Making First Batch Q - Pam

May 8, 2007

Thank you so much for your input. You are doing some excellent things and like I said, you don't have to go broke staying healthy. Blessings to you, Pam. JeffTony wrote: Thanks again for sharing Pam. That is some great information and I have to say that you are doing some wonderful things for your health and to fight against cancer. I think people would be well advised to follow your example - I strongly believe that the more healthy things you have in your arsenal that

you do and consume and the more bad things you avoid, the better the odds are of winning. And I think you are winning, Pam! Live long, live healthy, live happy! Tony oleander soup , "Pam Griffin" <pgriff wrote: > > Early in 04 I noticed my left top rib seemed to be bigger than right and just as hard.......was large lump not attatched to rib.as if the body had wrapped up a parcel and stashed it away...Finally I had it out in may 05 and diagnosed cancer 5.5cm Lobular grade 2 Oes + Pros + neg for c-erb receptors. there were close margins so i consented to a wider excision only.No sampling lymph nodes,no radiation, no chemo.Female surgeon told me I'd be dead in 5 years....we'll see ! Born 1950 brought up 7 kids,non smoker,non drinker since 30's,always had good health.Got on line and researched

straight away.Because I'm an artist always broke so remedies had to be cheap or free....Found Oleander soup on www.mnwelldir.org and it jumped out at me so started taking it before surgery...I also make kambucha tea.....take iodine(Lugol's solution) selenium,magnesium,MSM, > Specially Indole-3-carbinol with resveratol from www.lef.org instead of tamoxifen or arimedix to balance hormones.shark liver oil,melatonin,artemisia and get 1 kilo of apricot kernals here in NZ to munch a handful during day..... I also start the day with a fresh fruit smoothie with raw egg for the sulphorated protein and liberal flaxseed oil as in the johanna budwig protocol. I also have a samson juicer that i can juice straight from the garden milkthistle,dandelion,silverbeet,celery,red beets,carrots and other yukky but healthy things to boost the enzymes and liver function > other than that i try

to eat healthy,do eat meat cut out flour/sugar to a great extent and only cheat when I realy just cant help myself. The web site www.breastcancerchoices.com has just everything for BC and is the best place to start. > I dont know if my lymph nodes are affected but theyre there for a very important purpoise and I dont want to be without them.There is a great number of women out there with cancer who live with the knowledge that it is in their bodies but with the alternative protocols they are doing are living active long lives.Oleander makes sense to me....It is nasty...and nothing disguises that...but I'm damn sure it works.I cant see under the skin or into my body unfortunately but I know when I use the skin cream by itself the result is long time happening.When I take the soup internally as well the moley things dry out and turn gritty real fast on my skin.So that tells me that it definately works for

epithelial cells...any way as i say time will tell.I have noticed since taking the soup again that my liver seems to be getting rid or working better,I think it acts as a form of detox ,well thats what i feel .hope this answers some questions...I read everything if i have time but dont spend much time at puter usually..........Pam > - > Michael Uzick, N.M.D. > oleander soup > Monday, May 07, 2007 5:27 PM > Making First Batch Q - Pam > > > Hi Pam, > > I was wondering if you would mind describing your breast cancer history? My apologies if you've already written something in the past. I think it would be helpful to see what impact, if any, oleander or other therapies might have had in your case. >

> Details like when you were diagnosed, your age at the time, the type of breast cancer - also grade, ER, PR and HER2-nu status -, the stage (i.e. were lymph nodes effected, did it spread beyond the nodes). Did you have surgery, radiation, chemo, hormonal therapies, as well as any natural therapies like oleander. > > If all that is too personal I completely understand. If you are able to share, many thanks in advance. > > ~Michael > > > At 09:56 PM 5/6/2007, you wrote: > > > > Hi Jeff,the lady in NZ you mention may be me....But to say I'm cured is too strong...I made and took oleander soup starting 2004 just before I was diagnosed with BC.I continued for 18months...and with the skin cream...Then my stomach rebelled and i couldnt handle the taste anymore and stopped taking it.I have just started taking it again because I suspect

