Doctor-/plus our own responsibility

[Guest guest]

Our world is in turmoil and we are here to learn...We have a responsibility to ourselves to seek out the best medical care and alternative care. It is up to us to research and study for ourselves. The state of the doctors failings is in part due to personal negligence. People want a pill, they want a quick fix, they are not interested in finding out how their body works. When I worked for a private practice doctor in the seventy's people would become very angry if you suggested a natural remedy versus giving a pill...We area a fast paced society where pleasing self comes first so it is just not doctors who are negligent..We need to be mindful of our own failings and look to helping ourselves and using body, mind, and spirity...JaniceTony wrote: Better Health Update #47 - Monte Kline, Clinical Nutritionist Doctor-Caused Disease One of the most common causes of disease (if not the most common cause) is conventional medical doctors! Sad, but too often true. The medical term coined to describe this problem is iatrogenic disease, from the Greek "iatros" meaning physician and "genesis" meaning origin. Thus we have doctor-caused disease. Specifically, iatrogenic disease is defined as: Any adverse reaction, either major or minor, to a medical or surgical treatment. The late Robert Mendelsohn, M.D., while Chairman of the Medical Licensing Committee for the State of Illinois and Associate

Professor of Preventive Medicine and Community Health at the University of Illinois School of Medicine, wrote: . . . the greatest danger to your health is the doctor who practices Modern Medicine. I believe that Modern Medicine's treatments for disease are seldom effective, and that they're often more dangerous than the diseases they're designed to treat . . . I believe that more than 90% of Modern Medicine could disappear from the face of the earth-doctors, hospital, drugs, and equipment-and the effect on our health would be immediate and beneficial. DOCTORS ON STRIKE Whenever medical doctors go on strike, a most interesting phenomenon occurs - death rates go down! In 1976 in Bogota, Columbia medical doctors went on strike for 52 days, with only emergency care available. The death rate dropped by 35%. In 1976 in Los Angeles County a similar doctors' strike resulted in an 18% drop in mortality.

As soon as the strike was over, the death rate went back to normal. A 50% decrease in mortality occurred in Israel in 1973 when there was a one month doctor's strike! HEALTH CARE CUTBACKS for the rest of the article, go to: http://www.pacifichealthcenter.com/updates/47.asp

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You have a resounding "Amen, Sister" from me, Janice. Dr. Goebel

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[Guest guest]

You are very right Janice - we should be responsible for doing our own

research and making informed decisions based on what is best for our

health instead of looking for quick fixes or listening to hype and

misinformation.

 

I would point out though, that generations of us have now been taught

that science and medicine had an answer for everything. We have been

sold on quick fixes like microwave ovens, instant foods and fast food

restaurants.

 

We are learning that science and medicine do not have all the answers.

Take nuclear waste, toxins and pollution for examples. Or cancer.

 

On the one hand we can be blamed for taking the easy way out, but on

the other it is hard to blame us for generations of misinformation and

marketing or for believing in the institutions we have been told to

trust implicitly.

 

 

" The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his

patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and

prevention of disease. "

- Thomas Edison

 

oleander soup , Preferred Customer

<commonsense2265 wrote:

>

> Our world is in turmoil and we are here to learn...We have a

responsibility to ourselves to seek out the best medical care and

alternative care. It is up to us to research and study for ourselves.

The state of the doctors failings is in part due to personal

negligence. People want a pill, they want a quick fix, they are not

interested in finding out how their body works. When I worked for a

private practice doctor in the seventy's people would become very

angry if you suggested a natural remedy versus giving a pill...We area

a fast paced society where pleasing self comes first so it is just

not doctors who are negligent..We need to be mindful of our own

failings and look to helping ourselves and using body, mind, and

spirity...Janice

>

> Tony wrote: Better

Health Update #47 - Monte Kline, Clinical Nutritionist

>

> Doctor-Caused Disease

>

> One of the most common causes of disease (if not the most common

> cause) is conventional medical doctors! Sad, but too often true. The

> medical term coined to describe this problem is iatrogenic disease,

> from the Greek " iatros " meaning physician and " genesis " meaning

> origin. Thus we have doctor-caused disease. Specifically, iatrogenic

> disease is defined as:

>

> Any adverse reaction, either major or minor, to a medical or surgical

> treatment.

