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Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish (crawfish

in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going back and

forth to Australia, having a few million . . .

 

Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who loves

crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm only

lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol

 

 

aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish

oleander soup , " evitachristanty "

<evitachristanty wrote:

>

> I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to him

> etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know how to

> turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer etc ,he did

> have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he tried the

> maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian said he

> had one off those things on the computer I have a letter with it on ,

> (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers or how

> to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a few

> million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .--- In

> oleander soup , Preferred Customer

> <commonsense2265@> wrote:

> >

> > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly site ok..I

> have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step and broke

> my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in Sept..Take

> care Janice

> >

> > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@>

> wrote: I met a guy called brian at

> my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a

> > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat liquids

> with

> > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush fruit

> called

> > maroon bush ,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the webb in

> tea

> > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian ate the

> > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to transport ,.but

> they

> > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around where I

> > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as well ,hold a

> lot

> > of promise ,.

> > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the chance

> of

> > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still drinks a lot

> of

> > beer I wont follow him on that

> > Mervyn

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with

> FareChase.

> >

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-It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is about

another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to expensive an

made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by any

person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the

usa ,but americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i also

find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I told a

bit about a persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he still

has cancer ,I think a bit of care would be better instead of poking

fun ,.

you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give you

a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one personal

posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves in

this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem with

that as it is very hard for someone to say my doctor is wrong an try

somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to try

somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be 99.99%

chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa cure

sucess ,but no personal results ,.

so I in no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a

great aid ,.

Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw ,

how much money are you making through your books ,commission on

silver etc through this forum ,.

 

mervyn -- In oleander soup , " Tony "

wrote:

>

> Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish

(crawfish

> in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going back and

> forth to Australia, having a few million . . .

>

> Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who

loves

> crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm only

> lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol

>

> >

> aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish

> oleander soup , " evitachristanty "

> <evitachristanty@> wrote:

> >

> > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to him

> > etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know how

to

> > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer etc ,he

did

> > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he tried

the

> > maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian said

he

> > had one off those things on the computer I have a letter with it

on ,

> > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers or

how

> > to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a few

> > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .--- In

> > oleander soup , Preferred Customer

> > <commonsense2265@> wrote:

> > >

> > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly site

ok..I

> > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step and

broke

> > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in

Sept..Take

> > care Janice

> > >

> > > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@>

> > wrote: I met a guy called brian

at

> > my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a

> > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat

liquids

> > with

> > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush fruit

> > called

> > > maroon bush ,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the webb

in

> > tea

> > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian ate

the

> > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to transport ,.but

> > they

> > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around

where I

> > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as well ,hold

a

> > lot

> > > of promise ,.

> > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the

chance

> > of

> > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still drinks a

lot

> > of

> > > beer I wont follow him on that

> > > Mervyn

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels

with

> > FareChase.

> > >

> >

>

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Oh gawd, NEVER SAY SHIT ABOUT TONY. lolevitachristanty <evitachristanty wrote: -It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is about another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to expensive an made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by any person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the usa ,but americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i also find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I told a bit about a

persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he still has cancer ,I think a bit of care would be better instead of poking fun ,.you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give you a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one personal posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves in this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem with that as it is very hard for someone to say my doctor is wrong an try somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to try somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be 99.99%chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa cure sucess ,but no personal results ,.so I in no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a great aid ,.Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw ,how much money are you making through your books ,commission on silver etc

through this forum ,.mervyn -- In oleander soup , "Tony" wrote:>> Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish (crawfish> in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going back and> forth to Australia, having a few million . . .> > Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who loves> crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm only> lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol> > Tony> > aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish> oleander soup , "evitachristanty"> <evitachristanty@> wrote:> >> > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to him > > etc ,He is

back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know how to > > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer etc ,he did > > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he tried the > > maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian said he > > had one off those things on the computer I have a letter with it on , > > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers or how > > to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a few > > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .> > oleander soup , Preferred Customer > > <commonsense2265@> wrote:> > >> > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly site ok..I > > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom

step and broke > > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in Sept..Take > > care Janice> > > > > > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@> > > wrote: I met a guy called brian at > > my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a > > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat liquids > > with > > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush fruit > > called > > > maroon bush ,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the webb in > > tea > > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian ate the > > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to transport ,.but > > they > > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around where I > > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins

etc as well ,hold a > > lot > > > of promise ,.> > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the chance > > of > > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still drinks a lot > > of > > > beer I wont follow him on that > > > Mervyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > > FareChase.> > >> >> Female circumcision is torture not culture. And you wonder why as a WOMAN- I hate being called a girl. In a hot flash moment-I might knock the hell out of

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Evita,

 

I would like to point out that Tony makes absolutely no profit from

this forum. He spends his time in researching and educating people

for free. Such is his love for people.

 

The Maroon Bush was not " pushed off " as too expensive. As a matter

of fact, it is " too expensive " Your assertion that Tony only has one

person that claims to be cured in this forum is wrong. Many have

been cured and he has the testimonials to prove it. Again, all for

free.

 

Why someone would pay $255. US for this maroon bush when they can get

well with oleander for free is beyond me.

 

Tony has spent years researching an entire protocol to cure cancer.

And it works. Again, he has never charged a penny for his services.

He does this to help people. His assertion that if nature provides

something, it should be shared with all humanity is well founded.

Tony could have very well made big bucks marketing oleander but he

did not. Everything he shares he shares for free. So please do not

insinuate that he is making money from what he does because he is not

making one penny. He selfessly shares the knowledge that he has

spent years accumulating with others for free.

 

Also, he was not making fun of Brian. Tony would never do that. It

was humor. Tony would never make fun of anybody that had cancer.

 

I am sorry that you were offended, but I truly believe you have

misunderstood Tony's intentions.

 

 

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I am sorry that you have such a point of view and you missed my

attempt at humor, Mervyn. I would think that such a longtime forum

member would know me well enough to know that I poke harmless fun from

time to time - or at least that is my intention.

 

A great many people who suffer from cancer do not have property in

Bali, nor a few million dollars on the side. Some of them have had

their finances exhausted by mainstream medicine, even to the point of

having to sell their homes and live in a trailer. In many such

instances I have given my book away for free. And is some instances

have arranged to have fairly expensive medicine sent to them free of

charge - about $3000 worth apiece.

 

So, when I see something that costs a great deal of money, I remind

each and everyone that there are less expensive alternatives. In no

way am I putting down the maroon bush and I will certainly do what I

can to find out more about it. If, as you say, it can be made at home

like oleander soup, that is wonderful. And I sincerely do hope you

keep us posted on information about the Maroon Bush. But otherwise I

find $255 for 45 days worth of tea a bit excessive.

 

Now, as to my income from my book - I doubt that half a dozen people

in this forum have bought the book because of this forum - a great

many members here came to this forum after buying the book because the

thank you email they receive includes an invitation.

 

And, as for my whopping affiliate income from Utopia Silver - yes I do

make a few percent, when someone goes there by my affiliate link. I

think my total affiliate sales so far have been about $150 from all

sources, less than a third of which has come from the members of this

forum. Just like the sales of my book, this forum's contribution to

my income is minuscule.

 

What I did do was make arrangements for members here to get a 15%

discount on any non-sale items at Utopia Silver, and I recommended the

company because I have known the owner since the second grade, know

that his unique method he invented produces the best colloidal silver

on the planet, and also know about the other products they sell - some

of which he is adding at my recommendations.

 

If you think for a minute that I am here to make money off book and

affiliate sales, I suggest that you go back to the very first page and

look at my posts one by one, then go the file section and look at the

files I have added to this forum, and to the links and photos - and

then you tell me - Have I done all of this for the past three years to

make about $100 bucks.

 

You are also very badly mistaken in saying that there is only one

person here who has posted about successfully using oleander to rid

themselves of cancer or other conditions. Again, you need to go back

and look at the posts.

 

Maybe you are just having a bad day? That is what I am going to chalk

your post up to. This time.

 

 

it comes from made special arrangements and I have made arra

 

oleander soup , " evitachristanty "

<evitachristanty wrote:

>

> -It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is about

> another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to expensive an

> made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by any

> person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the

> usa ,but americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i also

> find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I told a

> bit about a persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he still

> has cancer ,I think a bit of care would be better instead of poking

> fun ,.

> you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give you

> a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one personal

> posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves in

> this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem with

> that as it is very hard for someone to say my doctor is wrong an try

> somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to try

> somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be 99.99%

> chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa cure

> sucess ,but no personal results ,.

> so I in no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a

> great aid ,.

> Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw ,

> how much money are you making through your books ,commission on

> silver etc through this forum ,.

>

> mervyn -- In oleander soup , " Tony " @>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish

> (crawfish

> > in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going back and

> > forth to Australia, having a few million . . .

> >

> > Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who

> loves

> > crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm only

> > lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol

> >

> > > >

> > aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish

> > oleander soup , " evitachristanty "

> > <evitachristanty@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to him

> > > etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know how

> to

> > > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer etc ,he

> did

> > > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he tried

> the

> > > maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian said

> he

> > > had one off those things on the computer I have a letter with it

> on ,

> > > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers or

> how

> > > to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a few

> > > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .--- In

> > > oleander soup , Preferred Customer

> > > <commonsense2265@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly site

> ok..I

> > > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step and

> broke

> > > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in

> Sept..Take

> > > care Janice

> > > >

> > > > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@>

> > > wrote: I met a guy called brian

> at

> > > my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a

> > > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat

> liquids

> > > with

> > > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush fruit

> > > called

> > > > maroon bush ,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the webb

> in

> > > tea

> > > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian ate

> the

> > > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to transport ,.but

> > > they

> > > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around

> where I

> > > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as well ,hold

> a

> > > lot

> > > > of promise ,.

> > > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the

> chance

> > > of

> > > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still drinks a

> lot

> > > of

> > > > beer I wont follow him on that

> > > > Mervyn

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels

> with

> > > FareChase.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Well Americans tend to think the the USA is the center of the universe..I am sure that in school it is imbedded this is so but even though they study other countries, albiet briefly, it is the minority who understand there is a huge world out there made of millions of people...When I first arrived in USA they asked if I spoke English, another good one is thinking that people from Australia come from Austria..Yes there are ignorant Australians but not on the same scale..It is because Australia and other countries are more isolated they tend to include the global piicture. Janiceevitachristanty <evitachristanty wrote: -It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is about another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to expensive an made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by any person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the usa ,but americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i also find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I told a bit about a persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he still has cancer ,I think a bit of care would be better instead of poking fun ,. you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give you a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one personal posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves in this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem

with that as it is very hard for someone to say my doctor is wrong an try somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to try somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be 99.99% chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa cure sucess ,but no personal results ,. so I in no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a great aid ,. Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw , how much money are you making through your books ,commission on silver etc through this forum ,. mervyn -- In oleander soup , "Tony" wrote: > > Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish (crawfish > in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going back and > forth to Australia, having a few million . .

.. > > Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who loves > crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm only > lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol > > Tony > > aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish > oleander soup , "evitachristanty" > <evitachristanty@> wrote: > > > > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to him > > etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know how to > > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer etc ,he did > > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he tried the > > maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian said he > > had one off those things on the computer

I have a letter with it on , > > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers or how > > to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a few > > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , . > > oleander soup , Preferred Customer > > <commonsense2265@> wrote: > > > > > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly site ok..I > > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step and broke > > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in Sept..Take > > care Janice > > > > > > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@> > > wrote: I met a guy called brian at > > my apartments in bali .,doctors

gave him a > > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat liquids > > with > > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush fruit > > called > > > maroon bush ,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the webb in > > tea > > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian ate the > > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to transport ,.but > > they > > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around where I > > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as well ,hold a > > lot > > > of promise ,. > > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the chance > > of > > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still drinks a lot >

> of > > > beer I wont follow him on that > > > Mervyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > > FareChase. > > > > > >

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Janice, what do you mean? You know Tony's sense of humor and you know Tony was not making fun of anybody that has a lot of money or that has cancer. He was kidding. I am so sorry that Mervyn took it wrong. And I am so sorry that he left. Tony is too. He was in no way downgrading anybody. You know Tony wouldn't do this.

