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NASA Scientist Quoted In USA Today Talks About

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NASA Scientist Quoted In USA

Today Talks About Chemtrails

 

 

 

FALSE STATEMENT ISSUED

 

>From Clifford E Carnicom

http://www.carnicom.com/minnis1.htm

 

 

A statement by a Mr. Patrick Minnus follows at the end of this page.

 

Let it be known for the record that:

 

Any statements, implications, or insinuations made by any individuals,

including a Mr. Patrick Minnis, that I have received monetary compensation

for personal gain for participation in any video documentary projects are

PATENTLY FALSE and are herein refuted. Monetary compensation for personal

gain is excluded as a factor in any research that I have conducted, am

conducting, or will continue to conduct on the aerosol operations that are

occurring without informed consent. "

 

Those that wish to research this issue may wish to contact the publisher of

any video or informational sources that are referred to. In addition, let it

be known that I specifically did request that a written statement of

non-compensation be included within the recent documentary that is most

likely being referred to. I have not produced any videos to date, but I have

contributed information to various sources for the public welfare.

 

Clifford E Carnicom

 

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The following is an excerpt from a recent relayed posting on the Jeff Rense

internet site (rense.com). The link to this page is entitled " Nasa Scientist

Quoted in USA Today Talks About Chemtrails " .

 

 

" Date 2-28-01

Patrick Minnis <p.minnis

Jet aerosol spraying

CC: g.g.gibson

 

Dear xxx,

 

Your email, copied below, was forwarded to me because I conduct research on

contrails. I am sorry to see that you have been misinformed about the nature

of contrails. Unfortunately, there is an ample supply of people who are

ready to spread rumors and propaganda to upset people simply to draw

attention to themselves or to make a buck (e.g., Carnicom video). Because

the origin of the secret plots promoted by these people is the government,

it is automatically impossible for anyone from the government to refute the

accusations. "

 

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Note - The following two inquiries and responses were sent in from a

concerned citizen who wishes to remain anonymous. The responding scientist,

Dr. Patrick Minnis, is quoted in the USA Today story about Chemtrails also

posted in Headlines.

 

3-7-1

 

First letter to NASA and response from Dr. Patrick Minnis who works at NASA

Langley Research Center.

 

(Note - the letter was originally sent to 'Mr. Gibson' and was forwarded to

Dr. Minnis whose response follows below...)

 

>From xxxx 2-28-01

 

Dear Mr. Gibson,

 

I am wondering how the American people can get any truthful information

about the obviously classified aerial operations going on above our heads.

 

I have been observing this distressing phenomonon for 3/4 of a year now. It

is pretty straight forward that the emissions from these mostly military

aircraft are not just ice crystals and the planes that are emitting these

substances are not flying regular aircraft routes. At this moment there are

jets outside my house systematically working at hazing over the whole sky.

This seems to happen alot before a front passes through. Whether this has to

do with weather modification, biological neutalization, HAARP, solar

shielding or other more sinister plots, oh yes, lets not forget some sort of

missile defense, is what we are trying to find out. When the outdoor

reflective conditions are just right, heavy fallout of different types can

be observed, including highly charged metallic looking particles. Asthma and

other illness are on the sharp increase.

 

I feel the American people deserve answers. I realize certain information

must remain classified for national security and hopefully it's national

security we are talking about. I guess I really don't expect the whole

answer but am hoping for at least some sort of hint or guidance that could

direct our laymen's research. There has to be better ways to approach

whatever this aerial operation is supposed to remedy. I sincerely hope I

will hear back from you and would look forward to any input you could offer.

 

Respectfully, John Smith _____

 

Date 2-28-01 Patrick Minnis <p.minnis Jet

aerosol spraying CC: g.g.gibson

 

Dear xxx,

 

Your email, copied below, was forwarded to me because I conduct research on

contrails. I am sorry to see that you have been misinformed about the nature

of contrails. Unfortunately, there is an ample supply of people who are

ready to spread rumors and propaganda to upset people simply to draw

attention to themselves or to make a buck (e.g., Carnicom video). Because

the origin of the secret plots promoted by these people is the government,

it is automatically impossible for anyone from the government to refute the

accusations.

 

If I refute the notion that the government is spraying people, then I will

be accused of lying and covering up. If I agreed to the idea of spraying,

then I would be saying what you want to hear, but I really would be lying

and would have to make up something. It would sure be exciting if there was

something sinister about contrails. But, it really is just not very

exciting, just a meteorological phenomenon. Then again, I find the study of

these human-clouds very interesting.

 

Truth is, contrails form from the exhaust of high-altitude aircraft,

commercial and military, whenever they fly into air that has the proper

humidity and temperatures. The mixing of the hot moist exhaust with the cold

air cases the formation of ice crystals that will either grow or sublime

(evaporate). Sometimes, they will make short, short-lived contrails.

Sometimes they will make long, long-lived contrails that spread out and

cover the sky. It all depends on the meteorological conditions at the flight

altitude. The reason you see the heavy duty contrails most often prior to a

frontal passage is that the air ahead of a cold front is rising and is

moist. Rising cools the air and increases the relative humidity. The higher

the relative humidity, the more likely you will see spreading contrails.

