Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=47208 The Rumor Mill News Reading Room http://www.rumormillnews.com Re: FROM YOUR MINDCONTROLLERS-WITH NOT MUCH LOVE! PT.2 Posted By: tenavision Saturday, 10 April 2004, 8:54 a.m. In Response FROM YOUR MINDCONTROLLERS-WITH NOT MUCH LOVE! PT.1 (tenavision) Note: The last 2 sentences from part 1 are included here as a connection. In the course of this attempt, a ring around Jupiter was discovered. The existence of the ring was confirmed in early 1979, six years later. The 300-page report of this viewing was sent to a number of scientific institutions, including NASA. P. 134, 135 Some of the results of RV experiments were startling. Between 1975/76,[29] Ingo Swann was asked to remote view Soviet submarines. According to Swann, " all sorts of brass [were] sitting there. Puthoff was on my left, and this two or three star general was on my right. This was one of those ‘big tests' with witnesses, and the room was filled. And so I was doing my remote viewing, and I came across something. I stopped in my tracks. I looked at it and said, ‘Oh my God.' I whispered over Hal's ear and said ‘Hal, I don't know what to do. I think this submarine has shot down a UFO or the UFO fired on her. What shall I do? Puthoff was as pale as anything. He looked at me and whispered, ‘You do what you think you should do. " So I sketched out this picture of a UFO and this brass sitting on my right grabbed it. " ….Three days later Puthoff got a call. The call said, " OK, how much money do you want? " [30] P. 136, 137 The SRI remote viewers were studied by top physicists.[31] Ingo Swann and Uri Geller surprised Nobel laureate Brian Josephson. Both of them managed to deflect the needle on a chart recorder to a degree that Josephson suggested that physics needed to adopt a new paradigm to incorporate hidden variables and universal intelligence. P. 114 In the early 80s, when it was at its peak, the RV program employed seven full-time viewers supported by teams of administrative and analytical personnel. Yet, the US military misled both Congress and the media at the time of these experiments because of growing concern for psychic security. The Pentagon's Advanced Research Project Agency (ARPA) decided to evaluate Geller at SRI in 1972. Their evaluation was negative and Geller was accused of fraud and using magic tricks. However, their evaluation was deliberately flawed. For example, instead of blindfolding Geller, as SRI had always done, he was asked to cover his eyes with his hands. They then accused him of peeking. SRI vehemently criticized ARPA's review and called it a debacle. [32] Three months after ARPA's review, Jeon Jaroff published an article in Time presenting Targ and Puthoff as sloppy researchers and Geller as a fraud. P. 115, 116 Despite a campaign of disinformation by US military and intelligence, the US House of Representatives in June 1981 released a 530-page study[33] based on two years research. It stated: " In the area of national defense, there are obvious implications of one's ability to identify distant sites and affect sensitive instruments. A general recognition of the degree of inter-connectiveness of minds could have far-reaching social and political implications for this nation and the world. " Two years later, another report from the Congressional Research Service echoed the same views. The report was entitled Research into ‘Psi' Phenomena: Current Status and Trends of Congressional Concern. P. 116 In July 1995 the CIA went public and declared its interest in Remote Viewing.[34][35] As a result, much new information became available. At that time, the CIA and US Department of Defense had a 22-year operational track record in RV. The CIA was involved from 1973 to 1977, and the DOD from 1977 to 1995. In 1995, the CIA declassified and released RV documents. P. 127 Electronic Implants Jose Delgado's development of the Stimoceiver in the 1950s brought intelligence agencies' ultimate dream of controlling human behavior one step closer to reality. The Stimoceiver—a miniature electrode capable of receiving and transmitting electronic signals by FM radio—could be placed within an individual's cranium. And once in place, an outside operator could manipulate the subject's responses. Delgado demonstrated the potential of his Stimoceivers by wiring a fully-grown bull. With the device in place, Delgado stepped into the ring with the bull. The animal charged towards the experimenter – and then suddenly stopped, just before it reached him. The powerful beast had been stopped with the simple action of pushing a button on a small box held in Delgado's hand.