>

> The late Robert Mendelsohn, M.D., while Chairman of the Medical

> Licensing Committee for the State of Illinois and Associate Professor

> of Preventive Medicine and Community Health at the University of

> Illinois School of Medicine, wrote:

>

> . . . the greatest danger to your health is the doctor who practices

> Modern Medicine. I believe that Modern Medicine's treatments for

> disease are seldom effective, and that they're often more dangerous

> than the diseases they're designed to treat . . . I believe that more

> than 90% of Modern Medicine could disappear from the face of the

> earth-doctors, hospital, drugs, and equipment-and the effect on our

> health would be immediate and beneficial.

>

> DOCTORS ON STRIKE

>

> Whenever medical doctors go on strike, a most interesting phenomenon

> occurs - death rates go down! In 1976 in Bogota, Columbia medical

> doctors went on strike for 52 days, with only emergency care

> available. The death rate dropped by 35%. In 1976 in Los Angeles

> County a similar doctors' strike resulted in an 18% drop in mortality.

> As soon as the strike was over, the death rate went back to normal. A

> 50% decrease in mortality occurred in Israel in 1973 when there was a

> one month doctor's strike!

>

> HEALTH CARE CUTBACKS

>

> for the rest of the article, go to:

> http://www.pacifichealthcenter.com/updates/47.asp

 

> Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket:

mail, news, photos & more.

>

[Guest guest]

I have been reading everything everyone has to say about taking care of our

bodies. I truly

believe that we should do everything possible to do that when we can.

Having a son that is a chiropractor and a son that has owned a health food store

for 21

years, and working with him in the store, I am very aware of that way of life.

There are times that things happen to our bodies that we can't fix.

I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve Prolapse when I was 30. Most of the time that

doesn't

make any big differences in ones life. At the age of 60, I had a 30% leakage and

could

hardly function anymore. I thank God everyday that there was a Doctor that could

fix that

for me. I would not be writing this if it wasn't for him repairing my mitral

valve. That will

be 10 years this July.

About 4 years ago, I started having some Afib attacks. So, I have to take some

of those

medicines and if I didn't, I probably would be in trouble.

I just want to say, there are times we just have to take some of the drugs in

order to have

some quality of life.

Just had to express myself.

Till we walk in those shoes, we don't know what we would do.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Indeed, Donna, mainstream western medicine is the best when it comes

to repairing broken parts and physically damaged parts.

 

Other than that though, I would only turn to mainstream medicine if

all possible natural approaches failed and perhaps not even then. As

you say, I would just have to walk in those shoes to really know.

 

I am not aware of a lot of information on natural approaches to

treating Atrial Fibrillation. You no doubt know a lot more than I do

about it. From what I understand, supplementing with magnesium,

potassium, CoQ10 and L-carnitine may help. I personally take all four

of those daily.

 

One of these days I will have to stop by to say hi to you and your son.

 

 

" The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his

patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and

prevention of disease. "

- Thomas Edison

 

oleander soup , " donnab236 " <donnab2 wrote:

>

> I have been reading everything everyone has to say about taking care

of our bodies. I truly

> believe that we should do everything possible to do that when we can.

> Having a son that is a chiropractor and a son that has owned a

health food store for 21

> years, and working with him in the store, I am very aware of that

way of life.

> There are times that things happen to our bodies that we can't fix.

> I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve Prolapse when I was 30. Most of

the time that doesn't

> make any big differences in ones life. At the age of 60, I had a 30%

leakage and could

> hardly function anymore. I thank God everyday that there was a

Doctor that could fix that

> for me. I would not be writing this if it wasn't for him repairing

my mitral valve. That will

> be 10 years this July.

