Oleander Tea

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Janna -I am very familiar with the report you refer to and it has absolutely nothing to do with oleander soup, other than to re-emphasize that you must be very careful in handling the raw plant materials and you must follow the instructions. All the woman in the report did was steep some oleander plant material in water and consume as a tea. Definitely not a good idea!Just to give you a bit more information: the MAXIMUM dosage amounts recommended for oleander soup are in very close correlation with the max dosage amounts established for Anvirzel in successful the FDA phase I trials. However, there is a bit of a misconception regarding the maximum safe dosage levels of Anvirzel (and thus oleander soup). It is commonly thought that, due to the cardiac glycosides in oleader which cross assay for digoxin (or digatialis), that the FDA phase I trials for Anvirzel established a maximum "safe" level of Anvirzel based on

cardiac glycoside contents (and normally part of the phase I trial procedure is to establish a limiting maximum safe level). However, in the instance of Anvirzel, what was really the factor that limited maximum dose was simply "volume". The reason this was the case is quite simple: when you extract oleander via the aquaeous method (using water, boiling and filtering), you only get a tiny amount of oleandrin and the other cardiac glyscosides because they are non-polar (not water soluable) compounds. You do get some CG's, just like you do get some of the non-polar fat when you boil meat.The bottom line is that the maximum dose of both Anvirzel and oleander soup are a large way from the maximum "safe" level of cardiac glycosides, and that is one reason that I am not terribly concerned with how close to perfect one makes the soup - as long as they follow instructions on time, volume and filtering - nor on the time of year or condition of the plant (both

of which would have some effect on the strength of the soup).As a note to interested readers (I assume there are some of those here, but this is one QUIET group!), the only other common method used to extract oleander is the ethanol method - which is commonly used in Russia for oleander extract medications for treating vertigo and heart conditions. While this extraction method does get a small amount more of the cardiac glycosides and other non-polar compounds, it loses vital polar compounds that are essential to the synergistic mix that makes oleander so effective - particularyly the long-chain polysacharrides that precipitate out and are lost when the ethanol extraction method is used. The loss of effectiveness was demonstrated, in my opinion, when a fake cancer drug was imported by a fake cancer company and a person who was conned into switching over saw his cancer tumors return and continue to grow until his death. It was a tragic loss of a good

internet friend and I am happy to have played a part in exposing the company and their evil scheme (see http://www.roselaurel.com/mystory.htm for a bit more perspective). Speaking of exposing fake companies, another company that myself and our co-moderator recently helped expose (Cancer Cure) is due to be the subject of a story on Fox News any day now. I really despise the charlatans whose snakeoil remedies and schemes lead to the really good remedies like oleander soup being suppressed and ignored too. Those kind of soulless people just help the medical establishment prevent the truth from getting out that could save untold lives around the world.Tony"The flowers and leaves kill dogs, asses, mules, and very many of other four footed beasts: but if men drink them in wine they are a remedy against the bitings of Serpents, and the rather if Rue be added."John

Gerard, on the oleander plant, from "The Herbal, or General History of Plants", 1633 edition(don't try that yourself!) dreamweavermphs <cr8iveart wrote: oleander soup , Tony Isaacs > wrote: > I checked with a "google search" and got a person who made oleander tea, doesn't say to what strength and how much she took at one time but the person went into tachycardia and died. This was on the Sloan_Kettering web site. I understand that many people are threatened with natural products. Just to be sure I talked with the people at Phoenix Bio Tech, the people who produce the oleander for the clinic in Honduras that sells Anvirzel. He said that the only problem with cooking

it yourself was not knowing exactly how much one was getting with any given dose. But, I am not going to quit. Anyway those were the results of my search. Janna > Janna - > > What toxic reaction are you referring to? From OS or > an oleander extract or from raw oleander? I have > searched far and wide and have been unable to find one > single incidence of toxic reaction to properly > prepared oleander soup, the patented medicine Anvirzel > or the herbal supplements made by Takesun do Brasil. > Nor have I ever heard of a single report of a serious > side effect from any of the above. One cancer > sufferer did report a lot of pain when taking a > combination of OS and a couple of the supplements, but > that was later decided to be likely due more to the > extent of the cancer that had metastisized from the > prostate to the bones. > > The ONLY

reports of oleander toxicity that I can find, > and there are several, are all related to ingestion of > raw oleander - and yes, raw oleander is very toxic. > That is why it is so important to handle it properly > when prep[aring OS. But when properly boiled, > condensed and strained it is quite a different story. > As I said, not a single serious adverse reaction that > I know of. Not one! Compare that to just about any > pharmaceutical product on the market! > > Tony > > On the > > --- dreamweavermphs <cr8iveart@b...> wrote: > > > Tony, > > I have taken 1/2 teaspoon three times a day for a > > day. No immediate side effect. I have > > explored the web and saw the study reporting one > > toxic reaction. Of course, that scared me. I > > have mitro valve prolapse which has never presented >

> a problem. Is there anything that I > > should not take with the oleander soup? Had a really > > bad night last night - couldn't sleep. > > But, that was not because of the oleander - that is > > a frequent problem for me. Lots of back > > pain, shoulder pain with tingling radiating down my > > arms. Chiropractor says it is problems > > with my neck. I just don't want to take something > > with the oleander soup and have a bad > > reaction because of the combination. I have a mostly > > organic, fish/chicken veggie diet, take > > extra greens, vitamins, Rath formula, RN-10 and lots > > of clean water. Thanks, Janna > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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