errant cells may be forming....But I dont realy know because unless I come out in lumps etc there realy is no way of knowing for sure.I am not into xrays etc as I feel they promote cancer.I feel good,I am careful to eat as healthy as i can and so far there is no sign of cancer.I do believe the oleander works,its just a pity it is so bl;oody awful tasting.I know the cream works coz I can see this with my own eyes.I have fair freckly skin and a family history of melamoma...I have warty moley thingys where I have baked my teenaged skin on the beach many years ago.The cream ,put on after bathing makes these sun kisses dry and gritty and I find I'm picking at them and theyre falling off.This is after 2 months use of current batch.Some are more resistant and may take a longer time.....Pam in NZ > > - > > jeffery.jack > > oleander soup > > Sunday, May 06, 2007 9:22 PM > > Making First Batch > > > Today I have been making my first batch of OS. It is a long process, > > but interesting. I decided a couple of weeks ago that I would go > > through every post on this group which I am almost 80% complete. It > > has been a bit frustrating with all of the extra chatter that goes on > > about FDA, WHO, CODEX, etc. I appreciated Ed's post about sticking to > > the subject of OS, but I understand the concerns. I was hoping that I > > would find more success stories about OS from actual users. So far,I > > have only found 4 people who seem to be having success

with it. Only > > one "cure", a lady from NZ, but also several who's PSA's are coming > > down and another that has had no progression of CA in 3 years. I do > > not have CA but I recently shared all of the info that I have learned > > about OS with a family that has a 14 year old son who is quickly dying > > of Stage 4 Glioblastoma Multiforme brain tumor. I do not know if they > > will make any OS for him, but they know how and they have plenty of > > Oleander around as they live in southern California. I am a little > > nervous about trying the OS myself. I would appreciate hearing from > > as many of you as would be willing to write and share your first > > experience taking OS. Also, I could share these with the family I >

> mentioned to possibly ease their fears. I will not be like most in > > this group. When I do something with OS I will let you know. God's > > blessings to all. > > > Sincerely, > > > Jeff > > > ------------------------- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release 4/30/2007 9:14 AM > > > > > > ------------------------------- > www.DoctorUzick.com > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > >

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May 8, 2007

Hi Pam,

Thanks for sharing. I wasn't clear if the initial lump you found was on

the rib beneath your breast or on a rib apart from the breast. If it was

a rib away from the breast, was there a mass in your breast as

well?

If the lump was not near the breast then having your nodes removed would

be unnecessary. A mass outside the breast would indicate a metastasis

(spread) so a nodal dissection would have no purpose.

When a breast tumor is either extremely large of it has spread beyond the

breast, there's a good change you will see elevated tumor markers. I

think it would make sense to have your tumor markers checked as a way of

tracking your cancer. It's a simple blood test, so there's no radiation

exposure. The more cancer there is the higher the tumor marker, if

there's not much cancer to be found it should appear in the normal range.

The most important breast cancer markers are CA27.29 or CA15.3. You don't

need to have both done.

Good luck,

~Michael

At 05:15 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote:

Early in 04

I noticed my left top rib seemed to be bigger than right and just

as hard.......was large lump not attatched to rib.as if the body had

wrapped up a parcel and stashed it away...Finally I had it out in

may 05 and diagnosed cancer 5.5cm Lobular grade 2 Oes + Pros + neg for

c-erb receptors. there were close margins so i consented to a wider

excision only.No sampling lymph nodes,no radiation, no chemo.Female

surgeon told me I'd be dead in 5 years....we'll see ! Born 1950 brought

up 7 kids,non smoker,non drinker since 30's,always had good health.Got on

line and researched straight away.Because I'm an artist always broke so

remedies had to be cheap or free....Found Oleander soup on

www.mnwelldir.org and it

jumped out at me so started taking it before surgery...I also make

kambucha tea.....take iodine(Lugol's solution)