> About 4 years ago, I started having some Afib attacks. So, I have to

take some of those

> medicines and if I didn't, I probably would be in trouble.

> I just want to say, there are times we just have to take some of the

drugs in order to have

> some quality of life.

> Just had to express myself.

> Till we walk in those shoes, we don't know what we would do.

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

--->

> I am not aware of a lot of information on natural approaches to

> treating Atrial Fibrillation. You no doubt know a lot more than I do

> about it. From what I understand, supplementing with magnesium,

> potassium, CoQ10 and L-carnitine may help. I personally take all four

> of those daily.

>

> One of these days I will have to stop by to say hi to you and your son.

>

> Tony, I have taken those supplements for years...It is an electrical thing

that just

happens sometimes and can be triggered by different things.

Caffeine ,Chocolate and MSG are triggers . I avoid all three of them. I haven't

had chocolate

in 4 years.......I loved it, too.

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

MSG is so insidious in our foods. It is disguised under so many

different terms that it is almost impossible to avoid completely - and

that is just the items you buy that are labeled and not all the menu

items you order out.

 

 

oleander soup , " donnab236 " <donnab2 wrote:

>

> --->

> > I am not aware of a lot of information on natural approaches to

> > treating Atrial Fibrillation. You no doubt know a lot more than I do

> > about it. From what I understand, supplementing with magnesium,

> > potassium, CoQ10 and L-carnitine may help. I personally take all four

> > of those daily.

> >

> > One of these days I will have to stop by to say hi to you and your

son.

> >

> > Tony, I have taken those supplements for years...It is an

electrical thing that just

> happens sometimes and can be triggered by different things.

> Caffeine ,Chocolate and MSG are triggers . I avoid all three of

them. I haven't had chocolate

> in 4 years.......I loved it, too.

>

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

> MSG is so insidious in our foods. It is disguised under so many

> different terms that it is almost impossible to avoid completely - and

> that is just the items you buy that are labeled and not all the menu

> items you order out.

 

 

>

> I know, and that is why I seldom eat out. It is scary to read the list of

things that really is

MSG.

For instance, where do you eat out in Utopia?

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

You mean there are places to eat in Utopia? lol

The Pizza Place is always closed when I am in town, the new Mexican

food place is horrible and won't last. I have had breakfast once and

two cheeseburgers at the Lost Maples Restaurant.

 

Mostly, when I have eaten out it has been in one of the larger cities

nearby - Uvalde or San Antonio. I did eat at Luchenbach one evening

when we saw Paula Reece play and once at Neal's in Concan, where oddly

enough we ended up sitting with Pauline. At the House Pasture I only

had a salad and an appetizer - too ritzy for a starving writer when

the burgers run to $12 and three (that would be 3) butterfly shrimp ar

a mere $23.98

 

I freely admit I fudge now and then - but then I have no serious

health issues and operate under the idea (or illusion) that the

combination of about 20-25 daily natural vitamins, minerals and

supplement pills/capsules/liquids combined with all the rabbit food

and healthy food - raw veggies and raw fruits, seeds and all, juices,

nuts, cold water fish, local honey, stevia, organic food, pure air and

filtered water, sunshine, exercise, etc. - affords me a fudge now and

then.

 

I know, justification and all that, but I assure you that if I were to

have a serious condition, especially cancer, I would be quite the

purist until it was long conquered.

 

Not that I don't have a few issues I am working on through diet,

exercise, supplementation and a few lifestyle adjustments. Realizing

that I was not destined to be young and immortal forever is what

started me down the path of researching natural health years ago - and

I am still learning that lesson!

 

BTW, as an update - the spidey bite is healing nicely.

 

 

oleander soup , " donnab236 " <donnab2 wrote:

>

> oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote:

> >

> > MSG is so insidious in our foods. It is disguised under so many

> > different terms that it is almost impossible to avoid completely - and

> > that is just the items you buy that are labeled and not all the menu

> > items you order out.

