Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Love and understanding are the keys and they can work miracles - if they are combined with persistence in giving the message that someone does not have to die needlessly. There is nothing dignified about letting someone die because they mistakenly believe that there is no hope. Now, if they knew there was hope, very good hope in fact, and were simply tired of living, that would be different - but I do not think that is what we are talking about here. We are talking about letting a loved one, a parent even, stubbornly refuse to believe in hope because they have been brainwashed. And what I, and this forum, are all about is not accepting that brainwashing. And I for one, would never, ever, accept letting my father go in that way and would endeavor to convince him otherwise til MY last breath. As lovingly and understandingly as possible. So, OK, what if 4 out of 5 times such an approach failed? Or 9 out of 10 times. Maybe 99 out of 100. What if it were 999 out of 1000? That still would give you one more loved one who did not die needlessly. Once a loved one is gone, you do not get them back. Not in this world. And I for one will be damned if I will ever let them go easily to the next if I think I can keep them alive to enjoy this one! As long as YOU do not lose hope, then hope is there for them to grab onto, no matter how late it may be. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Oh, absolutely! One thing I remember when I was battling my cancer is when someone would try to encourage me, I would look very deeply into their eyes to " see " if they really meant what they said. I NEEDED to see truth and hope in their eyes. You see, cancer patients hear words differently than others. They pick up on those well-intentioned phrases that really mean " poor thing, no one beats cancer. " My alternative doc and my husband were the main ones that gave me this hope---especially my doc because he was the professional, in my eyes. If I asked him once I asked him a hundred times, " Do you REALLY think I am going to get well? " Then I would stare at his eyes and, to his credit, not once did his eyes ever tell me that he didn't mean or believe what he was saying. Then after I got well it was " Do you REALLY believe I will stay well? " LOL Sometimes you just can't win! Well, that was almost 7 years ago. It is difficult to have hope when conventional medicine tells you there is no hope or that you only have x months to live. I tell clients that there is ALWAYS hope and ALWAYS an answer IF we are willing to step out of the box. For some, I can literally see a heavy weight being lifted off of their shoulders, after they hear these words. Belief and faith play a tremendous part in getting the body well. The mind must come in line with the body and what the person is doing physically to get well. On the flip side, if a person is tired and ready to go, then there is nothing we can say, do or give them that will keep them here and it is then that we need to allow them to go. Be Well Loretta Love and understanding are the keys and they can work miracles - if they are combined with persistence in giving the message that someone does not have to die needlessly. There is nothing dignified about letting someone die because they mistakenly believe that there is no hope. Now, if they knew there was hope, very good hope in fact, and were simply tired of living, that would be different - but I do not think that is what we are talking about here. We are talking about letting a loved one, a parent even, stubbornly refuse to believe in hope because they have been brainwashed. And what I, and this forum, are all about is not accepting that brainwashing. And I for one, would never, ever, accept letting my father go in that way and would endeavor to convince him otherwise til MY last breath. As lovingly and understandingly as possible. So, OK, what if 4 out of 5 times such an approach failed? Or 9 out of 10 times. Maybe 99 out of 100. What if it were 999 out of 1000? That still would give you one more loved one who did not die needlessly. Once a loved one is gone, you do not get them back. Not in this world. And I for one will be damned if I will ever let them go easily to the next if I think I can keep them alive to enjoy this one! As long as YOU do not lose hope, then hope is there for them to grab onto, no matter how late it may be. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Tony, you are so right. I am with you all the way. Let me tell you something else if I may. My Mom had cervical cancer about 4 years ago and also had radiation treatments. She can't taste her food now at all. She is 72 years old. She says she feels tired all the time. She also has diabetes and is on all this medication for other things like blood pressure, high cholestrol and so forth. I am wondering if the oleander soup will help her too? If so, they both could benefit from it. Sometimes when you both are on the same regemin then it makes it easier to stay on it. I am keeping my fingers crossed that you say it will help her too. I will never give up on my parents, I love them with all my heart. DonnaTony wrote: Love and understanding are the keys and they can work miracles - ifthey are combined with persistence in giving the message that someonedoes not have to die needlessly.There is nothing dignified about letting someone die because theymistakenly believe that there is no hope. Now, if they knew there washope, very good hope in fact, and were simply tired of living, thatwould be different - but I do not think that is what we are talkingabout here.We are talking about letting a loved one, a parent even, stubbornlyrefuse to believe in hope because they have been brainwashed. Andwhat I, and this forum, are all about is not accepting thatbrainwashing. And I for one, would never, ever, accept letting myfather go in that way and would endeavor to convince him otherwise tilMY last breath. As lovingly and understandingly as possible.So, OK, what if 4 out of 5 times such an approach failed? Or 9 out of10 times. Maybe 99 out of 100. What if it were 999 out of 1000? That still would give you one more loved one who did not dieneedlessly. Once a loved one is gone, you do not get them back. Notin this world. And I for one will be damned if I will ever let themgo easily to the next if I think I can keep them alive to enjoy this one!As long as YOU do not lose hope, then hope is there for them to grabonto, no matter how late it may be.Tony Donna Lynn Lawson Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Thank you Dr. Loretta. I needed to hear that. I have not been in your shoes with cancer so I didn't know what a person with cancer was looking for in someone trying to help them. Thank you for sharing your testimony with me. I am learning a lot already and I don't even know anything about