Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Hello again everyone.Thanks a lot for your information, Lee - it is refreshing to see communications from Ozelle for a change. Perhaps I should add my own perspective on this:When I was researching oleander and writing my book, I made multiple attempts to contact Ozelle, but received no reply. I find it more than a little bit interesting that Ozelle, or those representing Ozelle, has recently either contacted or responded to myself and other individuals and organizations I am familiar with.I have no way of knowing if this has any connection with Pheonix Biotech's announcement that they were pursuing develpment of a novel oleander based product that is to be available in tablet form and is reputed to be stronger and more effective than Anvirzel, but the timetable of the two do match up pretty closely. For all I know, the recent communications might have more to do between a couple of what I understand are long-time rival factions in the Ozelle group, but that is just speculation.What I do know is that some of the information that has been coming forth appears to be unfairly negative towards Phoenix and gives a different version of what I found in my research. For example, it is now being contended that my book's version of Doc Ozel's discovery of the oleander remedy did NOT happen as a result of him searching for a cure for his dog's cancer, but rather that dogs were involved in "animal studie". That surely sounds more scientific, and perhaps even more plausible, but it contradicts what I was told by TWO eyewitnesses that they heard Doctor Ozelle state very clearly that the dog story is true at a function they all attended. I was not there, but one of my sources has never once told me anything false.Here is what I understand to be the facts regarding the trademark issue:At the time Phoenix applied for a trademark, Ozelle had lost their trademark in the U.S.twice due to non-commercialization within the statutory three year period plus the grace period. Pharmas use alpha numeric codes for their products during the Clinical Trials process for the reason that it almost always takes longer than three years for an NDA to be granted. Phoenix applied for the trademark to protect it for Ozelle in the U.S. Ozelle knew about this, and in fact agreed to it. Phoenix felt like they might have a chance to get it issued, since they do sell the product. There is a document that memorializes this agreement. If the patent had issued to Phoenix, they contend that they would have assigned it to Ozelle, thereby providing them with something they cannot accomplish without sales. Just as Lee Erickson stated he is a shareholder in both Ozelle and Phoenix, so is the president of Phoenix a major shareholder in both companies. Phoenix and Ozelle previously had settled their differences and there is a signed agreeement to that effect. At one time, Ozell asked Phoenixus if they would manufacture Anvirzel for Ozelle's Phase II Trial. But that never transpired and Phoenix reports that they haven't heard from Ozelle for some time now. From what I am told, Phoenix was simply doing Ozelle a favor. Currently Phoenix is pursuing their novel oral formulation in the U.S., not Anvirzel.I welcome any helpful information that Ozelle might wish to supply and regret that I have been unable to establish communications with Ozelle in the past. Having said that, I must also add that while discussion of oleander based remedies and commercial products are appropriate for this forum, it is not the appropriate place for a debate between commercial entities. I have seen that happen in the past and it ended up being a terrible abuse of a forum site and a disservice to those who have concerns about cancer and other illnesses and those who wish to learn more about oleander without being hampered by such a debate - and I will not allow that to happen in this forum!Live long, live healthy, live happy!TonyLee Erickson <leeerick wrote: > Message: 2 > Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:51:24 -0800 (PST) > Edward Hensley <ed4636 > Re: Information that I have found > > Lee,thanks. Remind me who you are please, and why who > holds the trademark is important to anyone but these > two. I am a shareholder in both companies. I understand that there is a difference in the way "Anvirzel" is made by the two companies. I merely wish that all concerned be well informed. I am very short on time now and will elaborate in a few days. Lee Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Tony, isn't this kinda like a battle between Campbell Soup Co, and their competitors. If it's chicken soup with noodles, and the recipe is the same, who cares? If you want, you can make your own with some chicken, a few spices, some noodles, and a few vegetables. Oleander soup is easy to make, is basically the same, and if you have the plant, almost free. I made a gallon of concentrate today for myself, which cost me nothing. My neighbors oleanders were drooping over my boat