Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Hi everyone, I had just blocked this email list (too lazy to go to !) when I read the last bunch of emails- and I've decided to stay on. Can I suggest that when people reply, they delete all the old stuff? The threads are messy because of the old posts... Anyhow, I appreciate the discussions pro-natural remedies- I spend a lot of time (and mental energy) trying to defend them against the arrogant and the ignorant. I understand the MD's desire for evidence-based medicine, and I understand why there is not so much money out there to investigate the herbs. Besides, study after study of almost anything shifts the evidence one way or another- you know the cliche- it used to be a good proven drug or diet for this or that but a new study contradicts that info. So even good studies don't always provide the rock solid proof MD's crave. Very good point that the generations of herbal users are proof- MD's make the mistake of all or nothing- they say, there's not Randomized Controllled Trial that proves it- so there's no proof, they assume. But, for example with chinese herbal medicine, there has been clinical use for more than 2000 years, and the first systematic academic text on the subject was written in 200 A.D. The recent review that claimed that herbs are not effective for menopause is a great example of making bad interpretations out of previous studies- and of studying herbs outside of their traditional context. First, some of the chinese herbs that were studied alone - they are never prescribed that way, but in formulas to moderate the effects of each herb - should not have been expected to show good results for menopause. That's not how we treat it. Second, many great herbs and herb formulas for menopause have not been studied- so the jury is still out in terms of the formal investigations. But generations of clinical success and investigation have shown that they do work. It's funny, really- the implication of what they're saying is that people would use ineffective remedies for thousands of years. They think these other cultures are stupid! Really, since placebo is only 30% effective, if herbs only worked one-third of the time, these traditional people would have to be stupid to think of them as cures for one thing or another. So that's the arrogance of those opposed to alternative medicine. The ignorance of the opposition is obvious in their lumping all alternative therapies together. Whether a treatment was invented last year by one person, or is the collective wisdom of thousands of years and tens or hundreds of thousands of doctors makes no difference to the ignorant. Nor do they educate themselves about what has and has not been studied or proven by science. That's my two cents. Thanks for the recent discussions on this topic. Brian Carter Brian Benjamin CarterColumnist, Acupuncture TodayEditor, The Pulse of Oriental Medicine The #1 Layperson's Guide to since 1999... 3 Years, 8 Experts, 100+ Articles,25,000+ readers.... *** The Pulse of Oriental Medicine ***"Alternative Medicine You Can Understand."http://www.pulsemed.org/ Our free e-zine BEING WELL keepsyou up to date with the latest greatestnew articles on the Pulse website. SIGN UP now. Send a blank email to:beingwellnewsletter- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 You know, you can change your email settings to only deliver daily or weekly digests…I change my settings probably on a daily basis. Sometimes I feel like reading/replying via email. Sometimes I’d rather just go to the site…or sometimes I’m too busy to keep answering the little message asking whether or not I want to read new mail, lol. I also think keeping AT LEAST the message you are replying to on the page. Sometimes we reply silly or not so silly answers to only a particular post…nobody else would know what we are talking about, lol. For instance: I sent a hershey’s kiss to somebody’s message yesterday asking if they could have a kiss, lol. If I did not include the original message, everybody woulda thought I lost my mind!! I am glad you enjoyed the current thread. I’m enjoying it myself. While the allopath in me thinks the hospitals/doctors are necessary for emergent or life threatening problems, I also, on the flip side, think we need to take responsibility for our heath, and that would entail becoming educated about remedies mother nature has provided. I think you should take the time to go ahead and visit and change your email settings. This site is a valuable resource and it’d be a shame to miss out on more interesting threads and hot topics. (I’ll delete most of the original message here, lol) Kim Brian Carter [bbcarter] Sunday, December 08, 2002 3:39 PM herbal remedies Re: [herbal remedies] Digest Number 1760 Hi everyone, I had just blocked this email list (too lazy to go to !) when I read the last bunch of emails- and I've decided to stay on. Can I suggest