Often these spreading contrails ahead of a front are followed by cirrus

clouds generated naturally without the extra oomph provided by aircraft

exhaust.

 

Ait traffic is increasing, so contrails are increasing. Because contrails

are increasing, cirrus cloud cover is increasing. Thus, it could be said

that air traffic is modifying the weather. However, the modification is not

planned, nor is it desired. It is an artifact of the technology, just like

air pollution in the city occurs because of the autombile exhaust.

 

For more information, I would recommend that you check out my web site,

www-pm.larc.nasa.gov, click on SASS.

 

If you need any copies of the article listed in the references, let me know.

 

Sincerely, Patrick Minnis

 

Dr. Patrick Minnis MS 420 NASA Langley Research Center Hampton, VA

23681-0001

 

757-864-5671 fax: 757-864-7996 p.minnis

http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/pages/minnis_home.html

 

 

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Second letter to and response from Dr. Minnis

 

>From xxxx 3-2-01

 

Dear Dr. Minnis,

 

I want to thank you for taking the time to answer my e-mail. Some of what

you said makes sense to me however there are still many questions. Obviously

you have a much more extensive knowledge of atmospheric conditions than I

do.

 

Either the components of our atmosphere have changed drastically in the past

couple of years or the fuel mixture of some jets has been altered. Granted,

air traffic has increased and this can account for the large number of

trails. However my observations are more centered on the characteristics of

the contrails and the manner in which they are laid down. Many of these

" contrails " have a very specifically different texture, quality and

brightness than the old fashioned contrails. I have taken some truely

bizarre photos which will be presented at a scientific conference in Toronto

in March.

 

Can you tell me anything about titanium dioxide?

 

I have come across a patent for Powder Contrail Generation that appears to

have been issued to the Secretary of The Navy back in 1974. This patent

describes the apparatus used to disperse light scattering pigment powder

particles in a manner that would prevent them from clumping together. Here

are a few excerpts Pat. no. us3899144

 

CLAIM:

 

1. Contrail generation having maximum radiation scattering ability for a

given weight material.

 

9. The method of producing a light scattering contrail comprising.

 

a. surface treating light scattering powder particles to minimize

interparticle cohesive forces.

 

b. deagglomerating said powder particles in two stages prior to dispensing

into a jet tube by subjecting said powder particles to a hammering action in

the first stage to aerate and precondition the powder, and by passing said

powder through a jet mill in the second stage to further deagglomerate the

powder.

 

c. dispensing the deagglomerated powder from the jet mill directly into a

jet tube for exhausting said powder into the atmosphere thus forming a

contrail.

 

The present invention is also suitable for use in other aircraft vehicles to

generate contrails for any desired purpose.

 

Titanium dioxide pigment was selected as the primary light scattering

material because of it's highly efficient light scattering ability and

commercially available pigment grades.

 

Other type powder compositions can also be used with the apparatus described

herein. For example, various powder particles which reflect electromagnetic

radiation can be dispensed as a chaff or the like from the contrail

generator.

 

Obviously, many modifications and variations of the present invention are

possible in the light of the above teachings. It is therefore to be

understood that within the scope of the appended claims, the invention may

be practiced otherwise than specifically described. "

 

If this technology was available in1974, I can only imagine what is now

available.

 

There are also patents for scattering aluminum particles into the atmosphere

for the purpose of solar shielding. If contrails are an increasing cause of

global warming, as you say, then it would make sense that to counteract this

they could be spraying aluminum particles or other reflective elements to

direct the radiation back out of the environment. I believe the goal at one

point was to reduce this problem by at least 1%.

 

Do you think the reflective and at times highly charged particles I am

seeing in the atmosphere can be attributed to the above or could what I'm

seeing be connected with metallic particles produced from jet fuel

combustion?

 

I spoke to Lisa Chang (jet exhaust researcher) whom you may know, and she

suggested that somehow we collect samples of the fallout we're seeing. She

said that in order for them to investigate, the samples would have to be

collected first. I would think that this would be their job. If she has any

clue as to what I'm seeing, she would know that we would have to have access

to very expensive high tech equipment. To begin with some of the particles

we are talking about are submicron in size and also this particulate matter

can only be observed under highly specific reflective conditions. Once the

fallout passes through this zone, it is invisible to the naked eye.

 

I have spoken to several commercial airline and recreational pilots. A

couple of them assured me that what they were observing was not normal

aircraft activity.

 

I have also spoken with a retired military official and showed him some info

about TARFOX. His reply was " I see the good ole boys are still at it. " and

he proceeded to tell me all about aircraft shielding.

 

So, I am sure there are still some normal contrails left somewhere but it

cannot be said that all the ones we are seeing are just composed of ice

crystals. If anything there has to be experimentation going on and it would

be ludicrous to deny an absolute absence of that. Even on the news the other

night they were beginning to admit work with weather modification. That

aspect is almost a given fact.

 

I don't know how much information you are privy to but it would seem

impossible for you to be aware of every classified operation. I am not

trying to be antagonistic but I feel and I want to convey to you that people

have very legitimate reasons for being suspicious. We are seeing very

different patterns of jet activity than a few years back and as I mentioned

before, the texture, quality, brightness and dispersion of the trails are

also very different from what has been observed in the past.