 

One thing that I personally don't understand is how can you defend chemo in any form? It is totally against the purpose of this forum and totally against what Tony believes. This is an oleander forum using his cancer protocol that he has worked so very hard on and it does work. He had nothing against the maroon bush except the cost. And that is because he is looking out for all of you. I read a post that said that he had researched the maroon bush and if there was a way to get a hold of it and make it from scratch he would do that too.

 

It would be so very easy for him to tell everybody to buy the Oleander remedy for $99.00 and go from there. But no, he has gone out of his way to share with us how to make it for free so that we might get well, or for those that are healthy to stay healthy.

 

When it comes to mainstream medicine. No, there are not two sides to every story. Chemo will destroy organs and wreck the immune system. If a remission occurs, the cancer does return. I personally can understand that someone with cancer would be afraid to try something natural after having grown up with mainstream medicine. But please listen to me! Cancer cannot exist in a body that is perfectly alkalined. It is impossible. With my own eyes I have seen people with only months to live become cancer free never for it to return by becoming perfectly alkalined and living a healthy lifestyle from then on. I don't believe for a second that any form of mainstream medicine works. It is a bandaid. He does this out of love for everybody.

 

I have just finished talking with a lady who has just been diagnosed with colon cancer. I was about to send her here. After seeing this post, especially defending mainstream medicine, there is no way I can refer her to this forum. What's the point? There is bickering and all together a very uneasy atmosphere.

 

Please Janice. Tony would never hurt anybody, you know that. However, if someone does attack him or his methods that he has worked so long to fine tune, yes he will defend himself. And I will defend him too.

 

His life consists of caring for people with cancer. He works all day, sometimes round the clock on this. He doesn't have a life. There are times that he will just lie down out of sheer exhaustion or he has to go into town to get something.

 

As we speak he is at a health trade show for a few days. After that he is going to get much needed R & R. Then he will be back.

 

Please. We have misunderstandings all around. Let's stop. And maybe Tony won't be able to kid around anymore. I am dreadfully sorry and I know he is too.

 

Love and Hugs,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Preferred Customer <commonsense2265oleander soup Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:44:20 PMRe: Re: Must be rough

 

Tony, I think it unhealthy to downgrade people because they have money..There are those that do a lot of good with their extra $$ there is nothing wrong in making money from one's knowledge, iti s done all the time...But knocking Mervyn for having been perceived as having money is a negative energy. Mervyn put me onto the Oleander and I have purchased your book for someone in need, plus I know that a chemo/chemical has been made from Oleander thta is used to treat cancer so there are always 2 sides to a story.. I know some people have been helped because the cost is low but the tonic I take for keeping my cancer at bay is not cheap either but it works, it is an individual thing..thanks Janice..Tony > wrote:

 

 

I am sorry that you have such a point of view and you missed myattempt at humor, Mervyn. I would think that such a longtime forummember would know me well enough to know that I poke harmless fun fromtime to time - or at least that is my intention.A great many people who suffer from cancer do not have property inBali, nor a few million dollars on the side. Some of them have hadtheir finances exhausted by mainstream medicine, even to the point ofhaving to sell their homes and live in a trailer. In many suchinstances I have given my book away for free. And is some instanceshave arranged to have fairly expensive medicine sent to them free ofcharge - about $3000 worth apiece.So, when I see something that costs a great deal of money, I remindeach and everyone that there are less expensive alternatives. In noway am I putting down the maroon bush and I will certainly do what Ican to find out

more about it. If, as you say, it can be made at homelike oleander soup, that is wonderful. And I sincerely do hope youkeep us posted on information about the Maroon Bush. But otherwise Ifind $255 for 45 days worth of tea a bit excessive.Now, as to my income from my book - I doubt that half a dozen peoplein this forum have bought the book because of this forum - a greatmany members here came to this forum after buying the book because thethank you email they receive includes an invitation.And, as for my whopping affiliate income from Utopia Silver - yes I domake a few percent, when someone goes there by my affiliate link. Ithink my total affiliate sales so far have been about $150 from allsources, less than a third of which has come from the members of thisforum. Just like the sales of my book, this forum's contribution tomy income is minuscule.What I did do was make arrangements for

members here to get a 15%discount on any non-sale items at Utopia Silver, and I recommended thecompany because I have known the owner since the second grade, knowthat his unique method he invented produces the best colloidal silveron the planet, and also know about the other products they sell - someof which he is adding at my recommendations.If you think for a minute that I am here to make money off book andaffiliate sales, I suggest that you go back to the very first page andlook at my posts one by one, then go the file section and look at thefiles I have added to this forum, and to the links and photos - andthen you tell me - Have I done all of this for the past three years tomake about $100 bucks.You are also very badly mistaken in saying that there is only oneperson here who has posted about successfully using oleander to ridthemselves of cancer or other conditions. Again, you need to

go backand look at the posts.Maybe you are just having a bad day? That is what I am going to chalkyour post up to. This time.Tonyit comes from made special arrangements and I have made arraoleander soup, "evitachristanty"<evitachristanty@ ...> wrote:>> -It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is about > another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to expensive an > made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by any > person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the > usa ,but americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i also > find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I told a > bit about a persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he still > has cancer

,I think a bit of care would be better instead of poking > fun ,.> you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give you > a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one personal > posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves in > this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem with > that as it is very hard for someone to say my doctor is wrong an try > somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to try > somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be 99.99%> chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa cure > sucess ,but no personal results ,.> so I in no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a > great aid ,.> Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw ,> how much money are you making through your books ,commission on

> silver etc through this forum ,.> > mervyn -- In oleander soup, "Tony" @> > wrote:> >> > Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish > (crawfish> > in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going back and> > forth to Australia, having a few million . . .> > > > Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who > loves> > crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm only> > lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol> > > > Tony> > > > aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish> > oleander soup,

"evitachristanty"> > <evitachristanty@ > wrote:> > >> > > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to him > > > etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know how > to > > > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer etc ,he > did > > > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he tried > the > > > maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian said > he > > > had one off those things on the computer I have a letter with it > on , > > > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers or > how > > > to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a few > > > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .> > > oleander soup, Preferred Customer > > > <commonsense2265@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly site > ok..I > > > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step and > broke > > > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in > Sept..Take > > > care Janice> > > > > > > > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@ > > > > wrote: I met a guy called brian > at > > > my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a > > > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat > liquids > > > with > > > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush fruit > > > called > > > > maroon bush

,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the webb > in > > > tea > > > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian ate > the > > > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to transport ,.but > > > they > > > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around > where I > > > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as well ,hold > a > > > lot > > > > of promise ,.> > > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the > chance > > > of > > > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still drinks a > lot > > > of > > > > beer I wont follow him on that > > > > Mervyn > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels > with > > > FareChase.> > > >> > >> >>

 

 

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Good message, . To see how hard it can be on an individual who champions peoples' plights against cancer, I would point you to the life of Dr. Wilhelm Reich. Many of his books are in print, as is his biography written by his son. I recommend these books to anyone who needs encouragement. Dr. Goebel May <luellamay129 wrote: Janice, what do you mean?

You know Tony's sense of humor and you know Tony was not making fun of anybody that has a lot of money or that has cancer. He was kidding. I am so sorry that Mervyn took it wrong. And I am so sorry that he left. Tony is too. He was in no way downgrading anybody. You know Tony wouldn't do this. One thing that I personally don't understand is how can you defend chemo in any form? It is totally against the purpose of this forum and totally against what Tony believes. This is an oleander forum using his cancer protocol that he has worked so very hard on and it does work. He had nothing against the maroon bush except the cost. And that is because he is looking out for all of you. I read a post that said that he had researched the maroon bush and if there was a way to get a hold of it and make it from scratch he would do that too. It would be so very easy for him to tell everybody to buy the Oleander remedy for $99.00 and go from there. But no, he has gone out of his way to share with us how to make it for free so that we might get well, or for those that are healthy to stay healthy. When it comes to mainstream medicine. No, there are not two sides to every story. Chemo will destroy organs and wreck the immune system. If a remission occurs, the cancer does return. I personally can understand that someone with cancer would be afraid to try something natural after having grown up with mainstream medicine. But please listen to me! Cancer cannot exist in a body that is perfectly alkalined. It is impossible. With my own eyes I have seen people with only months to live become cancer free never for it to return by becoming perfectly alkalined and living a healthy lifestyle from then

on. I don't believe for a second that any form of mainstream medicine works. It is a bandaid. He does this out of love for everybody. I have just finished talking with a lady who has just been diagnosed with colon cancer. I was about to send her here. After seeing this post, especially defending mainstream medicine, there is no way I can refer her to this forum. What's the point? There is bickering and all together a very uneasy atmosphere. Please Janice. Tony would never hurt anybody, you know that. However, if someone does attack him or his methods that he has worked so long to fine tune, yes he will defend himself. And I will defend him too. His life consists of caring for people with cancer. He works all day, sometimes round the clock on this. He doesn't have a life. There are

times that he will just lie down out of sheer exhaustion or he has to go into town to get something. As we speak he is at a health trade show for a few days. After that he is going to get much needed R & R. Then he will be back. Please. We have misunderstandings all around. Let's stop. And maybe Tony won't be able to kid around anymore. I am dreadfully sorry and I know he is too. Love and Hugs, May Preferred Customer <commonsense2265 >oleander soup Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:44:20 PMRe: Re: Must be rough Tony, I think it unhealthy to downgrade people because they have money..There are those that do a lot of good with their extra $$ there is nothing wrong in making money from one's knowledge, iti s done all the time...But

knocking Mervyn for having been perceived as having money is a negative energy. Mervyn put me onto the Oleander and I have purchased your book for someone in need, plus I know that a chemo/chemical has been made from Oleander thta is used to treat cancer so there are always 2 sides to a story.. I know some people have been helped because the cost is low but the tonic I take for keeping my cancer at bay is not cheap either but it works, it is an individual thing..thanks Janice..Tony > wrote: I am sorry that you have such a point of view and you missed myattempt at humor, Mervyn. I would think that such a longtime forummember would know me well enough to know that I poke harmless fun fromtime to time - or at least that is my intention.A great many people who suffer from cancer do not have property

inBali, nor a few million dollars on the side. Some of them have hadtheir finances exhausted by mainstream medicine, even to the point ofhaving to sell their homes and live in a trailer. In many suchinstances I have given my book away for free. And is some instanceshave arranged to have fairly expensive medicine sent to them free ofcharge - about $3000 worth apiece.So, when I see something that costs a great deal of money, I remindeach and everyone that there are less expensive alternatives. In noway am I putting down the maroon bush and I will certainly do what Ican to find out more about it. If, as you say, it can be made at homelike oleander soup, that is wonderful. And I sincerely do hope youkeep us posted on information about the Maroon Bush. But otherwise Ifind $255 for 45 days worth of tea a bit excessive.Now, as to my income from my book - I doubt that half a dozen peoplein this forum have bought

the book because of this forum - a greatmany members here came to this forum after buying the book because thethank you email they receive includes an invitation.And, as for my whopping affiliate income from Utopia Silver - yes I domake a few percent, when someone goes there by my affiliate link. Ithink my total affiliate sales so far have been about $150 from allsources, less than a third of which has come from the members of thisforum. Just like the sales of my book, this forum's contribution tomy income is minuscule.What I did do was make arrangements for members here to get a 15%discount on any non-sale items at Utopia Silver, and I recommended thecompany because I have known the owner since the second grade, knowthat his unique method he invented produces the best colloidal silveron the planet, and also know about the other products they sell - someof which he is adding at my recommendations.If

you think for a minute that I am here to make money off book andaffiliate sales, I suggest that you go back to the very first page andlook at my posts one by one, then go the file section and look at thefiles I have added to this forum, and to the links and photos - andthen you tell me - Have I done all of this for the past three years tomake about $100 bucks.You are also very badly mistaken in saying that there is only oneperson here who has posted about successfully using oleander to ridthemselves of cancer or other conditions. Again, you need to go backand look at the posts.Maybe you are just having a bad day? That is what I am going to chalkyour post up to. This time.Tonyit comes from made special arrangements and I have made arraoleander soup, "evitachristanty"<evitachristanty@ ...>

wrote:>> -It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is about > another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to expensive an > made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by any > person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the > usa ,but americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i also > find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I told a > bit about a persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he still > has cancer ,I think a bit of care would be better instead of poking > fun ,.> you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give you > a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one personal > posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves in > this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem with > that as it is very hard for

someone to say my doctor is wrong an try > somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to try > somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be 99.99%> chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa cure > sucess ,but no personal results ,.> so I in no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a > great aid ,.> Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw ,> how much money are you making through your books ,commission on > silver etc through this forum ,.> > mervyn -- In oleander soup, "Tony" @> > wrote:> >> > Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish > (crawfish> > in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going back and> > forth to

