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June 18, 2007

Thanks Muriel: I have a holistic vet and a regular vet..The shots could do the damage, but I quit giving shots except rabies..One dog I gave half shots of rabies so I should have done it for the second one maybe. Also we were going to kennel them but that was 18 months ago and had to have shots, then it turned out the kennel could not take them I subsequently found an individual, who works for my vet, that takes them and does not care about shots...I have to give them frontline for ticks only as we are infested with them..other than that I do natural. I give the rabies every 4 years.(we are surrounded by wild animals so that is a necessity) racoons, badgers. porcupines, coyotes you name it...And you could be correct as this dog has had to be de wormed several times and my other dog once. She eats the wild critters and gets so infected. It is not easy..The Olive leaf and the Oregeno caps seem to be working after 4 days as the sores are

getting smaller.This dog has had 3 operations back to back, one for huge lipoma, 2 for cheat grass, so that does not help...My husband says we should buy a vault for this dog it is so valuable. I will continue with my regiment of natural products. Today I purchased phytoplex and will add that . Will let you know the outcome...Have a great day..Janicemurielblackley2 <murielblackley2 wrote: Totally agree with you David. The sooner people stop assuming and treating doctors like God, the sooner they'll get

well. We have to take part in our own healing. Janice - very often 'immune disease' in dogs is vaccine related, or perhaps chemical flea/worm treatments etc. It could be worth talking also to a Homeopathic/holistic vet if possible as they can minimise reactions. Good luck, sounds like you're doing good so far :-) It was my first dog taught me that the vets and doctors are not always right. oleander soup , Preferred Customer <commonsense2265 wrote: > > Thanks David, As I said earlier people do more research on buying a car than choosing a doctor or finding out what can be done for a certain disease. At this time my vet wants steroids for my dog, with an "unkown" new infection -open sores- that antibiotics and steroids have no effect on. (they call it an autoimmune

disease but not even sure of that) I have been researching and asking and using Orageno oil caps 10:1 and Olive leaf drops and Alovera -cold pressed, liquid, it is finally showing some response. So one has to be always diligent. New diseases and "plauge like symptoms" are showing up in great numbers and no one has an idea how to treat ..So you experiment and try and see what does the best..This is the only way to save your life. My friend has a similar affliction to the dog (in Both the instances the vet and regular doc say it was airborne). So this is how it will be for a while so use all methods and look out for yourself...Janice > > ahzoov wrote: I don't give out much advice (maybe because advice is something that is more easily given than actually used), but one thing I tell people, often and adamantly is: know more than your doctor. > > When it comes to YOUR particular dis-ease, it isn't all that hard to know more than your doctor. Let's face it, it's your dis-ease, and not hers/his. That's why doctors continually under-medicate for pain: it's not her/his pain. > > The story I like to tell is about this little girl who was diagnosed with Frederick's Ataxia. The prognosis was not good. They'd start medicating her, increase the meds as her condition worsened, but she'd probably die by the age of fifteen. > > Her aunt wasn't satisfied with this diagnosis nor the prognosis and went to the library where she started researching Frederick's Ataxia. > > She spent every night for over two weeks in the library. > > One day, she came across a short paragraph that said that a certain (I can't remember which) B Vitamin deficiency has been misdiagnosed for Frederick's Ataxia.

She quickly researched this particular B Vitamin and found it was absorbed in the small intestine. When her niece was just a baby, they'd had to remove bits of her small intestine. > > She confronted her niece's physician with this information and the doctor shook his head and said, "Let's start her on B Vitamin injections and see what happens." > > Sure enough, that was her niece's problem: a B Vitamin deficiency. Today her niece is 21 and cares for invalids. > > No matter what your problem, it's yours. And it won't take much to learn more about that problem than your doctor knows. > > Besides, when it comes to health care, it's always best to have a team to work with, rather than just a single physician. Be a part of that team. > > David > > > > > >