[36] P. 147 In 1966, Delgado asserted that his experiments[37] " support the distasteful conclusion that motion, emotion and behavior can be directed by electrical forces and that humans can be controlled like robots by push buttons. P. 147 The records on Subproject 94, part of Project MKULTRA, dated 22 November 1961, describe the purpose: " Miniaturized stimulating electrode implants in specific brain center areas will be utilized. The feasibility of remote control of activities in several species of animals has been demonstrated. The present investigations are directed toward improvement of techniques and will provide precise mapping of the useful brain centers. The ultimate objective of this research is to provide an understanding of the mechanisms involved in the directional control of animals and to provide practical systems suitable for (deleted – ‘human'?) application. " P. 149 A file released by the US Army dated 22 August 1975 is a demonstration of how patients were used as guinea pigs for mind control studies. Electrodes were inserted into parts of their brains, ostensibly because it could help to heal them. P. 151 Robert G. Heath, of Tulane University, achieved great notoriety by implanting 125 electrodes in his subjects, in an attempt to ‘cure' homosexuality with ESB (electronic stimulation of the brain). He discovered that he could control his patients by inducing fear, arousal, hallucination, and pleasure.[38] John C. Lilly accomplished similar effects using devices of his own invention during the 1950s. Using ESB, monkeys continually stimulated themselves to orgasm at three-minute intervals for sixteen hours a day.[39] P. 149, 150 Dr. Lilly once reminded the director of the National Institute for Mental Health of an important dilemma: " Dr. Remond has demonstrated that this method of stimulation of the brain can be applied to the human without the help of a neurosurgeon. This means that anyone with the proper apparatus can carry this out on a person covertly, with no external signs that electrodes have been used on that person. If this technique got into the hands of a security agency, they would have control over a human being and be able to change his beliefs extremely quickly, leaving little evidence of what they had done. " [40] P. 151 Hypnosis 1954 was the height of Project ARTICHOKE's attempt to use hypnosis to ‘program' an assassin. The Agency [CIA] had discovered that " a posthypnotic suggestion is believed to remain effective for several months, longer if periodically reinforced. " [41] P. 155, 156 J.G. Watkins[42] " induced a soldier to strike a superior officer by suggesting that the officer was a Japanese soldier. " He obtained from a hypnotized WAC " information classified secret that she had previously told him she would not reveal. " Two subjects who were told to throw sulphuric acid at a laboratory assistant (protected by glass) complied with the hypnotist's commands.[43] P. Janet[44] asked a deeply hypnotized female to commit several murders before a distinguished group of judges, stabbing some victims with rubber daggers and poisoning others with sugar tablets. The hypnotized subject did all these without hesitation. P. 158, 160 Remote hypnosis was also studied. One of the special projects that the CIA has never officially admitted involved the use of a Stimoceiver to induce a hypnotic state. The nasal cavity and the ear were generally used for the implantation. Former FBI agent, Arthur J. Ford, who left the Bureau to become a journalist under the name of Lincoln Lawrence,[45] was the first to reveal this in his 1965 book Were we Controlled? P. 161 According to a CIA source, a subject could also carry out orders for his or her personal destruction. This was usually done at the completion of a mission for which the subject was initially programmed. If the subject becomes a liability, the ‘self-destruction' mechanism could be triggered before completion of the main task. The method would leave behind no clue for enemy investigators. P. 163 Non-lethal Weaponry and Waging War From 1960 to 1965, the American Embassy in Moscow was targeted by a mixture of electromagnetic waves and microwaves causing a wide range of physical and mental illness among personnel serving there, which culminated in the eventual death of the US Ambassador. The waves beamed at the embassy were in the short ‘S' and long ‘L' spectrum and had complex modulations, some of which were random. P. 191, 192 In April 1976, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger sent the following telegram to the US Embassy in Moscow: " Beginning in 1960, the Soviet Union directed high frequency beams of radiation at the US Embassy in Moscow which were calculated not to pick up intelligence, but cause physiological effects on personnel. It has