Chemo Cures

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I have a friend, a physician, who did a search of records.

 

After four years, he concluded that there is not ONE case on record of a woman being cured of breast cancer using chemotherapy only.

 

Anyone have a different take?

 

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In a message dated 8/24/2007 12:00:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ahzoov writes:

 

 

 

 

 

I have a friend, a physician, who did a search of records.

 

After four years, he concluded that there is not ONE case on record of a woman being cured of breast cancer using chemotherapy only.

 

Anyone have a different take?

 

David

 

My cousin had breast cancer with chemo about 15 years ago. She seems to be in ok health.

 

She doesn't know anything about alternatives so therefore I know she only used the above route.

 

Edith

 

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In a message dated 8/24/2007 12:24:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ejohns9525 writes:

 

My cousin had breast cancer with chemo about 15 years ago. She seems to be in ok health.

 

She doesn't know anything about alternatives so therefore I know she only used the above route.

 

Edith

 

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Nope, I don't have a different take and I have heard of the same thing.

 

 

 

"ejohns9525" <ejohns9525oleander soup Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:18:45 PMRe: Chemo Cures

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/24/2007 12:00:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ahzoov writes:

 

 

 

 

 

I have a friend, a physician, who did a search of records.

 

After four years, he concluded that there is not ONE case on record of a woman being cured of breast cancer using chemotherapy only.

 

Anyone have a different take?

 

David

 

My cousin had breast cancer with chemo about 15 years ago. She seems to be in ok health.

 

She doesn't know anything about alternatives so therefore I know she only used the above route.

 

Edith

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 8/24/2007 2:14:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ahzoov writes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/24/2007 12:24:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ejohns9525 (AT) aol (DOT) com writes:

 

My cousin had breast cancer with chemo about 15 years ago. She seems to be in ok health.

 

She doesn't know anything about alternatives so therefore I know she only used the above route.

 

Edith

 

Was chemo her ONLY medical intervention? did she have surgery or radiation with it?

 

After I wrote that I thought maybe she did have the one breast removed. I had to call my Mom

for the info. Yes, she had one breast removed and chemo. Mom said it had been 24

years & that she goes to MD Anderson for an annual check up.

 

I am by no means agreeing with chemo. My sister-in-law had breast cancer. Had one breast removed

and chemo. In 2 years it was back (I'm sure it never left). She asked me to help. I located organic

carrots etc for her and made her Essiac tea & introduced her to a ND friend of mine via telephone.

He had her doing many things. The greatest one was oxygen via IV. Her brother was an

RN so he had that covered. I met her in high school but she looked healthier at this time than in all of the years I knew her. Her family was not supportive (only this RN brother was) and she crushed

under the load of negativity went back to chemo. Soon after her chemo treatments started,

my brother (her husband) discovered he had cancer in his bladder. He had suregery and died

within 6 months of his diagnosis. She had chemo treatments weekly until she died 6 months after

him. She was 54.

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Also what medications is she taking now?

 

oleander soup , ahzoov wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 8/24/2007 12:24:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> ejohns9525 writes:

>

> My cousin had breast cancer with chemo about 15 years ago. She

seems to be

> in ok health.

>

> She doesn't know anything about alternatives so therefore I know

she only

> used the above route.

>

> Edith

>

>

>

> Was chemo her ONLY medical intervention? did she have surgery or

radiation

> with it?

>

>

>

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new AOL at

> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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Just thought I would throw out my

thoughts. Who works on Friday afternoon anyway? No one in Houston---just

check the freeways. J

 

Being a cancer survivor, I have done so

much research that sometimes, literally, my head hurts. LOL! I am sure there

are many on this list that can relate. J

 

I think that maybe we need to get away

from using the terms cure and remission. Just as when a person gets well

from the flu or a stomach bug we don’t say they are cured or in remission,

possibly we should do the same for cancer. With the flu, etc. we know

that the person gets well, however; will they get the flu again? Most

probably as once you have a virus you will always have that virus. It has

been stated that a virus can live for 100 years on dirt. What brings a

virus back to life---the terrain.

