Guest guest Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Today I have been making my first batch of OS. It is a long process, but interesting. I decided a couple of weeks ago that I would go through every post on this group which I am almost 80% complete. It has been a bit frustrating with all of the extra chatter that goes on about FDA, WHO, CODEX, etc. I appreciated Ed's post about sticking to the subject of OS, but I understand the concerns. I was hoping that I would find more success stories about OS from actual users. So far,I have only found 4 people who seem to be having success with it. Only one " cure " , a lady from NZ, but also several who's PSA's are coming down and another that has had no progression of CA in 3 years. I do not have CA but I recently shared all of the info that I have learned about OS with a family that has a 14 year old son who is quickly dying of Stage 4 Glioblastoma Multiforme brain tumor. I do not know if they will make any OS for him, but they know how and they have plenty of Oleander around as they live in southern California. I am a little nervous about trying the OS myself. I would appreciate hearing from as many of you as would be willing to write and share your first experience taking OS. Also, I could share these with the family I mentioned to possibly ease their fears. I will not be like most in this group. When I do something with OS I will let you know. God's blessings to all. Sincerely, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 I understand your frustrations. I would like to see more posts about oleander too, but that is going to take awhile as users of oleander have time to observe their results and hopefully report back. Two salient points: One, this group lay dormant for a period while it and myself personally were under attack from a felon whose fake oleander drug scam I helped expose. One of his methods of attack was to make posts in youth drug oriented forums to the effect that oleander soup was a code name for a super drug that was the ultimate high and all one had to do was come make the soup according to the directions on this site, mix it 50/50 with vodka and MAINLINE IT! Which would likely have been instantly fatal. Fortunately, I found out about his scam in time, warned off all the new members and pretty much shut the group down until the felon was identified thoroughly exposed. The second point is that most of the members of this group are not users of oleander. They came to this group to learn about oleander and other cancer and health information due to posts I make in several other health and cancer forums. As more people turn to oleander, and as more people buy my books, the number of oleander users in this group will increase. Since time is not something cancer sufferers have a luxury of, I would suggest that you look at Doctor H. Z. Ozel's impressive record of successfully treating thousands with oleander over the past 40 years, as well as the past three years of the almost 100% successful use of oleander by the patent holder for the oleander based OPC product. I am glad to hear that you are making your first batch. And, I sent you some good news via private email regarding oleander use and brain tumors/brain swelling. Live long, live healthy, live happy! " Nature is the physician of man. " - Hippocrates, " the father of medicine " oleander soup , " jeffery.jack " <jeffery.jack wrote: > > Today I have been making my first batch of OS. It is a long process, > but interesting. I decided a couple of weeks ago that I would go > through every post on this group which I am almost 80% complete. It > has been a bit frustrating with all of the extra chatter that goes on > about FDA, WHO, CODEX, etc. I appreciated Ed's post about sticking to > the subject of OS, but I understand the concerns. I was hoping that I > would find more success stories about OS from actual users. So far,I > have only found 4 people who seem to be having success with it. Only > one " cure " , a lady from NZ, but also several who's PSA's are coming > down and another that has had no progression of CA in 3 years. I do > not have CA but I recently shared all of the info that I have learned > about OS with a family that has a 14 year old son who is quickly dying > of Stage 4 Glioblastoma Multiforme brain tumor. I do not know if they > will make any OS for him, but they know how and they have plenty of > Oleander around as they live in southern California. I am a little > nervous about trying the OS myself. I would appreciate hearing from > as many of you as would be willing to write and share your first > experience taking OS. Also, I could share these with the family I > mentioned to possibly ease their fears. I will not be like most in > this group. When I do something with OS I will let you know. God's > blessings to all. > > Sincerely, > > Jeff > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 For my wife's peace of mind, I will be starting mice tests this week to ensure that I will not leave my children and wife without a husband and father becasue of early death by digitalis toxicity. I will keep you all posted. JeffTony wrote: I understand your frustrations. I would like to see more posts about oleander too, but that is going to take awhile as users of oleander have time to observe their results and hopefully report back. Two salient points: One, this group lay dormant for a period while it and myself personally were under attack from a felon whose fake oleander drug scam I helped expose. One of his methods of attack was to make posts in youth drug oriented forums to the effect that oleander soup was a code name for a super drug that was the ultimate high and all one had to do was come make the soup according to the directions on this site, mix it 50/50 with vodka and MAINLINE IT! Which would likely have been instantly fatal. Fortunately, I