Australia, having a few million . . .> > > > Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who > loves> > crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm only> > lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol> > > > Tony> > > > aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish> > oleander soup, "evitachristanty"> > <evitachristanty@ > wrote:> > >> > > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to him > > > etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know how > to > > > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer etc ,he > did > > > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he tried > the > > >

maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian said > he > > > had one off those things on the computer I have a letter with it > on , > > > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers or > how > > > to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a few > > > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .> > > oleander soup, Preferred Customer > > > <commonsense2265@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly site > ok..I > > > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step and > broke > > > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in > Sept..Take > > > care Janice> >

> > > > > > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@ > > > > wrote: I met a guy called brian > at > > > my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a > > > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat > liquids > > > with > > > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush fruit > > > called > > > > maroon bush ,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the webb > in > > > tea > > > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian ate > the > > > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to transport ,.but > > > they > > > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around > where I > > > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as well ,hold > a > > > lot

> > > > of promise ,.> > > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the > chance > > > of > > > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still drinks a > lot > > > of > > > > beer I wont follow him on that > > > > Mervyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels > with > > > FareChase.> > > >> > >> >> Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search.

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Thank you so much Dr. Goebel. I am a bit familiar with him but will

indeed make it a point to get a hold of those books.

 

 

 

oleander soup , Michael Goebel <goebelchx

wrote:

>

> Good message, . To see how hard it can be on an individual

who champions peoples' plights against cancer, I would point you to

the life of Dr. Wilhelm Reich. Many of his books are in print, as is

his biography written by his son. I recommend these books to anyone

who needs encouragement.

>

> Dr. Goebel

>

> May <luellamay129 wrote:

>

> Janice, what do you mean? You know Tony's sense of humor and you

know Tony was not making fun of anybody that has a lot of money or

that has cancer. He was kidding. I am so sorry that Mervyn took it

wrong. And I am so sorry that he left. Tony is too. He was in no

way downgrading anybody. You know Tony wouldn't do this.

>

> One thing that I personally don't understand is how can you

defend chemo in any form? It is totally against the purpose of this

forum and totally against what Tony believes. This is an oleander

forum using his cancer protocol that he has worked so very hard on

and it does work. He had nothing against the maroon bush except the

cost. And that is because he is looking out for all of you. I read

a post that said that he had researched the maroon bush and if there

was a way to get a hold of it and make it from scratch he would do

that too.

>

> It would be so very easy for him to tell everybody to buy the

Oleander remedy for $99.00 and go from there. But no, he has gone

out of his way to share with us how to make it for free so that we

might get well, or for those that are healthy to stay healthy.

>

> When it comes to mainstream medicine. No, there are not two

sides to every story. Chemo will destroy organs and wreck the immune

system. If a remission occurs, the cancer does return. I personally

can understand that someone with cancer would be afraid to try

something natural after having grown up with mainstream medicine.

But please listen to me! Cancer cannot exist in a body that is

perfectly alkalined. It is impossible. With my own eyes I have seen

people with only months to live become cancer free never for it to

return by becoming perfectly alkalined and living a healthy lifestyle

from then on. I don't believe for a second that any form of

mainstream medicine works. It is a bandaid. He does this out of

love for everybody.

>

> I have just finished talking with a lady who has just been

diagnosed with colon cancer. I was about to send her here. After

seeing this post, especially defending mainstream medicine, there is

no way I can refer her to this forum. What's the point? There is

bickering and all together a very uneasy atmosphere.

>

> Please Janice. Tony would never hurt anybody, you know that.

However, if someone does attack him or his methods that he has worked

so long to fine tune, yes he will defend himself. And I will defend

him too.

>

> His life consists of caring for people with cancer. He works all

day, sometimes round the clock on this. He doesn't have a life.

There are times that he will just lie down out of sheer exhaustion or

he has to go into town to get something.

>

> As we speak he is at a health trade show for a few days. After

that he is going to get much needed R & R.

> Then he will be back.

>

> Please. We have misunderstandings all around. Let's stop. And

maybe Tony won't be able to kid around anymore. I am dreadfully

sorry and I know he is too.

>

> Love and Hugs,

>

>

> May

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> Preferred Customer <commonsense2265

> oleander soup

> Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:44:20 PM

> Re: Re: Must be rough

>

> Tony, I think it unhealthy to downgrade people because they

have money..There are those that do a lot of good with their extra $$

there is nothing wrong in making money from one's knowledge, iti s

done all the time...But knocking Mervyn for having been perceived as

having money is a negative energy. Mervyn put me onto the Oleander

and I have purchased your book for someone in need, plus I know that

a chemo/chemical has been made from Oleander thta is used to treat

cancer so there are always 2 sides to a story.. I know some people

have been helped because the cost is low but the tonic I take for

keeping my cancer at bay is not cheap either but it works, it is an

individual thing..thanks Janice..

> Tony > wrote: I am sorry that you have

such a point of view and you missed my

> attempt at humor, Mervyn. I would think that such a longtime forum

> member would know me well enough to know that I poke harmless fun

from

> time to time - or at least that is my intention.

>

> A great many people who suffer from cancer do not have property in

> Bali, nor a few million dollars on the side. Some of them have had

> their finances exhausted by mainstream medicine, even to the point

of

> having to sell their homes and live in a trailer. In many such

> instances I have given my book away for free. And is some instances

> have arranged to have fairly expensive medicine sent to them free of

> charge - about $3000 worth apiece.

>

> So, when I see something that costs a great deal of money, I remind

> each and everyone that there are less expensive alternatives. In no

> way am I putting down the maroon bush and I will certainly do what I

> can to find out more about it. If, as you say, it can be made at

home

> like oleander soup, that is wonderful. And I sincerely do hope you

> keep us posted on information about the Maroon Bush. But otherwise I

> find $255 for 45 days worth of tea a bit excessive.

>

> Now, as to my income from my book - I doubt that half a dozen people

> in this forum have bought the book because of this forum - a great

> many members here came to this forum after buying the book because

the

> thank you email they receive includes an invitation.

>

> And, as for my whopping affiliate income from Utopia Silver - yes I

do

> make a few percent, when someone goes there by my affiliate link. I

> think my total affiliate sales so far have been about $150 from all

> sources, less than a third of which has come from the members of

this

> forum. Just like the sales of my book, this forum's contribution to

> my income is minuscule.

>

> What I did do was make arrangements for members here to get a 15%

> discount on any non-sale items at Utopia Silver, and I recommended

the

> company because I have known the owner since the second grade, know

> that his unique method he invented produces the best colloidal

silver

> on the planet, and also know about the other products they sell -

some

> of which he is adding at my recommendations.

>

> If you think for a minute that I am here to make money off book and

> affiliate sales, I suggest that you go back to the very first page

and

> look at my posts one by one, then go the file section and look at

the

> files I have added to this forum, and to the links and photos - and

> then you tell me - Have I done all of this for the past three years

to

> make about $100 bucks.

>

> You are also very badly mistaken in saying that there is only one

> person here who has posted about successfully using oleander to rid

> themselves of cancer or other conditions. Again, you need to go back

> and look at the posts.

>

> Maybe you are just having a bad day? That is what I am going to

chalk

> your post up to. This time.

>

> >

> it comes from made special arrangements and I have made arra

>

> oleander soup, " evitachristanty "

> <evitachristanty@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > -It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is about

> > another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to expensive

an

> > made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by any

> > person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the

> > usa ,but americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i

also

> > find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I

told a

> > bit about a persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he

still

> > has cancer ,I think a bit of care would be better instead of

poking

> > fun ,.

> > you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give

you

> > a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one personal

> > posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves

in

> > this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem

with

> > that as it is very hard for someone to say my doctor is wrong an

try

> > somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to

try

> > somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be

99.99%

> > chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa

cure

> > sucess ,but no personal results ,.

> > so I in no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a

> > great aid ,.

> > Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw ,

> > how much money are you making through your books ,commission on

> > silver etc through this forum ,.

> >

> > mervyn -- In oleander soup, " Tony " @>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish

> > (crawfish

> > > in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going

back and

> > > forth to Australia, having a few million . . .

> > >

> > > Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who

> > loves

> > > crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm

only

> > > lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish

> > > oleander soup, " evitachristanty "

> > > <evitachristanty@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to

him

> > > > etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know

how

> > to

> > > > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer

etc ,he

> > did

> > > > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he

tried

> > the

> > > > maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian

said

> > he

> > > > had one off those things on the computer I have a letter with

it

> > on ,

> > > > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers

or

> > how

> > > > to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a few

> > > > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .--- In

> > > > oleander soup, Preferred Customer

> > > > <commonsense2265@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly

site

> > ok..I

> > > > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step

and

> > broke

> > > > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in

> > Sept..Take

> > > > care Janice

> > > > >

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> > > > wrote: I met a guy called brian

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> > > > my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a

> > > > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat

> > liquids

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> > > > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush

fruit

> > > > called

> > > > > maroon bush ,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the

webb

> > in

> > > > tea

> > > > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian

ate

> > the

> > > > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to

transport ,.but

> > > > they

> > > > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around

> > where I

> > > > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as

well ,hold

> > a

> > > > lot

> > > > > of promise ,.

> > > > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the

> > chance

> > > > of

> > > > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still

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There was no bait in Tony's joke. Maybe he will have to announce that he is joking from now on. I do realize that there are people that are very sensitive and we must be careful with.

 

The key word that you used in your argument that people have been cured with chemo is "remission." Remission is not a cure.

 

I, too, have known people in remission from their medical treatment. The cancer has always come back. The lucky ones if they are strong enough are able to have it removed with additional surgery and withstand the additional chemo and radiation.

 

The Cancer Treatment Centers of America and those that use chemo and natural alternatives are better. However, chemotherapy has absolutely no beneficial effects on the body. It destroys organs and destroys the immune system.

 

It would be against Tony's core belief to state that there are times when chemo works. Why then would he have spent years and endless hours doing research on his protocol. His protocol includes living a healthy lifestyle in everyway, diet, exercise from this moment on, amen.

 

It is very strict and does take effort but there is healing, God's way.

