Which came first, - the egg or the cholesterol?

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In a message dated 4/29/2007 5:17:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, goebelchx writes:

Follow the money for the reasons why society has been placed on statin drugs.

 

For the best book/site on this billion dollar scam, go to www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

 

Dr Ravnskof, one of our site's advisors, has written a great book on the cholesterol myths and points out that no study has EVER found that cholesterol is the cause of cardiovascular disease. The disease starts first, and then cholesterol comes into play.

 

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Eggs really aren't that bad for your cholesterol, especially if you

use the free ranging high omega-3 version. Beside, the whole

cholesterol thing is mostly a myth used to promote new treatments and

drugs, such as the statin drugs which, in typical mainstream medicine

fashion, do nothing to treat the underlying causes of high

cholesterol, but instead force the liver to artificially produce less

cholesterol. Wonder of wonders, they are finally admitting that

statin drugs have some pretty nasty side effects. Imagine that!

 

My suggestion is to make yourself a good healthy omelet of organic

high omega-3 free ranging hen eggs mixed 50/50 with one of the better

egg substitutes made from 98% or more egg whites (read the ingredients

carefully to make sure you avoid any soy or msg!), with some chopped

tomato, onion, garlic, mushrooms (rieshi, maitake or shitake),

peppers, and whatever else strikes your fancy or tastebuds (I have

used squash, zucchini, broccoli and more) etc., and a bit of cayenne.

 

Yum!

 

 

P.S. Wouldn't it be great for members to share their favorite healthy

recipes with the group? Hint, hint, hint!

 

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129

wrote:

>

> Well, let's see...

>

> I eat lots of salads. My favorite.

> Mostly raw vegetables, sometimes steamed.

> I always include broccoli and spinach.

> Pure Water

> Black Tea and Green Tea

> I don't eat red meat, only fish, turkey, and chicken.

> Although I don't have any cholesterol issues I rarely eat eggs.

> I only use olive oil.

> Cheese now and then

>

> Vitamins -

>

> Int he past six months, I have switched to the True Essential brands

> which are excellent. I take the women's pak every day

> Mineral ph

> Joint solutions with HA.

>

> Now, I have two questions. Are soy beans themselves good for you? I

> was surprised to see no soy with no MSG, although I had heard that

> soy products aren't recommended anymore.

>

> Also, the oleander soup. Where do you get it?

>

>

>

> oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote:

> >

> > oleander soup , " kevinphett " <kevinphett@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Just intrested in what some of you guys and gals take everyday in

> > > being proactive for your health. What do you do as in regards to

> diet

> > > and or supplementation?

> > >

> > What I shoot for includes:

> >

> > Pure water

> > Green & black tea

> > Raw or steamed vegetables and fruits of all the varying colors,

> > especially the dark green vegetables (raw spinach) and the dark

> fruits

> > and fruit juices (dark grapes, pomegranate)

> > Cold water fish, turkey or chicken

> > Brown eggs from free ranging hens

> > Raw almonds

> > Minimal diary products (yogurt), minimal whole grain products

> > Raw garlic, minced

> > Cayenne pepper

> > NO soy! NO MSG!

> > Olive oil

> > Coconut oil

> >

> > Omega 3 supplement from flaxseed, borage, fish and safflower

> > Turmeric

> > CoQ10

> > Milk Thistle (silymarin)

> > Alpha Lipoic Acid

> > Selenium

> > Garlic

> > Vitamin D

> > Calcium

> > Magnesium

> > Zinc

> > Multi-vitamin

> > Acetyl L-Carnitine

> > Sometimes Melatonin and Valerian Root for sleep

> > Sometimes green superfoods (chlorella and spirulina)

> > Oleander soup twice a week

> >

> > At present, I fudge more than I should - but if I had cancer or

> > another cell degenerative condition, I would be very strict and do

> > much more - and would absolutely include the new OPC supplement made

> > now with 80% oleander and 20% sutherlandia frutescans. Others would

> > likely include graviola and cat's claw, more frequent

> > cleanses/detox's, a bit more exercise, cutting out almost all dairy

> > and grains, etc.