 

I think that with cancer, realizing that

everyone has cancer cells in their body every day, it’s more about the

terrain. Even Louis Pasteur eventually realized this about his germ

theory. While writing

her award-winning doctoral dissertation in 1984, French pharmacist Marie

Nonclercq, came across an unidentified book on the history of medicine In

this book she read that, on his death bed, Louis Pasteur declared... " Claude

Bernard was right... the microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything "

You

see, when we put the responsibility for illness on something like a germ, then

it takes all responsibility from us which then allows us to put blind trust and

faith in those that “have been trained” to know more about germs

than we do---the medical community. However, we need to understand and

teach others that no one is responsible for our health or lack of it, but us.

We must learn to take on this responsibility because not only does it empower

but we soon come to the realization that no one cares as much about us being

well as we do! We soon realize that the answers are out their and available

AND this in turn fosters HOPE which every needs in order to get well.

 

Killing cancer cells is not what

it should be about. Just as killing germs is not what it is about.

We need to be more concerned with the terrain of the body so that it cannot or

will not be hospitable to cancer cells taking hold. Chemo kills anything

that is fast growing and this is why people lose their hair, eyebrows and most

of all the epithelial lining of the digestive tract which happens to be where

80% of the immune system is located! The one system that God gave us to

help fight off illness and we (conventional medicine) decide that it’s

really of no use. Oh…how smart we have become! NOT!

 

Just killing cancer cells will never

make anyone well. It may “seem” to control for a while but

eventually the cells will become immune to the “killer” and will

find ways to continue to multiply. The blood tests that are now performed

to see if cancer is present are just not reliable. Even on the lab sheet

of every cancer marker test there is the disclaimer that this test should not

be used in a manner to detect or diagnose cancer. Biopsies are not great

either (besides the fact that they can promote cancer) because the

interpretation is in the hands of the pathologist AND they are always told to

err on the side of “caution.” So there is the possibility that

a person may be border line or really not have cancer but yet because it is “close”

they are told that cancer is present. Possibly this is why some people “seem”

to get well with allopathic cancer medicine—possibly they never had

cancer to begin with. Or possibly the tumor would have gone away on its own…it

is suggested that we all develop tumors during our life and when the immunesystem/terrain is working effectively they are “caught” and the

body rids itself of the tumor.

 

This is why it is so very important that

people know there is NO magic bullet for cancer in alternative medicine or

allopathic medicine. Personally, I don’t think there ever will be

because, again, it is a terrain thing. All of us have different terrains, if

you will. And this is why clinical trials are ridiculous, at best. How

many times have we watched a drug, that has passed clinical trials, brought to

the public and before you know it people are dying or having horrible

side-effects. It’s because everyone’s terrain is

different. We are not clones, but this is exactly what it would take to

have an effective clinical trial. That is, IF we believe that lifestyle,

diet, emotions, etc. play a role in the sickness or wellness of a person.

Allopathic medicine does not believe these things have much of an effect on

illness or health. Let’s just take one of these such as

emotions. I can guarantee you, from doing nutritional balancing for

cancer patients, that emotional toxicity is a HUGE piece to the cancer

puzzle. Yet, many just skip over this because it can be very difficult to

get to the root cause. And we have been led to believe that emotions are

not a big deal. I have seen people not get completely well until their

emotional issues have been totally dealt with. These people, in the

beginning, were usually in denial or were just unwilling to go back and

acknowledge their feelings of past wrongs. You see, our cells, hear every

word that we speak and feel every emotion that we feel. Yes, I know this sounds

“way out there” but, it is true. The body is mostly water and

so is the cell. If you believe that water has memory then you understand

where I am going with this.

 

As long as we are looking at synthetic

chemicals to heal, we will not heal. The body doesn’t get sick from

a lack of synthetic chemicals. As long as we don’t practice

prevention, we will not heal. There is no degenerative disease that

science has cured in the last 50 years. So, is our technology getting

better or worse?

 

The scientific community is looking for “responses”

not cures because they have realized that they can offer no cures.

However, most patients “hear” the word “cure” when an

oncologist says “response”. Oncologists have their own “language”,

if you will, and their words do not mean what the cancer patient hears.

You see, cancer patient hear words differently than most people and this is

because they are looking for HOPE. So any word that resembles hope will

be interpreted as “cure”. However, if all a person is looking

for is a response then possibly allopathic medicine would be a good

choice. But realize that since it only treats symptoms, it will not

help to effectively manage the terrain of the body.