 

I am not going to argue about the benefits of chemotherapy, radiation, or any mainstream medicine in this forum. Those claims are totally unfounded.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Leulla anyone that is naive enough to think that chemo has never cured anyone is closed minded. I know a lot of folks alive today because of it..Does it mean it is the best treatment, no it does not, natural is always preferable.. .I also know people on both chemo and natural and as a scientific fact did not respond to natural and did not respond to chemo but a little chemo and tons of natural have these people in remission.I know Tony jokes but sometimes under the guise of things said in a joke hurt people...If you are joking then put it in parenthesis. .I presumed he was but there was a little bait in there too...So just my 2 cents Janice May <luellamay129@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Janice, what do you mean? You know Tony's sense of humor and you know Tony was not making fun of anybody that has a lot of money or that has cancer. He was kidding. I am so sorry that Mervyn took it wrong. And I am so sorry that he left. Tony is too. He was in no way downgrading anybody. You know Tony wouldn't do this.

 

One thing that I personally don't understand is how can you defend chemo in any form? It is totally against the purpose of this forum and totally against what Tony believes. This is an oleander forum using his cancer protocol that he has worked so very hard on and it does work. He had nothing against the maroon bush except the cost. And that is because he is looking out for all of you. I read a post that said that he had researched the maroon bush and if there was a way to get a hold of it and make it from scratch he would do that too.

 

It would be so very easy for him to tell everybody to buy the Oleander remedy for $99.00 and go from there. But no, he has gone out of his way to share with us how to make it for free so that we might get well, or for those that are healthy to stay healthy.

 

When it comes to mainstream medicine. No, there are not two sides to every story. Chemo will destroy organs and wreck the immune system. If a remission occurs, the cancer does return. I personally can understand that someone with cancer would be afraid to try something natural after having grown up with mainstream medicine. But please listen to me! Cancer cannot exist in a body that is perfectly alkalined. It is impossible. With my own eyes I have seen people with only months to live become cancer free never for it to return by becoming perfectly alkalined and living a healthy lifestyle from then on. I don't believe for a second that any form of mainstream medicine works. It is a bandaid. He does this out of love for everybody.

 

I have just finished talking with a lady who has just been diagnosed with colon cancer. I was about to send her here. After seeing this post, especially defending mainstream medicine, there is no way I can refer her to this forum. What's the point? There is bickering and all together a very uneasy atmosphere.

 

Please Janice. Tony would never hurt anybody, you know that. However, if someone does attack him or his methods that he has worked so long to fine tune, yes he will defend himself. And I will defend him too.

 

His life consists of caring for people with cancer. He works all day, sometimes round the clock on this. He doesn't have a life. There are times that he will just lie down out of sheer exhaustion or he has to go into town to get something.

 

As we speak he is at a health trade show for a few days. After that he is going to get much needed R & R. Then he will be back.

 

Please. We have misunderstandings all around. Let's stop. And maybe Tony won't be able to kid around anymore. I am dreadfully sorry and I know he is too.

 

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Tony, I think it unhealthy to downgrade people because they have money..There are those that do a lot of good with their extra $$ there is nothing wrong in making money from one's knowledge, iti s done all the time...But knocking Mervyn for having been perceived as having money is a negative energy. Mervyn put me onto the Oleander and I have purchased your book for someone in need, plus I know that a chemo/chemical has been made from Oleander thta is used to treat cancer so there are always 2 sides to a story.. I know some people have been helped because the cost is low but the tonic I take for keeping my cancer at bay is not cheap either but it works, it is an individual thing..thanks Janice..Tony > wrote:

 

 

I am sorry that you have such a point of view and you missed myattempt at humor, Mervyn. I would think that such a longtime forummember would know me well enough to know that I poke harmless fun fromtime to time - or at least that is my intention.A great many people who suffer from cancer do not have property inBali, nor a few million dollars on the side. Some of them have hadtheir finances exhausted by mainstream medicine, even to the point ofhaving to sell their homes and live in a trailer. In many suchinstances I have given my book away for free. And is some instanceshave arranged to have fairly expensive medicine sent to them free ofcharge - about $3000 worth apiece.So, when I see something that costs a great deal of money, I remindeach and everyone that there are less expensive alternatives. In noway am I putting down the maroon bush and I will certainly do what Ican to find out

more about it. If, as you say, it can be made at homelike oleander soup, that is wonderful. And I sincerely do hope youkeep us posted on information about the Maroon Bush. But otherwise Ifind $255 for 45 days worth of tea a bit excessive.Now, as to my income from my book - I doubt that half a dozen peoplein this forum have bought the book because of this forum - a greatmany members here came to this forum after buying the book because thethank you email they receive includes an invitation.And, as for my whopping affiliate income from Utopia Silver - yes I domake a few percent, when someone goes there by my affiliate link. Ithink my total affiliate sales so far have been about $150 from allsources, less than a third of which has come from the members of thisforum. Just like the sales of my book, this forum's contribution tomy income is minuscule.What I did do was make arrangements for

members here to get a 15%discount on any non-sale items at Utopia Silver, and I recommended thecompany because I have known the owner since the second grade, knowthat his unique method he invented produces the best colloidal silveron the planet, and also know about the other products they sell - someof which he is adding at my recommendations.If you think for a minute that I am here to make money off book andaffiliate sales, I suggest that you go back to the very first page andlook at my posts one by one, then go the file section and look at thefiles I have added to this forum, and to the links and photos - andthen you tell me - Have I done all of this for the past three years tomake about $100 bucks.You are also very badly mistaken in saying that there is only oneperson here who has posted about successfully using oleander to ridthemselves of cancer or other conditions. Again, you need to

go backand look at the posts.Maybe you are just having a bad day? That is what I am going to chalkyour post up to. This time.Tonyit comes from made special arrangements and I have made arraoleander soup, "evitachristanty"<evitachristanty@ ...> wrote:>> -It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is about > another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to expensive an > made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by any > person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the > usa ,but americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i also > find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I told a > bit about a persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he still > has cancer

,I think a bit of care would be better instead of poking > fun ,.> you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give you > a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one personal > posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves in > this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem with > that as it is very hard for someone to say my doctor is wrong an try > somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to try > somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be 99.99%> chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa cure > sucess ,but no personal results ,.> so I in no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a > great aid ,.> Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw ,> how much money are you making through your books ,commission on

> silver etc through this forum ,.> > mervyn -- In oleander soup, "Tony" @> > wrote:> >> > Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish > (crawfish> > in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going back and> > forth to Australia, having a few million . . .> > > > Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who > loves> > crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm only> > lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol> > > > Tony> > > > aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish> > oleander soup,

"evitachristanty"> > <evitachristanty@ > wrote:> > >> > > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to him > > > etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know how > to > > > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer etc ,he > did > > > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he tried > the > > > maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian said > he > > > had one off those things on the computer I have a letter with it > on , > > > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers or > how > > > to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a few > > > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .> > > oleander soup, Preferred Customer > > > <commonsense2265@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly site > ok..I > > > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step and > broke > > > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in > Sept..Take > > > care Janice> > > > > > > > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@ > > > > wrote: I met a guy called brian > at > > > my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a > > > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat > liquids > > > with > > > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush fruit > > > called > > > > maroon bush

,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the webb > in > > > tea > > > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian ate > the > > > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to transport ,.but > > > they > > > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around > where I > > > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as well ,hold > a > > > lot > > > > of promise ,.> > > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the > chance > > > of > > > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still drinks a > lot > > > of > > > > beer I wont follow him on that > > > > Mervyn > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Janice

yes there are ignorant Australians and ignorant people all over the world who pretent to know many things and they dont.

As for Australians been isolated i dont egry with you we are not isolated, we are just far way from America.

maybe you need to travel to this baeutiful country and then tell me if we are isolated.

( is this a fight? who knows maybe depens how you react to this)

p.s. no its not a fight is a joke to show you how easy it is to get apset of what other people say or do

 

 

pp.s As for chemo been good to our health- well i have my on opinion and goes like this.

on morning the body says oh i dont feel good i need i bit of chemo.

Or you burn your hand and you put it back on the stove instead of under the tap.

this is my opinion and i will stick with it so dont get upset with me too

 

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Well Americans tend to think the the USA is the center of the universe..I am sure that in school it is imbedded this is so but even though they study other countries, albiet briefly, it is the minority who understand there is a huge world out there made of millions of people...When I first arrived in USA they asked if I spoke English, another good one is thinking that people from Australia come from Austria..Yes there are ignorant Australians but not on the same scale..It is because Australia and other countries are more isolated they tend to include the global piicture. Janiceevitachristanty <evitachristanty > wrote:

 

 

-It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is about another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to expensive an made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by any person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the usa ,but americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i also find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I told a bit about a persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he still has cancer ,I think a bit of care would be better instead of poking fun ,.you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give you a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one personal posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves in this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem with that as it is very hard for someone to say my doctor is wrong an try somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to try somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be 99.99%chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa cure sucess ,but no personal results ,.so I in no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a great aid ,.Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw ,how much money are you making through your books ,commission on silver etc through this forum ,.mervyn -- In oleander soup , "Tony" wrote:>> Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish (crawfish> in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going back and> forth to Australia, having a few million . . .> > Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who loves> crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm only> lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol> > Tony> > aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish> oleander soup , "evitachristanty"> <evitachristanty@> wrote:> >> > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to him > > etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know how to > > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer etc ,he did > > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he tried the > > maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian said he > > had one off those things on the computer I have a letter with it on , > > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers or how > > to look after his health but he has 4 crayfish boats an a few > > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .> > oleander soup , Preferred Customer > > <commonsense2265@> wrote:> > >> > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly site ok..I > > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step and broke > > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in Sept..Take > > care Janice> > > > > > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@> > > wrote: I met a guy called brian at > > my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a > > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat liquids > > with > > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush fruit > > called > > > maroon bush ,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the webb in > > tea > > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian ate the > > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to transport ,.but > > they > > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around where I > > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as well ,hold a > > lot > > > of promise ,.> > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the chance > > of > > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still drinks a lot > > of > > > beer I wont follow him on that > > > Mervyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > > FareChase.> > >> >>

 

 

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Chemo doesn't cure. Chemo damages. If you are lucky it damages the cancer far more than the rest of your body. Most are not that luck. The administrative or statutory law that declare only an FDA approved drug can cure or prevent disease and would have all absolutely believe this is an abomination. Only The Almighty can cure or prevent disease! Dr. Goebel May <luellamay129 wrote: There was no bait in Tony's joke. Maybe he will have to announce that he is joking from now on. I do realize that there are people that are very sensitive and we must be careful with. The key word that you used in your argument that people have been cured with chemo is "remission." Remission is not a cure. I, too, have known people in remission from their medical treatment. The cancer has always come back. The lucky ones if they are strong enough are able to have it removed with additional surgery and withstand the additional chemo and radiation. The Cancer Treatment Centers of America and those that use chemo and natural alternatives are better. However, chemotherapy has absolutely no beneficial effects on the body.

