It is those who believe chemo cures who are naive. New moderators appointed.

August 25, 2007

No, is 100% correct. It is those who believe mainstream

medicine's assertion the chemo or radiation cures who are naive.

Only the body and natur can cure. Merely treating symptoms and

proclaiming a cure because someone survives five years (even if the

cancer is still there or returned) is not a cure.

Sometimes my joke fall flat, but I would expect long time members to

be used to them. Just as I would expect members who have had me

defend them against attacks to be more supportive.

I am out of town for awhile. To help me with the group, I have

appointed Luealla as my first assistant moderator and, to his likely

suprise, Dr. G as my second assistant. Hopefully - between the two

of them, they will be able to keep you rowdy souls in line. Or at

least keep the fussing down. And for sure, keep mainstream

apologist posts down. This is not a mainstream support forum - it

is for those who seek help outside the mainstream system of managed

illness and side effect laden drug.

Live long, live healthy, live happy!

oleander soup , Preferred Customer

<commonsense2265 wrote:

>

> Leulla anyone that is naive enough to think that chemo has never

cured anyone is closed minded. I know a lot of folks alive today

because of it..Does it mean it is the best treatment, no it does

not, natural is always preferable...I also know people on both chemo

and natural and as a scientific fact did not respond to natural and

did not respond to chemo but a little chemo and tons of natural have

these people in remission.

> I know Tony jokes but sometimes under the guise of things said in

a joke hurt people...If you are joking then put it in parenthesis..I

presumed he was but there was a little bait in there too...So just

my 2 cents Janice

>

> May <luellamay129

wrote:

>

> Janice, what do you mean? You know Tony's sense of humor and you

know Tony was not making fun of anybody that has a lot of money or

that has cancer. He was kidding. I am so sorry that Mervyn took it

wrong. And I am so sorry that he left. Tony is too. He was in no

way downgrading anybody. You know Tony wouldn't do this.

>

> One thing that I personally don't understand is how can you

defend chemo in any form? It is totally against the purpose of this

forum and totally against what Tony believes. This is an oleander

forum using his cancer protocol that he has worked so very hard on

and it does work. He had nothing against the maroon bush except the

cost. And that is because he is looking out for all of you. I read

a post that said that he had researched the maroon bush and if there

was a way to get a hold of it and make it from scratch he would do

that too.

>

> It would be so very easy for him to tell everybody to buy the

Oleander remedy for $99.00 and go from there. But no, he has gone

out of his way to share with us how to make it for free so that we

might get well, or for those that are healthy to stay healthy.

>

> When it comes to mainstream medicine. No, there are not two

sides to every story. Chemo will destroy organs and wreck the

immune system. If a remission occurs, the cancer does return. I

personally can understand that someone with cancer would be afraid

to try something natural after having grown up with mainstream

medicine. But please listen to me! Cancer cannot exist in a body

that is perfectly alkalined. It is impossible. With my own eyes I

have seen people with only months to live become cancer free never

for it to return by becoming perfectly alkalined and living a

healthy lifestyle from then on. I don't believe for a second that

any form of mainstream medicine works. It is a bandaid. He does

this out of love for everybody.

>

> I have just finished talking with a lady who has just been

diagnosed with colon cancer. I was about to send her here. After

seeing this post, especially defending mainstream medicine, there is

no way I can refer her to this forum. What's the point? There is

bickering and all together a very uneasy atmosphere.

>

> Please Janice. Tony would never hurt anybody, you know that.

However, if someone does attack him or his methods that he has

worked so long to fine tune, yes he will defend himself. And I will

defend him too.

>

> His life consists of caring for people with cancer. He works all

day, sometimes round the clock on this. He doesn't have a life.

There are times that he will just lie down out of sheer exhaustion

or he has to go into town to get something.

>

> As we speak he is at a health trade show for a few days. After

that he is going to get much needed R & R.

> Then he will be back.

>

> Please. We have misunderstandings all around. Let's stop. And

maybe Tony won't be able to kid around anymore. I am dreadfully

sorry and I know he is too.

>

> Love and Hugs,

>

> May

>

> Preferred Customer <commonsense2265

> oleander soup

> Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:44:20 PM

> Re: Re: Must be rough

>

> Tony, I think it unhealthy to downgrade people because they

have money..There are those that do a lot of good with their extra

$$ there is nothing wrong in making money from one's knowledge, iti

s done all the time...But knocking Mervyn for having been perceived

as having money is a negative energy. Mervyn put me onto the

Oleander and I have purchased your book for someone in need, plus I

know that a chemo/chemical has been made from Oleander thta is used

to treat cancer so there are always 2 sides to a story.. I know some

people have been helped because the cost is low but the tonic I take

for keeping my cancer at bay is not cheap either but it works, it is

an individual thing..thanks Janice..