 

Again, possibly we need to change the

terminology currently used by allopathic medicine and the science community and

not use the word “cure” especially since cancer cells are always

present in the body. I think that “manage” is a better word

as a healthy body “manages” cancer cells every single day.

And instead of asking a person who is ill how they are doing, maybe we should

ask “How is your body terrain.”

 

Anyway, just my thoughts. J These thoughts and a dollar

fifty will get you a cup of coffee just about anywhere, except Starbucks. LOL!

 

Have a great weekend!

 

Loretta Lanphier, ND, CN, HHP, CH

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Ralph Moss has published the results of a 2004 study by 3 Australian oncologists on the effectiveness of chemo therapy on adult cancers as measured by 5-year survival rates. Their finding (for both Australian and USA figures) is that chemo makes a difference of less than 3% (2.3% for Australia and 2.1% for the USA).

 

The conclusion of the 3 oncologists was: "The introduction of cytotoxic chemotherapy for solid tumors and the establishment of the sub-specialty of medical oncology have been accepted as an advance in cancer management. However, despite the early claims of chemotherapy as the panacea for curing all cancers, the impact of cytotoxic chemotherapy is limited to small subgroups of patients and mostly occurs in the less common malignancies."

 

Given the fact that people with cancer make all kinds of life style changes, it is difficult to see how one can allocate the 3% effectiveness to the chemo and not to the life style changes.

 

Marc Swanepoel

Johannesburg

 

 

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ahzoov

oleander soup

Friday, August 24, 2007 6:55 PM

Re: Chemo Cures

 

 

 

I have a friend, a physician, who did a search of records.

 

After four years, he concluded that there is not ONE case on record of a woman being cured of breast cancer using chemotherapy only.

 

Anyone have a different take?

 

David

 

 

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Thanks, Dr. Lanphier. You can come preach to the choir I sit in everyday! I am a chiropractor. People asked "how long will I have to come" or "will I have to keep coming back?". The answer, of course, has to do with how much the patients will exercise, stretch, rest enough and how well, eat the right products, etc. Build up the body, maintain, or break down the body. . it's a choice anyone can make. Make the wrong choices, and you will pay for doctors to try to keep putting patches on the leaky bucket you are creating with your life choices. What I see stress do to posture and it's eventual pathologies, is what I see stress do to the internal milieu of the body. Pasteur, Bernard, and (I believe most deserving of the group) Bechamp were after all correct. The status of the body determines health, not invaders. Dr. Goebel"Dr. Loretta Lanphier" <drlanphier wrote: Just thought I would throw out my thoughts. Who works on Friday afternoon anyway? No one in Houston---just check the freeways. J Being a cancer survivor, I have done so much research that sometimes, literally, my head hurts. LOL! I am sure there are many on this list that can relate. J I think that maybe we need to get away from using the terms cure and remission. Just as when a person gets well from the flu or a stomach bug we

don’t say they are cured or in remission, possibly we should do the same for cancer. With the flu, etc. we know that the person gets well, however; will they get the flu again? Most probably as once you have a virus you will always have that virus. It has been stated that a virus can live for 100 years on dirt. What brings a virus back to life---the terrain. I think that with cancer, realizing that everyone has cancer cells in their body every day, it’s more about the terrain. Even Louis Pasteur eventually realized this about his germ theory. While writing her award-winning doctoral dissertation in

1984, French pharmacist Marie Nonclercq, came across an unidentified book on the history of medicine In this book she read that, on his death bed, Louis Pasteur declared... "Claude Bernard was right... the microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything" You see, when we put the responsibility for illness on something like a germ, then it takes all responsibility from us which then allows us to put blind trust and faith in those that “have been trained” to know more about germs than we do---the medical community. However, we need to understand and teach others that no one is responsible for our health or lack of it, but us. We must learn to take on this responsibility because not only does it empower but we soon come to the realization that no one cares as much

about us being well as we do! We soon realize that the answers are out their and available AND this in turn fosters HOPE which every needs in order to get well. Killing cancer cells is not what it should be about. Just as killing germs is not what it is about. We need to be more concerned with the terrain of the body so that it cannot or will not be hospitable to cancer cells taking hold. Chemo kills anything that is fast growing and this is why people lose their hair, eyebrows and most of all the epithelial lining of the digestive tract which happens to be where 80% of the immune system is located! The one system that God gave us to help fight off illness and we