It destroys organs and destroys the immune system. It would be against Tony's core belief to state that there are times when chemo works. Why then would he have spent years and endless hours doing research on his protocol. His protocol includes living a healthy lifestyle in everyway, diet, exercise from this moment on, amen. It is very strict and does take effort but there is healing, God's way. I am not going to argue about the benefits of chemotherapy, radiation, or any mainstream medicine in this forum. Those claims are totally unfounded. May The Best Years in Life (launching soon) / /luellascorner.htm http://dipetanesoutheast.com Preferred Customer <commonsense2265 >oleander soup Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:43:28 PMRe: Re: Must be rough Leulla anyone that is naive enough to think that chemo has never cured anyone is closed minded. I know a lot of folks alive today because of it..Does it mean it is the best treatment, no it does not, natural is always preferable.. .I also know people on both chemo and natural and as a scientific fact did not respond to natural and did

not respond to chemo but a little chemo and tons of natural have these people in remission.I know Tony jokes but sometimes under the guise of things said in a joke hurt people...If you are joking then put it in parenthesis. .I presumed he was but there was a little bait in there too...So just my 2 cents Janice May <luellamay129@ > wrote: Janice, what do you mean? You know Tony's sense of humor and you know Tony was not making fun of anybody that has a lot of money or that has cancer. He was kidding. I am so sorry that Mervyn took it wrong. And I am so sorry that he left. Tony is too. He was in no way downgrading anybody. You know Tony wouldn't do this. One thing that I personally don't understand is how can you defend chemo in any form? It is totally against the purpose of this forum and totally against what Tony believes. This is an oleander forum using his cancer protocol that he has worked so very hard on and it does work. He had nothing against the maroon bush except the cost. And that is because he is looking out for all of you. I read a post that said that he had researched the maroon bush and if there was a way to get a hold of it and make it from scratch he would do that too. It would be so very easy for him to tell everybody to buy the Oleander remedy for $99.00 and go from there. But no, he has gone out of his way to share with us how to make it for free so that we might get well, or for those that are healthy to stay healthy. When it comes to mainstream

medicine. No, there are not two sides to every story. Chemo will destroy organs and wreck the immune system. If a remission occurs, the cancer does return. I personally can understand that someone with cancer would be afraid to try something natural after having grown up with mainstream medicine. But please listen to me! Cancer cannot exist in a body that is perfectly alkalined. It is impossible. With my own eyes I have seen people with only months to live become cancer free never for it to return by becoming perfectly alkalined and living a healthy lifestyle from then on. I don't believe for a second that any form of mainstream medicine works. It is a bandaid. He does this out of love for everybody. I have just finished talking with a lady who has just been diagnosed with colon cancer. I was about to send her here. After seeing this

post, especially defending mainstream medicine, there is no way I can refer her to this forum. What's the point? There is bickering and all together a very uneasy atmosphere. Please Janice. Tony would never hurt anybody, you know that. However, if someone does attack him or his methods that he has worked so long to fine tune, yes he will defend himself. And I will defend him too. His life consists of caring for people with cancer. He works all day, sometimes round the clock on this. He doesn't have a life. There are times that he will just lie down out of sheer exhaustion or he has to go into town to get something. As we speak he is at a health trade show for a few days. After that he is going to get much needed R & R. Then he will be back. Please. We have

misunderstandings all around. Let's stop. And maybe Tony won't be able to kid around anymore. I am dreadfully sorry and I know he is too. Love and Hugs, May Preferred Customer <commonsense2265@ >oleander soupThursday, August 23, 2007 1:44:20 PMRe: Re: Must be rough Tony, I think it unhealthy to downgrade people because they have money..There are those that do a lot of good with their extra $$ there is nothing wrong in making money from one's knowledge, iti s done all the time...But knocking Mervyn for having been perceived as having money is a negative energy. Mervyn put me onto the Oleander and I have purchased your book for someone in need, plus I know that a chemo/chemical has been made from Oleander thta is used to treat cancer so there are always 2 sides to a story.. I know some people have been helped

because the cost is low but the tonic I take for keeping my cancer at bay is not cheap either but it works, it is an individual thing..thanks Janice..Tony > wrote: I am sorry that you have such a point of view and you missed myattempt at humor, Mervyn. I would think that such a longtime forummember would know me well enough to know that I poke harmless fun fromtime to time - or at least that is my intention.A great many people who suffer from cancer do not have property inBali, nor a few million dollars on the side. Some of them have hadtheir finances exhausted by mainstream medicine, even to the point ofhaving to sell their homes and live in a trailer. In many suchinstances I have given my book away for free. And is some instanceshave arranged to have fairly expensive medicine sent to

them free ofcharge - about $3000 worth apiece.So, when I see something that costs a great deal of money, I remindeach and everyone that there are less expensive alternatives. In noway am I putting down the maroon bush and I will certainly do what Ican to find out more about it. If, as you say, it can be made at homelike oleander soup, that is wonderful. And I sincerely do hope youkeep us posted on information about the Maroon Bush. But otherwise Ifind $255 for 45 days worth of tea a bit excessive.Now, as to my income from my book - I doubt that half a dozen peoplein this forum have bought the book because of this forum - a greatmany members here came to this forum after buying the book because thethank you email they receive includes an invitation.And, as for my whopping affiliate income from Utopia Silver - yes I domake a few percent, when someone goes there by my affiliate link. Ithink my total

affiliate sales so far have been about $150 from allsources, less than a third of which has come from the members of thisforum. Just like the sales of my book, this forum's contribution tomy income is minuscule.What I did do was make arrangements for members here to get a 15%discount on any non-sale items at Utopia Silver, and I recommended thecompany because I have known the owner since the second grade, knowthat his unique method he invented produces the best colloidal silveron the planet, and also know about the other products they sell - someof which he is adding at my recommendations.If you think for a minute that I am here to make money off book andaffiliate sales, I suggest that you go back to the very first page andlook at my posts one by one, then go the file section and look at thefiles I have added to this forum, and to the links and photos - andthen you tell me - Have I done all of this for the

past three years tomake about $100 bucks.You are also very badly mistaken in saying that there is only oneperson here who has posted about successfully using oleander to ridthemselves of cancer or other conditions. Again, you need to go backand look at the posts.Maybe you are just having a bad day? That is what I am going to chalkyour post up to. This time.Tonyit comes from made special arrangements and I have made arraoleander soup, "evitachristanty"<evitachristanty@ ...> wrote:>> -It would seem that if you put a post in this forum that is about > another naterual medicine ,it is to be pushed off as to expensive an > made fun off ,maroon bush can be made the same as oleander by any > person who wants to collect it for free ,I know it is not in the > usa ,but

americia is also not the centre of the world either ,i also > find it very rude of tony to make fun on brian just because I told a > bit about a persons life ,brian may have a few dollars but he still > has cancer ,I think a bit of care would be better instead of poking > fun ,.> you say you want more facts about maroon bush ,.well let me give you > a few facts about this oleander forum ,their is only one personal > posting about a person being cured by taking oleander themselves in > this forum ,(posted by the same person),I dont have a problem with > that as it is very hard for someone to say my doctor is wrong an try > somethink else ,about 99%wont do it ,maybe,but to git someone to try > somethink made on their own stove an not see a doctor would be 99.99%> chance I would think ,we keep giting from you about south africa cure > sucess ,but no personal results ,.> so I in

no way say anythink against oleander as i think it is a > great aid ,.> Also to go on about which beer is best is the last straw ,> how much money are you making through your books ,commission on > silver etc through this forum ,.> > mervyn -- In oleander soup, "Tony" @> > wrote:> >> > Sounds like a tough life - living in Bali, catching crayfish > (crawfish> > in Texan if not craw daddies, and mud bugs in Cajun), going back and> > forth to Australia, having a few million . . .> > > > Mervyn, do you have a spare grass hut for a starving artist who > loves> > crayfish? Not to mention islands and beaches and oceans. I'm only> > lacking the few million bucks on the side . . .lol> > > > Tony> >

> > aLiving in Bali, catching Crayfish> > oleander soup, "evitachristanty"> > <evitachristanty@ > wrote:> > >> > > I will keep you posted on brian I need to talk a bit more to him > > > etc ,He is back in aust at the moment ,he would not even know how > to > > > turn a computer on ,an know nothing of sugar an cancer etc ,he > did > > > have chemo but refused an op ,with a month left to live he tried > the > > > maroon bush ,he told me who he brought the fruit off ,brian said > he > > > had one off those things on the computer I have a letter with it > on , > > > (he had an email address),Brian may know nothing of computers or > how > > > to look after his health but he has 4

crayfish boats an a few > > > million to boot an is still alive ,mervyn , .> > > oleander soup, Preferred Customer > > > <commonsense2265@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > wow mervyn that is awesome I will post this on the poly site > ok..I > > > have not been online lately much, I missed the bottom step and > broke > > > my ankle..ugh!! otherwise doing gret..Of to Aussie land in > Sept..Take > > > care Janice> > > > > > > > evitachristanty <evitachristanty@ > > > > wrote: I met a guy called brian > at > > > my apartments in bali .,doctors gave him a > > > > month to live he had had throat cancer an could only eat > liquids > > > with

> > > > a straw ,that was two years ago ,brian ate a aust bush fruit > > > called > > > > maroon bush ,scaevola spinescens ,.it is available on the webb > in > > > tea > > > > form ,look under maroon bush their are a few sites ,.brian ate > the > > > > fruit brought in frozen form ,but very hard to transport ,.but > > > they > > > > say the tea is fine to do it that way ,.a lot grows around > where I > > > > live in australia ,.brian also took vitamins etc as well ,hold > a > > > lot > > > > of promise ,.> > > > ps I sold brian an apartment as well didnt want to miss the > chance > > > of > > > > a sale an can follow what brian is doing ,brian still drinks a > lot > > > of > > > > beer I wont

follow him on that > > > > Mervyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels > with > > > FareChase.> > > >> > >> >> Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase.

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The only times mainstream doctors are needed would be in the case of broken bones, or stitches.

 

The people going to your health store for alternative treatment obviously were not taking the proper supplements and did not have the proper instructions in their natural care of their cancer. Many people go willy nilly on the alternative route and yes, those people will not live. This includes a total new way of living. The right diet and the right supplements. Furthermore, this is something that they must continue for the rest of their lives. Once stopped, the cancer may very well return.

 

Tony has testimonies of people who are healthy and alive years after natural healing of their cancers. However, they are still taking the oleander soup, and protocol and living a healthy lifestyle. This is most important. Those who stopped had the cancer return and they died.

 

I, on the other hand have seen the very same thing from my end. People who will seriously attack their cancer from a natural standpoint, are alive. I know these people and I talk to them. We are not talking five or six years, I am talking 10 and 20.

 

So what are you saying, that when one gets cancer they are going to die one way or another? You are actually saying that mainstream medicine works better than natural alternatives. This is great misinformation and someone in this forum reading this tripe could lose hope and die.

 

As for hoping I never need a doctor, let me enlighten you a bit. I have been in the grips of a doctor's treatments, with serious conditions, including at one point congestive heart failure. I was on oxygen at night. This was five years ago. By using natural alternatives, diet and exercise, I have not had congestive heart failure for five years. I have no swelling of anything. I can walk and run, breathing just fine all the time.

 

Lungs - So you may safely assume that my lungs were also a mess. I had asthma, bronchitis, and one doctor even use the words COPD referring to me. When I heard those words I said, Oh no, that has to go. I am not on ANY medications or inhalers whatsoever, yet I continue my healthy lifestyle in every which way. Had I stayed under a doctor's care I would be dead by now.

 

Arthritis - I could not walk up two steps of stairs my hips were so bad. This was two years ago. Using alternative treatments, I can sit on the floor and spring up like a three year old.

 

"As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I hope they never have a heart problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I know that from experience."

 

This statement is absolutetly insulting and demeaning to every natural health care professional and natural health advocate who works tirelessly day and night helping people and supporting people through their cancer.

"Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there are those times you need those mainstream doctors."

 

The problem is here that you "try" everything alternative. What's that supposed to mean. Do you not have a steady health regimen that you have committed to daily? And when you get sick, then you rely on a doctor?

 

This forum is to support people with cancer and lead them to their healing. Naturally. Arguing whether mainstream medicine has any place in the curing of medicine is ludricous in this forum.

 

I for one will not lead someone to their death with this kind of nonsense.