trailer, so I just trimmed, cooked, strained, condensed, and voila', soup. Once your book gets around, and the public learns how easy it is to make their own, voila', no more Ozelle or Phoenix. Ed oleander soup , Tony Isaacs wrote: > > Hello again everyone. > > Thanks a lot for your information, Lee - it is refreshing to see communications from Ozelle for a change. Perhaps I should add my own perspective on this: > > When I was researching oleander and writing my book, I made multiple attempts to contact Ozelle, but received no reply. I find it more than a little bit interesting that Ozelle, or those representing Ozelle, has recently either contacted or responded to myself and other individuals and organizations I am familiar with. > > I have no way of knowing if this has any connection with Pheonix Biotech's announcement that they were pursuing develpment of a novel oleander based product that is to be available in tablet form and is reputed to be stronger and more effective than Anvirzel, but the timetable of the two do match up pretty closely. For all I know, the recent communications might have more to do between a couple of what I understand are long-time rival factions in the Ozelle group, but that is just speculation. > > What I do know is that some of the information that has been coming forth appears to be unfairly negative towards Phoenix and gives a different version of what I found in my research. For example, it is now being contended that my book's version of Doc Ozel's discovery of the oleander remedy did NOT happen as a result of him searching for a cure for his dog's cancer, but rather that dogs were involved in " animal studie " . That surely sounds more scientific, and perhaps even more plausible, but it contradicts what I was told by TWO eyewitnesses that they heard Doctor Ozelle state very clearly that the dog story is true at a function they all attended. I was not there, but one of my sources has never once told me anything false. > > Here is what I understand to be the facts regarding the trademark issue: > > At the time Phoenix applied for a trademark, Ozelle had lost their trademark in the U.S.twice due to non-commercialization within the statutory three year period plus the grace period. Pharmas use alpha numeric codes for their products during the Clinical Trials process for the reason that it almost always takes longer than three years for an NDA to be granted. Phoenix applied for the trademark to protect it for Ozelle in the U.S. Ozelle knew about this, and in fact agreed to it. Phoenix felt like they might have a chance to get it issued, since they do sell the product. There is a document that memorializes this agreement. If the patent had issued to Phoenix, they contend that they would have assigned it to Ozelle, thereby providing them with something they cannot accomplish without sales. > > Just as Lee Erickson stated he is a shareholder in both Ozelle and Phoenix, so is the president of Phoenix a major shareholder in both companies. > > Phoenix and Ozelle previously had settled their differences and there is a signed agreeement to that effect. At one time, Ozell asked Phoenixus if they would manufacture Anvirzel for Ozelle's Phase II Trial. But that never transpired and Phoenix reports that they haven't heard from Ozelle for some time now. > > From what I am told, Phoenix was simply doing Ozelle a favor. Currently Phoenix is pursuing their novel oral formulation in the U.S., not Anvirzel. > > I welcome any helpful information that Ozelle might wish to supply and regret that I have been unable to establish communications with Ozelle in the past. Having said that, I must also add that while discussion of oleander based remedies and commercial products are appropriate for this forum, it is not the appropriate place for a debate between commercial entities. I have seen that happen in the past and it ended up being a terrible abuse of a forum site and a disservice to those who have concerns about cancer and other illnesses and those who wish to learn more about oleander without being hampered by such a debate - and I will not allow that to happen in this forum! > > Live long, live healthy, live happy! > > > > > > Lee Erickson <leeerick wrote: > > Message: 2 > > Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:51:24 -0800 (PST) > > Edward Hensley <ed4636 > > Re: Information that I have found > > > > Lee,thanks. Remind me who you are please, and why who > > holds the trademark is important to anyone but these > > two. > > I am a shareholder in both companies. I understand that > there is a difference in the way " Anvirzel " is made by the > two companies. I merely wish that all concerned be well > informed. > > I am very short on time now and will elaborate in a few > days. > > Lee > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Ed4soup, you know that I prefer the home version. I just consider it to be fresher and more natural than something you have to freeze dry and then re-constitute - but that is just my own opinion and not