(conventional medicine) decide that it’s really of no use. Oh…how smart we have become! NOT! Just killing cancer cells will never make anyone well. It may “seem” to control for a while but eventually the cells will become immune to the “killer” and will find ways to continue to multiply. The blood tests that are now performed to see if cancer is present are just not reliable. Even on the lab sheet of every cancer marker test there is the disclaimer that this test should not be used in a manner to detect or diagnose cancer. Biopsies are not great either (besides the fact that they can promote cancer) because the interpretation is in the hands of the pathologist AND they are

always told to err on the side of “caution.” So there is the possibility that a person may be border line or really not have cancer but yet because it is “close” they are told that cancer is present. Possibly this is why some people “seem” to get well with allopathic cancer medicine—possibly they never had cancer to begin with. Or possibly the tumor would have gone away on its own…it is suggested that we all develop tumors during our life and when the immune system/terrain is working effectively they are “caught” and the body rids itself of the tumor. This is why it is so very important that people know there is NO magic bullet for cancer in alternative medicine or allopathic medicine. Personally, I

don’t think there ever will be because, again, it is a terrain thing. All of us have different terrains, if you will. And this is why clinical trials are ridiculous, at best. How many times have we watched a drug, that has passed clinical trials, brought to the public and before you know it people are dying or having horrible side-effects. It’s because everyone’s terrain is different. We are not clones, but this is exactly what it would take to have an effective clinical trial. That is, IF we believe that lifestyle, diet, emotions, etc. play a role in the sickness or wellness of a person. Allopathic medicine does not believe these things have much of an effect on illness or health. Let’s just take one of these such as emotions. I can guarantee you, from doing nutritional balancing for cancer patients, that emotional toxicity is a HUGE piece to the cancer puzzle. Yet, many just skip over this because it can be very

difficult to get to the root cause. And we have been led to believe that emotions are not a big deal. I have seen people not get completely well until their emotional issues have been totally dealt with. These people, in the beginning, were usually in denial or were just unwilling to go back and acknowledge their feelings of past wrongs. You see, our cells, hear every word that we speak and feel every emotion that we feel. Yes, I know this sounds “way out there” but, it is true. The body is mostly water and so is the cell. If you believe that water has memory then you understand where I am going with this. As long as we are looking at synthetic chemicals to heal, we will not

heal. The body doesn’t get sick from a lack of synthetic chemicals. As long as we don’t practice prevention, we will not heal. There is no degenerative disease that science has cured in the last 50 years. So, is our technology getting better or worse? The scientific community is looking for “responses” not cures because they have realized that they can offer no cures. However, most patients “hear” the word “cure” when an oncologist says “response”. Oncologists have their own “language”, if you will, and their words do not mean what the cancer patient hears. You see, cancer patient hear words differently than most people and this is because they are looking for

HOPE. So any word that resembles hope will be interpreted as “cure”. However, if all a person is looking for is a response then possibly allopathic medicine would be a good choice. But realize that since it only treats symptoms, it will not help to effectively manage the terrain of the body. Again, possibly we need to change the terminology currently used by allopathic medicine and the science community and not use the word “cure” especially since cancer cells are always present in the body. I think that “manage” is a better word as a healthy body “manages” cancer cells every single day. And instead of asking a person who is ill how they are doing, maybe we should ask “How is

your body terrain.” Anyway, just my thoughts. J These thoughts and a dollar fifty will get you a cup of coffee just about anywhere, except Starbucks. LOL! Have a great weekend! Loretta Lanphier, ND, CN, HHP, CHSign-up for our FREE Advanced Health & Wellness Newsletter

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Dr. Goebel, it was a chiro that helped

me with my colon cancer and also who I interned underneath for my ND. You

can imagine the eyebrows that were raised when people found out that I had

ditched the one month of chemo and decided to go to a chiro for my cancer

treatment. I can laugh about it now, but back then it hurt me

tremendously as suddenly “everyone” was an expert about “my”

cancer. I applaud the fact that in Texas chiros can now be primary care

docs. Now if they would just allow injections…although there are

some that do the vitamin drips, etc…they just prefer to remain anonymous.