 

I ask you that if you cannot post anything positive about natural health care to not post at all. You are doing a unbelievable disservice to the people who truly need help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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donnab236 <donnab2oleander soup Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:48:35 AM Re: Must be rough

 

oleander soup, Preferred Customer <commonsense2265@ ...> wrote:>> Leulla anyone that is naive enough to think that chemo has never cured anyone is closed minded. I know a lot of folks alive today because of it..Does it mean it is the best treatment, no it does not, natural is always preferable.. .I also know people on both chemo and natural and as a scientific fact did not respond to natural and did not respond to chemo but a little chemo and tons of natural have these people in remission.> I know Tony jokes but sometimes under the guise of things said in a joke hurt people...If you are joking then put it in parenthesis. .I presumed he was but there was a little bait in there too...So just my 2 cents Janice> > > > > Janice, I must put my 2 cents in, too. I'm with

you.Having worked in my son's health food store for over 20 years, we have seen many people come in with this horrible cancer thing....... ...Many have strickly done alternative, gone to Mexico for treatment, and some have chosen chemo, then come to us for something else to take.Those that chose the alternative way may have lived a year or two longer but it eventuly got to them and they passed on over. The ones with chemo have been in remission for maybe 4 or 5 years and then it got them, too.As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I hope they never have a heart problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I know that from experience. Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there are those times you need those mainstream doctors.A saying I like, "you never know what you will do until you walk in those shoes".Donna B>> > >

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Dear May,

You are incorrect !! I overcame prostate cancer in 2000. It involved giving up sweets, red meat,pork and alkalizing my body. I used HP-8 , Dr Diana Budwigs natural cure and

did a lots of Chantuing(Praying) to kill it.

 

I'm on the site now as I have a gist tumer. From past experience, I have absolutely no doubt I could kill with alternate therapy!.

Oleander soup is awesome but takes too long . I have been taking 7 alternative solutions and they have kept it or made it benign. I agreed to surgury only for 2 reasons. My gall bladder is full of gallstones and the pain of those breaking loose is unbearable. Since the Cancer is now inactive and Chemo is not likely, Surgury is the best way for me.

The gestapo FDA would probably like for everyone to have the negative attitude on alternative medicine, you seem to have!

Bill Wilkins

P.S. I used oleander for only 4 days as it tasted bad.

B

 

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May

oleander soup

Friday, August 24, 2007 1:53 PM

Re: Re: Must be rough

 

 

 

 

 

The only times mainstream doctors are needed would be in the case of broken bones, or stitches.

 

The people going to your health store for alternative treatment obviously were not taking the proper supplements and did not have the proper instructions in their natural care of their cancer. Many people go willy nilly on the alternative route and yes, those people will not live. This includes a total new way of living. The right diet and the right supplements. Furthermore, this is something that they must continue for the rest of their lives. Once stopped, the cancer may very well return.

 

Tony has testimonies of people who are healthy and alive years after natural healing of their cancers. However, they are still taking the oleander soup, and protocol and living a healthy lifestyle. This is most important. Those who stopped had the cancer return and they died.

 

I, on the other hand have seen the very same thing from my end. People who will seriously attack their cancer from a natural standpoint, are alive. I know these people and I talk to them. We are not talking five or six years, I am talking 10 and 20.

 

So what are you saying, that when one gets cancer they are going to die one way or another? You are actually saying that mainstream medicine works better than natural alternatives. This is great misinformation and someone in this forum reading this tripe could lose hope and die.

 

As for hoping I never need a doctor, let me enlighten you a bit. I have been in the grips of a doctor's treatments, with serious conditions, including at one point congestive heart failure. I was on oxygen at night. This was five years ago. By using natural alternatives, diet and exercise, I have not had congestive heart failure for five years. I have no swelling of anything. I can walk and run, breathing just fine all the time.

 

Lungs - So you may safely assume that my lungs were also a mess. I had asthma, bronchitis, and one doctor even use the words COPD referring to me. When I heard those words I said, Oh no, that has to go. I am not on ANY medications or inhalers whatsoever, yet I continue my healthy lifestyle in every which way. Had I stayed under a doctor's care I would be dead by now.

 

Arthritis - I could not walk up two steps of stairs my hips were so bad. This was two years ago. Using alternative treatments, I can sit on the floor and spring up like a three year old.

 

"As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I hope they never have a heart problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I know that from experience."

 

This statement is absolutetly insulting and demeaning to every natural health care professional and natural health advocate who works tirelessly day and night helping people and supporting people through their cancer.

"Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there are those times you need those mainstream doctors."

 

The problem is here that you "try" everything alternative. What's that supposed to mean. Do you not have a steady health regimen that you have committed to daily? And when you get sick, then you rely on a doctor?

 

This forum is to support people with cancer and lead them to their healing. Naturally. Arguing whether mainstream medicine has any place in the curing of medicine is ludricous in this forum.

 

I for one will not lead someone to their death with this kind of nonsense.

 

I ask you that if you cannot post anything positive about natural health care to not post at all. You are doing a unbelievable disservice to the people who truly need help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

May

 

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donnab236 <donnab2 (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com>oleander soup Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:48:35 AM Re: Must be rough

 

oleander soup, Preferred Customer <commonsense2265@ ...> wrote:>> Leulla anyone that is naive enough to think that chemo has never cured anyone is closed minded. I know a lot of folks alive today because of it..Does it mean it is the best treatment, no it does not, natural is always preferable.. .I also know people on both chemo and natural and as a scientific fact did not respond to natural and did not respond to chemo but a little chemo and tons of natural have these people in remission.> I know Tony jokes but sometimes under the guise of things said in a joke hurt people...If you are joking then put it in parenthesis. .I presumed he was but there was a little bait in there too...So just my 2 cents Janice> > > > > Janice, I must put my 2 cents in, too. I'm with you.Having worked in my son's health food store for over 20 years, we have seen many people come in with this horrible cancer thing....... ...Many have strickly done alternative, gone to Mexico for treatment, and some have chosen chemo, then come to us for something else to take.Those that chose the alternative way may have lived a year or two longer but it eventuly got to them and they passed on over. The ones with chemo have been in remission for maybe 4 or 5 years and then it got them, too.As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I hope they never have a heart problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I know that from experience. Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there are those times you need those mainstream doctors.A saying I like, "you never know what you will do until you walk in those shoes".Donna B>> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase.>

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Bill,

I couldn't but help notice your comment about the gall stones. Have

you tried eating only apples and pears for a week? That is the

traditional natural remedy. On the last day you drink a cup of olive

oil, followed 30 minutes later by a cup of lemon juice (fresh).

 

The malic acid in apples and pears softens the hard matrix of the gall

stones. The olive oil is to make your gut slick and get your gall

bladder secreting powerfully. The citric acid in the lemons is to

complete the breaking of any hard stone matrices. You will then pass

out " greenish-brown melted marbles " in the toilet later.

 

A slower method is just to eat several apples or pears a day. A

supplement you can take is magnesium malate (I know this is not the

purist's choice, but it is an alternative for those who can't stand

apples!). This is malic acid buffered by magnesium. The magnesium, by

the way, is half the remedy for kidney stones; the other ingredient is

vitamin B-6.

 

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Bill,

I would also recommend reading some of Dr. Wilhelm Reich's books for

psychological and spiritual inspiration (not a substitute for the

Word). Dr. Reich goes extensively into the psychology which sets the

stage for cancer to take over the body. He is also like an old bear

ripping the cancer enemy to death. I recommend first, " The Cancer

Biopathy " as one volume in German, or in two volumes in the English

translation: 1) The Function of the Orgasm, and 2) The Cancer Biopathy.

Volume one is more the psychology, while volume two is more the

anatomy and physiology. If your local bookseller does not have the

books, try amazon.com.

 

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Either you are replying to the wrong person or you misread 's

post - is a 100 % supporter of alternative natural healing!

 

Anyone who supports mainstream medicine over nature for healing

underlying causes of chronic illness and disease is in the wrong

forum - and that certainly does not include my good fried, website

partner and new forum moderator .

 

Surely you meant to reply to another post - your reply does not

apply to or to her post.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " bill Wilkins " <w.wilkins

wrote:

>

> Dear May,

> You are incorrect !! I overcame prostate cancer in 2000. It

involved giving up sweets, red meat,pork and alkalizing my body. I

used HP-8 , Dr Diana Budwigs natural cure and

> did a lots of Chantuing(Praying) to kill it.

>

> I'm on the site now as I have a gist tumer. From past experience,

I have absolutely no doubt I could kill with alternate therapy!.

> Oleander soup is awesome but takes too long . I have been taking

7 alternative solutions and they have kept it or made it benign. I

agreed to surgury only for 2 reasons. My gall bladder is full of

gallstones and the pain of those breaking loose is unbearable. Since

the Cancer is now inactive and Chemo is not likely, Surgury is the

best way for me.

> The gestapo FDA would probably like for everyone to have the

negative attitude on alternative medicine, you seem to have!

> Bill Wilkins

> P.S. I used oleander for only 4 days as it tasted bad.

> B

> -

> May

> oleander soup

> Friday, August 24, 2007 1:53 PM

> Re: Re: Must be rough

>

>

>

> The only times mainstream doctors are needed would be in the

case of broken bones, or stitches.

>

> The people going to your health store for alternative treatment

obviously were not taking the proper supplements and did not have

the proper instructions in their natural care of their cancer. Many

people go willy nilly on the alternative route and yes, those people

will not live. This includes a total new way of living. The right

diet and the right supplements. Furthermore, this is something that

they must continue for the rest of their lives. Once stopped, the

cancer may very well return.

>

> Tony has testimonies of people who are healthy and alive years

after natural healing of their cancers. However, they are still

taking the oleander soup, and protocol and living a healthy

lifestyle. This is most important. Those who stopped had the

cancer return and they died.

>

> I, on the other hand have seen the very same thing from my end.

People who will seriously attack their cancer from a natural

standpoint, are alive. I know these people and I talk to them. We

are not talking five or six years, I am talking 10 and 20.

>

> So what are you saying, that when one gets cancer they are going

to die one way or another? You are actually saying that mainstream

medicine works better than natural alternatives. This is great

misinformation and someone in this forum reading this tripe could

lose hope and die.

>

> As for hoping I never need a doctor, let me enlighten you a

bit. I have been in the grips of a doctor's treatments, with

serious conditions, including at one point congestive heart

failure. I was on oxygen at night. This was five years ago. By

using natural alternatives, diet and exercise, I have not had

congestive heart failure for five years. I have no swelling of

anything. I can walk and run, breathing just fine all the time.

>

> Lungs - So you may safely assume that my lungs were also a

mess. I had asthma, bronchitis, and one doctor even use the words

COPD referring to me. When I heard those words I said, Oh no, that

has to go. I am not on ANY medications or inhalers whatsoever, yet

I continue my healthy lifestyle in every which way. Had I stayed

under a doctor's care I would be dead by now.

>

> Arthritis - I could not walk up two steps of stairs my hips were

so bad. This was two years ago. Using alternative treatments, I

can sit on the floor and spring up like a three year old.

>

> " As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I

hope they never have a heart

> problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I

know that from experience. "

>

> This statement is absolutetly insulting and demeaning to every

natural health care professional and natural health advocate who

works tirelessly day and night helping people and supporting people

through their cancer.

>

> " Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there

are those times you need

> those mainstream doctors. "

>

>

> The problem is here that you " try " everything alternative.

What's that supposed to mean. Do you not have a steady health

regimen that you have committed to daily? And when you get sick,

then you rely on a doctor?

>

>

>

> This forum is to support people with cancer and lead them to

their healing. Naturally. Arguing whether mainstream medicine has

any place in the curing of medicine is ludricous in this forum.

>

>

>

> I for one will not lead someone to their death with this kind of

nonsense.