selenium,magnesium,MSM,

Specially Indole-3-carbinol with resveratol from

www.lef.org instead of tamoxifen or

arimedix to balance hormones.shark liver oil,melatonin,artemisia and get

1 kilo of apricot kernals here in NZ to munch a handful during day..... I

also start the day with a fresh fruit smoothie with raw egg for the

sulphorated protein and liberal flaxseed oil as in the johanna budwig

protocol. I also have a samson juicer that i can juice straight from the

garden milkthistle,dandelion,silverbeet,celery,red beets,carrots and

other yukky but healthy things to boost the enzymes and liver

function

other than that i try to eat healthy,do eat meat cut out flour/sugar to a

great extent and only cheat when I realy just cant help myself. The web

site

www.breastcancerchoices.com has just everything for BC

and is the best place to start.

I dont know if my lymph nodes are affected but theyre there for a very

important purpoise and I dont want to be without them.There is a great

number of women out there with cancer who live with the knowledge that it

is in their bodies but with the alternative protocols they are doing are

living active long lives.Oleander makes sense to me....It is nasty...and

nothing disguises that...but I'm damn sure it works.I cant see under the

skin or into my body unfortunately but I know when I use the skin

cream by itself the result is long time happening.When I take the soup

internally as well the moley things dry out and turn gritty real fast on

my skin.So that tells me that it definately works for epithelial

cells...any way as i say time will tell.I have noticed since taking the

soup again that my liver seems to be getting rid or working better,I

think it acts as a form of detox ,well thats what i feel .hope this

answers some questions...I read everything if i have time but dont spend

much time at puter usually..........Pam

- Michael Uzick, N.M.D. To:

oleander soup Monday, May 07, 2007 5:27 PM

Making First Batch Q - Pam

Hi Pam,

I was wondering if you would mind describing your breast cancer

history? My apologies if you've already written something in the past. I

think it would be helpful to see what impact, if any, oleander or other

therapies might have had in your case.

Details like when you were diagnosed, your age at the time, the type

of breast cancer - also grade, ER, PR and HER2-nu status -, the stage

(i.e. were lymph nodes effected, did it spread beyond the nodes). Did you

have surgery, radiation, chemo, hormonal therapies, as well as any

natural therapies like oleander.

If all that is too personal I completely understand. If you are able

to share, many thanks in advance.

~Michael

At 09:56 PM 5/6/2007, you wrote:

Hi Jeff,the lady in NZ you mention may be me....But to

say I'm cured is too strong...I made and took oleander soup starting 2004

just before I was diagnosed with BC.I continued for 18months...and with

the skin cream...Then my stomach rebelled and i couldnt handle the taste

anymore and stopped taking it.I have just started taking it again because

I suspect errant cells may be forming....But I dont realy know because

unless I come out in lumps etc there realy is no way of knowing for

sure.I am not into xrays etc as I feel they promote cancer.I feel good,I

am careful to eat as healthy as i can and so far there is no sign of

cancer.I do believe the oleander works,its just a pity it is so bl;oody

awful tasting.I know the cream works coz I can see this with my own

eyes.I have fair freckly skin and a family history of melamoma...I have

warty moley thingys where I have baked my teenaged skin on the beach many

years ago.The cream ,put on after bathing makes these sun kisses dry and

gritty and I find I'm picking at them and theyre falling off.This is

after 2 months use of current batch.Some are more resistant and may take

a longer time.....Pam in NZ

- jeffery.jack To:

oleander soup Sunday, May 06, 2007 9:22 PM Making First Batch

Today I have been making my first batch of OS. It is a long process, but interesting. I decided a couple of weeks ago that I would go through every post on this group which I am almost 80% complete. It has been a bit frustrating with all of the extra chatter that goes on about FDA, WHO, CODEX, etc. I appreciated Ed's post about sticking to the subject of OS, but I understand the concerns. I was hoping that I would find more success stories about OS from actual users. So far,I have only found 4 people who seem to be having success with it. Only one " cure " , a lady from NZ, but also several who's PSA's