been verified that the effects are not temporary.Definitely tied to such radiation and the UHF/VHF electromagnetic waves are: (A) Cataracts, (B) Heart attacks, © Malignancies, (D) Circulatory problems, and (E) Permanent deterioration of the nervous system. In most cases, the after-effects do not become evident until long after exposure – a decade or more. " P. 189, 191, 192 The former Soviet Union had a long history of psychic manipulation programs using techniques such as psychotronics – the use of radiated energy. At the 1978 SALT peace talks, the Russian President Brezhnev suggested banning weapons " more frightful than the mind of man has ever conceived. " Although no public admission of this was made, the Soviet's research was clearly worrying the US. And there was good reason to be concerned. For example, in 1974, Kaznacheyev believed that he had demonstrated death could be caused by beaming ultraviolet rays from a distance.[46] In the same year, Pavlita, a Czech engineer, showed he could kill insects at distance by using psychotronic devices. Soviet scientists were able to kill goats at ranges beyond one kilometer. " [47] P. 189, 192, 193 Trying to play catch-up, the US Army and Navy embarked on intensive research programs encompassing aspects of electromagnetics, microwaves, radio transmissions, and so on. Most of these programs were highly classified. Some sections which had not been initially classified were reclassified in the late 1970s. Laws were introduced to curtail any inquiries made by the public. University authorities were banned from questioning the members of their own academic fraternity engaged in such programs. Educational values and ethics became irrelevant. The results of some of the experimental programs were shocking.[48] Extensive testing was conducted in the Army, Navy, Air Force, and CIA, either through contractors or in their own laboratories. Contractors provided non-volunteer human testers. Several military contracts involved working in highly dangerous environments. Years later, a flood of court cases brought by unwitting victims once more raised the serious question: does the end justify the means? Several lives were lost, yet no liability has ever been admitted by the establishments or their contractors. The situation remains the same today.[49] P. 195 Since 1961, work by Frey and others has shown that microwave energy is capable of producing tachycardia (speeding of the heartbeat) and bradycardia (slowing of the heartbeat). A 1976 US State Department report suggested it was possible to induce a heart attack in a person from a distance with radar.[50] P. 162, 167 In 1973, Bawin et al.,[51] provided evidence that brain waves can be inhibited or enhanced by low power VHF energy. Animal brainwave patterns went from waking to comatose when Becker placed a magnetic field at the right angle to the brainstem.[52] By 1974, SRI had developed a computer system capable of reading a person's mind by correlating the brain waves of subjects on an electroencephalograph with specific commands.[53] The concept of mind-reading computers is no longer science fiction. Neither is their use by Big Brotherly governments. Major Edward Dames of Psi-Tech said in April 1995 on NBC's The Other Side program: " The US government has an electronic device which could implant thoughts in people. " Dames would not comment any further. P. 167, 170, 172 On 22 April 1993, the main evening news on BBC Television broadcast a story on a new American development – a non lethal weapon. David Shukman, Defense Correspondent, interviewed US Army Colonel John B. Alexander and Janet Morris, two of the main proponents of a concept of disorientating an enemy and rendering them incapable of retaliating without actually causing any obvious physical harm.[54] The main person behind this concept was Col. Alexander. He spent part of his career as a Commander of Green Berets Special Forces in Vietnam, and currently holds the post of Director of Non-lethal Programs at Los Alamos National Laboratories. P. 175, 179 In 1991, Janet Morris issued a number of papers[55] and the US Army published a detailed draft report on ‘Operations Concept for Disabling Measures.' Laboratories were " developing a high power, very low frequency acoustic beam weapon " projecting nonpenetrating, high frequency acoustic bullets. According to one Morris paper, US Special Operations Command already had a portable microwave weapon.