 

Many of us do remember, we don't all have Alzheimer's yet, despite the fact

that aluminum, in quite a few rainwater samples has been found to be 7 times

the accepted limit.

 

I want to thank you again for responding and I appreciate the opportunity to

talk this over with you. I'm impressed that time is taken to explain things

to the common person. If you have any more thoughts on the subject I would

enjoy hearing from you.

 

Sincerely, xxxx _____

 

Fri, 2 Mar 2001 xxxx Patrick Minnis <p.minnis

Jet Aerosol Spraying

 

Dear xxxx,

 

Thanks for your courteous and rational letter. I have had plenty that were

not.

 

I understand your concerns about the increase in contrails and why you may

be skeptical that they are not " regular " contrails.

 

I will be the first to admit that I do not know everything about every

government program, especially those conducted by the Air Force. I am well

aware, however, of the cost, manpower, and complexity involved in conducting

even a small-scale experiment in the upper troposphere where jet aircraft

usually cruise.

 

I am also aware that the Air Force is extremely interested in protecting

their aircraft and have long sought methods for shielding them from

detection or tracking by missile systems designed to knock them out of the

skies. Most of those efforts have been to produce short-term, immediate

protection like chaff.

 

Obviously, development requires testing of various materials and there are

probably numerous other materials that have been examined for such purposes.

I believe aluminum foil flakes have been established as one of the primary

chaff types. Titanium dioxide has long been used as the pigment of choice

for making white paint because of its light scattering properties as noted

below. However, because of the weight constraints on airplanes and the type

of dispersal patterns, I would suspect that foil flakes would be preferable.

However, I don't know if TiO2 or any other chemical types are used for

chaff. But remmeber, chaff is designed for protection from an immediate

threat. It would not make any sense to be spraying it for anything other

than a short burst during training exercises or real combat. Therefore, I

would have to rule out the chaff aspect.

 

I would also rule out the climate modifcation aspect. The effort would be

too expensive, require too much manpower and equipment and probably would

not work. Large, climate-changing programs have been hypothesized and

written about for years, but inevitably they are pie in the sky. Maybe pies

in the sky would change climate. Man's efforts to affect the weather are

typically unplanned, like air pollution, city heat islands, contrails, etc.

Weather modification is something that people have been trying for years

with mixed success. It will continue to go on. But at the scale that would

be associated with climate change? I doubt very seriously.

 

By the way, TARFOX was an experiment designed to study atmospheric aerosols.

It was conducted off the east coast durign the summer so that they woul dbe

sure to get lots of nasty aerosols coming off the continent. The " good ole

boys " were just a bunch of NOAA, NASA, University, and foreign scientists

interested in various aspects of measuring aerosols and their effects.

 

The reasons that you are seeing more contrails and more bizarre-looking

contrails now than before are many. Primarily, I believe that awareness of

contrails is the biggest factor. Honestly, how closely did you or anyone

else look at the skies before being made aware of " chemtrails " ? I have been

studying clouds for 25 years and did not really become aware of the vast

variety of contrail shapes, spreadings, colors, etc. until I heard there was

going to be a NASA-sponsored study of them bac in 1993. Then, I started

looking in the skies with an eye for contrails, and lo and behold, there is

a lot of wierd-looking stuff going on. But that wierd stuff is simply nature

taking its course after the aircraft exhaust mixes with the ambient air.

 

The process of contrail formation is lot like a snowflake. The course of a

contrail's existence is uniquely determined by humidity, temperature, winds,

and nucleation (in the case of contrails: aircraft type, engine type, fuel,

acceleration, and state of the engine). Thus, an incredible array contrails

can and does form. There is really no such thing as an old-fashioned

contrail. They have been doing this stuff all along but were not noticed.

Another factor is the increase in air traffic. Have a look at the flight

frequencies plotted on my web page. There are a lot of planes out there.

 

Another factor causing more contrails is an increase in jet engine

efficiency. More of the engine energy is being converted to thrust, so there

is less heat in the exhaust making contrail formation easier (a cooler mix,

sam e amount of water vapor). Thus, contrails are forming more frequently

even without an increase in planes.

 

I went on a bit long here and need to return to my work. I spend far too

much time answering emails like these and not documenting my results in

papers. But keeping the public informed is part of what the taxpayers expect

for their money and I don't mind doing it.

 

I hope I have answered some of your concerns.

 

Sincerely, PM

 

***************

 

Third letter to and response from Dr. Minnis

 

Dear Dr. Minnis,

 

You are right, aircraft shielding would be a short term manuever and

wouldn't account for what we are seeing. I guess i mentioned that aspect

because of the following. I had spoken to a Major Bigelow (Air National

Guard) who had informed me that he had been an airforce pilot and assured me

that " the airforce doesn't spray ( then he hesitated and said they don't

spray anything " , which I know is an untruth because the airforce does spray

different substances for varied purposes.

