General OS questions

May 9, 2007

Since making my first batch, I have thought of a couple of questions

and have a couple of comments.

1. OS Appearance after completion of batch. Green/yellow in color.

More pea green before diluting with Vodka 80 proof.

2. Tasted like the water that you drain off of garden green beans

with just a mild bitterness (tasted very small amt). Not bad.

3. After adding the vodka, the taste was not very good. I will try

Apple Cider Vineger in some that was left over.

4. How long can you wait after harvesting the Oleander plant to make

the OS. I am leaving TX soon and was wanting to take some cut plants

with me, but it would be about 2 weeks before I could make the OS out

of it.

5. 24 hours since getting 2 mice. They are still alive and seem to

be doing well.

6. Tony, if have 2 questions for you. a.) Why would a person get

into trouble if he gave some of this to a friend who had an illness.

How is it any different than giving them a glass of water or sharing a

meal that you have prepared. b.) Could you do a volunteer poll to

get an idea about how many folks in this group are actually making and

consuming or have consumed OS.

Blessings to all,

Jeff

May 9, 2007

You would be violating the ownership of truth rights of demons 117, 16,

& 43; also devils 3, 44, 76, and 143. Trillions dollars international

pharmaceutical concerns own all rights to the truth about healing and

any substances. They own the investors, the FDA, and all applicable

laws. To put it simply if you make any claim of any prevention or cure

of the OS, then you violate the law that says that only an FDA approved

drug may cure or prevent any disease condition. They would also say

that you are practicing medicine w/o a license and dispensing an

unapproved drug.

The answer: make no health claims whatsoever. Let the individual

educate himself here about oleander or the other remedies. You are

still free to cook a meal. And that's all you do.

Dr. Goebel

May 9, 2007

oleander soup , "jeffery.jack" <jeffery.jack wrote:>> Since making my first batch, I have thought of a couple of questions> and have a couple of comments.> > 1. OS Appearance after completion of batch. Green/yellow in color.> More pea green before diluting with Vodka 80 proof.Yellow to brownish yellow, kind of tealike for me. Did you boil the specified length of time?> > 2. Tasted like the water that you drain off of garden green beans> with just a mild bitterness (tasted very small amt). Not bad. I've never had the pleasure of drinking water drained off garden green beans > > 3. After adding the vodka, the taste was not very good. I will try> Apple Cider Vineger in some that was left over.ACV works well. The more I consider it, distilled ACV may be best in order to avoid possible mold. I take non-distilled ACV for health benefits.> > 4. How long can you wait after harvesting the Oleander plant to make> the OS. I am leaving TX soon and was wanting to take some cut plants> with me, but it would be about 2 weeks before I could make the OS out> of it.I cannot answer this one. I know that it can be packed in moist wrappings for a couple of days and has been mailed packed in dry ice before, but two weeks sounds like a stretch to me. Personally I think that the sooner you prepare it after cutting, the fresher and the better. I would never wait a single day if I could avoid it.> > 5. 24 hours since getting 2 mice. They are still alive and seem to> be doing well.Such has been the case with others who used mice, including the originator of oleander soup. The end result will likely be a couple of healthy, long lived and tumor free mice.> > 6. Tony, if have 2 questions for you. a.) Why would a person get> into trouble if he gave some of this to a friend who had an illness. If it were presented as a treatment for a medical condition it would run afoul of practicing unlicensed medicine and using unapproved treatments. On the other hand, if it were simply presented as a present . . .> How is it any different than giving them a glass of water or sharing a> meal that you have prepared. b.) Could you do a volunteer poll to> get an idea about how many folks in this group are actually making and> consuming or have consumed OS. At some point after I move and settle in that will be a good idea. I might point out that sales of my book should increase as time goes by and I anticipate (and hope) for pretty sizable sales of my new book project once completed. Both of those should add significant numbers of oleander users to this forum.> > Blessings to all,> > Jeff>