backed up by any scientific facts. I have seen amazing results with both the oleander soup and the patented medicine Anvirzel.I actually think that no matter how many copies of my book are sold, even if it's as many as the scam book of Kevin Trudeau, it will actually increase the exposure and sales of the commercial product and the company or companies that make it - because a great number of people will prefer to have a product made in an FDA and/or WHO approved facility. The same holds true for manufacturers of supplements that contain oleander extract such as my friend down in Brazil, even though the oleander extract is made exactly according to the "recipe" for oleander soup.A perfect example is my uncle of 84 who is about to begin treatments with Anvirzel because he trusts the commercial product. Similarly, there are many who choose to use Anvirzel, oleander soup, or one of the supplements along with chemo or radiation. Even though it is my strong belief, shared by some medical professionals, that oleander extract helps achieve better results for chemo and radiatin patients because it fights both the cancer and the side effects of those treatments. That is why chemo and radiation patients tend to have much better results than those who use chemo or radiation, or both, without oleander, while at the same time those that use oleander without chemo or radiation have better results still. One of the unheralded benefits of using oleander as a complimentary alternative medication (CAM) is that it either eliminates or greatly reduces all known side effects normally associated with chemo and radiation, including hair loss.We have been conditioned for several geneartions now - almost 90 years in fact - by a well coordinated plan by the trillion dollar plus world pharmaceutical industry to castigate and replace natural remedies with ones they create in their lab, control by exclusive patents and charge incredible prices for. It will be hard to offset the three billion dollars they spend annually to promote their products and suppress natural alternatives (but still we fight the good fight, don't we!).I personally am very thankful for the companies like Ozelle and Phoenix for bringing Anvirzel into the world. If not for them, a sage fellow down in South Texas would never have come up with oleander soup! Whether it is Anvirzel, oleander soup, some other form of oleander extract, or a combination, the good Doctor H. Zima Ozel will have left quite a legacy I think.Tonyed4soup <ed4636 wrote: Tony, isn't this kinda like a battle between Campbell Soup Co, and their competitors. If it's chicken soup with noodles, and the recipe is the same, who cares? If you want, you can make your own with some chicken, a few spices, some noodles, and a few vegetables. Oleander soup is easy to make, is basically the same, and if you have the plant, almost free. I made a gallon of concentrate today for myself, which cost me nothing. My neighbors oleanders were drooping over my boat trailer, so I just trimmed, cooked, strained, condensed, and voila', soup. Once your book gets around, and the public learns how easy it is to make their own, voila', no more Ozelle or Phoenix. Ed oleander soup , Tony Isaacs wrote: > > Hello again everyone. > > Thanks a lot for your information, Lee - it is refreshing to see communications from Ozelle for a change. Perhaps I should add my own perspective on this: > > When I was researching oleander and writing my book, I made multiple attempts to contact Ozelle, but received no reply. I find it more than a little bit interesting that Ozelle, or those representing Ozelle, has recently either contacted or responded to myself and other individuals and organizations I am familiar with. > > I have no way of knowing if this has any connection with Pheonix Biotech's announcement that they were pursuing develpment of a novel oleander based product that is to be available in tablet form and is reputed to be stronger and more effective than Anvirzel, but the timetable of the two do match up pretty closely. For all I know, the recent communications might have more to do between a couple of what I understand are long-time rival factions in the Ozelle group, but that is just speculation. > > What I do know is that some of the information that has been coming forth appears to be unfairly negative towards Phoenix and gives a different version of what I found in my research. For example, it is now being contended that my book's version of Doc Ozel's discovery of the oleander remedy did NOT happen as a result of him searching for a cure for his dog's cancer, but rather that dogs were involved in "animal studie". That surely sounds more scientific, and perhaps even more plausible, but it contradicts what I was told by TWO eyewitnesses that they heard Doctor Ozelle state very clearly that the dog story is true at a function they all attended. I was not there, but one of my sources has never once told me anything false. > > Here is what I understand to be the facts regarding the