> >

> > In the files section here, as well as in my book, you will find " A

> > Plan for Living a Long and Healthy Life " , which contains what I

> think

> > is a pretty good list of things to do and things to avoid. I will

> be

> > updating it soon.

> >

> > > >

>

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The cholesterol lowering drugs, and the pseudo-science which promoted it, was the greatest mass health fraud of the 20th century. Indeed, those who participated in the Framingham study which lived the longest, a group of ladies in their 90's, had the highest cholesterol levels of anyone in the study. Follow the money for the reasons why society has been placed on statin drugs. If you are one of the unfortunate individuals who is a victim of this fraud, do not suddenly stop your drug regimen. You must be educated, redirected, and weaned off them. Dr. Goebel

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An intuitve friend of mine predicted the scandel over nsaids would reach greater heights than Vioxx so just wait..JMichael Goebel <goebelchx wrote: The cholesterol lowering drugs, and the pseudo-science which promoted it, was the greatest mass health fraud of the 20th century. Indeed, those who participated in the Framingham study which lived the longest, a group of ladies in their 90's, had the highest cholesterol levels of anyone in the study. Follow

the money for the reasons why society has been placed on statin drugs. If you are one of the unfortunate individuals who is a victim of this fraud, do not suddenly stop your drug regimen. You must be educated, redirected, and weaned off them. Dr. Goebel Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos.

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Thank you for this information David. This is the second time I have

read that cholesterol and what you eat has nothing to do with heart

disease. And I just had a long conversation with a lady I know who

is taking statin drugs. She has only been taking them for two

months. I have seen the results that these drugs have had with the

elderly. What causes concern is that they are not even diagnosed

correctly immediately upon the side effects showing up. Sometimes

they are strung along until they can hardly walk and become quite

ill.

 

It is very interesting to note that the actual blood test for

cholesterol is also a scam. I wasn't aware of that at all. I will

see her tomorrow and bring her this information.

 

The problem I come across with 80% of the people I talk to is fear.

Despite the side effects of these drugs, when told about natural

alternatives, they choose to trust their doctor and continue with

their treatment. I have even come across this very same thing with

cancer patients that are terminal. They hold on to that very last

hope that maybe this last chemo that they will be taking will do the

trick.

 

 

 

oleander soup , ahzoov wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 4/29/2007 5:17:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> goebelchx writes:

>

> Follow the money for the reasons why society has been placed on

statin

> drugs.

>

>

> For the best book/site on this billion dollar scam, go to

> _www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm_

(http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm)

>

> Dr Ravnskof, one of our site's advisors, has written a great book

on the

> cholesterol myths and points out that no study has EVER found that

cholesterol

> is the cause of cardiovascular disease. The disease starts first,

and then

> cholesterol comes into play.

>

> David

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

>

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I think that's an excellent idea! Yum!

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

> Eggs really aren't that bad for your cholesterol, especially if you

> use the free ranging high omega-3 version. Beside, the whole

> cholesterol thing is mostly a myth used to promote new treatments

and

> drugs, such as the statin drugs which, in typical mainstream

medicine

> fashion, do nothing to treat the underlying causes of high

> cholesterol, but instead force the liver to artificially produce

less

> cholesterol. Wonder of wonders, they are finally admitting that

> statin drugs have some pretty nasty side effects. Imagine that!

>

> My suggestion is to make yourself a good healthy omelet of organic

> high omega-3 free ranging hen eggs mixed 50/50 with one of the

better

> egg substitutes made from 98% or more egg whites (read the

ingredients

> carefully to make sure you avoid any soy or msg!), with some chopped

> tomato, onion, garlic, mushrooms (rieshi, maitake or shitake),

> peppers, and whatever else strikes your fancy or tastebuds (I have

> used squash, zucchini, broccoli and more) etc., and a bit of

cayenne.

>

> Yum!

>

> >

> P.S. Wouldn't it be great for members to share their favorite

healthy

> recipes with the group? Hint, hint, hint!

>

> oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Well, let's see...

> >

> > I eat lots of salads. My favorite.

> > Mostly raw vegetables, sometimes steamed.