May 9, 2007

Thanks for saying this I keep telling people and they think there is no repercussions but there can be so all we do is make a healthy food and take a healthy supplement to keep our bodies in shape..JaniceMichael Goebel <goebelchx wrote: You would be violating the ownership of truth rights of demons 117, 16, & 43; also devils 3, 44, 76, and 143. Trillions dollars international pharmaceutical concerns own all rights to the truth about healing and any substances. They own the investors, the FDA, and all

applicable laws. To put it simply if you make any claim of any prevention or cure of the OS, then you violate the law that says that only an FDA approved drug may cure or prevent any disease condition. They would also say that you are practicing medicine w/o a license and dispensing an unapproved drug. The answer: make no health claims whatsoever. Let the individual educate himself here about oleander or the other remedies. You are still free to cook a meal. And that's all you do. Dr. Goebel Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out

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May 10, 2007

Thanks for the reply. The description you give sounds about right for the tea. I followed the instruction from the book to the letter. The mice are still alive, but tonight I noticed that they had stopped eating, and it looked like they had not drank any of the OS. I then realized that I did not cut the mice's OS to 50/50 with anything so they were getting a very bitter/concentrated product. I then diluted some 50/50 with water and put the dripper bottle back in the cage. They went to town drinking that stuff. They must have just not liked the concentrated taste. They looked very relieved after I put the diluted OS in there and they started drinking. One more question, Do you think that the completed OS with Vodka will be ok at room temp for several days? When we move I will not have any way to refrigerate for about 2 days. Other

tinctures do o.k. with no refrigeration at all. What do you think?Thanks,JeffTony wrote: oleander soup , "jeffery.jack" <jeffery.jack wrote:>> Since making my first batch, I have thought of a couple of questions> and have a couple of comments.> > 1. OS Appearance after completion of batch. Green/yellow in color.> More pea green before diluting with Vodka 80 proof.Yellow to

brownish yellow, kind of tealike for me. Did you boil the specified length of time?> > 2. Tasted like the water that you drain off of garden green beans> with just a mild bitterness (tasted very small amt). Not bad. I've never had the pleasure of drinking water drained off garden green beans > > 3. After adding the vodka, the taste was not very good. I will try> Apple Cider Vineger in some that was left over.ACV works well. The more I consider it, distilled ACV may be best in order to avoid possible mold. I take non-distilled ACV for health benefits.> > 4. How long can you wait after harvesting the Oleander plant to make> the OS. I am leaving TX soon and was wanting to take some cut plants>

with me, but it would be about 2 weeks before I could make the OS out> of it.I cannot answer this one. I know that it can be packed in moist wrappings for a couple of days and has been mailed packed in dry ice before, but two weeks sounds like a stretch to me. Personally I think that the sooner you prepare it after cutting, the fresher and the better. I would never wait a single day if I could avoid it.> > 5. 24 hours since getting 2 mice. They are still alive and seem to> be doing well.Such has been the case with others who used mice, including the originator of oleander soup. The end result will likely be a couple of healthy, long lived and tumor free mice.> > 6. Tony, if have 2 questions for you. a.) Why would a person get> into trouble if he gave some of this to a friend who had an illness. If it were presented as a treatment for a medical condition it would run afoul of practicing unlicensed medicine and using unapproved treatments. On the other hand, if it were simply presented as a present . . .> How is it any different than giving them a glass of water or sharing a> meal that you have prepared. b.) Could you do a volunteer poll to> get an idea about how many folks in this group are actually making and> consuming or have consumed OS. At some point after I move and settle in that will be a good idea. I might point out that sales of my book should increase as time goes by and I anticipate (and hope) for pretty sizable sales of my new book project once completed. Both of those should add significant numbers of oleander users to this forum.> > Blessings to all,> > Jeff> Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.

