatments mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous > messages, but rarely anyone saying that they were cured. It would be > pretty laborious to check the thousands of messages in some of these > groups, but it would be awfully useful. And it would be useful to > know exactly what they did. That's just something that doesn't get > discussed much. > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the input, Robert. > > > > Cancercured is an enigma to me. It is a group I have joined and am > > monitoring that does have some good info and some knowledgeable > folks > > - yet also has some info that is less than impressive too and an odd > > track record. > > > > What puzzles me is that the group is years old and has pretty much > lay > > dormant with a small membership for a long time until very > recently - > > never exceeding 25 posts in a month and sometimes having almost no > > posts at all. Lately, however, the group appears to have been > > resurrected or rejuvenated. I credit your prolific posting for a > lot > > of their increase in membership and I hope that they develop into a > > very good group that establishes a good track record. > > > > Speaking from personal experience here at this group, having you > > spread the good word is quite effective and I appreciate your > efforts. > > > > > > > > oleander soup , robert-blau@ wrote: > > > > > > A search over at healthy.net might be worth doing. They have a > pretty > > > comprehensive site. > > > > > > Posted by: " Tony " @ Fri Sep 14, > > > 2007 8:43 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > > If anyone has any knowledge of natural and alternative treatments > for > > > multiple sclerosis, please let me know. I have been asked for > help in > > > another forum and really am at a loss beyond this advice I gave: > > > > > > The best suggestions I could make would be a good program of > overall > > > health, such as the one suggested for beating and avoiding > cancer. In > > > particular lots of raw vegetables, especially dark green ones, > have been > > > reported to be good for treating MD and removal of stress has been > > > considered by many to be essential - just as it is for any medical > > > conditions in my opinion. You might also consider using colloidal > gold - > > > there are many reports of gold being used against MD. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 One sees individual " good news " posts on the various groups, and many do have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the question Victor has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly worth asking at any of the groups. RB Posted by: " May " luellamay129 luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) Hi, To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read Oleander Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these methods. I am sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files Tab, I invite you to read all the various articles that will explain how natural healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly causes cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The word " cancer " need not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these articles you will have more understanding. In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and don't hesitate to ask any questions, Hugs, oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001 wrote: One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing about all these groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer have cured themselves with the various treatments in the various treatments mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, but rarely anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty laborious to check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but it would be awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what they did. That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, anywhere, is the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like to encourage members of this group to let us know when and if they are cured. I used the word "if" with great hesitation as what I've seen so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, it all depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her regimen. Thanks to all my new friends for their support through a hard time.robert-blau wrote: One sees individual "good news" posts on the various groups, and many dohave a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the question Victorhas posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly worth askingat any of the groups.RB Posted by: " May" luellamay129 luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) Hi, To the left, click on "Files" and go down and read OleanderTestimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these methods. I amsure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files Tab, I inviteyou to read all the various articles that will explain how naturalhealing works and will give you insight as to what exactly causescancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The word "cancer" neednot to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these articlesyou will have more understanding. In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and don'thesitate to ask any questions, Hugs, oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001wrote: One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing about allthese groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer havecured themselves with the various treatments in the various treatmentsmentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, but rarelyanyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty laborious tocheck the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but it would beawfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what they did.That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Victor, I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the Oleander Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. This is an absolute painless way to take it. Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative Victor. Let her read Dr. Goebel's response to you. You are in my prayers. Avoiding the Bitter Taste When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes when you swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). Some prefer to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way the author avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and mix half in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, pomegranate juice, blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then put half under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. Then, before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and swallow all at once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the other half of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable and not be unpleasant at all. oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001 wrote: > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, anywhere, is the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like to encourage members of this group to let us know when and if they are cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what I've seen so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, it all depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her regimen. Thanks to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > robert-blau wrote: One sees individual " good news " posts on the various groups, and many do > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the question Victor > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly worth asking > at any of the groups. > > RB > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129 > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > Hi, > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read Oleander > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these methods. I am > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files Tab, I invite > you to read all the various articles that will explain how natural > healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly causes > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The word " cancer " need > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these articles > you will have more understanding. > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and don't > hesitate to ask any questions, > Hugs, > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > wrote: > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing about all > these groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer have > cured themselves with the various treatments in the various treatments > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, but rarely > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty laborious to > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but it would be > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what they did. > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, but eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition is alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her that it wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful treatment. She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files with her when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like that about Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, but she has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is convinced it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is leary of her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as well. oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Victor, > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the Oleander > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. This is > an absolute painless way to take it. > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative Victor. Let her > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > You are in my prayers. > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes when you > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). Some prefer > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way the author > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and mix half > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, pomegranate juice, > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then put half > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. Then, > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and swallow all at > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the other half > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable and not > be unpleasant at all. > > > oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001@> > wrote: > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, anywhere, is > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like to > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if they are > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what I've seen > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, it all > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her regimen. Thanks > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good news " > posts on the various groups, and many do > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the question > Victor > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly worth > asking > > at any of the groups. > > > > RB > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > Hi, > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read Oleander > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these methods. I am > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files Tab, I > invite > > you to read all the various articles that will explain how natural > > healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly causes > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The word " cancer " > need > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these > articles > > you will have more understanding. > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and don't > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > Hugs, > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > wrote: > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing about > all > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer > have > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the various > treatments > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, but > rarely > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty laborious to > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but it > would be > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what they > did. > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Victor, I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had DCIS - I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving grace there is that I did not have " big red " - Adramycin). My dr felt that I should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - Immune Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh well, if you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand that one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was invasive - I never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I have worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when he did a thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one point (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced that I would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only making expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I have had a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a while to go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my supplements to where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, under control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking them away. Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have you asked for other references of people this gentleman has helped? When I talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that I was, we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our condition and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his rememdies were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that is what I really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? She might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this is helpful. Janna -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001 > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, but > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition is > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her that it > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful treatment. > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files with her > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like that about > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, but she > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is convinced > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is leary of > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as well. > > oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 > wrote: > > > > Victor, > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the Oleander > > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. This is > > an absolute painless way to take it. > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative Victor. Let > her > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > > > You are in my prayers. > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes when you > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). Some prefer > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way the > author > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and mix > half > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, pomegranate > juice, > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then put half > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. Then, > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and swallow all at > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the other > half > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable and not > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, anywhere, > is > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like to > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if they are > > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what I've seen > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, it all > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her regimen. > Thanks > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good news " > > posts on the various groups, and many do > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the question > > Victor > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly worth > > asking > > > at any of the groups. > > > > > > RB > > > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > Hi, > > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read