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June 18, 2007

I do natural for fleas and ticks......My 70 lb mix chow female just turned 20 years and 7 months old. She sees well, hears good and just started having problems walking the last month or two. And I'm 23 years free of cancer.......that which the medical field left some after surgery. Natural works. OrusPreferred Customer <commonsense2265 wrote: Thanks Muriel: I have a holistic vet and a regular vet..The shots could do the damage, but I quit giving shots except

rabies..One dog I gave half shots of rabies so I should have done it for the second one maybe. Also we were going to kennel them but that was 18 months ago and had to have shots, then it turned out the kennel could not take them I subsequently found an individual, who works for my vet, that takes them and does not care about shots...I have to give them frontline for ticks only as we are infested with them..other than that I do natural. I give the rabies every 4 years.(we are surrounded by wild animals so that is a necessity) racoons, badgers. porcupines, coyotes you name it...And you could be correct as this dog has had to be de wormed several times and my other dog once. She eats the wild critters and gets so infected. It is not easy..The Olive leaf and the Oregeno caps seem to be working after 4 days as the sores are getting smaller.This dog has had 3 operations back to back, one for huge lipoma, 2 for cheat grass, so that does not help...My

husband says we should buy a vault for this dog it is so valuable. I will continue with my regiment of natural products. Today I purchased phytoplex and will add that . Will let you know the outcome...Have a great day..Janicemurielblackley2 <murielblackley2 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Totally agree with you David. The sooner people stop assuming and treating doctors like God, the sooner they'll get well. We have to take part in our own healing.Janice - very often 'immune disease' in dogs is vaccine related, or perhaps chemical flea/worm treatments etc.It could be worth talking also to a Homeopathic/holistic vet if possible as they can minimise reactions. Good luck, sounds like you're doing good so far :-)It was my first dog taught me that the vets and doctors are not

always right.oleander soup , Preferred Customer <commonsense2265 wrote:>> Thanks David, As I said earlier people do more research on buying a car than choosing a doctor or finding out what can be done for a certain disease. At this time my vet wants steroids for my dog, with an "unkown" new infection -open sores- that antibiotics and steroids have no effect on. (they call it an autoimmune disease but not even sure of that) I have been researching and asking and using Orageno oil caps 10:1 and Olive leaf drops and Alovera -cold pressed, liquid, it is finally showing some response. So one has to be always diligent. New diseases and "plauge like symptoms" are showing up in great numbers and no one has an idea how to treat ..So you experiment and try and see what does the best..This is the only way to save your

life. My friend has a similar affliction to the dog (in Both the instances the vet and regular doc say it was airborne). So this is how it will be for a while so use all methods and look out for yourself...Janice> > ahzoov wrote: I don't give out much advice (maybe because advice is something that is more easily given than actually used), but one thing I tell people, often and adamantly is: know more than your doctor. > > When it comes to YOUR particular dis-ease, it isn't all that hard to know more than your doctor. Let's face it, it's your dis-ease, and not hers/his. That's why doctors continually under-medicate for pain: it's not her/his pain.> > The story I like to tell is about this little girl who was diagnosed with Frederick's Ataxia. The prognosis was not good. They'd start medicating her, increase the meds as her condition worsened, but she'd probably die by the age

of fifteen. > > Her aunt wasn't satisfied with this diagnosis nor the prognosis and went to the library where she started researching Frederick's Ataxia.> > She spent every night for over two weeks in the library. > > One day, she came across a short paragraph that said that a certain (I can't remember which) B Vitamin deficiency has been misdiagnosed for Frederick's Ataxia. She quickly researched this particular B Vitamin and found it was absorbed in the small intestine. When her niece was just a baby, they'd had to remove bits of her small intestine. > > She confronted her niece's physician with this information and the doctor shook his head and said, "Let's start her on B Vitamin injections and see what happens." > > Sure enough, that was her niece's problem: a B Vitamin deficiency. Today her niece is 21 and cares for invalids. > > No matter what

your problem, it's yours. And it won't take much to learn more about that problem than your doctor knows. > > Besides, when it comes to health care, it's always best to have a team to work with, rather than just a single physician. Be a part of that team.> > David> > > > > > > See what's free at AOL.com. > > > > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love> (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. In my heart, I think a woman has two choices: either she's a feminist or a masochist." —Gloria Steinem

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June 18, 2007

Congratulations Orus on being cancer free for 23 years...Takes self discipline...JaniceOrus Moon <orusmoon11 wrote: I do natural for fleas and ticks......My 70 lb mix chow female just turned 20 years and 7 months old. She sees well, hears good and just started having problems walking the last month or two. And I'm 23 years free of cancer.......that which the medical field left some after surgery. Natural works. OrusPreferred Customer