found out about his scam in time, warned off all the new members and pretty much shut the group down until the felon was identified thoroughly exposed. The second point is that most of the members of this group are not users of oleander. They came to this group to learn about oleander and other cancer and health information due to posts I make in several other health and cancer forums. As more people turn to oleander, and as more people buy my books, the number of oleander users in this group will increase. Since time is not something cancer sufferers have a luxury of, I would suggest that you look at Doctor H. Z. Ozel's impressive record of successfully treating thousands with oleander over the past 40 years, as well as the past three years of the almost 100% successful use of oleander by the patent holder for the oleander based OPC product. I am glad to hear that you are making your first batch. And, I sent you some good news via private email regarding oleander use and brain tumors/brain swelling. Live long, live healthy, live happy! Tony "Nature is the physician of man." - Hippocrates, "the father of medicine" oleander soup , "jeffery.jack" <jeffery.jack wrote: > > Today I have been making my first batch of OS. It is a long process, > but interesting. I decided a couple of weeks ago that I would go > through every post on this group which I am almost 80% complete. It > has been a bit frustrating with all of the extra chatter that goes on > about FDA, WHO, CODEX, etc. I appreciated Ed's post about sticking to > the subject of OS, but I understand the concerns. I was hoping that I > would find more success stories about OS from actual users. So far,I > have only found 4 people who seem to be having success with it. Only > one "cure", a lady from NZ, but also several who's PSA's are coming > down and another that has had no progression of CA in 3 years. I do > not have CA but I recently shared all of the info that I have learned > about OS with a family that has a 14 year old son who is quickly dying > of Stage 4 Glioblastoma Multiforme brain tumor. I do not know if they > will make any OS for him, but they know how and they have plenty of > Oleander around as they live in southern California. I am a little > nervous about trying the OS myself. I would appreciate hearing from > as many of you as would be willing to write and share your first > experience taking OS. Also, I could share these with the family I > mentioned to possibly ease their fears. I will not be like most in > this group. When I do something with OS I will let you know. God's > blessings to all. > > Sincerely, > > Jeff > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 You surely are going to have some healthy mice! I understand your caution. Just FYI, the cardiac glycosides in oleander are non-polar compounds (non water soluable) and you get only a very tiny amount when you boil the oleander. Like less than 2%. The FDA phase I trials on Anvirzel, whose purpose is to determine the maximum safe dosage, actually stopped because they reached a level where it would be impractical to administer larger doses, not because they reached the safe dosage level (Anvirzel was tested as an injectable drug). Having said all of that, it is good to have peace of mind - and one should be mindful to follow preparation and dosage amounts carefully. You could reach a dangerous level at some point and the bell curve is pretty steep as you approach that level. It is well above the recommended doseage amount, so stick to the instructions, start off very small and build gradually, do NOT exceed the maximum amount and you should be fine. So far as I know, in over 40 years of use by Doc Ozel, years of use at the Salud Integral clinic, and a few years of oleander soup and the OPC product, there has not been one single reported incidence of serious adverse reaction. As a final note - I highly recommend that you do a final filtering through a few layers of coffee filters. Those who do so, report little or none of the common side effects some oleander users report (mild fever, a bit of nausea, perhaps a headache and loose stools) and the same is true for those who take oral Anvirzel, which is filtered through filters less than 4 microns. Live long, live healthy, live happy! oleander soup , Jeffery Jack <jeffery.jack wrote: > > For my wife's peace of mind, I will be starting mice tests this week to ensure that I will not leave my children and wife without a husband and father becasue of early death by digitalis toxicity. I will keep you all posted. > > Jeff > > Tony wrote: I understand your frustrations. I would like to see more posts about > oleander too, but that is going to take awhile as users of oleander > have time to observe their results and hopefully report back. > > Two salient points: One, this group lay dormant for a period while it > and myself personally were under attack from a felon whose fake > oleander drug scam I helped expose. One of his methods of attack was > to make posts in youth drug oriented forums to the effect that > oleander soup was a code name for a super drug that was the ultimate > high and all one had to do was come make the soup according to the > directions on this site, mix it 50/50 with vodka and MAINLINE IT! > Which would likely have been instantly fatal. Fortunately, I found > out about his scam in time, warned off all the new members and pretty > much shut the group down until the felon was identified thoroughly > exposed. > > The second point is that most of the members of this group are not > users of oleander. They came to this group to learn about oleander > and other cancer and health information due to posts I make in several > other health and cancer forums. > > As more people turn to oleander, and as more people buy my books, the > number of oleander users in this group will increase. Since time is > not something cancer sufferers have a luxury of, I would suggest that > you look at Doctor H. Z. Ozel's impressive record of successfully > treating thousands with oleander over the past 40 years, as well as > the past three years of the almost 100% successful use of oleander by > the patent holder for the oleander based OPC product. > > I am glad to hear that you are making your first batch. And, I sent > you some good news via private email regarding oleander use and brain > tumors/brain swelling. > > Live long, live healthy, live happy! > > > > " Nature is the physician of man. " > - Hippocrates, " the father of medicine " > > oleander soup , " jeffery.jack " <jeffery.jack@> > wrote: > > > > Today I have been making my first batch of OS. It is a long process, > > but interesting. I decided a couple of weeks ago that I would go > > through every post on this group which I am almost 80% complete. It > > has been a bit frustrating with all of the extra chatter that goes on > > about FDA, WHO, CODEX, etc. I appreciated Ed's post about sticking to > > the subject of OS, but I understand the concerns. I was hoping that I > > would find more success stories about OS from actual users. So far,I > > have only found 4 people who seem to be having success with it. Only > > one " cure " , a lady from NZ, but also several who's PSA's are coming > > down and another that has had no progression of CA in 3 years. I do > > not have CA but I recently shared all of the info that I have learned > > about OS with a family that has a 14 year old son who is quickly dying > > of Stage 4 Glioblastoma Multiforme brain tumor. I do not know if they > > will make any OS for him, but they know how and they have plenty of > > Oleander around as they live in southern California. I am a little > > nervous about trying the OS myself. I would appreciate hearing from > > as many of you as would be willing to write and share your first > > experience taking OS. Also, I could share these with the family I > > mentioned to possibly ease their fears. I will not be like most in > > this group. When I do something with OS I will let you know. God's > > blessings to all. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jeff > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Hi Jeff,the lady in NZ you mention may be me....But to say I'm cured is too strong...I made and took oleander soup starting 2004 just before I was diagnosed with BC.I continued for 18months...and with the skin cream...Then my stomach rebelled and i couldnt handle the taste anymore and stopped taking it.I have just started taking it again because I suspect errant cells may be forming....But I dont realy know because unless I come out in lumps etc there realy is no way of knowing for sure.I am not into xrays etc as I feel they promote cancer.I feel good,I am careful to eat as healthy as i can and so far there is no sign of cancer.I do believe the oleander works,its just a pity it is so bl;oody awful tasting.I know the cream works coz I can see this with my own eyes.I have fair freckly skin and a family history of melamoma...I have warty moley thingys where I have baked my teenaged skin on the beach many years ago.The cream ,put on after bathing makes these sun kisses dry and gritty and I find I'm picking at them and theyre falling off.This is after 2 months use of current batch.Some are more resistant and may take a longer time.....Pam in NZ - jeffery.jack oleander soup Sunday, May 06, 2007 9:22 PM Making First Batch Today I have been making my first batch of OS. It is a long process,but interesting. I decided a couple of weeks ago that I would gothrough every post on this group which I am almost 80% complete. Ithas been a bit frustrating with all of the extra chatter that goes onabout FDA, WHO, CODEX, etc. I appreciated Ed's post about sticking tothe subject of OS, but I understand the concerns. I was hoping that Iwould find more success stories about OS from actual users. So far,Ihave only found 4 people who seem to be having success with it. Onlyone "cure", a lady from NZ, but also several who's PSA's are comingdown and another that has had no progression of CA in 3 years. I donot have CA but I recently shared all of the info that I have learnedabout OS with a family that has a 14 year old son who is quickly dyingof Stage 4 Glioblastoma Multiforme brain tumor. I do not know if theywill make any OS for him, but they know how and they have plenty ofOleander around as they live in southern California. I am a littlenervous about trying the OS myself. I would appreciate hearing fromas many of you as would be willing to write and share your firstexperience taking OS. Also, I could share these with the family Imentioned to possibly ease their fears. I will not be like most inthis group. When I do something with OS I will let you know. God'sblessings to all.Sincerely,Jeff Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release 4/30/2007 9:14 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 I followed the instructions to the letter. I actually messed up and had to start over. It probably would have been fine, but I wanted to folllow the inst. exactly. I messed up the first batch when I did the stage 4 filtering after the first 4 hour boiling. With my completed batch, I did do one thing different. I used a paper towel (brawney) and 2 coffee filters through each of the 4 stages of the filtration process. The color of the OS at this time is a brown slightly green color. No particulate matter can be seen and after 12 hours the color remains consistant throughout the liquid and nothing is "setteling" to the bottom of the OS. It smells like the liquid you have after steaming beans or asparagus. Has this been others experience?JeffTony wrote: You surely are going to have some healthy mice! I understand your caution. Just FYI, the cardiac glycosides in oleander