trademark issue: > > At the time Phoenix applied for a trademark, Ozelle had lost their trademark in the U.S.twice due to non-commercialization within the statutory three year period plus the grace period. Pharmas use alpha numeric codes for their products during the Clinical Trials process for the reason that it almost always takes longer than three years for an NDA to be granted. Phoenix applied for the trademark to protect it for Ozelle in the U.S. Ozelle knew about this, and in fact agreed to it. Phoenix felt like they might have a chance to get it issued, since they do sell the product. There is a document that memorializes this agreement. If the patent had issued to Phoenix, they contend that they would have assigned it to Ozelle, thereby providing them with something they cannot accomplish without sales. > > Just as Lee Erickson stated he is a shareholder in both Ozelle and Phoenix, so is the president of Phoenix a major shareholder in both companies. > > Phoenix and Ozelle previously had settled their differences and there is a signed agreeement to that effect. At one time, Ozell asked Phoenixus if they would manufacture Anvirzel for Ozelle's Phase II Trial. But that never transpired and Phoenix reports that they haven't heard from Ozelle for some time now. > > From what I am told, Phoenix was simply doing Ozelle a favor. Currently Phoenix is pursuing their novel oral formulation in the U.S., not Anvirzel. > > I welcome any helpful information that Ozelle might wish to supply and regret that I have been unable to establish communications with Ozelle in the past. Having said that, I must also add that while discussion of oleander based remedies and commercial products are appropriate for this forum, it is not the appropriate place for a debate between commercial entities. I have seen that happen in the past and it ended up being a terrible abuse of a forum site and a disservice to those who have concerns about cancer and other illnesses and those who wish to learn more about oleander without being hampered by such a debate - and I will not allow that to happen in this forum! > > Live long, live healthy, live happy! > > Tony > > > > Lee Erickson <leeerick wrote: > > Message: 2 > > Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:51:24 -0800 (PST) > > Edward Hensley <ed4636 > > Re: Information that I have found > > > > Lee,thanks. Remind me who you are please, and why who > > holds the trademark is important to anyone but these > > two. > > I am a shareholder in both companies. I understand that > there is a difference in the way "Anvirzel" is made by the > two companies. I merely wish that all concerned be well > informed. > > I am very short on time now and will elaborate in a few > days. > > Lee > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Good Im just waiting for my plant to grow ..and then im making the soup....who was the fellow who has lots in his back yard to ship for $25,00...I may be interested with a friend to have some plants sent to us......take care Sandy xxxxx - Tony Isaacs oleander soup Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:57 PM Re: Re: Anvirzel, Ozelle and Phoenix Ed4soup, you know that I prefer the home version. I just consider it to be fresher and more natural than something you have to freeze dry and then re-constitute - but that is just my own opinion and not backed up by any scientific facts. I have seen amazing results with both the oleander soup and the patented medicine Anvirzel.I actually think that no matter how many copies of my book are sold, even if it's as many as the scam book of Kevin Trudeau, it will actually increase the exposure and sales of the commercial product and the company or companies that make it - because a great number of people will prefer to have a product made in an FDA and/or WHO approved facility. The same holds true for manufacturers of supplements that contain oleander extract such as my friend down in Brazil, even though the oleander extract is made exactly according to the "recipe" for oleander soup.A perfect example is my uncle of 84 who is about to begin treatments with Anvirzel because he trusts the commercial product. Similarly, there are many who choose to use Anvirzel, oleander soup, or one of the supplements along with chemo or radiation. Even though it is my strong belief, shared by some medical professionals, that oleander extract helps achieve better results for chemo and radiatin patients because it fights both the cancer and the side effects of those treatments. That is why chemo and radiation patients tend to have much better results than those who use chemo or radiation, or both, without oleander, while at the same time those that use oleander without chemo or radiation have better results still. One of the unheralded benefits of using oleander as a complimentary alternative medication (CAM) is that it either eliminates or greatly reduces all known side effects normally associated with chemo and radiation, including hair loss.We have been conditioned for several