the Oleander soup yet. I am going to learn everything I can about it though so I can get my parents going on it as soon as possible so they can live long healthy life's. Thanks again for sharing. Donna "Dr. Loretta Lanphier" <drlanphier wrote: Oh, absolutely!One thing I remember when I was battling my cancer is when someone would tryto encourage me, I would look very deeply into their eyes to "see" if theyreally meant what they said. I NEEDED to see truth and hope in their eyes.You see, cancer patients hear words differently than others. They pick upon those well-intentioned phrases that really mean "poor thing, no one beatscancer." My alternative doc and my husband were the main ones that gave methis hope---especially my doc because he was the professional, in my eyes.If I asked him once I asked him a hundred times, "Do you REALLY think I amgoing to get well?" Then I would stare at his eyes and, to his credit, notonce did his eyes ever tell me that he didn't mean or believe what he wassaying. Then after I got well it was "Do you REALLY believe I will staywell?" LOL Sometimes you just can't win! Well, that was almost 7 yearsago.It is difficult to have hope when conventional medicine tells you there isno hope or that you only have x months to live. I tell clients that thereis ALWAYS hope and ALWAYS an answer IF we are willing to step out of thebox. For some, I can literally see a heavy weight being lifted off of theirshoulders, after they hear these words. Belief and faith play a tremendouspart in getting the body well. The mind must come in line with the body andwhat the person is doing physically to get well.On the flip side, if a person is tired and ready to go, then there isnothing we can say, do or give them that will keep them here and it is thenthat we need to allow them to go.Be WellLorettaLove and understanding are the keys and they can work miracles - ifthey are combined with persistence in giving the message that someonedoes not have to die needlessly.There is nothing dignified about letting someone die because theymistakenly believe that there is no hope. Now, if they knew there washope, very good hope in fact, and were simply tired of living, thatwould be different - but I do not think that is what we are talkingabout here.We are talking about letting a loved one, a parent even, stubbornlyrefuse to believe in hope because they have been brainwashed. Andwhat I, and this forum, are all about is not accepting thatbrainwashing. And I for one, would never, ever, accept letting myfather go in that way and would endeavor to convince him otherwise tilMY last breath. As lovingly and understandingly as possible.So, OK, what if 4 out of 5 times such an approach failed? Or 9 out of10 times. Maybe 99 out of 100. What if it were 999 out of 1000? That still would give you one more loved one who did not dieneedlessly. Once a loved one is gone, you do not get them back. Notin this world. And I for one will be damned if I will ever let themgo easily to the next if I think I can keep them alive to enjoy this one!As long as YOU do not lose hope, then hope is there for them to grabonto, no matter how late it may be.Tony Donna Lynn Lawson Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Donna - I think both your parents could very well benefit. I cringe to hear of your father getting radiation treatments - he could benefit right NOW - and I know that others have reported great improvement with diabetes, energy and more after taking oleander soup. Now, if your mother should decide to take the soup, she should proceed with caution due to her high blood pressure (oleander is a cardiac glycoside that cross assays with digooxin/digatalis, but the amount in the soup is very tiny). If she wishes to try it, she should start very slowly with a tiny dose and work her way up very gradually. I think the OPC product might be an excellent choice, as it also contains a botanical known to help with energy and overall wellness (sutherlandia frutescens). You know, the great natural health authority Jon Barron reports that by the time the average US citizen is 65, they take an average of 15 over the counter and prescribed medications daily - and it all starts out with one or two conditions that could have been treated naturally. Does that sound familiar to you? Perhaps your father and mother could see a good naturopath or integrative specialist to see what natural advice might be given to rebuild immune systems, boost energy and perhaps reduce some of the horrible side-effect laden drugs that mainstream medicine has hooked them on. oleander soup , Donna Lawson <lawson2396 wrote: > > Tony, you are so right. I am with you all the way. Let me tell you something else if I may. My Mom had cervical cancer about 4 years ago and also had radiation treatments. She can't taste her food now at all. She is 72 years old. She says she feels tired all the time. She also has diabetes and is on all this medication for other things like blood pressure, high cholestrol and so forth. I am wondering if the oleander soup will help her too? If so, they both could benefit from it. Sometimes when you both are on the same regemin then it makes it easier to stay on it. I am keeping my fingers crossed that you say it will help her too. I will never give up on my parents, I love them with all my heart. Donna > > Tony wrote: Love and understanding are the keys and they can work miracles - if > they are combined with persistence in giving the message that someone > does not have to die needlessly. > > There is nothing dignified about letting someone die because they > mistakenly believe that there is no hope. Now, if they knew there was > hope, very good hope in fact, and were simply tired of living, that > would be different - but I do not think that is what we are talking > about here. > > We are talking about letting a loved one, a parent even, stubbornly > refuse to believe in hope because they have been brainwashed. And > what I, and this forum, are all about is not accepting that > brainwashing. And I for one, would never, ever, accept letting my > father go in that way and would endeavor to convince him otherwise til > MY last breath. As lovingly and understandingly as possible. > > So, OK, what if 4 out of 5 times such an approach failed? Or 9 out of > 10 times. Maybe 99 out of 100. What if it were 999 out of 1000? > That still would give you one more loved one who did not die > needlessly. Once a loved one is gone, you do not get them back. Not > in this world. And I for one will be damned if I will ever let them > go easily to the next if I think I can keep them alive to enjoy this one! > > As long as YOU do not lose hope, then hope is there for them to grab > onto, no matter how late it may be. > > Donna Lynn Lawson > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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