 

I'm going to give you more credit than I think you give to yourself. As you

have mentioned you have been studying clouds 25 years prior to the 1993 NASA

study. I would place a bet on it that if the " unusual " contrails had been

around before that , you would have noticed them. The obvious contrails we

are talking about are not hiding in some other dimension until you are

alerted to observe them. It seems to me that, again, if you have been

observing the sky so closely , with a scientific eye, for 25 years prior to

this NASA study and only noticed the bizarre trails when they basically told

you to look for them, then to me this raises a bright red flag.

 

It does seem that climate engineering would be a very expensive operation

but according to The National Center for Policy Analysis " deliberately

introducing fine particles into the atmosphere in order to scatter sunlight

and heat back into space, it would cost as much as 1 billion a year or just

100 million if technology advanced options were employed that would be

between 0.1% and 1% of the 100 billion a year it is estimated would be

required to price ration fossil fuel usage down to the 1990 levels in the

United States alone.

 

The Global Change Research Coordination Office has been promoting

geoengineering for 3 decades. Teller and his colleagues presented their

proposal for geoengineering at the 22ond International Seminar on Planetary

Emergencies in Aug. 1997 " . It was around this time or shortly after that the

public began noticing the contrail phenomonon on such a massive scale.

 

The Global Climate Change Digest- Aug. 1996 - " The Economic Diplomacy of

Geoengineering " - " Geoengineering projects can probably be accomplished by

exo-national programs, not depending on the behavior of populations, not

requiring national regulations or incentives and not depending on universal

participation. It will involve merely deciding what to do, how much to do

and who is to pay for it. "

 

This past fall I went on a trip to Costa Rica. I thought it was very

interesting that despite all the air traffic, there was not 1 contrail to be

seen the whole 10 days I was there. The clouds seemed normal size, texture

and shape and it turned out to be truely a vacation in more ways than one.

:=) Only certain countries seem to be reporting the unusual contrails. I

would be interested in hearing your observations in relation to this aspect.

 

One of the points you brought up made sense to me and was very interesting.

It gives me something to think about and that was the fact that the

efficiency of the jet engine has increased and as a result there is less

heat in the exhaust which makes it easier for contrails to form. My husband

tests jet engines and may know something about this.

 

I'm really not writing you for sparring purposes but I really feel that

sharing ideas and other perspectives gives any of us a broader outlook on

certain situations. Even though I am not a scientist, I have had certain

experiences and am working with certain institutions which help give me

insight and enable me to see how some of the puzzle pieces fit together. I

am not claiming to have answers but in order to get answers we all have to

challenge our preconcieved ideas of reality. I think one of society's

problems is that everyone is too specialized and as a result we really only

see a small piece of the puzzle. This is very evident in the medical

community and through personal situations I have experienced the problems

and politics in this area. This in turn has led me to observe similar

deception in other areas.

 

Over the past year an anonymous team of organized professionals from

scientific, military and security backgrounds, have been researching these

aircraft emissions and their possible applications. From the information

they've gathered, some of the emissions appear to be composed of a base

barium salt mixture. Several types of experimental polymer fibers have been

repeatedly found subsequent to observed aerosol discharge. DARPA documents

describe research into electroactive polmer fibers. This may have something

to do with the electrically charged particles I am seeing. It is thought

that the combination of these airborne particles is contributing to the very

sharp increase rate of asthma and other respiratory illnesses.

 

Through the study of military and scientific documents this investigative

team has come up with several apparent applications of the barium salts and

polymer fibers. These applications include (a). aircraft cloaking when

irradiated. (b) Advanced radar applications © Biological applications -

delivery, decontamination and detection. (d) communications applications (e)

Military weather modification (f) other applications including VTRPE

propagation.

 

There seems to be military projects and experiments going on at every level

of the atmosphere and therefore it is very difficult to separate out what is

causing what. This amy also explain why 1 explanation doesn't seem to fit

what we are seeing.

 

In closing, I just want to say that there is a deliberate and systematic

manner in which the mostly military jets haze over the sky. When apparently

finished whiting out the sky in a specific area with trails that are formed

basically at the same time ( this can be determined by the width of each

trail) they move on to the next patch of blue sky. After the whole sky is

complete( which sometimes only takes a short while), blue patches will

appear during the day.

 

More jets will reinforce these areas. Complete cloud or haze cover is often

the obvious goal. There are usually no military air shows going on so there

would be no reason for the vast amount of military jet activity in each

concentrated area.

 

I appreciate your comment that my last letter was rational. I have had

chronic neurologic Lyme Disease for the past 10 years which has affected my

cognitive and organizational abilities. I have to work very hard at writing

so that I am understood.

 

You seem like a very reasonable person and I hope you will continue to keep

an open mind. The information I've presented is not proof of anything but I

feel there is enough evidence out there that should cause us all to take a

deeper look into this issue. We also need more accountability from some of

these unelected Global Think Tanks and the UN which may be the main forces

behind these operations. I visited your website briefly but want to go back

when I have more time to look it over well. I am very grateful for you

correspondence.

 

Thank you again, xxxxx _____

 

 

Tue, 6 Mar 2001 Patrick Minnis <p.minnis Subject:

Jet aerosol spraying

 

Dear xxxx,

 

Thanks for your thoughtful and interesting email.

 

I do try to keep an open mind, but then again, I have a lot of trouble with

the notion of the observed trails being the result of spraying for climate

purposes or for imbuing the populace with some sort of

toxin/vaccine/microchip/etc.