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May 10, 2007

I think that as long as you do not let it get too hot and keep it in dark containers it should be fine. The main thing to avoid is exposure to sunlight and other light. Of course you could always keep it iced in a cooler - that should be no problem to do for only a couple of days.My first go-round of OS, I never refrigerated it. But I did keep it in dark bottles in a dark place in an air-conditioned room.I wonder what would happen if you had mixed the mice's OS with vodka?You do realize that you are dosing the mice with many, many times the equivalent amount of OS that would be safe for humans? You are only going to work up to a max of a few tablespoons per day? The equivalent amount you are giving the mice would be for you to mix your entire daily intake of liquids 50/50 with oleander soup.I am surprised that their hearts have not popped! You should give them a much, much smaller amount to make any

valid comparison with what you will be taking.TonyJeffery Jack <jeffery.jack wrote: Thanks for the reply. The description you give sounds about right for the tea. I followed the instruction from the book to the letter. The mice are still alive, but tonight I noticed that they had stopped eating, and it looked like they had not drank any of the OS. I then realized that I did not cut the mice's OS to 50/50 with anything so they were getting a very bitter/concentrated product. I then

diluted some 50/50 with water and put the dripper bottle back in the cage. They went to town drinking that stuff. They must have just not liked the concentrated taste. They looked very relieved after I put the diluted OS in there and they started drinking. One more question, Do you think that the completed OS with Vodka will be ok at room temp for several days? When we move I will not have any way to refrigerate for about 2 days. Other tinctures do o.k. with no refrigeration at all. What do you think?Thanks,JeffTony > wrote: oleander soup , "jeffery.jack" <jeffery.jack wrote:>>

Since making my first batch, I have thought of a couple of questions> and have a couple of comments.> > 1. OS Appearance after completion of batch. Green/yellow in color.> More pea green before diluting with Vodka 80 proof.Yellow to brownish yellow, kind of tealike for me. Did you boil the specified length of time?> > 2. Tasted like the water that you drain off of garden green beans> with just a mild bitterness (tasted very small amt). Not bad. I've never had the pleasure of drinking water drained off garden green beans > > 3. After adding the vodka, the taste was not very good. I will try> Apple Cider Vineger in some that was left over.ACV works well. The more I consider it,

distilled ACV may be best in order to avoid possible mold. I take non-distilled ACV for health benefits.> > 4. How long can you wait after harvesting the Oleander plant to make> the OS. I am leaving TX soon and was wanting to take some cut plants> with me, but it would be about 2 weeks before I could make the OS out> of it.I cannot answer this one. I know that it can be packed in moist wrappings for a couple of days and has been mailed packed in dry ice before, but two weeks sounds like a stretch to me. Personally I think that the sooner you prepare it after cutting, the fresher and the better. I would never wait a single day if I could avoid it.> > 5. 24 hours since getting 2 mice. They are still alive and seem to> be doing well.Such has been the case with others who used mice, including the originator of

oleander soup. The end result will likely be a couple of healthy, long lived and tumor free mice.> > 6. Tony, if have 2 questions for you. a.) Why would a person get> into trouble if he gave some of this to a friend who had an illness. If it were presented as a treatment for a medical condition it would run afoul of practicing unlicensed medicine and using unapproved treatments. On the other hand, if it were simply presented as a present . . .> How is it any different than giving them a glass of water or sharing a> meal that you have prepared. b.) Could you do a volunteer poll to> get an idea about how many folks in this group are actually making and> consuming or have consumed OS. At some point after I move and settle in that will be a good idea. I might point out that sales of my book should increase as time goes

by and I anticipate (and hope) for pretty sizable sales of my new book project once completed. Both of those should add significant numbers of oleander users to this forum.> > Blessings to all,> > Jeff> Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debatein the Answers Food Drink Q & A.

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May 10, 2007

Awchie --

You sent this reply to me and not to the group. I'm worried about the mice.