geneartions now - almost 90 years in fact - by a well coordinated plan by the trillion dollar plus world pharmaceutical industry to castigate and replace natural remedies with ones they create in their lab, control by exclusive patents and charge incredible prices for. It will be hard to offset the three billion dollars they spend annually to promote their products and suppress natural alternatives (but still we fight the good fight, don't we!).I personally am very thankful for the companies like Ozelle and Phoenix for bringing Anvirzel into the world. If not for them, a sage fellow down in South Texas would never have come up with oleander soup! Whether it is Anvirzel, oleander soup, some other form of oleander extract, or a combination, the good Doctor H. Zima Ozel will have left quite a legacy I think.Tonyed4soup <ed4636 wrote: Tony, isn't this kinda like a battle between Campbell Soup Co, andtheir competitors. If it's chicken soup with noodles, and the recipeis the same, who cares? If you want, you can make your own with somechicken, a few spices, some noodles, and a few vegetables. Oleandersoup is easy to make, is basically the same, and if you have theplant, almost free. I made a gallon of concentrate today for myself,which cost me nothing. My neighbors oleanders were drooping over myboat trailer, so I just trimmed, cooked, strained, condensed, andvoila', soup. Once your book gets around, and the public learns howeasy it is to make their own, voila', no more Ozelle or Phoenix. Ed oleander soup , Tony Isaacs wrote:>> Hello again everyone.> > Thanks a lot for your information, Lee - it is refreshing to seecommunications from Ozelle for a change. Perhaps I should add my ownperspective on this:> > When I was researching oleander and writing my book, I made multipleattempts to contact Ozelle, but received no reply. I find it morethan a little bit interesting that Ozelle, or those representingOzelle, has recently either contacted or responded to myself and otherindividuals and organizations I am familiar with.> > I have no way of knowing if this has any connection with PheonixBiotech's announcement that they were pursuing develpment of a noveloleander based product that is to be available in tablet form and isreputed to be stronger and more effective than Anvirzel, but thetimetable of the two do match up pretty closely. For all I know, therecent communications might have more to do between a couple of what Iunderstand are long-time rival factions in the Ozelle group, but thatis just speculation.> > What I do know is that some of the information that has been comingforth appears to be unfairly negative towards Phoenix and gives adifferent version of what I found in my research. For example, it isnow being contended that my book's version of Doc Ozel's discovery ofthe oleander remedy did NOT happen as a result of him searching for acure for his dog's cancer, but rather that dogs were involved in"animal studie". That surely sounds more scientific, and perhaps evenmore plausible, but it contradicts what I was told by TWO eyewitnessesthat they heard Doctor Ozelle state very clearly that the dog story istrue at a function they all attended. I was not there, but one of mysources has never once told me anything false.> > Here is what I understand to be the facts regarding the trademark issue:> > At the time Phoenix applied for a trademark, Ozelle had lost theirtrademark in the U.S.twice due to non-commercialization within thestatutory three year period plus the grace period. Pharmas use alphanumeric codes for their products during the Clinical Trials processfor the reason that it almost always takes longer than three yearsfor an NDA to be granted. Phoenix applied for the trademark toprotect it for Ozelle in the U.S. Ozelle knew about this, and infact agreed to it. Phoenix felt like they might have a chance to getit issued, since they do sell the product. There is a document thatmemorializes this agreement. If the patent had issued to Phoenix,they contend that they would have assigned it to Ozelle, therebyproviding them with something they cannot accomplish without sales. > > Just as Lee Erickson stated he is a shareholder in both Ozelle andPhoenix, so is the president of Phoenix a major shareholder in bothcompanies.> > Phoenix and Ozelle previously had settled their differences andthere is a signed agreeement to that effect. At one time, Ozell askedPhoenixus if they would manufacture Anvirzel for Ozelle's Phase IITrial. But that never transpired and Phoenix reports that they haven'theard from Ozelle for some time now.> > From what I am told, Phoenix was simply doing Ozelle a favor. Currently Phoenix is pursuing their novel oral formulation in theU.S., not Anvirzel.