;o)

 

All my clients are taught the importance

of spinal manipulation and how it affects the healing process. During my

cancer protocol I was adjusted every week and I do believe this is another

piece to the cancer puzzle. Stress and emotional toxicity will definitely

keep people from healing and sometimes people don’t even realize their

stress because they have become used to it. It’s as much a part of

them as taking a shower every day. Emotional toxicity was a huge issue

with me and at one point my doc said “I can help you get 85% well, but

the other 15% consists of your emotions and only you can choose to do this.”

That kind-of scared me, but with guidance, I was able to work on these areas

sufficiently enough in that my terrain become manageable again. Working

on the emotions is something that must be continual as we are attacked every

day with negative emotions and philosophies…same as with the body, we

must continually work on the terrain. We are so bombarded with chemicals,

EMF’s, hormones and pollution of our air, water and emotions that

maintenance is necessary every single say. Most people are more concerned

with the maintenance of their cars and homes than they are their body. Hopefully,

through education, we will change this and I am so glad that I see more “lights

going on” as people realize that conventional medicine is in the business

of sickness, not health.

 

 

Dr. Loretta Lanphier, ND, CN, HHP, CH

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oleander soup oleander soup

On Behalf Of Michael Goebel

Friday, August 24, 2007 3:54

PM

oleander soup@com

RE: Chemo

Cures

 

 

 

Thanks,

Dr. Lanphier. You can come preach to the choir I sit in everyday!

 

 

 

 

 

I am

a chiropractor. People asked " how long will I have to come " or

" will I have to keep coming back? " . The answer, of

course, has to do with how much the patients will exercise, stretch, rest

enough and how well, eat the right products, etc. Build up the body,

maintain, or break down the body. . it's a choice anyone can make. Make

the wrong choices, and you will pay for doctors to try to keep putting patches

on the leaky bucket you are creating with your life choices.

 

 

 

 

 

What

I see stress do to posture and it's eventual pathologies, is what I see stress

do to the internal milieu of the body. Pasteur, Bernard, and (I believe

most deserving of the group) Bechamp were after all correct. The status

of the body determines health, not invaders.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.

Goebel

[Guest guest]

I agree with the proper diet etc as the immune system keeps the cancer cells at bay when it is strong and properly supported by the right nutrients. But when it does not stop it, the rampert cells that multiply out of control must be stopped . Whether by a cut and poison system we have ( which in some situations is absolutely neccessary) or using diet and a super positive attitude and as a minimum of Dr Joanna Budwigs formula for a totally natural formula

www.drjoannabudwig.com

A negative attitude makes cancer failure more prevalent , while a positive attitude makes things happen to overcome the Cancer/cancers.

Thus we have to look thru websites to see what the FDA stopped because it did not go thru them on the 50% get 50 % do not get the treatment no matter how desperate the person's situation. We trace back to see what the actual proof of the alternative help provided to the person/s

Bill.

 

 

 

-

Dr. Loretta Lanphier

oleander soup

Friday, August 24, 2007 1:38 PM

RE: Chemo Cures

 

 

 

 

Just thought I would throw out my thoughts. Who works on Friday afternoon anyway? No one in Houston---just check the freeways. J

 

Being a cancer survivor, I have done so much research that sometimes, literally, my head hurts. LOL! I am sure there are many on this list that can relate. J

 

I think that maybe we need to get away from using the terms cure and remission. Just as when a person gets well from the flu or a stomach bug we don’t say they are cured or in remission, possibly we should do the same for cancer. With the flu, etc. we know that the person gets well, however; will they get the flu again? Most probably as once you have a virus you will always have that virus. It has been stated that a virus can live for 100 years on dirt. What brings a virus back to life---the terrain.

 

I think that with cancer, realizing that everyone has cancer cells in their body every day, it’s more about the terrain. Even Louis Pasteur eventually realized this about his germ theory. While writing her award-winning doctoral dissertation in 1984, French pharmacist Marie Nonclercq, came across an unidentified book on the history of medicine In this book she read that, on his death bed, Louis Pasteur declared... "Claude Bernard was right... the microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything" You see, when we put the responsibility for illness on something like a germ, then it takes all responsibility from us which then allows us to put blind trust and faith in those that “have been trained” to know more about germs than we do---the medical community. However, we need to understand and teach others that no one is responsible for our health or lack of it, but us. We must learn to take on this responsibility because not only does it empower but we soon come to the realization that no one cares as much about us being well as we do! We soon realize that the answers are out their and available AND this in turn fosters HOPE which every needs in order to get well.