>

>

> >

> > I know, and that is why I seldom eat out. It is scary to read the

list of things that really is

> MSG.

> For instance, where do you eat out in Utopia?

>

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Donna we still need our doctors and that is where we come in , we need to research and know when we do. Most people put a lot more time into selecting a new car than researching there doctor but we still need them...Janicedonnab236 <donnab2 wrote: I have been reading everything everyone has to say about taking care of our bodies. I truly believe that we should do everything possible to do that when we can. Having a son that is a chiropractor and a son that has owned a health food store for 21 years, and

working with him in the store, I am very aware of that way of life. There are times that things happen to our bodies that we can't fix. I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve Prolapse when I was 30. Most of the time that doesn't make any big differences in ones life. At the age of 60, I had a 30% leakage and could hardly function anymore. I thank God everyday that there was a Doctor that could fix that for me. I would not be writing this if it wasn't for him repairing my mitral valve. That will be 10 years this July. About 4 years ago, I started having some Afib attacks. So, I have to take some of those medicines and if I didn't, I probably would be in trouble. I just want to say, there are times we just have to take some of the drugs in order to have some quality of life. Just had to express myself. Till we walk in those shoes, we don't know what we would do. Donna

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[Guest guest]

I don't give out much advice (maybe because advice is something that is more easily given than actually used), but one thing I tell people, often and adamantly is: know more than your doctor.

 

When it comes to YOUR particular dis-ease, it isn't all that hard to know more than your doctor. Let's face it, it's your dis-ease, and not hers/his. That's why doctors continually under-medicate for pain: it's not her/his pain.

 

The story I like to tell is about this little girl who was diagnosed with Frederick's Ataxia. The prognosis was not good. They'd start medicating her, increase the meds as her condition worsened, but she'd probably die by the age of fifteen.

 

Her aunt wasn't satisfied with this diagnosis nor the prognosis and went to the library where she started researching Frederick's Ataxia.

 

She spent every night for over two weeks in the library.

 

One day, she came across a short paragraph that said that a certain (I can't remember which) B Vitamin deficiency has been misdiagnosed for Frederick's Ataxia. She quickly researched this particular B Vitamin and found it was absorbed in the small intestine. When her niece was just a baby, they'd had to remove bits of her small intestine.

 

She confronted her niece's physician with this information and the doctor shook his head and said, "Let's start her on B Vitamin injections and see what happens."

 

Sure enough, that was her niece's problem: a B Vitamin deficiency. Today her niece is 21 and cares for invalids.

 

No matter what your problem, it's yours. And it won't take much to learn more about that problem than your doctor knows.

 

Besides, when it comes to health care, it's always best to have a team to work with, rather than just a single physician. Be a part of that team.

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks David, As I said earlier people do more research on buying a car than choosing a doctor or finding out what can be done for a certain disease. At this time my vet wants steroids for my dog, with an "unkown" new infection -open sores- that antibiotics and steroids have no effect on. (they call it an autoimmune disease but not even sure of that) I have been researching and asking and using Orageno oil caps 10:1 and Olive leaf drops and Alovera -cold pressed, liquid, it is finally showing some response. So one has to be always diligent. New diseases and "plauge like symptoms" are showing up in great numbers and no one has an idea how to treat ..So you experiment and try and see what does the best..This is the only way to save your life. My friend has a similar affliction to the dog (in Both the instances the vet and regular doc say it was airborne). So this is how it will be for a while so use all methods and look out for

yourself...Janiceahzoov wrote: I don't give out much advice (maybe because advice is something that is more easily given than actually used), but one thing I tell people, often and adamantly is: know more than your doctor. When it comes to YOUR particular dis-ease, it isn't all that hard to know more than your doctor. Let's face it, it's your dis-ease, and not hers/his. That's why