> > I welcome any helpful information that Ozelle might wish to supplyand regret that I have been unable to establish communications withOzelle in the past. Having said that, I must also add that whilediscussion of oleander based remedies and commercial products areappropriate for this forum, it is not the appropriate place for adebate between commercial entities. I have seen that happen in thepast and it ended up being a terrible abuse of a forum site and adisservice to those who have concerns about cancer and other illnessesand those who wish to learn more about oleander without being hamperedby such a debate - and I will not allow that to happen in this forum!> > Live long, live healthy, live happy!> > Tony> > > > Lee Erickson <leeerick wrote: > > Message: 2 > > Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:51:24 -0800 (PST)> > Edward Hensley <ed4636> > Re: Information that I have found> > > > Lee,thanks. Remind me who you are please, and why who> > holds the trademark is important to anyone but these> > two.> > I am a shareholder in both companies. I understand that> there is a difference in the way "Anvirzel" is made by the> two companies. I merely wish that all concerned be well> informed. > > I am very short on time now and will elaborate in a few> days.> > Lee> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Al, no one to my knowledge has offered to sell plant clippings, even though the plants are out there, and the cost is minimal. If there was a demand, I'm confident the suppliers, those livig in oleander country, could fullfil it. Ed oleander soup , " Al Cizauskas " <destress wrote: > > Good Im just waiting for my plant to grow ..and then im making the soup....who was the fellow who has lots in his back yard to ship for $25,00...I may be interested with a friend to have some plants sent to us......take care Sandy xxxxx > - > Tony Isaacs > oleander soup > Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:57 PM > Re: Re: Anvirzel, Ozelle and Phoenix > > > > Ed4soup, you know that I prefer the home version. I just consider it to be fresher and more natural than something you have to freeze dry and then re-constitute - but that is just my own opinion and not backed up by any scientific facts. I have seen amazing results with both the oleander soup and the patented medicine Anvirzel. > > I actually think that no matter how many copies of my book are sold, even if it's as many as the scam book of Kevin Trudeau, it will actually increase the exposure and sales of the commercial product and the company or companies that make it - because a great number of people will prefer to have a product made in an FDA and/or WHO approved facility. The same holds true for manufacturers of supplements that contain oleander extract such as my friend down in Brazil, even though the oleander extract is made exactly according to the " recipe " for oleander soup. > > A perfect example is my uncle of 84 who is about to begin treatments with > Anvirzel because he trusts the commercial product. Similarly, there are many who choose to use Anvirzel, oleander soup, or one of the supplements along with chemo or radiation. Even though it is my strong belief, shared by some medical professionals, that oleander extract helps achieve better results for chemo and radiatin patients because it fights both the cancer and the side effects of those treatments. That is why chemo and radiation patients tend to have much better results than those who use chemo or radiation, or both, without oleander, while at the same time those that use oleander without chemo or radiation have better results still. One of the unheralded benefits of using oleander as a complimentary alternative medication (CAM) is that it either eliminates or greatly reduces all known side effects normally associated with chemo and radiation, including hair loss. > > We have been conditioned for several geneartions now - almost 90 years in fact - by a well coordinated plan by the trillion dollar plus world pharmaceutical industry to castigate and replace natural remedies with ones they create in their lab, control by exclusive patents and charge incredible prices for. It will be hard to offset the three billion dollars they spend annually to promote their products and suppress natural alternatives (but still we fight the good fight, don't we!). > > I personally am very thankful for the companies like Ozelle and Phoenix for bringing Anvirzel into the world. If not for them, a sage fellow down in South Texas would never have come up with oleander soup! Whether it is Anvirzel, oleander soup, some other form of oleander extract, or a combination, the good Doctor H. Zima Ozel will have left quite a legacy I think. > > > > > > > ed4soup <ed4636 wrote: > Tony, isn't this kinda like a battle between Campbell Soup Co, and > their competitors. If it's chicken soup with noodles, and the recipe > is the same, who cares? If you want, you can make your own with some > chicken, a few spices, some noodles, and a few vegetables. Oleander > soup is easy to make, is basically the same, and if you have the > plant, almost free. I made a gallon of concentrate today for myself, > which cost me nothing. My neighbors oleanders were drooping over my > boat trailer, so I just trimmed, cooked, strained, condensed, and > voila', soup. Once your