 

Because of my experience with meteorology, I am continuously baffled by the

complexity of our atmosphere and of man's attempts to conciously alter it

successfully for a particular goal. As I think I mentioned in the last

email, the theories such as those you mention below (Teller) are still pie

in the sky.

 

The best way to get a scattering effect that wil do anything is to load up

the stratosphere with submicron sized particles. To accomplish anything

noticeable in terms of a climate effect you would have to loft material

equivalent in weight/particle number to that injected by a volcano of the

magnitude of El Chichon or greater, more like Pinatubo in size.

 

That would mean the planes would have to deposit 20,000,000 tons of material

in the stratosphere every 2 or 3 years. To keep it up there, it would be

best to place it in the Tropics meaning they would have to reach altitudes

of 55,000 to 60,000 ft. To match the Pinatubo output, this means for the

miltary's C-141B Starlifter with a capacity of 34.3 tons, it would require

only 20,000,000 / 34.3 = 582,030 flights in the course of say, 3 years or

roughly 195,000 flights each year or 531/day just to go up and spray a bunch

of junk into the stratosphere. How much fuel do you think that would

require?

 

If the military had 747s, then the number would drop by a third. But here is

the problem. The volcanos put the material at altitudes above 60,000 ft.

There are very few planes that can reach those altitudes and cargo planes

are not included in that bunch. Most of them fly below 45,000 ft.

 

They could only reach the stratosphere in polar regions and over the US

during the winter.

 

As far as the apparent start of contrail spreading during 1993 and the

public awareness after 1997. AS evidenced by the large numbre of people who

upon being told to look at the sky and notice contrails finally notice them,

I have put myself in that same category. I have not been researching the

details of the clouds but rather have been using relatively low-resolution

geostationary satellite data that make it difficult to track contrails. And

believe me, if you don't have some otion of what you are looking for in

satellite imagery, you won't see it.

 

Watching the History Channel last night reminded me once again how long the

" megasprayer " has been around. Even the bombers during WW-II produced

massive spreading contrails. No, spreading contrails have been around a long

time.

 

I believe the heightened public awareness was set off by the SUCCESS

experiemnt which was conducted during 1996. It received a lot of press

coverage, especially my study of spreading contrails that demonstrated for

the first time just how easily contrails spread into cirrus clouds. It was

covered by a variety of environmentalist type magazines, NPR, NBC, CNN, USA

Today, and a number of other newspapers. That type of coverage will get the

attention of a few people who will try to verify for themselves what is

going on. We were able to track contrails then because the new geostationary

satellites have much higher resolution than earlier ones. Then we were able

to develp a predictive model for determining when they will spread and when

they won't. We are currently tesing it. Teller had nothing to do with public

awareness of contrails.

 

Why do you not see contrails in Costa Rica? First, air traffic over Costa

Ria is relatively light. Second, and more important, the conditions for

contrail formation are generally too high for most commercial air traffic

(the old tropics vs polar effect). Temperatures at flight altitudes in the

US are usaully low enough during the fall, winter, and spring but much less

frequently dutring the summer. That is why we have a dramatic decrease in

contrails during the summer. In the tropics the temperatures at flight

altitudes are like our summer (southern US anyway), so we do not see too

many contrails in places like Costa Rica.

 

I agree that we are all very specialized and cannot see the big picture. I

am not convinced that anyone really has a good sense of the big picture.

Perhaps, the Air Force is conducting some tests likeyou have suggested.

evenso, they don't have the bucks to do anything on a massive scale unless

it is to fight a war.

 

Thanks for the thoughts. Pat M

 

 

 

 

 

Comment

 

>From Robert Johnson 3-8-1

 

 

The two recent articles attempting to explain away CHEMTRAILS is a crock of

nervous sh*t. I have been watching high and hard for more than fifteen years

and I've noticed the evolution...a contrail is a contrail and a chemtrail is

SICK. Any observant idiot can tell the difference between WHITE ...and, say,

BROWN, PINK, OILY looking..POWDEROUS, completely DENSE...and lets not

forget...way to low to be 30,000,40,000 foot high formations...REAL clouds

are now a rare event.

 

There are jets ridiculously circling cities spewing a trail or cutting off

trails to just do immediate U-turns. I have heard the local weather men LIE

about much of what is going on, attempting to cull the daffy public eye.

According to Glen Burns in Atlanta(in 1993,BTW, on a day when a sunbow was

quartered by three HOT sun dogs)...he said " Sun dogs are a rare event. They

only happen once in every five hundred years or so " ...give me a break! And

what about the dance they do in front of RADAR LOOPS, that I KNOW contain

ANOMALIES, to block the viewer...Better yet..what about all the new graphics

on the weather maps that EMULATE radar anomalies...how dumb do they think we

are?

 

I have HOURS of video....my favorite of which is filming three jets laying

down a series of parallel dashes over a ten mile wide spread and watching

the dashes turn into a choreography of PONYTAIL clouds on a day when Atlanta

was DOMINATED by hole punch clouds. It's a real show and the fairy tail is

almost over.