are non-polar compounds (non water soluable) and you get only a very tiny amount when you boil the oleander. Like less than 2%. The FDA phase I trials on Anvirzel, whose purpose is to determine the maximum safe dosage, actually stopped because they reached a level where it would be impractical to administer larger doses, not because they reached the safe dosage level (Anvirzel was tested as an injectable drug). Having said all of that, it is good to have peace of mind - and one should be mindful to follow preparation and dosage amounts carefully. You could reach a dangerous level at some point and the bell curve is pretty steep as you approach that level. It is well above the recommended doseage amount, so stick to the instructions, start off very small and build gradually, do NOT exceed the maximum amount and you should be fine. So far as I know, in over 40 years of use by Doc Ozel, years of use at the Salud Integral clinic, and a few years of oleander soup and the OPC product, there has not been one single reported incidence of serious adverse reaction. As a final note - I highly recommend that you do a final filtering through a few layers of coffee filters. Those who do so, report little or none of the common side effects some oleander users report (mild fever, a bit of nausea, perhaps a headache and loose stools) and the same is true for those who take oral Anvirzel, which is filtered through filters less than 4 microns. Live long, live healthy, live happy! Tony oleander soup , Jeffery Jack <jeffery.jack wrote: > > For my wife's peace of mind, I will be starting mice tests this week to ensure that I will not leave my children and wife without a husband and father becasue of early death by digitalis toxicity. I will keep you all posted. > > Jeff > > Tony wrote: I understand your frustrations. I would like to see more posts about > oleander too, but that is going to take awhile as users of oleander > have time to observe their results and hopefully report back. > > Two salient points: One, this group lay dormant for a period while it > and myself personally were under attack from a felon whose fake > oleander drug scam I helped expose. One of his methods of attack was > to make posts in youth drug oriented forums to the effect that > oleander soup was a code name for a super drug that was the ultimate > high and all one had to do was come make the soup according to the > directions on this site, mix it 50/50 with vodka and MAINLINE IT! > Which would likely have been instantly fatal. Fortunately, I found > out about his scam in time, warned off all the new members and pretty > much shut the group down until the felon was identified thoroughly > exposed. > > The second point is that most of the members of this group are not > users of oleander. They came to this group to learn about oleander > and other cancer and health information due to posts I make in several > other health and cancer forums. > > As more people turn to oleander, and as more people buy my books, the > number of oleander users in this group will increase. Since time is > not something cancer sufferers have a luxury of, I would suggest that > you look at Doctor H. Z. Ozel's impressive record of successfully > treating thousands with oleander over the past 40 years, as well as > the past three years of the almost 100% successful use of oleander by > the patent holder for the oleander based OPC product. > > I am glad to hear that you are making your first batch. And, I sent > you some good news via private email regarding oleander use and brain > tumors/brain swelling. > > Live long, live healthy, live happy! > > Tony > > "Nature is the physician of man." > - Hippocrates, "the father of medicine" > > oleander soup , "jeffery.jack" <jeffery.jack@> > wrote: > > > > Today I have been making my first batch of OS. It is a long process, > > but interesting. I decided a couple of weeks ago that I would go > > through every post on this group which I am almost 80% complete. It > > has been a bit frustrating with all of the extra chatter that goes on > > about FDA, WHO, CODEX, etc. I appreciated Ed's post about sticking to > > the subject of OS, but I understand the concerns. I was hoping that I > > would find more success stories about OS from actual users. So far,I > > have only found 4 people who seem to be having success with it. Only > > one "cure", a lady from NZ, but also several who's PSA's are coming > > down and another that has had no progression of CA in 3 years. I do > > not have CA but I recently shared all of the info that I have learned > > about OS with a family that has a 14 year old son who is quickly dying > > of Stage 4 Glioblastoma Multiforme brain tumor. I do not know if they > > will make any OS for him, but they know how and they have plenty of > > Oleander around as they live in southern California. I am a little > > nervous about trying the OS myself. I would appreciate hearing from > > as many of you as would be willing to write and share your first > > experience taking OS. Also, I could share these with the family I > > mentioned to possibly ease their fears. I will not be like most in > > this group. When I do something with OS I will let you know. God's > > blessings to all. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Purchased 2 mice yesterday. The only source of food for the next week is cat food (barrowed from our cat) for nutrition and OS for hydration. This morning the mice are alive and well. It is hard to tell whether they drank any of the OS because much of it well spilled out. It appears that they were walking through the small dish and spilling it out. If this continues to be a problem, I may buy one of those small hanging bottles that let out drops as they drink it. Blessings, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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