book gets around, and the public learns how > easy it is to make their own, voila', no more Ozelle or Phoenix. Ed > > > > > oleander soup , Tony Isaacs @> wrote: > > > > Hello again everyone. > > > > Thanks a lot for your information, Lee - it is refreshing to see > communications from Ozelle for a change. Perhaps I should add my own > perspective on this: > > > > When I was researching oleander and writing my book, I made multiple > attempts to contact Ozelle, but received no reply. I find it more > than a little bit interesting that Ozelle, or those representing > Ozelle, has recently either contacted or responded to myself and other > individuals and organizations I am familiar with. > > > > I have no way of knowing if this has any connection with Pheonix > Biotech's announcement that they were pursuing develpment of a novel > oleander based product that is to be available in tablet form and is > reputed to be stronger and more effective than Anvirzel, but the > timetable of the two do match up pretty closely. For all I know, the > recent communications might have more to do between a couple of what I > understand are long-time rival factions in the Ozelle group, but that > is just speculation. > > > > What I do know is that some of the information that has been coming > forth appears to be unfairly negative towards Phoenix and gives a > different version of what I found in my research. For example, it is > now being contended that my book's version of Doc Ozel's discovery of > the oleander remedy did NOT happen as a result of him searching for a > cure for his dog's cancer, but rather that dogs were involved in > " animal studie " . That surely sounds more scientific, and perhaps even > more plausible, but it contradicts what I was told by TWO eyewitnesses > that they heard Doctor Ozelle state very clearly that the dog story is > true at a function they all attended. I was not there, but one of my > sources has never once told me anything false. > > > > Here is what I understand to be the facts regarding the trademark issue: > > > > At the time Phoenix applied for a trademark, Ozelle had lost their > trademark in the U.S.twice due to non-commercialization within the > statutory three year period plus the grace period. Pharmas use alpha > numeric codes for their products during the Clinical Trials process > for the reason that it almost always takes longer than three years > for an NDA to be granted. Phoenix applied for the trademark to > protect it for Ozelle in the U.S. Ozelle knew about this, and in > fact agreed to it. Phoenix felt like they might have a chance to get > it issued, since they do sell the product. There is a document that > memorializes this agreement. If the patent had issued to Phoenix, > they contend that they would have assigned it to Ozelle, thereby > providing them with something they cannot accomplish without sales. > > > > Just as Lee Erickson stated he is a shareholder in both Ozelle and > Phoenix, so is the president of Phoenix a major shareholder in both > companies. > > > > Phoenix and Ozelle previously had settled their differences and > there is a signed agreeement to that effect. At one time, Ozell asked > Phoenixus if they would manufacture Anvirzel for Ozelle's Phase II > Trial. But that never transpired and Phoenix reports that they haven't > heard from Ozelle for some time now. > > > > From what I am told, Phoenix was simply doing Ozelle a favor. > Currently Phoenix is pursuing their novel oral formulation in the > U.S., not Anvirzel. > > > > I welcome any helpful information that Ozelle might wish to supply > and regret that I have been unable to establish communications with > Ozelle in the past. Having said that, I must also add that while > discussion of oleander based remedies and commercial products are > appropriate for this forum, it is not the appropriate place for a > debate between commercial entities. I have seen that happen in the > past and it ended up being a terrible abuse of a forum site and a > disservice to those who have concerns about cancer and other illnesses > and those who wish to learn more about oleander without being hampered > by such a debate - and I will not allow that to happen in this forum! > > > > Live long, live healthy, live happy! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lee Erickson <leeerick@> wrote: > > > Message: 2 > > > Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:51:24 -0800 (PST) > > > Edward Hensley <ed4636@> > > > Re: Information that I have found > > > > > > Lee,thanks. Remind me who you are please, and why who > > > holds the trademark is important to anyone but these > > > two. > > > > I am a shareholder in both companies. I understand that > > there is a difference in the way " Anvirzel " is made by the > > two companies. I merely wish that all concerned be well > > informed. > > > > I am very short on time now and will elaborate in a few > > days. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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