Edith

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Tony Isaacs oleander soup Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2007 10:30:55 PMRe: Re: General OS questions

I think that as long as you do not let it get too hot and keep it in dark containers it should be fine. The main thing to avoid is exposure to sunlight and other light. Of course you could always keep it iced in a cooler - that should be no problem to do for only a couple of days.My first go-round of OS, I never refrigerated it. But I did keep it in dark bottles in a dark place in an air-conditioned room.I wonder what would happen if you had mixed the mice's OS with vodka?You do realize that you are dosing the mice with many, many times the equivalent amount of OS that would be safe for humans? You are only going to work up to a max of a few tablespoons per day? The equivalent amount you are giving the mice would be for you to mix your entire daily intake of liquids 50/50 with oleander soup.I am surprised that their hearts have not popped! You should give them a much, much smaller amount to make

any valid comparison with what you will be taking.TonyJeffery Jack <jeffery.jack@ > wrote:

Thanks for the reply. The description you give sounds about right for the tea. I followed the instruction from the book to the letter. The mice are still alive, but tonight I noticed that they had stopped eating, and it looked like they had not drank any of the OS. I then realized that I did not cut the mice's OS to 50/50 with anything so they were getting a very bitter/concentrated product. I then diluted some 50/50 with water and put the dripper bottle back in the cage. They went to town drinking that stuff. They must have just not liked the concentrated taste. They looked very relieved after I put the diluted OS in there and they started drinking. One more question, Do you think that the completed OS with Vodka will be ok at room temp for several days? When we move I will not have any way to refrigerate for about 2 days.

Other tinctures do o.k. with no refrigeration at all. What do you think?Thanks,JeffTony > wrote:

oleander soup, "jeffery.jack" <jeffery.jack@ ...> wrote:>> Since making my first batch, I have thought of a couple of questions> and have a couple of comments.> > 1. OS Appearance after completion of batch. Green/yellow in color.> More pea green before diluting with Vodka 80 proof.Yellow to brownish yellow, kind of tealike for me. Did you boil the specified length of time?> > 2. Tasted like the water that you drain off of garden green beans> with just a mild bitterness (tasted very small amt). Not bad. I've never had the pleasure of drinking water drained off garden green beans > > 3. After adding the vodka, the taste was not very good. I will try> Apple Cider Vineger in some

that was left over.ACV works well. The more I consider it, distilled ACV may be best in order to avoid possible mold. I take non-distilled ACV for health benefits.> > 4. How long can you wait after harvesting the Oleander plant to make> the OS. I am leaving TX soon and was wanting to take some cut plants> with me, but it would be about 2 weeks before I could make the OS out> of it.I cannot answer this one. I know that it can be packed in moist wrappings for a couple of days and has been mailed packed in dry ice before, but two weeks sounds like a stretch to me. Personally I think that the sooner you prepare it after cutting, the fresher and the better. I would never wait a single day if I could avoid it.> > 5. 24 hours since getting 2 mice. They are still alive and seem to> be doing well.Such has been the case with others who used mice, including the originator of oleander soup. The end result will likely be a couple of healthy, long lived and tumor free mice.> > 6. Tony, if have 2 questions for you. a.) Why would a person get> into trouble if he gave some of this to a friend who had an illness. If it were presented as a treatment for a medical condition it would run afoul of practicing unlicensed medicine and using unapproved treatments. On the other hand, if it were simply presented as a present . . .> How is it any different than giving them a glass of water or sharing a> meal that you have prepared. b.) Could you do a volunteer poll to> get an idea about how many folks in this group are actually making and> consuming or have consumed OS. At some point after I move and settle in that will be a good

idea. I might point out that sales of my book should increase as time goes by and I anticipate (and hope) for pretty sizable sales of my new book project once completed. Both of those should add significant numbers of oleander users to this forum.> > Blessings to all,> > Jeff>

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Did not, Edith - it's posted inthe group! May <luellamay129 wrote: Awchie -- You sent this reply to me and not to the group. I'm worried about the mice. Edith