> Tony > wrote:

> I am sorry that you have such a point of view and you missed my

> attempt at humor, Mervyn. I would think that such a longtime forum

> member would know me well enough to know that I poke harmless fun

from

> time to time - or at least that is my intention.

>

> A great many people who suffer from cancer do not have property in

> Bali, nor a few million dollars on the side. Some of them have had

> their finances exhausted by mainstream medicine, even to the point

of

> having to sell their homes and live in a trailer. In many such

> instances I have given my book away for free. And is some instances

> have arranged to have fairly expensive medicine sent to them free

of

> charge - about $3000 worth apiece.

>

> So, when I see something that costs a great deal of money, I remind

> each and everyone that there are less expensive alternatives. In no

> way am I putting down the maroon bush and I will certainly do what

I

> can to find out more about it. If, as you say, it can be made at

home

> like oleander soup, that is wonderful. And I sincerely do hope you

> keep us posted on information about the Maroon Bush. But otherwise

I

> find $255 for 45 days worth of tea a bit excessive.

>

> Now, as to my income from my book - I doubt that half a dozen

people

> in this forum have bought the book because of this forum - a great

> many members here came to this forum after buying the book because

the

> thank you email they receive includes an invitation.

>

> And, as for my whopping affiliate income from Utopia Silver - yes

I do

> make a few percent, when someone goes there by my affiliate link. I

> think my total affiliate sales so far have been about $150 from all

> sources, less than a third of which has come from the members of

this

> forum. Just like the sales of my book, this forum's contribution to

> my income is minuscule.

>

> What I did do was make arrangements for members here to get a 15%

> discount on any non-sale items at Utopia Silver, and I recommended

the

> company because I have known the owner since the second grade, know

> that his unique method he invented produces the best colloidal

silver

> on the planet, and also know about the other products they sell -

some

> of which he is adding at my recommendations.

>

> If you think for a minute that I am here to make money off book and

> affiliate sales, I suggest that you go back to the very first page

and

> look at my posts one by one, then go the file section and look at

the

> files I have added to this forum, and to the links and photos - and

> then you tell me - Have I done all of this for the past three

years to

> make about $100 bucks.

>

> You are also very badly mistaken in saying that there is only one

> person here who has posted about successfully using oleander to rid

> themselves of cancer or other conditions. Again, you need to go

back

> and look at the posts.

>

> Maybe you are just having a bad day? That is what I am going to

chalk

> your post up to. This time.

>

> >

> it comes from made special arrangements and I have made arra

>

> oleander soup, " evitachristanty "

> <evitachristanty@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > -It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is

about

> > another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to

expensive an

> > made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by

any

> > person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the

> > usa ,but americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i

also

> > find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I

told a

> > bit about a persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he

still

> > has cancer ,I think a bit of care would be better instead of

poking

> > fun ,.

> > you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give

you

> > a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one

personal

> > posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves

in

> > this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem

with

> > that as it is very hard for someone to say my doctor is wrong an

try

> > somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to

try

> > somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be

99.99%

> > chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa

cure

> > sucess ,but no personal results ,.

> > so I in no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a

> > great aid ,.

> > Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw ,

> > how much money are you making through your books ,commission on

> > silver etc through this forum ,.

> >

> > mervyn -- In oleander soup, " Tony " @>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish

> > (crawfish

> > > in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going

back and

> > > forth to Australia, having a few million . . .

> > >

> > > Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist

who

> > loves

> > > crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm

only

> > > lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish

> > > oleander soup, " evitachristanty "

> > > <evitachristanty@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to

him

> > > > etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even

know how

> > to

> > > > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer

etc ,he

> > did

> > > > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he

tried

> > the

> > > > maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian

said

> > he

> > > > had one off those things on the computer I have a letter

with it

> > on ,

> > > > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of

computers or

> > how

> > > > to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a

few

> > > > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .--- In

> > > > oleander soup, Preferred Customer

> > > > <commonsense2265@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly

site

> > ok..I

> > > > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step

and

> > broke

> > > > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in

> > Sept..Take

> > > > care Janice

> > > > >

> > > > > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@ >

> > > > wrote: I met a guy called brian

> > at

> > > > my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a

> > > > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat

> > liquids

> > > > with

> > > > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush

fruit

> > > > called

> > > > > maroon bush ,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the

webb

> > in

> > > > tea

> > > > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian

ate

> > the

> > > > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to

transport ,.but

> > > > they

> > > > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around

> > where I

> > > > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as

well ,hold

> > a

> > > > lot

> > > > > of promise ,.

> > > > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss

the

> > chance

> > > > of

> > > > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still

drinks a

> > lot

> > > > of

> > > > > beer I wont follow him on that

> > > > > Mervyn

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

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> > > > FareChase.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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August 25, 2007

HEY- HEY HEY Mister who do you call maistream apologist eh who? i just sad let it go thats it

and i still say you look good i show you picture on onother site and i thought to myself i know this person and sure enough it was you good on you fela ( if i was yeanger and you older?

this is a joke mister

regards Mary

-

Tony

oleander soup

Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:21 PM

It is those who believe chemo cures who are naive. New moderators appointed.

No, is 100% correct. It is those who believe mainstream medicine's assertion the chemo or radiation cures who are naive. Only the body and natur can cure. Merely treating symptoms and proclaiming a cure because someone survives five years (even if the cancer is still there or returned) is not a cure.Sometimes my joke fall flat, but I would expect long time members to be used to them. Just as I would expect members who have had me defend them against attacks to be more supportive.I am out of town for awhile. To help me with the group, I have appointed Luealla as my first assistant moderator and, to his likely suprise, Dr. G as my second assistant. Hopefully - between the two of them, they will be able to keep you rowdy souls in line. Or at least keep the fussing down. And for sure, keep mainstream apologist posts down. This is not a mainstream support forum - it is for those who seek help outside the mainstream system of managed illness and side effect laden drug.Live long, live healthy, live happy!Tonyoleander soup , Preferred Customer <commonsense2265 wrote:>> Leulla anyone that is naive enough to think that chemo has never cured anyone is closed minded. I know a lot of folks alive today because of it..Does it mean it is the best treatment, no it does not, natural is always preferable...I also know people on both chemo and natural and as a scientific fact did not respond to natural and did not respond to chemo but a little chemo and tons of natural have these people in remission.> I know Tony jokes but sometimes under the guise of things said in a joke hurt people...If you are joking then put it in parenthesis..I presumed he was but there was a little bait in there too...So just my 2 cents Janice> > May <luellamay129 wrote: > > Janice, what do you mean? You know Tony's sense of humor and you know Tony was not making fun of anybody that has a lot of money or that has cancer. He was kidding. I am so sorry that Mervyn took it wrong. And I am so sorry that he left. Tony is too. He was in no way downgrading anybody. You know Tony wouldn't do this.> > One thing that I personally don't understand is how can you defend chemo in any form? It is totally against the purpose of this forum and totally against what Tony believes. This is an oleander forum using his cancer protocol that he has worked so very hard on and it does work. He had nothing against the maroon bush except the cost. And that is because he is looking out for all of you. I read a post that said that he had researched the maroon bush and if there was a way to get a hold of it and make it from scratch he would do that too. > > It would be so very easy for him to tell everybody to buy the Oleander remedy for $99.00 and go from there. But no, he has gone out of his way to share with us how to make it for free so that we might get well, or for those that are healthy to stay healthy.> > When it comes to mainstream medicine. No, there are not two sides to every story. Chemo will destroy organs and wreck the immune system. If a remission occurs, the cancer does return. I personally can understand that someone with cancer would be afraid to try something natural after having grown up with mainstream medicine. But please listen to me! Cancer cannot exist in a body that is perfectly alkalined. It is impossible. With my own eyes I have seen people with only months to live become cancer free never for it to return by becoming perfectly alkalined and living a healthy lifestyle from then on. I don't believe for a second that any form of mainstream medicine works. It is a bandaid. He does this out of love for everybody. > > I have just finished talking with a lady who has just been diagnosed with colon cancer. I was about to send her here. After seeing this post, especially defending mainstream medicine, there is no way I can refer her to this forum. What's the point? There is bickering and all together a very uneasy atmosphere.> > Please Janice. Tony would never hurt anybody, you know that. However, if someone does attack him or his methods that he has worked so long to fine tune, yes he will defend himself. And I will defend him too. > > His life consists of caring for people with cancer. He works all day, sometimes round the clock on this. He doesn't have a life. There are times that he will just lie down out of sheer exhaustion or he has to go into town to get something.> > As we speak he is at a health trade show for a few days. After that he is going to get much needed R & R. > Then he will be back.> > Please. We have misunderstandings all around. Let's stop. And maybe Tony won't be able to kid around anymore. I am dreadfully sorry and I know he is too.> > Love and Hugs,> > > May> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preferred Customer <commonsense2265> oleander soup > Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:44:20 PM> Re: Re: Must be rough> > Tony, I think it unhealthy to downgrade people because they have money..There are those that do a lot of good with their extra $$ there is nothing wrong in making money from one's knowledge, iti s done all the time...But knocking Mervyn for having been perceived as having money is a negative energy. Mervyn put me onto the Oleander and I have purchased your book for someone in need, plus I know that a chemo/chemical has been made from Oleander thta is used to treat cancer so there are always 2 sides to a story.. I know some people have been helped because the cost is low but the tonic I take for keeping my cancer at bay is not cheap either but it works, it is an individual thing..thanks Janice..> Tony > wrote: > I am sorry that you have such a point of view and you missed my> attempt at humor, Mervyn. I would think that such a longtime forum> member would know me well enough to know that I poke harmless fun from> time to time - or at least that is my intention.