Oleander > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these methods. I > am > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files Tab, I > > invite > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain how natural > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly causes > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The word " cancer " > > need > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these > > articles > > > you will have more understanding. > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and > don't > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > > wrote: > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing > about > > all > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer > > have > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the various > > treatments > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, but > > rarely > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty laborious > to > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but it > > would be > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what they > > did. > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 If you think bleeding from the nipple is something alarming, get a load of the pictures in the file section of this group of the woman who beat breast cancer with Oleander, but totally lost her nipple entirely. Her situation, before she got cured (as you perhaps know), was far more alarming than simple bleeding,yet she stuck it out. I don't know that I would do that were I in her shoes, though. That's what I have a problem with---taking such a big chance. There was every indication it was getting worse, not better for the woman in those pictures. In fact she lost her nipple entirely. My wife has even more reason to think she is doing better than that woman, Again, I would rather she not take that chance, or try something that is more widely known to work, like Oleander. My wife has every reason to think she's doing better because from January to June she went from cancer in the lobules and ducts to cancer in the ducts only, in other words, from invasive to non-invasive cancer, from stage 1 to stage 0. You say you had invasive cancer yet it was DCIS, I believe that DCIS by definition is non-invasive. I do have my doubts as to whether the doctor got us mixed up with another patient. As for the fact that you didn't bleed, if you had a lumpoctomy, that would mean that it was rather small, so it's unlikely it would bleed. oleander soup , cr8iveart wrote: > > Victor, > I had breast cancer seven years ago/almost eight now. I had DCIS - I had a lumpectomy, radiation and chemo (the only saving grace there is that I did not have " big red " - Adramycin). My dr felt that I should only be on the lowest dose possible (outside of IPT - Immune Potentiate Therapy (probably did not spell that right - oh well, if you have been reading about alternatives, you will understand that one). I NEVER bled. Even though they felt that it was invasive - I never had a bloody discharge from my nipple of any kind. I have worked with several homeopathic drs - left one because when he did a thermography test, his instrument was reading from only one point (false positive on those machines - 40%). He was convinced that I would never get well. My oncologist told me that I was only making expensive pee with my supplements, but I don't think that I have had a serious cold in over three years. It has taken me quite a while to go completely to organic, clean water, really clean env > ironment in my home, and no microwave and get my supplements to where I have acid reflux (partly caused by chemo, I think, under control). I keep adding things to my regimen - not taking them away. Eight months is a long time to be having a discharge. Have you asked for other references of people this gentleman has helped? When I talked with people who were seeing the first homeopathic that I was, we were all taking the extact same thing no matter what our condition and none of us were feeling that much better! All of his rememdies were packaged under his label. When I did my research on one supplement - it was a $10 bottle of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda in gelatin caps). Cheaper at the health food store, if that is what I really needed. Is there another homeopathic dr you could see? She might want to consider seeing someone else. I hope that this is helpful. Janna > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001 > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, but > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition is > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her that it > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful treatment. > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files with her > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like that about > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, but she > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is convinced > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is leary of > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as well. > > > > oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Victor, > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the Oleander > > > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. This is > > > an absolute painless way to take it. > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative Victor. Let > > her > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > > > > > You are in my prayers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes when you > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). Some prefer > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way the > > author > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and mix > > half > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, pomegranate > > juice, > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then put half > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. Then, > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and swallow all at > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the other > > half > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable and not > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, anywhere, > > is > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like to > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if they are > > > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what I've seen > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, it all > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her regimen. > > Thanks > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good news " > > > posts on the various groups, and many do > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the question > > > Victor > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly worth > > > asking > > > > at any of the groups. > > > > > > > > RB > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > Hi, > > > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read Oleander > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these methods. I > > am > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files Tab, I > > > invite > > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain how natural > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly causes > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The word " cancer " > > > need > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these > > > articles > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and > > don't > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > > > wrote: > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing > > about > > > all > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer > > > have > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the various > > > treatments > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, but > > > rarely > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty laborious > > to > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but it > > > would be > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what they > > > did. > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 What is she taking Victor? oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001 wrote: > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, but > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition is > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her that it > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful treatment. > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files with her > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like that about > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, but she > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is convinced > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is leary of > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as well. > > oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@> > wrote: > > > > Victor, > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the Oleander > > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. This is > > an absolute painless way to take it. > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative Victor. Let > her > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > > > You are in my prayers. > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes when you > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). Some prefer > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way the > author > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and mix > half > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, pomegranate > juice, > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then put half > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. Then, > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and swallow all at > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the other > half > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable and not > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, anywhere, > is > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like to > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if they are > > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what I've seen > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, it all > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her regimen. > Thanks > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good news " > > posts on the various groups, and many do > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the question > > Victor > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly worth > > asking > > > at any of the groups. > > > > > > RB > > > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > Hi, > > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read Oleander > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these methods. I > am > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files Tab, I > > invite > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain how natural > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly causes > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The word " cancer " > > need > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these > > articles > > > you will have more understanding. > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and > don't > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > > wrote: > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing > about > > all > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer > > have > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the various > > treatments > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, but > > rarely > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty laborious > to > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but it > > would be > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what they > > did. > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Victor - I assume you are here looking for help, so let me be frank: Exactly how long does your wife have to bleed off and on through her nipple before it becomes alarming? I understand your desire to see more testimonials - so would I. But a lot of people here followed me from CureZone and elsewhere to get overall information or to find information about oleander to pass on to those they advise and help treat. A lot the oleander users here are new - and many of the older ones have gone on with their lives and not hung around to testify - it isn't like this is an AA or NA group I guess, although I think that beating cancer is a lifetime project. I did not actually start the oleander soup group so much as ressurrect it, and shortly after I did I had to pretty much shut it down for several months. Why that hapened is an interesteing story: /mystory.htm Maybe the best testimonial of all for oleander is that I went throught all of that and still came back to spread the word and try to help save lives. BTW - Budwig was legit and flaxseed (freshly ground) and cottage cheese or yougurt are highly regarded far and wide - including here on this forum. Clarke, on the other hand, may have some good protccols for cleansing, but shw was caught red-handed being a charlatan, and so I reject her totally. Those who profit off others misery are inexcusable. Live long, live healthy, live happy! oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001 wrote: > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, but > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition is > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her that it > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful treatment. > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files with her > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like that about > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, but she > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is convinced > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is leary of > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as well. > > oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@> > wrote: > > > > Victor, > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the Oleander > > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. This is > > an absolute painless way to take it. > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative Victor. Let > her > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > > > You are in my prayers. > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes when you > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). Some prefer > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way the > author > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and mix > half > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, pomegranate > juice, > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then put half > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. Then, > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and swallow all at > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the other > half > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable and not > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, anywhere, > is > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like to > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if they are > > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what I've seen > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, it all > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her regimen. > Thanks > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good news " > > posts on the various groups, and many do > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the question > > Victor > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly worth > > asking > > > at any of the groups. > > > > > > RB > > > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > Hi, > > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read Oleander > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these methods. I > am > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files Tab, I > > invite > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain how natural > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly causes > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The word " cancer " > > need > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these > > articles > > > you will have more understanding. > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and > don't > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " <vmtz2001@> > > > wrote: > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing > about > > all > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer > > have > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the various > > treatments > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, but > > rarely > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty laborious > to > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but it > > would be > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what they > > did. > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Several medicines made by a company called -Heel out of Germany. They clean out the lymph system of metals among many other things. One of the medicines she is taking is carcinoma mammae, specifically for breast cancer. The company has been in business for around 50 years. All I can say is the tumor has shrunk. Again it went from invasive lobular ductal cancer to non-invasive DCIS (confined to the ducts)....though I'm not entirely sure. May <luellamay129 wrote: What is she taking Victor?oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001 wrote:>> Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, but > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition is > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her that it > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful treatment. > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files with her > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like that about > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, but she > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is convinced > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is leary of > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as well.> > oleander soup , " May" <luellamay129@> > wrote:> >> > Victor,> > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the Oleander > > Soup" You can find the recipe in the article under files. This is > > an absolute painless way to take it.> > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative Victor. Let > her > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you.> > > > You are in my prayers.> > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste> > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes when you > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). Some prefer > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way the > author > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and mix > half > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, pomegranate > juice, > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then put half > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. Then, > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and swallow all at > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the other > half > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable and not > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, anywhere, > is > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like to > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if they are > > cured. I used the word "if" with great hesitation as what I've seen > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, it all > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her regimen. > Thanks > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time.> > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual "good news" > > posts on the various groups, and many do> > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the question > > Victor> > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly worth > > asking> > > at any of the groups.> > > > > > RB> > > > > > Posted by: " May" luellamay129@> > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > Hi, > > > To the left, click on "Files" and go down and read Oleander> > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these methods. I > am> > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files Tab, I > > invite> > > you to read all the various articles that will explain how natural> > > healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly causes> > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The word "cancer" > > need> > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these > > articles> > > you will have more understanding. > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and > don't> > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > Hugs,> > > > > > > > > oleander soup , "Victor Martinez" <vmtz2001@>> > > wrote: > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing > about > > all> > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with cancer > > have> > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the various > > treatments> > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, but > > rarely> > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty laborious > to> > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but it > > would be> > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what they > > did.> > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much.> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 You don't have to convince me about OS. My point is that if you think bleeding is alarming, what about the woman in those pictures with the ulcerated red and yellow nipples who nonetheless got cured with OS? That surely involved bleeding. There was every indication she was getting worse from the looks of those pictures right up until she completely healed. I can't see myself doing that. I'd get it operated, but just as that woman had faith in her treatment, my wife with even more reason, has faith in hers. She did after all go from invasive to non invasive, stage 1 to stage 0. Not to question or knock OS. Personally, I think it's foolish to do what my wife is doing or that woman did. My interest in OS is because I just don't see anything on the internet about HEEL, plenty on Oleander. So, I agree that OS should be the course of action. Now, if it gets as bad as that woman in the pictures, I'd get it operated on. oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > Victor - > > I assume you are here looking for help, so let me be frank: Exactly > how long does your wife have to bleed off and on through her nipple > before it becomes alarming? > > I understand your desire to see more testimonials - so would I. But > a lot of people here followed me from CureZone and elsewhere to get > overall information or to find information about oleander to pass on > to those they advise and help treat. A lot the oleander users here > are new - and many of the older ones have gone on with their lives > and not hung around to testify - it isn't like this is an AA or NA > group I guess, although I think that beating cancer is a lifetime > project. > > I did not actually start the oleander soup group so much as > ressurrect it, and shortly after I did I had to pretty much shut it > down for several months. Why that hapened is an interesteing story: > > /mystory.htm > > Maybe the best testimonial of all for oleander is that I went > throught all of that and still came back to spread the word and try > to help save lives. > > BTW - Budwig was legit and flaxseed (freshly ground) and cottage > cheese or yougurt are highly regarded far and wide - including here > on this forum. Clarke, on the other hand, may have some good > protccols for cleansing, but shw was caught red-handed being a > charlatan, and so I reject her totally. Those who profit off others > misery are inexcusable. > > Live long, live healthy, live happy! > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > <vmtz2001@> wrote: > > > > Well, unfortunately, it would take a lot more than a brief, but > > eloquent response from Dr. Goebel saying that her condition is > > alarming and that she should take Oleander to convince her that it > > wouldn't interfere what she sees as an already successful > treatment. > > She would need to see a lot more. I will review the files with her > > when I get a chance, but she's used to reading things like that > about > > Budwig, Clark, etc. It may be alarming that she's bleeding, but > she > > has been bleeding off and on for the past 8 mos. and is convinced > > it's smaller. It doesn't help that her homeopathic doctor is leary > of > > her taking Oleander because he feels it might interfere,as well. > > > > oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Victor, > > > > > > I am going to copy and paste the painless way to take the > Oleander > > > Soup " You can find the recipe in the article under files. This > is > > > an absolute painless way to take it. > > > > > > Why would she not want to take it? It is imperative Victor. > Let > > her > > > read Dr. Goebel's response to you. > > > > > > You are in my prayers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoiding the Bitter Taste > > > > > > When you take the oleander soup, the bitter taste comes when you > > > swallow and not when you hold it under your tongue prior to > > > swallowing (there are no taste buds UNDER the