<commonsense2265 > wrote: Thanks Muriel: I have a holistic vet and a regular vet..The shots could do the damage, but I quit giving shots except rabies..One dog I gave half shots of rabies so I should have done it for the second one maybe. Also we were going to kennel them but that was 18 months ago and had to have shots, then it turned out the kennel could not take them I subsequently found an individual, who works for my vet, that takes them and does not care about shots...I have to give them frontline for ticks only as we are infested with them..other than that I do natural. I give the rabies every 4 years.(we are surrounded by wild animals so that is a necessity) racoons, badgers. porcupines, coyotes you name it...And you could be correct as this dog has had to be de wormed several

times and my other dog once. She eats the wild critters and gets so infected. It is not easy..The Olive leaf and the Oregeno caps seem to be working after 4 days as the sores are getting smaller.This dog has had 3 operations back to back, one for huge lipoma, 2 for cheat grass, so that does not help...My husband says we should buy a vault for this dog it is so valuable. I will continue with my regiment of natural products. Today I purchased phytoplex and will add that . Will let you know the outcome...Have a great day..Janicemurielblackley2 <murielblackley2 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Totally agree with you David. The sooner people stop assuming and treating doctors like God, the sooner they'll get well. We have to take part in our own healing.Janice - very often 'immune

disease' in dogs is vaccine related, or perhaps chemical flea/worm treatments etc.It could be worth talking also to a Homeopathic/holistic vet if possible as they can minimise reactions. Good luck, sounds like you're doing good so far :-)It was my first dog taught me that the vets and doctors are not always right.oleander soup , Preferred Customer <commonsense2265 wrote:>> Thanks David, As I said earlier people do more research on buying a car than choosing a doctor or finding out what can be done for a certain disease. At this time my vet wants steroids for my dog, with an "unkown" new infection -open sores- that antibiotics and steroids have no effect on. (they call it an autoimmune disease but not even sure of that) I have been researching and asking and using Orageno oil caps 10:1 and

Olive leaf drops and Alovera -cold pressed, liquid, it is finally showing some response. So one has to be always diligent. New diseases and "plauge like symptoms" are showing up in great numbers and no one has an idea how to treat ..So you experiment and try and see what does the best..This is the only way to save your life. My friend has a similar affliction to the dog (in Both the instances the vet and regular doc say it was airborne). So this is how it will be for a while so use all methods and look out for yourself...Janice> > ahzoov wrote: I don't give out much advice (maybe because advice is something that is more easily given than actually used), but one thing I tell people, often and adamantly is: know more than your doctor. > > When it comes to YOUR particular dis-ease, it isn't all that hard to know more than your doctor. Let's face it, it's your dis-ease, and not hers/his.

That's why doctors continually under-medicate for pain: it's not her/his pain.> > The story I like to tell is about this little girl who was diagnosed with Frederick's Ataxia. The prognosis was not good. They'd start medicating her, increase the meds as her condition worsened, but she'd probably die by the age of fifteen. > > Her aunt wasn't satisfied with this diagnosis nor the prognosis and went to the library where she started researching Frederick's Ataxia.> > She spent every night for over two weeks in the library. > > One day, she came across a short paragraph that said that a certain (I can't remember which) B Vitamin deficiency has been misdiagnosed for Frederick's Ataxia. She quickly researched this particular B Vitamin and found it was absorbed in the small intestine. When her niece was just a baby, they'd had to remove bits of her small intestine. >

> She confronted her niece's physician with this information and the doctor shook his head and said, "Let's start her on B Vitamin injections and see what happens." > > Sure enough, that was her niece's problem: a B Vitamin deficiency. Today her niece is 21 and cares for invalids. > > No matter what your problem, it's yours. And it won't take much to learn more about that problem than your doctor knows. > > Besides, when it comes to health care, it's always best to have a team to work with, rather than just a single physician. Be a part of that team.> > David> > > > > > > See what's free at AOL.com. > > > > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love> (and love to hate):

TV's Guilty Pleasures list.> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. In my heart, I think a woman has two choices: either she's a feminist or a masochist." —Gloria Steinem Need a

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