 

Response to the USA Today Article

 

>From Lorie Kramer <seektress 3-10-1

 

Dear Jeff,

 

I want to thank you for reporting the ridiculous article in USA Today

written by the obviously ill-informed Tracy Watson, which quoted the even

more obviously ill-informed (or are they?) Patrick Minnis of NASA's Langley

Research Center in Hampton, Va. and Kenneth Sassen, an atmospheric scientist

at the University of Utah.

 

To give them the benfit of the doubt, the gentlemen may have not been

informed that what citizens across the country are questioning is the

phenomenon well below the 30,000 foot " contails 101 " altitude referenced in

the article.

 

Our experience in CTTUSA is that most people find us, not because they have

heard about it on a " conspiracy theorist " program, or on the internet. They

come looking for answers because they, like myself, saw with their own eyes

abnormal activity of aircraft and contrails above their homes, and they want

to know what it is that they are seeing.

 

I would like to share with you some of the responses our club members have

emailed to USA Today, and Mr. Minnis and Mr Sassen regarding the article.

 

We would like to challenge Mr. Minnis and Mr Sassen to come on your program

with Clifford Carnicom (since they seem to " know " who he is) and discuss the

issue and explain to us what it is we are seeing, by answering our direct

questions. I won't hold my breath for that to happen however. I doubt that

they would open themselves up to direct, honest questions and concerns from

the people seeing this happening in their skies. It wouldn't be as

controlled as a newpaper article.

 

We would also like to encourage anyone who has been following this issue and

has also seen for themselves, and learned the difference between " normal "

contrails and what is being laid above our heads, to write to USA Today

using their feedback form which can be found at

 

http//survey.usatoday.com/cgi-bin/feedbackselect2.cgi?news & news

 

Here are a few messages sent to USA Today from CTTUSA members.

 

" I differ with Kenneth Sassen, Univ of Utah scientist, regarding the

" contrails " which linger in our skies all day and all night in your recent

article. He says they're at 30,000'-40,000', and your article states they

are ice crystals. These statements would be true if they were normal

" contrails " .

 

Please explain then my pictures from Flagstaff, AZ, July 2000--the hottest

summer on record in a 2-year drought--with the sky criss-crossed by " ice "

trails below the 9,000' Mt Elden. By the laws of nature, these trails could

not have formed, let alone open, expand and join together to form one solid

white veil over the entire town, lasting all day. This happened then, and

still does on a daily basis. Please explain why our cumulus clouds have

" cirrus " clouds on top every day--the white veil. I remember white, fluffy

cumulus clouds with blue, blue sky above them. It was a shocking reality to

visit the library and look at " old cloud " pictures in the weather books.

We've accepted the trails on a day-by-day basis and now assume that they are

normal. Please ask the FAA to explain the 10 jets in the skies which are

simultaneously making X patterns in unison. Please ask someone why these

trails linger for hours--if they were " ice crystals " they would evaporate

and disappear in only a few minutes. They don't " blow together " as your

article states. You can clearly see with your own eyes in only 20 minutes

that they open and join together. Chemclouds don't " blow " in the wind as

" normal " clouds do.

 

I watched trails for hours and hours. I observed trails falling through

normal clouds, only to leave the real clouds " skinny " and totally gone in a

few minutes. The jets generally spray the heaviest before the storms and/or

during them. I'll offer a different reason for the " trails " --to produce the

droughts and create global warming so that " a solution " can be offered which

the people will readily accept.

 

Real clouds have different purposes and form under different conditions to

produce different effects. Cumulus clouds cool the Earth and allow heat to

rise. Cirrus clouds hold the heat in and warm the planet.

 

I also find it difficult to believe your " experts " could not find any

pictures. A Google search on the web lists over 5,000 sites (this number has

doubled in only 1 year). I'd be happy to mail them some pics for their

explanations. We're asking--give us some answers. "

 

T Thayer

 

" Dear Dr. Sassen,

 

Perhaps you were unfairly charactarized by the reporter, so I won't assume

that you are an idiot. I'm sure you're capable of expressing yourself

without snorting. You've got lots of capital letters after your name and

your impressive credentials indicate that at one time you must have done a

lot of hard work to gain so much knowledge in Meteorology and Oceanography.

 

That is why it is such a mystery to me that a man of such knowledge would

dismiss this OBVIOUS spraying as " normal jet contrails. " I've read 20

different versions of " Contrails 101 " from the EPA, FAA, etc., and none of

them explain what is immediately obvious to me and thousands of other

Americans. I have to give you guys credit for chutzpah, however in using

photos of real chemtrails on your disinformation sites. The problem is, the

people who visit these sites just aren't buying it. Like me, most of them

began seeing a drastic change in size, shape, and duration of contrails

about two years ago. Most of them, like me, noticed this, BEFORE reading

about it on the internet. Most of them, like me, have been lifelong

skywatchers. Maybe you should get away from your computer more often and

start looking up. We have commercial pilots among us who agree that these

are not contrails.

 

I can only conclude that your mission is disinformation. However, despite

what Patrick Minnis says, we are greatly in favor of logic.