 

Killing cancer cells is not what it should be about. Just as killing germs is not what it is about. We need to be more concerned with the terrain of the body so that it cannot or will not be hospitable to cancer cells taking hold. Chemo kills anything that is fast growing and this is why people lose their hair, eyebrows and most of all the epithelial lining of the digestive tract which happens to be where 80% of the immune system is located! The one system that God gave us to help fight off illness and we (conventional medicine) decide that it’s really of no use. Oh…how smart we have become! NOT!

 

Just killing cancer cells will never make anyone well. It may “seem” to control for a while but eventually the cells will become immune to the “killer” and will find ways to continue to multiply. The blood tests that are now performed to see if cancer is present are just not reliable. Even on the lab sheet of every cancer marker test there is the disclaimer that this test should not be used in a manner to detect or diagnose cancer. Biopsies are not great either (besides the fact that they can promote cancer) because the interpretation is in the hands of the pathologist AND they are always told to err on the side of “caution.” So there is the possibility that a person may be border line or really not have cancer but yet because it is “close” they are told that cancer is present. Possibly this is why some people “seem” to get well with allopathic cancer medicine—possibly they never had cancer to begin with. Or possibly the tumor would have gone away on its own…it is suggested that we all develop tumors during our life and when the immune system/terrain is working effectively they are “caught” and the body rids itself of the tumor.

 

This is why it is so very important that people know there is NO magic bullet for cancer in alternative medicine or allopathic medicine. Personally, I don’t think there ever will be because, again, it is a terrain thing. All of us have different terrains, if you will. And this is why clinical trials are ridiculous, at best. How many times have we watched a drug, that has passed clinical trials, brought to the public and before you know it people are dying or having horrible side-effects. It’s because everyone’s terrain is different. We are not clones, but this is exactly what it would take to have an effective clinical trial. That is, IF we believe that lifestyle, diet, emotions, etc. play a role in the sickness or wellness of a person. Allopathic medicine does not believe these things have much of an effect on illness or health. Let’s just take one of these such as emotions. I can guarantee you, from doing nutritional balancing for cancer patients, that emotional toxicity is a HUGE piece to the cancer puzzle. Yet, many just skip over this because it can be very difficult to get to the root cause. And we have been led to believe that emotions are not a big deal. I have seen people not get completely well until their emotional issues have been totally dealt with. These people, in the beginning, were usually in denial or were just unwilling to go back and acknowledge their feelings of past wrongs. You see, our cells, hear every word that we speak and feel every emotion that we feel. Yes, I know this sounds “way out there” but, it is true. The body is mostly water and so is the cell. If you believe that water has memory then you understand where I am going with this.

 

As long as we are looking at synthetic chemicals to heal, we will not heal. The body doesn’t get sick from a lack of synthetic chemicals. As long as we don’t practice prevention, we will not heal. There is no degenerative disease that science has cured in the last 50 years. So, is our technology getting better or worse?

 

The scientific community is looking for “responses” not cures because they have realized that they can offer no cures. However, most patients “hear” the word “cure” when an oncologist says “response”. Oncologists have their own “language”, if you will, and their words do not mean what the cancer patient hears. You see, cancer patient hear words differently than most people and this is because they are looking for HOPE. So any word that resembles hope will be interpreted as “cure”. However, if all a person is looking for is a response then possibly allopathic medicine would be a good choice. But realize that since it only treats symptoms, it will not help to effectively manage the terrain of the body.

 

Again, possibly we need to change the terminology currently used by allopathic medicine and the science community and not use the word “cure” especially since cancer cells are always present in the body. I think that “manage” is a better word as a healthy body “manages” cancer cells every single day. And instead of asking a person who is ill how they are doing, maybe we should ask “How is your body terrain.”

 

Anyway, just my thoughts. J These thoughts and a dollar fifty will get you a cup of coffee just about anywhere, except Starbucks. LOL!

 

Have a great weekend!

 

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Bless your heart Edith, this is heartbreaking. Families, who mean

well can do the most harm and yes, sometimes the pressure is so

unbearable that we give in, sometimes knowing that we are making a

big mistake.

 

We are born with the need to be loved and accepted and this plays

such a big part in this scenario.