are coming down and another that has had no progression of CA in 3 years. I do not have CA but I recently shared all of the info that I have learned about OS with a family that has a 14 year old son who is quickly

dying of Stage 4 Glioblastoma Multiforme brain tumor. I do not know if they will make any OS for him, but they know how and they have plenty of Oleander around as they live in southern California. I am a little nervous about trying the OS myself. I would appreciate hearing from as many of you as would be willing to write and share your first experience taking OS. Also, I could share these with the family I mentioned to possibly ease their fears. I will not be like most in this group. When I do something with OS I will let you know. God's blessings to all.

Sincerely,

Jeff

May 10, 2007

It was on a rib just underneath the breast,they wanted to take off the breast but i thought that was silly...and so far there are no lumps in it....and i thought if it was to come back at least it would have somewhere to go that i could deal with it more easily than if it burrowed away internally....does this make sense or sound realy weird !Medical things are a bit different in NZ..where we supposedly have a free health system but you have to take what youre given/and dont answer back...instead of user pays where you can choose your own drs...and tests etc.I will ask and see if i can get blood tests that measure cancer markers etc......Pam

-

Michael Uzick, N.M.D.

oleander soup

Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:35 PM

Making First Batch Q - Pam

Hi Pam,Thanks for sharing. I wasn't clear if the initial lump you found was on the rib beneath your breast or on a rib apart from the breast. If it was a rib away from the breast, was there a mass in your breast as well?If the lump was not near the breast then having your nodes removed would be unnecessary. A mass outside the breast would indicate a metastasis (spread) so a nodal dissection would have no purpose.When a breast tumor is either extremely large of it has spread beyond the breast, there's a good change you will see elevated tumor markers. I think it would make sense to have your tumor markers checked as a way of tracking your cancer. It's a simple blood test, so there's no radiation exposure. The more cancer there is the higher the tumor marker, if there's not much cancer to be found it should appear in the normal range. The most important breast cancer markers are CA27.29 or CA15.3. You don't need to have both done.Good luck,~Michael

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May 10, 2007

Pam, I agree with you. And I say bravo! Take the oleander soup. You will be fine. Doctors treat you, they don't cure you. In the US anyway. I know nothing of New Zealand. I believe you have made an excellent choice. You are also so very wise to choose not to have it come back somewhere that it can burrow internally. However, taking the Oleander Soup, it will not return at all.

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Pam Griffin <pgriffoleander soup Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2007 9:22:43 PMRe: Making First Batch Q - Pam

It was on a rib just underneath the breast,they wanted to take off the breast but i thought that was silly...and so far there are no lumps in it....and i thought if it was to come back at least it would have somewhere to go that i could deal with it more easily than if it burrowed away internally.. ..does this make sense or sound realy weird !Medical things are a bit different in NZ..where we supposedly have a free health system but you have to take what youre given/and dont answer back...instead of user pays where you can choose your own drs...and tests etc.I will ask and see if i can get blood tests that measure cancer markers etc......Pam

-

Michael Uzick, N.M.D.

oleander soup

Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:35 PM

Making First Batch Q - Pam

Hi Pam,Thanks for sharing. I wasn't clear if the initial lump you found was on the rib beneath your breast or on a rib apart from the breast. If it was a rib away from the breast, was there a mass in your breast as well?If the lump was not near the breast then having your nodes removed would be unnecessary. A mass outside the breast would indicate a metastasis (spread) so a nodal dissection would have no purpose.When a breast tumor is either extremely large of it has spread beyond the breast, there's a good change you will see elevated tumor markers. I think it would make sense to have your tumor markers checked as a way of tracking your cancer. It's a simple blood test, so there's no radiation exposure. The more cancer there is the higher the tumor marker, if there's not much cancer to be found it should appear in the normal range. The most important breast cancer markers are CA27.29 or CA15.3. You don't need to have both

done.Good luck,~Michael

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