> > I always include broccoli and spinach.

> > Pure Water

> > Black Tea and Green Tea

> > I don't eat red meat, only fish, turkey, and chicken.

> > Although I don't have any cholesterol issues I rarely eat eggs.

> > I only use olive oil.

> > Cheese now and then

> >

> > Vitamins -

> >

> > Int he past six months, I have switched to the True Essential

brands

> > which are excellent. I take the women's pak every day

> > Mineral ph

> > Joint solutions with HA.

> >

> > Now, I have two questions. Are soy beans themselves good for

you? I

> > was surprised to see no soy with no MSG, although I had heard

that

> > soy products aren't recommended anymore.

> >

> > Also, the oleander soup. Where do you get it?

> >

> >

> >

> > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote:

> > >

> > > oleander soup , " kevinphett " <kevinphett@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Just intrested in what some of you guys and gals take

everyday in

> > > > being proactive for your health. What do you do as in

regards to

> > diet

> > > > and or supplementation?

> > > >

> > > What I shoot for includes:

> > >

> > > Pure water

> > > Green & black tea

> > > Raw or steamed vegetables and fruits of all the varying colors,

> > > especially the dark green vegetables (raw spinach) and the dark

> > fruits

> > > and fruit juices (dark grapes, pomegranate)

> > > Cold water fish, turkey or chicken

> > > Brown eggs from free ranging hens

> > > Raw almonds

> > > Minimal diary products (yogurt), minimal whole grain products

> > > Raw garlic, minced

> > > Cayenne pepper

> > > NO soy! NO MSG!

> > > Olive oil

> > > Coconut oil

> > >

> > > Omega 3 supplement from flaxseed, borage, fish and safflower

> > > Turmeric

> > > CoQ10

> > > Milk Thistle (silymarin)

> > > Alpha Lipoic Acid

> > > Selenium

> > > Garlic

> > > Vitamin D

> > > Calcium

> > > Magnesium

> > > Zinc

> > > Multi-vitamin

> > > Acetyl L-Carnitine

> > > Sometimes Melatonin and Valerian Root for sleep

> > > Sometimes green superfoods (chlorella and spirulina)

> > > Oleander soup twice a week

> > >

> > > At present, I fudge more than I should - but if I had cancer or

> > > another cell degenerative condition, I would be very strict and

do

> > > much more - and would absolutely include the new OPC supplement

made

> > > now with 80% oleander and 20% sutherlandia frutescans. Others

would

> > > likely include graviola and cat's claw, more frequent

> > > cleanses/detox's, a bit more exercise, cutting out almost all

dairy

> > > and grains, etc.

> > >

> > > In the files section here, as well as in my book, you will

find " A

> > > Plan for Living a Long and Healthy Life " , which contains what I

> > think

> > > is a pretty good list of things to do and things to avoid. I

will

> > be

> > > updating it soon.

> > >

> > > > > >

> >

>

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Did you ever touch on a subject that is so frustrating for me: those

whom modern medicine has failed who refuse to trust what nature has

provided for them.

 

I have seen so many cancer forums and cancer support groups (and been

booted off more than one!) that refuse to even listen to anything that

doesn't come from their oncologists and mainstream medicine, and I

KNOW that so many of them do not have to continue suffering and die.

 

What modern medicine has done in suppressing and replacing natural

healing with dangerous and ineffective drugs and treatments is simply

evil!

 

 

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129

wrote:

>

> Thank you for this information David. This is the second time I have

> read that cholesterol and what you eat has nothing to do with heart

> disease. And I just had a long conversation with a lady I know who

> is taking statin drugs. She has only been taking them for two

> months. I have seen the results that these drugs have had with the

> elderly. What causes concern is that they are not even diagnosed

> correctly immediately upon the side effects showing up. Sometimes

> they are strung along until they can hardly walk and become quite

> ill.

>

> It is very interesting to note that the actual blood test for

> cholesterol is also a scam. I wasn't aware of that at all. I will

> see her tomorrow and bring her this information.

>

> The problem I come across with 80% of the people I talk to is fear.