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>oleander soup Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2007 10:30:55 PMRe: Re: General OS questions I think that as long as you do not let it get too hot and keep it in dark containers it should be fine. The main thing to avoid is exposure to sunlight and other light. Of course you could always keep it iced in a cooler - that should be no problem to do for only a couple of days.My first go-round of OS, I never refrigerated it. But I did keep it in dark bottles in a dark place in an air-conditioned room.I wonder what would happen if you had mixed the mice's OS with vodka?You do realize that you are dosing the mice with many, many times the equivalent amount of OS that would be safe for humans? You are only going to work up to a max of a few tablespoons per day? The equivalent amount you are giving the

mice would be for you to mix your entire daily intake of liquids 50/50 with oleander soup.I am surprised that their hearts have not popped! You should give them a much, much smaller amount to make any valid comparison with what you will be taking.TonyJeffery Jack <jeffery.jack@ > wrote: Thanks for the reply. The description you give sounds about right for the tea. I followed the instruction from the book to the letter. The mice are still alive, but tonight I noticed that they had stopped eating, and it looked like they had not drank any of the OS. I then realized that I did not cut the mice's OS to 50/50 with anything so they were getting a very bitter/concentrated product. I then diluted some 50/50 with water and put the dripper bottle back in the cage. They went to

town drinking that stuff. They must have just not liked the concentrated taste. They looked very relieved after I put the diluted OS in there and they started drinking. One more question, Do you think that the completed OS with Vodka will be ok at room temp for several days? When we move I will not have any way to refrigerate for about 2 days. Other tinctures do o.k. with no refrigeration at all. What do you think?Thanks,JeffTony > wrote: oleander soup, "jeffery.jack" <jeffery.jack@ ...> wrote:>> Since making my first batch, I have thought of a couple of questions> and have a couple of comments.> > 1. OS Appearance after completion of

batch. Green/yellow in color.> More pea green before diluting with Vodka 80 proof.Yellow to brownish yellow, kind of tealike for me. Did you boil the specified length of time?> > 2. Tasted like the water that you drain off of garden green beans> with just a mild bitterness (tasted very small amt). Not bad. I've never had the pleasure of drinking water drained off garden green beans > > 3. After adding the vodka, the taste was not very good. I will try> Apple Cider Vineger in some that was left over.ACV works well. The more I consider it, distilled ACV may be best in order to avoid possible mold. I take non-distilled ACV for health benefits.> > 4. How long can you wait after

harvesting the Oleander plant to make> the OS. I am leaving TX soon and was wanting to take some cut plants> with me, but it would be about 2 weeks before I could make the OS out> of it.I cannot answer this one. I know that it can be packed in moist wrappings for a couple of days and has been mailed packed in dry ice before, but two weeks sounds like a stretch to me. Personally I think that the sooner you prepare it after cutting, the fresher and the better. I would never wait a single day if I could avoid it.> > 5. 24 hours since getting 2 mice. They are still alive and seem to> be doing well.Such has been the case with others who used mice, including the originator of oleander soup. The end result will likely be a couple of healthy, long lived and tumor free mice.> > 6. Tony, if have 2 questions for you. a.) Why

would a person get> into trouble if he gave some of this to a friend who had an illness. If it were presented as a treatment for a medical condition it would run afoul of practicing unlicensed medicine and using unapproved treatments. On the other hand, if it were simply presented as a present . . .> How is it any different than giving them a glass of water or sharing a> meal that you have prepared. b.) Could you do a volunteer poll to> get an idea about how many folks in this group are actually making and> consuming or have consumed OS. At some point after I move and settle in that will be a good idea. I might point out that sales of my book should increase as time goes by and I anticipate (and hope) for pretty sizable sales of my new book project once completed. Both of those should add significant numbers of oleander users to this

forum.> > Blessings to all,> > Jeff> Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debatein the Answers Food Drink Q & A. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos.

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May 10, 2007

LOL! I couldn't find it before, but I looked closer and just found it. And why the confusion? Because your group emails say Tony and your emails to me say Tony Isaacs. Although now I know not all the time. I thought you were confused. But I guess it's me that's conrfused huh? Don't answer that.

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Tony Isaacs oleander soup Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2007 11:29:34 PMRe: Re: General OS questions

Did not, Edith - it's posted inthe group! May <luellamay129@ > wrote:

Awchie --

You sent this reply to me and not to the group. I'm worried about the mice.

Edith

May

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Tony Isaacs >oleander soupWednesday, May 9, 2007 10:30:55 PMRe: Re: General OS questions