>

>

>

> I ask you that if you cannot post anything positive about

natural health care to not post at all. You are doing a

unbelievable disservice to the people who truly need help.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> May

>

> The Best Years in Life (launching soon)

> /

> /luellascorner.htm

> http://dipetanesoutheast.com

>

>

>

>

>

> donnab236 <donnab2

> oleander soup

> Friday, August 24, 2007 7:48:35 AM

> Re: Must be rough

>

>

> oleander soup, Preferred Customer

<commonsense2265@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Leulla anyone that is naive enough to think that chemo has

never cured anyone is closed

> minded. I know a lot of folks alive today because of it..Does it

mean it is the best

> treatment, no it does not, natural is always preferable.. .I

also know people on both chemo

> and natural and as a scientific fact did not respond to natural

and did not respond to

> chemo but a little chemo and tons of natural have these people

in remission.

> > I know Tony jokes but sometimes under the guise of things said

in a joke hurt

> people...If you are joking then put it in parenthesis. .I

presumed he was but there was a

> little bait in there too...So just my 2 cents Janice

> > >

> >

> >

> > Janice, I must put my 2 cents in, too. I'm with you.

> Having worked in my son's health food store for over 20 years,

we have seen many people

> come in with this horrible cancer thing....... ...Many have

strickly done alternative, gone to

> Mexico for treatment, and some have chosen chemo, then come to

us for something else

> to take.

> Those that chose the alternative way may have lived a year or

two longer but it eventuly

> got to them and they passed on over. The ones with chemo have

been in remission for

> maybe 4 or 5 years and then it got them, too.

> As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I hope

they never have a heart

> problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I

know that from experience.

> Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there

are those times you need

> those mainstream doctors.

> A saying I like, " you never know what you will do until you walk

in those shoes " .

>

> Donna B

> >>

> >

> >

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Bill,

 

Please read my post again. I support alternative medicine 100% and

mainstream medicine 0%.

 

As for Oleander soup taking too long to make, it seems to me that for

one's health we would do whatever is necessary. Oleander has been

proven to work and Tony has given us this recipe to enable those of

us that cannot afford the supplement to make it for free.

Furthermore, Tony has given specific instructions on how to take the

oleander remedy without being affected by the taste. Matter of fact,

if one follows his instructions, the taste does not phase one at all.

 

oleander soup , " bill Wilkins " <w.wilkins

wrote:

>

> Dear May,

> You are incorrect !! I overcame prostate cancer in 2000. It

involved giving up sweets, red meat,pork and alkalizing my body. I

used HP-8 , Dr Diana Budwigs natural cure and

> did a lots of Chantuing(Praying) to kill it.

>

> I'm on the site now as I have a gist tumer. From past experience, I

have absolutely no doubt I could kill with alternate therapy!.

> Oleander soup is awesome but takes too long . I have been taking 7

alternative solutions and they have kept it or made it benign. I

agreed to surgury only for 2 reasons. My gall bladder is full of

gallstones and the pain of those breaking loose is unbearable. Since

the Cancer is now inactive and Chemo is not likely, Surgury is the

best way for me.

> The gestapo FDA would probably like for everyone to have the

negative attitude on alternative medicine, you seem to have!

> Bill Wilkins

> P.S. I used oleander for only 4 days as it tasted bad.

> B

> -

> May

> oleander soup

> Friday, August 24, 2007 1:53 PM

> Re: Re: Must be rough

>

>

>

> The only times mainstream doctors are needed would be in the case

of broken bones, or stitches.

>

> The people going to your health store for alternative treatment

obviously were not taking the proper supplements and did not have the

proper instructions in their natural care of their cancer. Many

people go willy nilly on the alternative route and yes, those people

will not live. This includes a total new way of living. The right

diet and the right supplements. Furthermore, this is something that

they must continue for the rest of their lives. Once stopped, the

cancer may very well return.

>

> Tony has testimonies of people who are healthy and alive years

after natural healing of their cancers. However, they are still

taking the oleander soup, and protocol and living a healthy

lifestyle. This is most important. Those who stopped had the cancer

return and they died.

>

> I, on the other hand have seen the very same thing from my end.

People who will seriously attack their cancer from a natural

standpoint, are alive. I know these people and I talk to them. We

are not talking five or six years, I am talking 10 and 20.

>

> So what are you saying, that when one gets cancer they are going

to die one way or another? You are actually saying that mainstream

medicine works better than natural alternatives. This is great

misinformation and someone in this forum reading this tripe could

lose hope and die.

>

> As for hoping I never need a doctor, let me enlighten you a bit.

I have been in the grips of a doctor's treatments, with serious

conditions, including at one point congestive heart failure. I was

on oxygen at night. This was five years ago. By using natural

alternatives, diet and exercise, I have not had congestive heart

failure for five years. I have no swelling of anything. I can walk

and run, breathing just fine all the time.

>

> Lungs - So you may safely assume that my lungs were also a mess.

I had asthma, bronchitis, and one doctor even use the words COPD

referring to me. When I heard those words I said, Oh no, that has

to go. I am not on ANY medications or inhalers whatsoever, yet I

continue my healthy lifestyle in every which way. Had I stayed under

a doctor's care I would be dead by now.

>

> Arthritis - I could not walk up two steps of stairs my hips were

so bad. This was two years ago. Using alternative treatments, I can

sit on the floor and spring up like a three year old.

>

> " As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I hope

they never have a heart

> problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I know

that from experience. "

>

> This statement is absolutetly insulting and demeaning to every

natural health care professional and natural health advocate who

works tirelessly day and night helping people and supporting people

through their cancer.

>

> " Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there

are those times you need

> those mainstream doctors. "

>

>

> The problem is here that you " try " everything alternative.

What's that supposed to mean. Do you not have a steady health

regimen that you have committed to daily? And when you get sick,

then you rely on a doctor?

>

>

>

> This forum is to support people with cancer and lead them to

their healing. Naturally. Arguing whether mainstream medicine has

any place in the curing of medicine is ludricous in this forum.

>

>

>

> I for one will not lead someone to their death with this kind of

nonsense.

>

>

>

> I ask you that if you cannot post anything positive about natural

health care to not post at all. You are doing a unbelievable

disservice to the people who truly need help.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> May

>

> The Best Years in Life (launching soon)

> /

> /luellascorner.htm

> http://dipetanesoutheast.com

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> donnab236 <donnab2

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> Friday, August 24, 2007 7:48:35 AM

> Re: Must be rough

>

>

> oleander soup, Preferred Customer

<commonsense2265@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Leulla anyone that is naive enough to think that chemo has

never cured anyone is closed

> minded. I know a lot of folks alive today because of it..Does it

mean it is the best

> treatment, no it does not, natural is always preferable.. .I also

know people on both chemo

> and natural and as a scientific fact did not respond to natural

and did not respond to

> chemo but a little chemo and tons of natural have these people in

remission.

> > I know Tony jokes but sometimes under the guise of things said

in a joke hurt

> people...If you are joking then put it in parenthesis. .I

presumed he was but there was a

> little bait in there too...So just my 2 cents Janice

> > >

> >

> >

> > Janice, I must put my 2 cents in, too. I'm with you.

> Having worked in my son's health food store for over 20 years, we

have seen many people

> come in with this horrible cancer thing....... ...Many have

strickly done alternative, gone to

> Mexico for treatment, and some have chosen chemo, then come to us

for something else

> to take.

> Those that chose the alternative way may have lived a year or two

longer but it eventuly

> got to them and they passed on over. The ones with chemo have

been in remission for

> maybe 4 or 5 years and then it got them, too.

> As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I hope

they never have a heart

> problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I know

that from experience.

> Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there

are those times you need

> those mainstream doctors.

> A saying I like, " you never know what you will do until you walk

in those shoes " .

>

> Donna B

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Arthritis - I could not walk up two steps of stairs my hips were so

bad. This was two years ago. Using alternative treatments, I can sit on

the floor and spring up like a three year old.i would love to know the " alternative treatments " that aided u to sit on the floor and " spring up " diana--

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I can only attribute this to the apple cider vinegar regimen.

 

oleander soup , " diana gia " <babygirl.di

wrote:

>

> wrote:

> Arthritis - I could not walk up two steps of stairs my hips were so

bad.

> This was two years ago. Using alternative treatments, I can sit on

the floor

> and spring up like a three year old.

>

>

> i would love to know the " alternative treatments " that aided u to

sit on the

> floor and " spring up "

>

> diana

>

>

> --

> http://www.succulents4u.com

>

> avid succulent grower

> kitchen witch

> good friend

> san marcos, california...sunny and warm

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Thanks , I also believe alternative treatments are best. Will reread your email again

Bill

 

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May

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Friday, August 24, 2007 10:54 PM

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Bill,Please read my post again. I support alternative medicine 100% and mainstream medicine 0%.As for Oleander soup taking too long to make, it seems to me that for one's health we would do whatever is necessary. Oleander has been proven to work and Tony has given us this recipe to enable those of us that cannot afford the supplement to make it for free. Furthermore, Tony has given specific instructions on how to take the oleander remedy without being affected by the taste. Matter of fact, if one follows his instructions, the taste does not phase one at all.oleander soup , "bill Wilkins" <w.wilkins wrote:>> Dear May,> You are incorrect !! I overcame prostate cancer in 2000. It involved giving up sweets, red meat,pork and alkalizing my body. I used HP-8 , Dr Diana Budwigs natural cure and > did a lots of Chantuing(Praying) to kill it.> > I'm on the site now as I have a gist tumer. From past experience, I have absolutely no doubt I could kill with alternate therapy!.> Oleander soup is awesome but takes too long . I have been taking 7 alternative solutions and they have kept it or made it benign. I agreed to surgury only for 2 reasons. My gall bladder is full of gallstones and the pain of those breaking loose is unbearable. Since the Cancer is now inactive and Chemo is not likely, Surgury is the best way for me.> The gestapo FDA would probably like for everyone to have the negative attitude on alternative medicine, you seem to have!> Bill Wilkins> P.S. I used oleander for only 4 days as it tasted bad. > B> - > May > oleander soup > Friday, August 24, 2007 1:53 PM> Re: Re: Must be rough> > > > The only times mainstream doctors are needed would be in the case of broken bones, or stitches.> > The people going to your health store for alternative treatment obviously were not taking the proper supplements and did not have the proper instructions in their natural care of their cancer. Many people go willy nilly on the alternative route and yes, those people will not live. This includes a total new way of living. The right diet and the right supplements. Furthermore, this is something that they must continue for the rest of their lives. Once stopped, the cancer may very well return.> > Tony has testimonies of people who are healthy and alive years after natural healing of their cancers. However, they are still taking the oleander soup, and protocol and living a healthy lifestyle. This is most important. Those who stopped had the cancer return and they died.> > I, on the other hand have seen the very same thing from my end. People who will seriously attack their cancer from a natural standpoint, are alive. I know these people and I talk to them. We are not talking five or six years, I am talking 10 and 20.> > So what are you saying, that when one gets cancer they are going to die one way or another? You are actually saying that mainstream medicine works better than natural alternatives. This is great misinformation and someone in this forum reading this tripe could lose hope and die.> > As for hoping I never need a doctor, let me enlighten you a bit. I have been in the grips of a doctor's treatments, with serious conditions, including at one point congestive heart failure. I was on oxygen at night. This was five years ago. By using natural alternatives, diet and exercise, I have not had congestive heart failure for five years. I have no swelling of anything. I can walk and run, breathing just fine all the time.> > Lungs - So you may safely assume that my lungs were also a mess. I had asthma, bronchitis, and one doctor even use the words COPD referring to me. When I heard those words I said, Oh no, that has to go. I am not on ANY medications or inhalers whatsoever, yet I continue my healthy lifestyle in every which way. Had I stayed under a doctor's care I would be dead by now.> > Arthritis - I could not walk up two steps of stairs my hips were so bad. This was two years ago. Using alternative treatments, I can sit on the floor and spring up like a three year old.> > "As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I hope they never have a heart > problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I know that from experience."> > This statement is absolutetly insulting and demeaning to every natural health care professional and natural health advocate who works tirelessly day and night helping people and supporting people through their cancer.> > "Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there are those times you need > those mainstream doctors."> > > The problem is here that you "try" everything alternative. What's that supposed to mean. Do you not have a steady health regimen that you have committed to daily? And when you get sick, then you rely on a doctor?> > > > This forum is to support people with cancer and lead them to their healing. Naturally. Arguing whether mainstream medicine has any place in the curing of medicine is ludricous in this forum.> > > > I for one will not lead someone to their death with this kind of nonsense.> > > > I ask you that if you cannot post anything positive about natural health care to not post at all. You are doing a unbelievable disservice to the people who truly need help.> > > > > > > > > > May> > The Best Years in Life (launching soon)> /> /luellascorner.htm> http://dipetanesoutheast.com> > > > > > donnab236 <donnab2> oleander soup > Friday, August 24, 2007 7:48:35 AM> Re: Must be rough> > > oleander soup, Preferred Customer <commonsense2265@ ...> > wrote:> >> > Leulla anyone that is naive enough to think that chemo has never cured anyone is closed > minded. I know a lot of folks alive today because of it..Does it mean it is the best > treatment, no it does not, natural is always preferable.. .I also know people on both chemo > and natural and as a scientific fact did not respond to natural and did not respond to > chemo but a little chemo and tons of natural have these people in remission.> > I know Tony jokes but sometimes under the guise of things said in a joke hurt > people...If you are joking then put it in parenthesis. .I presumed he was but there was a > little bait in there too...So just my 2 cents Janice> > > > > > > > > Janice, I must put my 2 cents in, too. I'm with you.> Having worked in my son's health food store for over 20 years, we have seen many people > come in with this horrible cancer thing....... ...Many have strickly done alternative, gone to > Mexico for treatment, and some have chosen chemo, then come to us for something else > to take.> Those that chose the alternative way may have lived a year or two longer but it eventuly > got to them and they passed on over. The ones with chemo have been in remission for > maybe 4 or 5 years and then it got them, too.> As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I hope they never have a heart > problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I know that from experience. > Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there are those times you need > those mainstream doctors.> A saying I like, "you never know what you will do until you walk in those shoes".> > Donna B> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase.> >>