> Despite the side effects of these drugs, when told about natural

> alternatives, they choose to trust their doctor and continue with

> their treatment. I have even come across this very same thing with

> cancer patients that are terminal. They hold on to that very last

> hope that maybe this last chemo that they will be taking will do the

> trick.

>

>

>

> oleander soup , ahzoov@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 4/29/2007 5:17:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > goebelchx@ writes:

> >

> > Follow the money for the reasons why society has been placed on

> statin

> > drugs.

> >

> >

> > For the best book/site on this billion dollar scam, go to

> > _www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm_

> (http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm)

> >

> > Dr Ravnskof, one of our site's advisors, has written a great book

> on the

> > cholesterol myths and points out that no study has EVER found that

> cholesterol

> > is the cause of cardiovascular disease. The disease starts first,

> and then

> > cholesterol comes into play.

> >

> > David

> >

> >

> >

> > ************************************** See what's free at

> http://www.aol.com.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I stopped being frustrated by this, because the anger was hurting me

and there is absolutely nothing I can do about this situation.

Again, I find it amazing that you were kicked off forums for offering

at the very least a viable alternative to conventional medicine.

 

It actually saddens me greatly when someone chooses to trust the hand

that is killing them instead of trying something that will give them

life. The people I deal with mainly are elderly. And the lady I

spoke to today was elderly. The common denominator that keeps them

from trying something that will help them is fear. Irrational fear.

The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. Now, I

find this reaction a bit amazing when it comes to terminal patients

because at that point, heck, I would give something else a chance.

They have nothing to lose. Yet, when given a choice between life and

death, they will cling to the conventional treatment. They choose

death.

 

The most heartbreaking of all are the nursing homes. Here, these

folks have absolutely no say as to their treatment. I see them every

week and they tell me about their illnesses and how they are

feeling. In these cases, there is absolutely nothing I can do, but

watch as medicine slowly kills them. I see the hope in their eyes,

knowing that, in reality, there is no hope. They are the " captive

audience. "

 

What can you do, other than love them?

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

> Did you ever touch on a subject that is so frustrating for me:

those

> whom modern medicine has failed who refuse to trust what nature has

> provided for them.

>

> I have seen so many cancer forums and cancer support groups (and

been

> booted off more than one!) that refuse to even listen to anything

that

> doesn't come from their oncologists and mainstream medicine, and I

> KNOW that so many of them do not have to continue suffering and die.

>

> What modern medicine has done in suppressing and replacing natural

> healing with dangerous and ineffective drugs and treatments is

simply

> evil!

>

> >

> oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you for this information David. This is the second time I

have

> > read that cholesterol and what you eat has nothing to do with

heart

> > disease. And I just had a long conversation with a lady I know

who

> > is taking statin drugs. She has only been taking them for two

> > months. I have seen the results that these drugs have had with

the

> > elderly. What causes concern is that they are not even diagnosed

> > correctly immediately upon the side effects showing up.

Sometimes

> > they are strung along until they can hardly walk and become quite

> > ill.

> >

> > It is very interesting to note that the actual blood test for

> > cholesterol is also a scam. I wasn't aware of that at all. I

will

> > see her tomorrow and bring her this information.

> >

> > The problem I come across with 80% of the people I talk to is

fear.

> > Despite the side effects of these drugs, when told about natural

> > alternatives, they choose to trust their doctor and continue with

> > their treatment. I have even come across this very same thing

with

> > cancer patients that are terminal. They hold on to that very

last

> > hope that maybe this last chemo that they will be taking will do

the

> > trick.

> >

> >

> >

> > oleander soup , ahzoov@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 4/29/2007 5:17:20 P.M. Central Daylight

Time,

> > > goebelchx@ writes:

> > >

> > > Follow the money for the reasons why society has been placed

on

> > statin

> > > drugs.

> > >

> > >

> > > For the best book/site on this billion dollar scam, go to

> > > _www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm_

> > (http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm)

> > >

> > > Dr Ravnskof, one of our site's advisors, has written a great

book

> > on the

> > > cholesterol myths and points out that no study has EVER found

that

> > cholesterol

> > > is the cause of cardiovascular disease. The disease starts

first,

> > and then

> > > cholesterol comes into play.