> > A great many people who suffer from cancer do not have property in> Bali, nor a few million dollars on the side. Some of them have had> their finances exhausted by mainstream medicine, even to the point of> having to sell their homes and live in a trailer. In many such> instances I have given my book away for free. And is some instances> have arranged to have fairly expensive medicine sent to them free of> charge - about $3000 worth apiece.> > So, when I see something that costs a great deal of money, I remind> each and everyone that there are less expensive alternatives. In no> way am I putting down the maroon bush and I will certainly do what I> can to find out more about it. If, as you say, it can be made at home> like oleander soup, that is wonderful. And I sincerely do hope you> keep us posted on information about the Maroon Bush. But otherwise I> find $255 for 45 days worth of tea a bit excessive.> > Now, as to my income from my book - I doubt that half a dozen people> in this forum have bought the book because of this forum - a great> many members here came to this forum after buying the book because the> thank you email they receive includes an invitation.> > And, as for my whopping affiliate income from Utopia Silver - yes I do> make a few percent, when someone goes there by my affiliate link. I> think my total affiliate sales so far have been about $150 from all> sources, less than a third of which has come from the members of this> forum. Just like the sales of my book, this forum's contribution to> my income is minuscule.> > What I did do was make arrangements for members here to get a 15%> discount on any non-sale items at Utopia Silver, and I recommended the> company because I have known the owner since the second grade, know> that his unique method he invented produces the best colloidal silver> on the planet, and also know about the other products they sell - some> of which he is adding at my recommendations.> > If you think for a minute that I am here to make money off book and> affiliate sales, I suggest that you go back to the very first page and> look at my posts one by one, then go the file section and look at the> files I have added to this forum, and to the links and photos - and> then you tell me - Have I done all of this for the past three years to> make about $100 bucks.> > You are also very badly mistaken in saying that there is only one> person here who has posted about successfully using oleander to rid> themselves of cancer or other conditions. Again, you need to go back> and look at the posts.> > Maybe you are just having a bad day? That is what I am going to chalk> your post up to. This time.> > Tony> > it comes from made special arrangements and I have made arra> > oleander soup, "evitachristanty"> <evitachristanty@ ...> wrote:> >> > -It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is about > > another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to expensive an > > made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by any > > person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the > > usa ,but americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i also > > find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I told a > > bit about a persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he still > > has cancer ,I think a bit of care would be better instead of poking > > fun ,.> > you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give you > > a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one personal > > posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves in > > this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem with > > that as it is very hard for someone to say my doctor is wrong an try > > somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to try > > somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be 99.99%> > chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa cure > > sucess ,but no personal results ,.> > so I in no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a > > great aid ,.> > Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw ,> > how much money are you making through your books ,commission on > > silver etc through this forum ,.> > > > mervyn -- In oleander soup, "Tony" @> > > wrote:> > >> > > Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish > > (crawfish> > > in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going back and> > > forth to Australia, having a few million . . .> > > > > > Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who > > loves> > > crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm only> > > lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol> > > > > > Tony> > > > > > aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish> > > oleander soup, "evitachristanty"> > > <evitachristanty@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to him > > > > etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know how > > to > > > > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer etc ,he > > did > > > > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he tried > > the > > > > maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian said > > he > > > > had one off those things on the computer I have a letter with it > > on , > > > > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers or > > how > > > > to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a few > > > > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .> > > > oleander soup, Preferred Customer > > > > <commonsense2265@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly site > > ok..I > > > > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step and > > broke > > > > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in > > Sept..Take > > > > care Janice> > > > > > > > > > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@ > > > > > wrote: I met a guy called brian > > at > > > > my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a > > > > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat > > liquids > > > > with > > > > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush fruit > > > > called > > > > > maroon bush ,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the webb > > in > > > > tea > > > > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian ate > > the > > > > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to transport ,.but > > > > they > > > > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around > > where I > > > > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as well ,hold > > a > > > > lot > > > > > of promise ,.> > > > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the > > chance > > > > of > > > > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still drinks a > > lot > > > > of > > > > > beer I wont follow him on that > > > > > Mervyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels > > with > > > > FareChase.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase.>