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Diana Gia,

Try this site

www.drdavidwilliams.com

He has a product that uses mostly Australian herbs and the special natural lubricant from Japan that correct my major knee problem when I had excruting pain in both when I walked. After one month I had no knee pain and my cartilidge was rebuilt.

It's called

Joint Movement

Bill

 

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diana gia

oleander soup

Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:11 AM

Re: Must be rough

 

 

wrote:Arthritis - I could not walk up two steps of stairs my hips were so bad. This was two years ago. Using alternative treatments, I can sit on the floor and spring up like a three year old.i would love to know the "alternative treatments" that aided u to sit on the floor and "spring up"diana-- http://www.succulents4u.comavid succulent growerkitchen witchgood friendsan marcos, california...sunny and warmlove is all there is...!

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Tony,

I misread and apoligized. I will stop trying to reply to any posting until I read it 2 times. I deeply appreciate all the members in this forum as I feel everyone is here to help each other.

Bill

 

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Tony

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Friday, August 24, 2007 8:02 PM

Re: Must be rough

 

 

Either you are replying to the wrong person or you misread 's post - is a 100 % supporter of alternative natural healing!Anyone who supports mainstream medicine over nature for healing underlying causes of chronic illness and disease is in the wrong forum - and that certainly does not include my good fried, website partner and new forum moderator .Surely you meant to reply to another post - your reply does not apply to or to her post.Tonyoleander soup , "bill Wilkins" <w.wilkins wrote:>> Dear May,> You are incorrect !! I overcame prostate cancer in 2000. It involved giving up sweets, red meat,pork and alkalizing my body. I used HP-8 , Dr Diana Budwigs natural cure and > did a lots of Chantuing(Praying) to kill it.> > I'm on the site now as I have a gist tumer. From past experience, I have absolutely no doubt I could kill with alternate therapy!.> Oleander soup is awesome but takes too long . I have been taking 7 alternative solutions and they have kept it or made it benign. I agreed to surgury only for 2 reasons. My gall bladder is full of gallstones and the pain of those breaking loose is unbearable. Since the Cancer is now inactive and Chemo is not likely, Surgury is the best way for me.> The gestapo FDA would probably like for everyone to have the negative attitude on alternative medicine, you seem to have!> Bill Wilkins> P.S. I used oleander for only 4 days as it tasted bad. > B> - > May > oleander soup > Friday, August 24, 2007 1:53 PM> Re: Re: Must be rough> > > > The only times mainstream doctors are needed would be in the case of broken bones, or stitches.> > The people going to your health store for alternative treatment obviously were not taking the proper supplements and did not have the proper instructions in their natural care of their cancer. Many people go willy nilly on the alternative route and yes, those people will not live. This includes a total new way of living. The right diet and the right supplements. Furthermore, this is something that they must continue for the rest of their lives. Once stopped, the cancer may very well return.> > Tony has testimonies of people who are healthy and alive years after natural healing of their cancers. However, they are still taking the oleander soup, and protocol and living a healthy lifestyle. This is most important. Those who stopped had the cancer return and they died.> > I, on the other hand have seen the very same thing from my end. People who will seriously attack their cancer from a natural standpoint, are alive. I know these people and I talk to them. We are not talking five or six years, I am talking 10 and 20.> > So what are you saying, that when one gets cancer they are going to die one way or another? You are actually saying that mainstream medicine works better than natural alternatives. This is great misinformation and someone in this forum reading this tripe could lose hope and die.> > As for hoping I never need a doctor, let me enlighten you a bit. I have been in the grips of a doctor's treatments, with serious conditions, including at one point congestive heart failure. I was on oxygen at night. This was five years ago. By using natural alternatives, diet and exercise, I have not had congestive heart failure for five years. I have no swelling of anything. I can walk and run, breathing just fine all the time.> > Lungs - So you may safely assume that my lungs were also a mess. I had asthma, bronchitis, and one doctor even use the words COPD referring to me. When I heard those words I said, Oh no, that has to go. I am not on ANY medications or inhalers whatsoever, yet I continue my healthy lifestyle in every which way. Had I stayed under a doctor's care I would be dead by now.> > Arthritis - I could not walk up two steps of stairs my hips were so bad. This was two years ago. Using alternative treatments, I can sit on the floor and spring up like a three year old.> > "As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I hope they never have a heart > problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I know that from experience."> > This statement is absolutetly insulting and demeaning to every natural health care professional and natural health advocate who works tirelessly day and night helping people and supporting people through their cancer.> > "Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there are those times you need > those mainstream doctors."> > > The problem is here that you "try" everything alternative. What's that supposed to mean. Do you not have a steady health regimen that you have committed to daily? And when you get sick, then you rely on a doctor?> > > > This forum is to support people with cancer and lead them to their healing. Naturally. Arguing whether mainstream medicine has any place in the curing of medicine is ludricous in this forum.> > > > I for one will not lead someone to their death with this kind of nonsense.> > > > I ask you that if you cannot post anything positive about natural health care to not post at all. You are doing a unbelievable disservice to the people who truly need help.> > > > > > > > > > May> > The Best Years in Life (launching soon)> /> /luellascorner.htm> http://dipetanesoutheast.com> > > > > > donnab236 <donnab2> oleander soup > Friday, August 24, 2007 7:48:35 AM> Re: Must be rough> > > oleander soup, Preferred Customer <commonsense2265@ ...> > wrote:> >> > Leulla anyone that is naive enough to think that chemo has never cured anyone is closed > minded. I know a lot of folks alive today because of it..Does it mean it is the best > treatment, no it does not, natural is always preferable.. .I also know people on both chemo > and natural and as a scientific fact did not respond to natural and did not respond to > chemo but a little chemo and tons of natural have these people in remission.> > I know Tony jokes but sometimes under the guise of things said in a joke hurt > people...If you are joking then put it in parenthesis. .I presumed he was but there was a > little bait in there too...So just my 2 cents Janice> > > > > > > > > Janice, I must put my 2 cents in, too. I'm with you.> Having worked in my son's health food store for over 20 years, we have seen many people > come in with this horrible cancer thing....... ...Many have strickly done alternative, gone to > Mexico for treatment, and some have chosen chemo, then come to us for something else > to take.> Those that chose the alternative way may have lived a year or two longer but it eventuly > got to them and they passed on over. The ones with chemo have been in remission for > maybe 4 or 5 years and then it got them, too.> As for as saying someone doesn't like mainstream doctors, I hope they never have a heart > problem because that is when you need those doctors..... . I know that from experience. > Yes, I try everything alternative and have for years, but there are those times you need > those mainstream doctors.> A saying I like, "you never know what you will do until you walk in those shoes".> > Donna B> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase.> >>

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Diana,

Please read about CMO, trans-ceramyl-9-cetylmyristoleate. A search

will easily turn the information up for you. CMO was discovered by

Harry W. Diehl. While he was working at the National Institute of

Health, he discovered that he could not induce arthritis into mice w/

the standard crippling solution. After he retired, he continued his

research into what in mice genetics and biochemistry resulted in this

immunity to arthritis. He finally isolated a number of compounds, CMO

being the most active. It is now sythesized (preferrable in this case

to eating mice? Yukk), and it is cheap. You can get a good grade of

it from Rich Distributing. I had to take it for 17 days before I

noticed a change in my knees. (I ground asphalt into both knees almost

all the way to the bone in 1978.)

 

Good luck. Happy searching. God bless you. If you try it, please

share your results after a month or so of taking one to two capsules

per day.

 

This nutritional substance does not react unfavorably to any

prescription drug.

 

Dr. Goebel

 

 

 

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Dear Dr Goebel ( Micheal ),

Thank You from the botom of my heart for sending me the natural info on removing gallstones!!! I called my Doctor and told him I was starting the regimin today and he said go for it! He does not believe it will work and I want to prove to him that it does. I have a Fuji Apple tree and a Ni Ji Seki Pear tree in my back yard and have eaten 12 pears and 12 apples today.

I looked over many websites and the Gist tumor does not react as other cancers do to alternative therapy. I'm very proud to have stopped the growth , but many friends both Natural healers and Doctors say the absolute best way to get rid of a gist tumer is surgury. Also Chemo and Radation does not work against it!!!.

So I am going to have it removed Sept 7th , but not the Gallbladder , Thanks to you.

Bill Wilkins

 

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Friday, August 24, 2007 7:34 PM

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Bill, I couldn't but help notice your comment about the gall stones. Haveyou tried eating only apples and pears for a week? That is thetraditional natural remedy. On the last day you drink a cup of oliveoil, followed 30 minutes later by a cup of lemon juice (fresh). The malic acid in apples and pears softens the hard matrix of the gallstones. The olive oil is to make your gut slick and get your gallbladder secreting powerfully. The citric acid in the lemons is tocomplete the breaking of any hard stone matrices. You will then passout "greenish-brown melted marbles" in the toilet later.A slower method is just to eat several apples or pears a day. Asupplement you can take is magnesium malate (I know this is not thepurist's choice, but it is an alternative for those who can't standapples!). This is malic acid buffered by magnesium. The magnesium, bythe way, is half the remedy for kidney stones; the other ingredient isvitamin B-6.May you be guided by and blessed by God in your decisions.Dr. Goebel________Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool.http://autos./carfinder/

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