tongue). Some > prefer > > > to flavor their soup with substances like pancake syrup or > > > concentrated grape seed extract (a good choice!). The way the > > author > > > avoids the bitter taste is to divide the dosage in half and mix > > half > > > in a glass of grape juice with grapeseed extract, pomegranate > > juice, > > > blueberry juice, acai juice, or some combination and then put > half > > > under the tongue and h old it there until time to swallow. > Then, > > > before you swallow, take a gulp of the juice mix and swallow all > at > > > once. You barely notice the bitterness this way, and the other > > half > > > of the dose is sufficiently diluted to barely be noticeable and > not > > > be unpleasant at all. > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , victor martinez <vmtz2001@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Actually, the most compelling news I've heard so far, > anywhere, > > is > > > the info. coming out of S. Africa on Oleander. I would like to > > > encourage members of this group to let us know when and if they > are > > > cured. I used the word " if " with great hesitation as what I've > seen > > > so far portends a great future for all of us. In my case, it all > > > depends if I convince my wife to add Oleander to her regimen. > > Thanks > > > to all my new friends for their support through a hard time. > > > > > > > > robert-blau@ wrote: One sees individual " good news " > > > posts on the various groups, and many do > > > > have a testimonials file in their file secion. Also, the > question > > > Victor > > > > has posed is periodically asked in posts, and is certainly > worth > > > asking > > > > at any of the groups. > > > > > > > > RB > > > > > > > > Posted by: " May " luellamay129@ > > > > luellamay129 Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > Hi, > > > > To the left, click on " Files " and go down and read Oleander > > > > Testimonials. Tony's uncle has been healed using these > methods. I > > am > > > > sure he will give you the actual details. Under the Files Tab, > I > > > invite > > > > you to read all the various articles that will explain how > natural > > > > healing works and will give you insight as to what exactly > causes > > > > cancer. It is not as frightening as you think. The > word " cancer " > > > need > > > > not to cause an automatic fear response. After reading these > > > articles > > > > you will have more understanding. > > > > In the meantime, welcome. We are hear to help and support and > > don't > > > > hesitate to ask any questions, > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Victor Martinez " > <vmtz2001@> > > > > wrote: > > > > One thing that I, personally, would be interested in knowing > > about > > > all > > > > these groups, including this one, is how many people with > cancer > > > have > > > > cured themselves with the various treatments in the various > > > treatments > > > > mentioned in these. I read all sorts of superfluous messages, > but > > > rarely > > > > anyone saying that they were cured. It would be pretty > laborious > > to > > > > check the thousands of messages in some of these groups, but > it > > > would be > > > > awfully useful. And it would be useful to know exactly what > they > > > did. > > > > That's just something that doesn't get discussed much. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Victor, You have more than one person praying for your wife and yourself. Were I your wife, I might consider surgical removal of some of the tumorous mass. Then again, I would not believe that surgery would rid me of the condition. With or without surgery, I would still use OS and a host of other supplementation. Heel is a good company. Homeopathy, like acupuncture, may be practiced expertly or by a dilettante. If you had a broken leg, you wouldn't count on acupuncture or homeopathy; you would get the bone set and cast. My concern here is that many supplements, acupuncture, and homeopathy are constitutional rememdies; that is they take time and modify the internal milieu of the body slowly. A bloody discharge is a sign to me to look at the strong remedies that work more quickly. OS, Pau D'arco, Essiac tea, Bitter Almonds, etc. are the stronger remedies; they are more likely to get a response to end a crisis stage. To me, a bloody discharge locates her still in the crisis stage. So if I were she, I would opt for the stronger remedies right now. After the bloody discharge stops and the tests show she has no active lesions at all, I would lean more toward the constitutional supplements. By the way, I have taken 1 tspn to 1 tbspn per day of OS for about 3 years. I use it everyday as a preventative. I had a PSA result that was higher than the safe range a few years ago. Since OS and prostate herbs, I have been in the normal range after the first few months of beginning the OS and herbal regimen. I am now 56. Along the way, I chose many things to " believe in " . My choice now is to believe in nothing but God. As for other things, like OS, my question was, " Do you know anyone this has worked for? " , to the gentleman who introduced me to OS. There is no substitute for experience. It proves some things and disproves others. Keeping an open mind, being practical in approach, and praying for guidance has been shown me through my experience to be superior to placing my faith in any system or teacher. I reiterate, you and your wife are in the prayers of many. May you be guided by the One well. Dr. Goebel ______________________________\ ____ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Thanks Michael, The problem she is having with surgery is that it would involve a total masectomy, but that doesn't compare to the threat of losing her life. Nonetheless, she is convinced in her doctor's treatment--even moreso than he. He suggests an operation. So go figure. Fortunately, she is following at least one of the aggressive treatments you recommend by way of a similar product to Essiac Tea, Floressence. I'm in a tough situation. There are indications that her treatment is working, but her saying, "I think it's working", is not good enough. I have to know it's working. All for a decorative lump of fat. It's not like it's her arm or an eye. I guess if she's not taking OS, and apparently she isn't, there's nothing left more me to say in this group. I'll give the floor to people who are. Michael Goebel <goebelchx wrote: Victor,You have more than one person praying for your wife and yourself.Were I your wife, I might consider surgical removal of some of thetumorous mass. Then again, I would not believe that surgery would ridme of the condition. With or without surgery, I would still use OS anda host of other supplementation.Heel is a good company. Homeopathy, like acupuncture, may bepracticed expertly or by a dilettante. If you had a broken leg, youwouldn't count on acupuncture or homeopathy; you would get the bone setand cast.My concern here is that many supplements, acupuncture, andhomeopathy are constitutional rememdies; that is they take time andmodify the internal milieu of the body slowly. A bloody discharge is a sign to me to look at the strong remediesthat work more quickly. OS, Pau D'arco, Essiac tea, Bitter Almonds,etc. are the stronger remedies; they are more likely to get a responseto end a crisis stage. To me, a bloody discharge locates her still inthe crisis stage. So if I were she, I would opt for the strongerremedies right now. After the bloody discharge stops and the testsshow she has no active lesions at all, I would lean more toward theconstitutional supplements.By the way, I have taken 1 tspn to 1 tbspn per day of OS for about 3years. I use it everyday as a preventative. I had a PSA result thatwas higher than the safe range a few years ago. Since OS and prostateherbs, I have been in the normal range after the first few months ofbeginning the OS and herbal regimen.I am now 56. Along the way, I chose many things to "believe in". Mychoice now is to believe in nothing but God. As for other things, likeOS, my question was, "Do you know anyone this has worked for?", to thegentleman who introduced me to OS.There is no substitute for experience. It proves some things anddisproves others. Keeping an open mind, being practical in approach,and praying for guidance has been shown me through my experience to besuperior to placing my faith in any system or teacher.I reiterate, you and your wife are in the prayers of many. May yoube guided by the One well.Dr. Goebel________Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out.http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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