 

Can you logically explain to me why one plane at a high altitude leaves a

thin rapidly dissipating trail, while another plane at a LOWER altitude

simultaneously leaves a vast spreading trail which lingers for hours? Can

you explain, why on two consecutive days, with vitually IDENTICAL temps,

humidity, winds aloft, one day will be totally clear, with jets of all

altitudes leaving little or no trails, and the following day the blue sky

will be rapidly obscured by tanker type planes at various altitudes leaving

enormous spreading trails?

 

Oh yes, one more thing. Just to reinforce your impression that I'm a wacko

internet conspiracy buff (thank God there's not too many of us or we could

be in danger of having an informed population), I have lots of photos of

anomalous objects in the presence of " jet contrails. " Just give me a shout

and I'll email you a few. "

 

Rick Moors

 

" I just sent them the link to the *Owning the weather in 2025* with a note

that this was very helpful to me when I first started researching the

chemtrails and hoping they would find it helpful too for their future

articles on chemtrails... " Virginia

 

" Dear Sir I read with interest and then with great offense Traci Watson's

article in your newspaper on the contrail/chemtrail issue.

 

Let me assure you first and foremost I am most assuredly NOT a conspiracy

theorist and take great offense to that term and intend to look into what

legal action can be taken against your newspaper.

 

What I am is a concerned citizen and parent about this obvious anomaly

occurring over the skies of my home in Chesterfield, Virginia. Today, March

7th, I observed no less than ten planes flying at times in tandem or

separate and apart, but crossing each other's flight path in a matter of

under two to three minutes. I watched the planes rapidly ascend, level off,

and just as rapidly descend, circle around, and make another pass over the

skies. I watched the same planes fly back and forth and circle around and

come back for more. I have watched this phenomena occur since June 2000, but

I am certain it was occurring before then I just didn't have a name for what

I was seeing.

 

You damn right I want answers -- and I've gone the route of a concerned

citizen -- I've contacted my state representatives, I've contacted my

federal representatives -- they all say the same thing -- without observing

what I am seeing day after day in my area. And by the way, the hospitals in

this area are all full, such that they are rerouting ambulances. The schools

in the area are having high absenteeism.

 

I have watched on countless occasions mornings start off with crystal blue

skies, the weather forecaster call for " all clear today, " the planes begin

flying overhead discharging whatever, and in two hours the sky above

completely obliterated by " contrails " -- which then last hours and hours --

I have observed " rainbows " in the clouds after spraying. I have observed the

clouds in my area turn green and red. I've heard of God parting the Red Sea,

but I've never heard of God creating a red cloud.

 

Instead of labeling people " conspiracy theorist, " perhaps it would have been

wise for your reporter to have invited both Nasa, et al, and citizens from

the public to present whatever evidence they have, instead of labeling

across the board anyone who is questioning this as a " conspiracy theorist. "

 

The " contrail/chemtrail " story in your newspaper was not " reporting. " It was

" sensationalizing, " at its worse.

 

Just as an aside, if you are located in the Northern Virginia, DC area, you

also get sprayed almost daily, weather permitting. I'll be happy to send you

an alert the next time there are sprayers in your area -- then you can go

out and gulp down big lungfulls of the stuff. " skyler

 

" To reassure the sheepish of the country that we the skeptical,

investigative types are wackos. Governmental agency cover ups are know

facts. I have been observing these planes and shooting photos of the

chemtrails for 2 years in the skies over the St.Louis area. These are not

normal contrails. I have seen the same plane make a turn and come back over

the same section. Many times there have been as many as 4 to 5 planes at the

approximate same altitude.Now you know the control tower at St.Louis

International Airport has to know why these planes are in there area and

have there flight plan. Best regards " David H.M

 

" I am very disappointed in the way you handled the piece about chemtrails.

Thousands of us suffer the effects and know they are real. I thought you had

better investigative skills than that. Dig a little deeper, if you have the

courage. However, how can we expect more from a newspaper that has it's

address in Arlington,Va. "

 

Novie

 

" I thought your article on the " wacko " people who believe " someone is

spraying them, oh no... " was SO one sided. I am not a " conspiracy theorist " ,

nor a person who has ever written a " threatening missive " . I am however very

skeptical about the fact that there is no rhyme or reason to the times,

places and the very overwhelming patterns of these things.

 

I live by one Airport, and see the regular Air traffic easily every single

day. They have a set pattern due to noise pollution, set times and set

airways up there ( I am right under their flight pattern) I find it hard to

believe they would fly back and forth eighteen times in a row, and come back

and do it all over again. I go driving and see these things in a hundered

mile radius doing the criss cross pattern. So what are the options? Navy

practicing war games? Yeah right, over one of the biggest

populations(Southern California) I live in a city, not in a desert. Hmmmm.

Pilots practicing? Again, over a population?

 

So, all I want to know is who, what, where, when, why???? OH, isn't that

YOUR JOB???? Well. I'd say you are doing a pretty poor job, making all these

people, including myself, look like a bunch of freaks who (how dare they!)

ask the scientists (who are " irritated " ) the Government (who obviously

doesn't care, why should they) and the Press (who only want to tell the

public shut up, or be made to look like a creepy, X-files freak, who

sometimes writes " threatening missives " ), as though by asking questions you

have somehow overstepped some boundary. Stop being the rumormonger and name

caller and just do your job. Or is that your job? Are you paid to make

people look bad who have honest questions about something that doesn't seem

right? " Sincerely, Freedom 4 ever

 

 

" To the USA Today;

 

If I were you, I would be embarassed at the lack of information in your

recent chemtrail story. I guess I shouldn't expect a fair and balanced story

from the USA Today, that's why I rarely read your newspaper anymore. I

remember when the USA Today first broke onto the scene, it was fresh and

interesting. Now, it is just another item that's good for lining bird cages.