> > >

> > > David

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ************************************** See what's free at

> > http://www.aol.com.

> > >

> >

>

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please delete my email for 2 months thanks destress

 

Sandy

 

oleander soup oleander soupOn Behalf Of TonySunday, April 29, 2007 2:57 PMoleander soup Subject: Which came first, - the egg or the cholesterol?

 

Eggs really aren't that bad for your cholesterol, especially if youuse the free ranging high omega-3 version. Beside, the wholecholesterol thing is mostly a myth used to promote new treatments anddrugs, such as the statin drugs which, in typical mainstream medicinefashion, do nothing to treat the underlying causes of highcholesterol, but instead force the liver to artificially produce lesscholesterol. Wonder of wonders, they are finally admitting thatstatin drugs have some pretty nasty side effects. Imagine that!My suggestion is to make yourself a good healthy omelet of organichigh omega-3 free ranging hen eggs mixed 50/50 with one of the betteregg substitutes made from 98% or more egg whites (read the ingredientscarefully to make sure you avoid any soy or msg!), with some choppedtomato, onion, garlic, mushrooms (rieshi, maitake or shitake),peppers, and whatever else strikes your fancy or tastebuds (I haveused squash, zucchini, broccoli and more) etc., and a bit of cayenne.Yum!TonyP.S. Wouldn't it be great for members to share their favorite healthyrecipes with the group? Hint, hint, hint!oleander soup , " May" <luellamay129wrote:>> Well, let's see...> > I eat lots of salads. My favorite.> Mostly raw vegetables, sometimes steamed.> I always include broccoli and spinach.> Pure Water> Black Tea and Green Tea> I don't eat red meat, only fish, turkey, and chicken.> Although I don't have any cholesterol issues I rarely eat eggs. > I only use olive oil.> Cheese now and then> > Vitamins -> > Int he past six months, I have switched to the True Essential brands > which are excellent. I take the women's pak every day> Mineral ph> Joint solutions with HA.> > Now, I have two questions. Are soy beans themselves good for you? I > was surprised to see no soy with no MSG, although I had heard that > soy products aren't recommended anymore.> > Also, the oleander soup. Where do you get it?> > > > oleander soup , "Tony" @> wrote:> >> > oleander soup , "kevinphett" <kevinphett@> > wrote:> > >> > > Just intrested in what some of you guys and gals take everyday in> > > being proactive for your health. What do you do as in regards to > diet> > > and or supplementation?> > >> > What I shoot for includes:> > > > Pure water> > Green & black tea> > Raw or steamed vegetables and fruits of all the varying colors,> > especially the dark green vegetables (raw spinach) and the dark > fruits> > and fruit juices (dark grapes, pomegranate)> > Cold water fish, turkey or chicken> > Brown eggs from free ranging hens> > Raw almonds> > Minimal diary products (yogurt), minimal whole grain products> > Raw garlic, minced> > Cayenne pepper> > NO soy! NO MSG!> > Olive oil> > Coconut oil> > > > Omega 3 supplement from flaxseed, borage, fish and safflower> > Turmeric> > CoQ10> > Milk Thistle (silymarin)> > Alpha Lipoic Acid> > Selenium> > Garlic> > Vitamin D> > Calcium> > Magnesium> > Zinc> > Multi-vitamin> > Acetyl L-Carnitine> > Sometimes Melatonin and Valerian Root for sleep> > Sometimes green superfoods (chlorella and spirulina)> > Oleander soup twice a week> > > > At present, I fudge more than I should - but if I had cancer or> > another cell degenerative condition, I would be very strict and do> > much more - and would absolutely include the new OPC supplement made> > now with 80% oleander and 20% sutherlandia frutescans. Others would> > likely include graviola and cat's claw, more frequent> > cleanses/detox's, a bit more exercise, cutting out almost all dairy> > and grains, etc.> > > > In the files section here, as well as in my book, you will find "A> > Plan for Living a Long and Healthy Life", which contains what I > think> > is a pretty good list of things to do and things to avoid. I will > be> > updating it soon.> > > > Tony> >>