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , ejohns9525 wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 8/24/2007 2:14:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> ahzoov writes:

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 8/24/2007 12:24:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> ejohns9525 a messag

>

> My cousin had breast cancer with chemo about 15 years ago. She

seems to be

> in ok health.

>

> She doesn't know anything about alternatives so therefore I know

she only

> used the above route.

>

> Edith

>

>

>

> Was chemo her ONLY medical intervention? did she have surgery or

radiation

> with it?

After I wrote that I thought maybe she did have the one breast

removed. I

> had to call my Mom

> for the info. Yes, she had one breast removed and chemo. Mom

said it had

> been 24

> years & that she goes to MD Anderson for an annual check up.

>

> I am by no means agreeing with chemo. My sister-in-law had breast

cancer.

> Had one breast removed

> and chemo. In 2 years it was back (I'm sure it never left). She

asked me

> to help. I located organic

> carrots etc for her and made her Essiac tea & introduced her to a

ND friend

> of mine via telephone.

> He had her doing many things. The greatest one was oxygen via

IV. Her

> brother was an

> RN so he had that covered. I met her in high school but she

looked

> healthier at this time than in all of the years I knew her. Her

family was not

> supportive (only this RN brother was) and she crushed

> under the load of negativity went back to chemo. Soon after her

chemo

> treatments started,

> my brother (her husband) discovered he had cancer in his

bladder. He had

> suregery and died

> within 6 months of his diagnosis. She had chemo treatments weekly

until she

> died 6 months after

> him. She was 54.

> Edith

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

For clarification purposes: Proper diet and immune boosting natural

alternatives when properly used, together with exercise cannot help

but keep the immune system strong enough to prevent cancer or to rid

the body of the cancer. Under the proper natural healing protocol,

it is impossible for cells to become rampant and multiply out of

control.

 

A cut and poison system is NEVER necessary and causes irreperable

harm to the body.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " bill Wilkins " <w.wilkins

wrote:

>

> I agree with the proper diet etc as the immune system keeps the

cancer cells at bay when it is strong and properly supported by the

right nutrients. But when it does not stop it, the rampert cells that

multiply out of control must be stopped . Whether by a cut and poison

system we have ( which in some situations is absolutely neccessary)

or using diet and a super positive attitude and as a minimum of Dr

Joanna Budwigs formula for a totally natural formula

> www.drjoannabudwig.com

> A negative attitude makes cancer failure more prevalent , while a

positive attitude makes things happen to overcome the Cancer/cancers.

> Thus we have to look thru websites to see what the FDA stopped

because it did not go thru them on the 50% get 50 % do not get the

treatment no matter how desperate the person's situation. We trace

back to see what the actual proof of the alternative help provided to

the person/s

> Bill.

>

>

> -

> Dr. Loretta Lanphier

> oleander soup

> Friday, August 24, 2007 1:38 PM

> RE: Chemo Cures

>

>

>

> Just thought I would throw out my thoughts. Who works on Friday

afternoon anyway? No one in Houston---just check the freeways. J

>

>

>

> Being a cancer survivor, I have done so much research that

sometimes, literally, my head hurts. LOL! I am sure there are many on

this list that can relate. J

>

>

>

> I think that maybe we need to get away from using the terms cure

and remission. Just as when a person gets well from the flu or a

stomach bug we don't say they are cured or in remission, possibly we

should do the same for cancer. With the flu, etc. we know that the

person gets well, however; will they get the flu again? Most

probably as once you have a virus you will always have that virus.

It has been stated that a virus can live for 100 years on dirt. What

brings a virus back to life---the terrain.

>

>

>

> I think that with cancer, realizing that everyone has cancer

cells in their body every day, it's more about the terrain. Even

Louis Pasteur eventually realized this about his germ theory. While

writing her award-winning doctoral dissertation in 1984, French

pharmacist Marie Nonclercq, came across an unidentified book on the

history of medicine In this book she read that, on his death bed,

Louis Pasteur declared... " Claude Bernard was right... the microbe is

nothing, the terrain is everything " You see, when we put the

responsibility for illness on something like a germ, then it takes

all responsibility from us which then allows us to put blind trust

and faith in those that " have been trained " to know more about germs

than we do---the medical community. However, we need to understand

and teach others that no one is responsible for our health or lack of

it, but us. We must learn to take on this responsibility because not

only does it empower but we soon come to the realization that no one

cares as much about us being well as we do! We soon realize that the

answers are out their and available AND this in turn fosters HOPE

which every needs in order to get well.