 

Really pathetic story. I think many high school seniors could have done a

better job. You were even too chicken to print a few photos. Maybe you

should do some research concerning the History Channel documentary titled,

" History Undercover Declassified Human Experimentation "

 

I challenge you to do another chemtrail story and in the story, go into

details of the past Government experiments that were covered in this

documentary, as well as some of the experiments not covered by this

documentary. A challenge that I know will go unanswered. "

 

Brent

 

" At least this article will make some people look up. Have you? Think back

about 4 years ago. Were there so many contrails then? Otherwise this article

was like saying " A motorcyclist was killed when a cement truck crossed the

centerline and hit him head-on.The cyclist was not wearing a helmet. "

okieufo

 

" I asked them to just look up. They will see how the sprayers turn on and

off to fill sections of the sky. Ice crystals do not turn on and off. I

reminded them that whatever is in these sprays is being breathed by them and

their families just like everyone else. " bekori

 

" I have seen a perfect " tic-tac-toe " grid above my hometown. This is not

" perfectly natural, " as Minnis says, and while it may be " easily explained

as contrails blown together by the wind " as your " scientists " say, what wind

will form a perfect pattern such as I saw?

 

I have also seen in my skies jets leaving contrails at well below " 30,000 to

40,000 feet " as your expert says. At that altitude a jet is barely a

pinpoint in the sky. Some jets I've witnessed were so low that if I'd had

binoculars I could have made out ID markings.

 

It may well be that many " chemtrails " are natural contrail formations

occuring where they are supposed to, but there are too many anomolies. There

is more to this issue than the " face value " your reporter found. " tompepsi

 

Dear USA Today,

 

" I am insulted by the way your story today regarding anomolous contrails

being witnessed across the country and other nations was presented. The

trails we are asking legitimate questions about are NOT normal. Some of them

are well below 30,000 feet and are formed on days when winds aloft

temperatures make it IMPOSSIBLE for normal contrails to form. I personally

have been in an aircraft at 16,000 feet and seen these trails being laid by

aircraft BELOW my altitude.

 

Your article totally ignored the phenomenon we are questioning and replaced

it with a pat on the head and " contrail 101 " . In addition you use the buzz

word " conspiracy theory " to automatically deflate any serious consideration

of the issue. (Which always amazes me, considering the world has run on

conspiracies for centuries, and now anyone who considers or acknowledges a

conspiracy is a nutcase?)

 

I am very disappointed in the obviously ill-informed position this story has

taken.

 

SOMETHING is going on in the skies above our nation and other countires. It

is NOT normal. It is being done without informed consent and is well within

our rights as citizens to ask and receive answers to our concerns.

 

I would appreciate a reply from the author of this story, and would request

space for rebutal from those of us who will not be brushed off by the

apparent ignorance of the parties mentioned in the piece. We can provide

much evidence which will absolutely refute the points mentioned in your lame

story.

 

If you would like a more accurate description of what thousands of

intelligent, concerned, educated, hardworking Americans are seeing above

their homes, please go to Chemtrails Crimes and Cover Up Documented and the

Club Chemtrail Tracking USA (over 1200 members Nationwide)

 

Rest assured we will also be contacting the individuals mentioned in your

story to correct their misconceptions.

 

Lorie Kramer

 

 

Comment

 

Chemtrails And Contrails - USA Today Rooted In Yesterday

 

By Margareta-Erminia Cassani

www.moonbowmedia.com

3-14-1

 

After reading the USA Today article by Traci Watson (Rense.com) I am

convinced that no one in the mainstream media has a clue nor wants to know

what the real issues concerning the people of the United States are all

about. Ms. Watson's article doles out the usual blather about " normal

contrails " , excuse me 'contails' (well, okay that COULD have been a typo),

that belong to the " normal " times of Yesterday when normal contrails were

all that those " lines in the sky " consisted of. It appears that Ms. Watson

didn't do any real research into any of the real people doing any of the

real research on Chemtrails.

 

Although we may be a disparate and not always agreeing group, the people who

have devoted their time and effort to finding out what the Chemtrail

phenomenon is all about are at least united and dedicated in that cause -

and Ms. Watson doesn't even as much as give credit, or lip service, to the

well- advertised group of us or contact any of us for an interview to really

find out what we might know about the subject she writes about. She did a

few searches on the internet and, voila, she knows all about Chemtrails -

nothing like point and click journalism to form your opinions and inform

your readers.

 

One of these days, the real Chemtrails Cat will be let out of its bag,

screaming, snarling and hissing, with a bite so mean and festering that all

the mainstream media journalists will be kicking themselves in the ass

asking, " Damn! why didn't I get that story? " Too busy looking at normal

'contails' and regurgitating the news of yesterday I reckonÖ.

 

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