[56] " US Special Forces can cook internal organs. " [57] ‘Infrasound' used acoustic beams. Very low frequency (VLF) sound, or low frequency RF modulations can cause nausea, vomiting and abdominal pains. " Some very low frequency sound generators, in certain frequency ranges, can cause the disruption of human organs and, at high power levels, can crumble masonry. " [58] P. 176, 178, 179 That such weapons have been used can be in little doubt. When the deployment of Cruise missiles at American bases in the UK was at its height, women peace campaigners staged a series of highly publicized peaceful protests. In late 1985, the women living in the peace camps at Greenham Common began to experience unusual patterns of illness, ranging from severe headaches, drowsiness, menstrual bleeding after the onset of menopause, to bouts of temporary paralysis and faulty speech coordination. Electronics Today magazine carried out a number of measurements, and in December 1985 published their report which concluded: " Readings taken with a wide range of signal strength meters showed marked increases in the background signal level near one of the women's camps at a time when they claimed to be experiencing ill effects. " They noted that if the women created noise or a disturbance near the fence, the signals rose sharply. P. 201 The evidence suggests that the technology to produce ‘voices in the head' does exist. The Dept. of Defense acquired technology to alter consciousness through various projects and programs. The abstract from one program states: " A system for altering the states of human consciousness involves the simultaneous application of multiple stimuli, preferably sounds, having different frequencies and wave forms. " [59] From another: Researchers have devised a variety of systems for stimulating the brain to exhibit specific brain wave rhythms and thereby alter the state of consciousness of the individual subject.[60] Silent subliminal messages were " used throughout Operation Desert Storm (Iraq) quite successfully. " [61] P. 203, 204 Various types of apparatus have been tested and used to ‘inject' intelligible sounds into the heads of human beings. Sound could also be induced in someone's head by radiating the head with radio waves including microwaves in the range of 100 to 10,000 MHz, that are modulated with particular waveforms. P. 204 The latest development in the technology of induced fear and mind control is the cloning of the human EEG or brain waves of any targeted victim, or indeed groups. With the use of powerful computers, segments of human emotions including anger, anxiety, sadness, fear, embarrassment, jealousy, resentment, shame, and terror, have been identified and isolated within the EEG signals as ‘emotion signature clusters.' Their relevant frequencies and amplitudes have been measured. Then the very frequency amplitude cluster is synthesized and stored on another computer. Each one of these negative emotions is properly and separately tagged. They are then placed on the Silent Sound carrier frequencies and could silently trigger the occurrence of the same basic emotion in another human being. P. 205 The entire non-lethal weapon concept is literally a Pandora's Box of unknown consequences. P. 179 ---------------------- [1] Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Factbook on Intelligence, available at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/index.html. [2] Final Report. Book 1, Foreign and Military Intelligence. Senate Select Committee to Study Government Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, 94th Congress, 2nd Session, 26 April 1976, Special Report No. 94-755 (Better known as the Church Committee Report). Also see Book 1, P. 406 [3] Hunt, L. Secret Agenda. The United States Government, Nazi Scientists, and Project Paperclip, 1945 to 1990. New York: St. Martin's Press [4] Simpson, C. Blowback. The First Full Account of America's Recruitment of Nazis, and the Disastrous Effect on Our Domestic and Foreign Policy. New York: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1988. [5] Human Drug Testing by CIA, p 202. Joint Hearing, Before the Select Committee on Health and Scientific Research of the Committee on Human Resources, US Senate, 95th Congress, 1st Session, 3 August 1977. The administrator was Sydney Gottlieb, head of TSD. [6] Final Report. Book 1, Foreign and Military Intelligence. Senate Select Committee to Study Government Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, 94th Congress, 2nd Session, 26 April 1976, Special Report No. 94-755 (Better known as the Church Committee Report). Also see Book 1, p. 406 [7] Eringer, Robert. Secret Agent Man. Rolling Stone, 1985 [8] Memorandum from ADDP Helms to DCI Dulles, dated 3 April 1953, Tab A, pp. 1-2 [9] Ibid. Church Committee Report, Book 1, p. 402 [10] CIA MORI ID 17748, pp. 1, 4. Report of the Inspection of MKULTRA/TSD, 26 July 1963. Order this and other CIA mind control documents direct from government at