>

>

>

> Killing cancer cells is not what it should be about. Just as

killing germs is not what it is about. We need to be more concerned

with the terrain of the body so that it cannot or will not be

hospitable to cancer cells taking hold. Chemo kills anything that is

fast growing and this is why people lose their hair, eyebrows and

most of all the epithelial lining of the digestive tract which

happens to be where 80% of the immune system is located! The one

system that God gave us to help fight off illness and we

(conventional medicine) decide that it's really of no use. Oh.how

smart we have become! NOT!

>

>

>

> Just killing cancer cells will never make anyone well. It

may " seem " to control for a while but eventually the cells will

become immune to the " killer " and will find ways to continue to

multiply. The blood tests that are now performed to see if cancer is

present are just not reliable. Even on the lab sheet of every cancer

marker test there is the disclaimer that this test should not be used

in a manner to detect or diagnose cancer. Biopsies are not great

either (besides the fact that they can promote cancer) because the

interpretation is in the hands of the pathologist AND they are always

told to err on the side of " caution. " So there is the possibility

that a person may be border line or really not have cancer but yet

because it is " close " they are told that cancer is present. Possibly

this is why some people " seem " to get well with allopathic cancer

medicine-possibly they never had cancer to begin with. Or possibly

the tumor would have gone away on its own.it is suggested that we all

develop tumors during our life and when the immune system/terrain is

working effectively they are " caught " and the body rids itself of the

tumor.

>

>

>

> This is why it is so very important that people know there is NO

magic bullet for cancer in alternative medicine or allopathic

medicine. Personally, I don't think there ever will be because,

again, it is a terrain thing. All of us have different terrains, if

you will. And this is why clinical trials are ridiculous, at best.

How many times have we watched a drug, that has passed clinical

trials, brought to the public and before you know it people are dying

or having horrible side-effects. It's because everyone's terrain is

different. We are not clones, but this is exactly what it would take

to have an effective clinical trial. That is, IF we believe that

lifestyle, diet, emotions, etc. play a role in the sickness or

wellness of a person. Allopathic medicine does not believe these

things have much of an effect on illness or health. Let's just take

one of these such as emotions. I can guarantee you, from doing

nutritional balancing for cancer patients, that emotional toxicity is

a HUGE piece to the cancer puzzle. Yet, many just skip over this

because it can be very difficult to get to the root cause. And we

have been led to believe that emotions are not a big deal. I have

seen people not get completely well until their emotional issues have

been totally dealt with. These people, in the beginning, were

usually in denial or were just unwilling to go back and acknowledge

their feelings of past wrongs. You see, our cells, hear every word

that we speak and feel every emotion that we feel. Yes, I know this

sounds " way out there " but, it is true. The body is mostly water and

so is the cell. If you believe that water has memory then you

understand where I am going with this.

>

>

>

> As long as we are looking at synthetic chemicals to heal, we will

not heal. The body doesn't get sick from a lack of synthetic

chemicals. As long as we don't practice prevention, we will not

heal. There is no degenerative disease that science has cured in the

last 50 years. So, is our technology getting better or worse?

>

>

>

> The scientific community is looking for " responses " not cures

because they have realized that they can offer no cures. However,

most patients " hear " the word " cure " when an oncologist

says " response " . Oncologists have their own " language " , if you will,

and their words do not mean what the cancer patient hears. You see,

cancer patient hear words differently than most people and this is

because they are looking for HOPE. So any word that resembles hope

will be interpreted as " cure " . However, if all a person is looking

for is a response then possibly allopathic medicine would be a good

choice. But realize that since it only treats symptoms, it will not

help to effectively manage the terrain of the body.

>

>

>

> Again, possibly we need to change the terminology currently used

by allopathic medicine and the science community and not use the

word " cure " especially since cancer cells are always present in the

body. I think that " manage " is a better word as a healthy

body " manages " cancer cells every single day. And instead of asking

a person who is ill how they are doing, maybe we should ask " How is

your body terrain. "

>

>

>

> Anyway, just my thoughts. J These thoughts and a dollar fifty

will get you a cup of coffee just about anywhere, except Starbucks.

LOL!

>

>

>

> Have a great weekend!

>

> Loretta Lanphier, ND, CN, HHP, CH

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