that when people reply, they delete all the old stuff? The threads are messy because of the old posts... Anyhow, I appreciate the discussions pro-natural Remedies… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Not to mention the face that if the help TOO many people ACTUALLY get healthy, they would be out of business. Because that's what health care is to them, a business. If it were something more, they would honestly seek out a better way to help their patients. Let's face it. At any given time, about 70% to 80% of the American population is on a prescribed medicine of some kind. Would you call that healthy or successful? -Shelby Brian Carter [bbcarter]Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:39 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Digest Number 1760 Hi everyone, I had just blocked this email list (too lazy to go to !) when I read the last bunch of emails- and I've decided to stay on. Can I suggest that when people reply, they delete all the old stuff? The threads are messy because of the old posts... Anyhow, I appreciate the discussions pro-natural remedies- I spend a lot of time (and mental energy) trying to defend them against the arrogant and the ignorant. I understand the MD's desire for evidence-based medicine, and I understand why there is not so much money out there to investigate the herbs. Besides, study after study of almost anything shifts the evidence one way or another- you know the cliche- it used to be a good proven drug or diet for this or that but a new study contradicts that info. So even good studies don't always provide the rock solid proof MD's crave. Very good point that the generations of herbal users are proof- MD's make the mistake of all or nothing- they say, there's not Randomized Controllled Trial that proves it- so there's no proof, they assume. But, for example with chinese herbal medicine, there has been clinical use for more than 2000 years, and the first systematic academic text on the subject was written in 200 A.D. The recent review that claimed that herbs are not effective for menopause is a great example of making bad interpretations out of previous studies- and of studying herbs outside of their traditional context. First, some of the chinese herbs that were studied alone - they are never prescribed that way, but in formulas to moderate the effects of each herb - should not have been expected to show good results for menopause. That's not how we treat it. Second, many great herbs and herb formulas for menopause have not been studied- so the jury is still out in terms of the formal investigations. But generations of clinical success and investigation have shown that they do work. It's funny, really- the implication of what they're saying is that people would use ineffective remedies for thousands of years. They think these other cultures are stupid! Really, since placebo is only 30% effective, if herbs only worked one-third of the time, these traditional people would have to be stupid to think of them as cures for one thing or another. So that's the arrogance of those opposed to alternative medicine. The ignorance of the opposition is obvious in their lumping all alternative therapies together. Whether a treatment was invented last year by one person, or is the collective wisdom of thousands of years and tens or hundreds of thousands of doctors makes no difference to the ignorant. Nor do they educate themselves about what has and has not been studied or proven by science. That's my two cents. Thanks for the recent discussions on this topic. Brian Carter Brian Benjamin CarterColumnist, Acupuncture TodayEditor, The Pulse of Oriental Medicine The #1 Layperson's Guide to since 1999... 3 Years, 8 Experts, 100+ Articles,25,000+ readers.... *** The Pulse of Oriental Medicine ***"Alternative Medicine You Can Understand."http://www.pulsemed.org/ Our free e-zine BEING WELL keepsyou up to date with the latest greatestnew articles on the Pulse website. SIGN UP now. Send a blank email to:beingwellnewsletter-Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Conspiracy Theories and Flu Shots I'm glad someone else said it so I know I'm not crazy. Suppose one day someone decides to eliminate all blue eyed people? Or Irish descent or Black? How does anyone know what the hell is being injected into them? Suppose it has a five year life and then explodes in your system and presto you got cancer or AIDS? Suppose the General Chief of Staff goes nuts and says OK, this year we're going to try out a new vaccine to see if we can make people blind or cure cancer or whatever? Thanks, I'll take my chances with the flu. Yes, I know how it sounds. Georgia Only rant you forgot is MY pet peeve: they are pushing this damn vaccine on the pregnant and the elderly! If I were into conspiracy theories..... Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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