www.WantToKnow.info/mindcontrol10pg#ciadocs. [11] Chan MD, Wallace L. Memorandum for the Record: Establishing and substantiating the ‘bona fides' of agent and/or staff personnel through techniques and methods other than interrogation. Undated. [12] Summary Report on CIA Investigation of MKNAOMI, Report Book I, pp. 360-63. Also see Kennedy Subcommittee Hearings on Biological Testing Involving Human Subjects by DOD, 1977 [13] Francis Gary Powers, the U-2 pilot captured by Soviet Union, carried one such toxin concealed in a silver dollar, and did not use it. [14] Church Committee Report, book 1 p. 395, states that one of the three principal functions of the Special Operations Division (SOD) of the US Army Biological Center at Fort Detrick was to conduct " biological research for the CIA. " In early 1952, SOD agreed " to assist CIA in developing, testing, and maintaining biological agents delivery systems. By this agreement, CIA acquired the knowledge, skill, and facilities of the Army to develop biological weapons suited for the CIA's use. " Church Committee Report, Book 1, p. 389. Many of the early CIA LSD tests were conducted at Fort Detrick. [15] USAINTC Letter to ACSI, DA. Staff Study: Material Testing Program EA1279, dated 15 October 1959. (Includes a reference to ACSI-SC letter, 27 July 1959, requesting study.) [16] Mark, V.H., & Ervin, F.R. Violence and the Brain. New York: Harper & Row, 1970 [17] Daly, Prof. Robert - expert in sensory deprivation. A graduate from Dublin University, Rep. Of Ireland. Instructor in psychiatry at the University of North Carolina. Later a lecturer at Edinburgh University before taking post at the University College, Cork, Rep. Of Ireland. [18] Daly, Robert. Psychiatric After-effects of Irish Prisoners Subjected to Ill-Treatment and Torture. New Scientist, 5, August 1976 [19] Puharich, A. The Sacred Mushroom, Garden City, New York: Doubleday, 1959 [20] Among the half dozen senators supporting the program, were Claiborne Pell [D-Rhode Island] and Robert C. Byrd [D-W. Virginia]. In the course of the program, C. Richard D'Amoto, Senator Byrd's staff member, and an intelligence specialist, several times successfully quashed DIA's effort to kill the RV program. [21] A May 1992 Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document, classified Secret/NOFORN, still reflects the US intelligence community fears about psychic research: " Photography and available open source literature concerning the scope and thrust of the Chinese PS [parapsychology] effort. Collection efforts are an attempt to update DIA holdings and plug a 5-10 year intelligence gap in this area. " [22] British newspapers gave a variety of figures. The Sunday Times, Dec.3 1995, quoted the figure $12 million, and Guardian, Sep. 30 1995, quoted a figure of $11 million. [23] Novel Biophysical Information Transfer Mechanist (NBIT), Final Report. Jan. 14, 1975. Records released to author by the CIA. [24] Swann, Ingo. Remote Viewing as One of Sidhis, January 10, 1996, Internet. Also see Rivlin, Robert & Gravelle, Karen. The Expanding World of Human Perception. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1984. [25] Wilhelm, John L. Psychic Spying. Washington Post, Sunday Magazine, Aug. 7, 1977 [26] Mumford Phd, Michael D., Rose, Phd, Andrew M., & Goslin, Phd, David A. An Evaluation of Remote Viewing: Research and Applications. Prepared by the American Institute of Research (AIR), Sep. 29, 1995. Executive Summary; Research Evaluation. After the publication of this report in Jan. 1996, Congress, with the DOD and CIA, halted further funding for psychic research. [27] Perceptual Augmentation Techniques [Classified Secret], Part One – Executive Summary. Final Report Covering the Period Jan. 74 through Feb. 75, H.E. Puthoff, and Russell Targ. Electronics and Bioengineering Laboratory, SRI Project 3183. Approved by Earle Jones, Director, Electronics and Bioengineering Lab., Bonner Cox, Executive Director, Information Science and engineering Division. Records released by the CIA, 1995 [28] Swann, Ingo. The 1973 Remote Viewing Probe of the Planet Jupiter. Internet. December 12, 1995. Ms. Beverly Humphrey, a research associate and statistical analyst, SRI Radio Physics Lab., prepared a formal report on behalf of Puthoff and Targ. The report was 300 pages long, and was widely distributed. Also, see Puthoff, H.E. and Targ, Russell. Mind Reach. Delacorate Press/Eleanor/Friede, New York, 1977 [29] Russel Targ confirmed that some RV work was done on the Soviets' submarines, but the result was never fed back to them due to the classified nature of the relevant program. Telephone conversation with Targ, April 23, 1996. [30] Swann, Ingo. Interview on " Dreamland " transcribed Organization (sic; literal transcription): University of Wisconsin, Dec. 12, 1996 [31] McRae, Ronald M. Mind Wars, New York: St. Martin Press, 1984, p. 78-79, and Brian Josephson speaking on the BBC World Service radio program " The Unexplained, May 5, 1987. [32] McRae, Ronald M. Mind Wars, New York: St. Martin Press, 1984, p. 82, 84 [33] US House of Representatives, June 1981, Survey of Science and Technology Issues Present and Future, 530-pages [34] While in letters of July 22 and November 27, 1992, the CIA had previously denied the author having any documents on this subject, it has now admitted to possessing over one hundred thousand pages of records. [35] Copies of these documents were sent to me in Aug. 1995 [36] Film footage in author's archive. [37] Kreech, David. Controlling the Mind Controllers. THINK 32, July/August 1966 [38] Scheflin, A.W., & Opten, Edward M. Mind Manipulators. New York: Paddington Press, 1978 pp. 332, 337 [39] Lilly, p.90 [40] Lilly, p. 91 [41] Hypnosis in Intelligence - Technical Report (Confidential – CIA), October 1966. [42] Fisher, S. An Investigation of Alleged Conditioning Phenomena Under Hypnosis. Journal of Clinical Experimental Hypnosis, 1955, 3, pp. 71-103 [43] Rowland, L.W., Will Hypnotized Persons Try to Harm Themselves or Others? Journal of Abnormal Social Psychology, 1939, 34, pp. 114-117 [44] Janet, P. Psychological Healing; A Historical and Clinical Study, London: George Allen and Unwin, 1925 [45] Lawrence's real name was given to me by more than one source as Arthur J. Ford. [46] Kaznacheyev, V.P., et al. Apparent Information Transfer Between Two Groups of Cells, Psychoenergetic System, Vol.1, Dec. 1974, and Distant Intercellular Interactions in a System of Two Issue Cultures, Psychoenergetic System, Vol. 1, no. 3, March 1976. John Alexander, the founding father of the non-lethal weapon concept, also has a keen interest in this subject. Several of his on the record conversations with various American researchers, examining the possibilities of inducing illness form a distance, are in my archives. [47] Personal correspondence with an American biophysicist who participated in an exchange program at the University of Prague in 1979. See details in The New Mental Battlefield. Military Review, English Edition. December 1980 [48] The Naval Aerospace Medical Research Laboratory in Pensacola, Florida, in the course of their tests carried out in Project SANGUINE, in Clam Lake, discovered that exposure to the magnetic field component in the SANGUINE antenna – within an ELF field of 45 to 74 Hz.- produced stress identical to that induced by gross alcohol consumption: Records released by the US Navy on Project SANGUINE to the author. See also Becker, Robert. Cross Currents. Jeremy P. Tarcher, Inc., Los Angeles, p. 202 [49] Victorian, Armen. The Killing of Robert Strom. Open Eye,No. 3, 1995. The Strom story was covered by CBS News Sixty Minutes, Strom vs. Boeing, produced by David Aummel, March 5, 1989 [50] Microwave US-USSR, Vol VI, July-Dec. 1976 p. 4, Office of Security, US Dept. of State. [51] Bawin, S.M., Gavlas-Medici, R.J., & Adey, W.R. Effects of Modulated VHF Fields on Specific Brain Rhythms in Cats. Brain Research, Vol.58, 1973, pp. 365-384 [52] Telephone conversation with the author, May 1992 [53] Mind Reading Computer. Time, July 1, 1974, p. 67. See also Rorvik, David M. As Man Becomes Machine. London: Sphere Books, 1979 [54] Letter dated April 2, 1993, to author from Mrs. Victoria Alexander [55] The USGSC has issued a wide variety of papers on the nonlethal weapons concept. For example, In Search of Nonlethal Strategy,by Janet Morris; Nonlethality: A Global Strategy- White Paper; Nonlethality Briefing Supplement No. 1; and nonlethality in the Operational Continuum. [56] Taped conversation with Janet Morris, March 1, 1993 [57] Wall Street Journal, Jan. 4, 1993. [58] Morris, Janet. In Search of a Non-lethal Strategy. USGCS, p. 14. [59] Method and System for Altering Consciousness, Patent 5,289,438, US Patent Office, Feb. 22, 1994. [60] Method and System for Altering Consciousness, Patent 5,123,899, US Patent Office, June 23 1992 [61] Letter from Edward Tilton, Dec. 13, 1996 Password: Messages In This Thread FROM YOUR MINDCONTROLLERS-WITH NOT MUCH LOVE! PT.1 (views: 161) tenavision -- Saturday, 10 April 2004, 8:32 a.m. Re: FROM YOUR MINDCONTROLLERS-WITH NOT MUCH LOVE! PT.2 (views: 53) tenavision -- Saturday, 10 April 2004, 8:54 a.m. [ View Thread ] [ Return to Index ] [ Read Prev Msg ] [ Read Next Msg ] The Rumor Mill News Reading Room http://www.rumormillnews.com is maintained by Forum Admin with WebBBS 5.12. ---------- ---- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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