doctors continually under-medicate for pain: it's not her/his pain. The story I like to tell is about this little girl who was diagnosed with Frederick's Ataxia. The prognosis was not good. They'd start medicating her, increase the meds as her condition worsened, but she'd probably die by the age of fifteen. Her aunt wasn't satisfied with this diagnosis nor the prognosis and went to the library where she started researching Frederick's Ataxia. She spent every night for over two weeks in the library. One day, she came across a short paragraph that said that a certain (I can't remember which) B Vitamin deficiency has been misdiagnosed for Frederick's Ataxia. She quickly researched this particular B Vitamin and found it was absorbed in the small intestine. When her niece was just a baby, they'd had to remove bits of her small intestine. She confronted her niece's physician with this information and the doctor shook his head and said, "Let's start her on B Vitamin injections and see what happens." Sure enough, that was her niece's problem: a B Vitamin deficiency. Today her niece is 21 and cares for invalids. No matter what your problem, it's yours. And it won't take much to learn more about that problem than your doctor knows. Besides, when it comes to health care, it's always best to have a team to work with, rather than just a single physician. Be a part of that team.

DavidSee what's free at AOL.com.

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[Guest guest]

Totally agree with you David. The sooner people stop assuming and

treating doctors like God, the sooner they'll get well. We have to

take part in our own healing.

 

Janice - very often 'immune disease' in dogs is vaccine related, or

perhaps chemical flea/worm treatments etc.

 

It could be worth talking also to a Homeopathic/holistic vet if

possible as they can minimise reactions. Good luck, sounds like

you're doing good so far :-)

 

It was my first dog taught me that the vets and doctors are not

always right.

 

oleander soup , Preferred Customer

<commonsense2265 wrote:

>

> Thanks David, As I said earlier people do more research on buying a

car than choosing a doctor or finding out what can be done for a

certain disease. At this time my vet wants steroids for my dog, with

an " unkown " new infection -open sores- that antibiotics and steroids

have no effect on. (they call it an autoimmune disease but not even

sure of that) I have been researching and asking and using Orageno

oil caps 10:1 and Olive leaf drops and Alovera -cold pressed, liquid,

it is finally showing some response. So one has to be always

diligent. New diseases and " plauge like symptoms " are showing up in

great numbers and no one has an idea how to treat ..So you experiment

and try and see what does the best..This is the only way to save your

life. My friend has a similar affliction to the dog (in Both the

instances the vet and regular doc say it was airborne). So this is

how it will be for a while so use all methods and look out for

yourself...Janice

>

> ahzoov wrote: I don't give

out much advice (maybe because advice is something that is more

easily given than actually used), but one thing I tell people, often

and adamantly is: know more than your doctor.

>

> When it comes to YOUR particular dis-ease, it isn't all that hard

to know more than your doctor. Let's face it, it's your dis-ease, and

not hers/his. That's why doctors continually under-medicate for

pain: it's not her/his pain.

>

> The story I like to tell is about this little girl who was

diagnosed with Frederick's Ataxia. The prognosis was not good. They'd

start medicating her, increase the meds as her condition worsened,

but she'd probably die by the age of fifteen.

>

> Her aunt wasn't satisfied with this diagnosis nor the prognosis

and went to the library where she started researching Frederick's

Ataxia.

>

> She spent every night for over two weeks in the library.

>

> One day, she came across a short paragraph that said that a

certain (I can't remember which) B Vitamin deficiency has been

misdiagnosed for Frederick's Ataxia. She quickly researched this

particular B Vitamin and found it was absorbed in the small

intestine. When her niece was just a baby, they'd had to remove bits

of her small intestine.

>

> She confronted her niece's physician with this information and

the doctor shook his head and said, " Let's start her on B Vitamin

injections and see what happens. "

>

> Sure enough, that was her niece's problem: a B Vitamin

deficiency. Today her niece is 21 and cares for invalids.

>

> No matter what your problem, it's yours. And it won't take much

to learn more about that problem than your doctor knows.

>

> Besides, when it comes to health care, it's always best to have a

team to work with, rather than just a single physician. Be a part of

that team.

>

> David

>

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>

> See what's free at AOL.com.

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> We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

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