You can't force a child to try new things

[Guest guest]

Hi Kristal,

 

Thanks for your input. It is so true about getting a child to try new

things, and not being able to force one to try something they absolutely

refuse to take. My youngest has that problem the most. The oldest which is

the one with the " ADD/ADHD symptoms " will try things if you find a way to

make it pleasant tasting etc.

 

She knows she has problems, being so far behind her peers in school, she

realizes it excruciatingly, but she's very outgoing & does have friends, (I

wish she had some aversion to noise, as she is LOUD, but then I can't blame

that completely on her, since I am loud myself, but tend to control it more.

She does get over sensitive if the screaming is in a harsh way though.), and

she does interact well with others, thank goodness.

 

Right now she is faced with going to a different school, with a more

extensive special education program that helps kids in 3rd-5th grades that

are behind their class (she is 2 years behind). But being aware is helping

her cope too, and I try to talk to her as much as possible, and make her

understand that anything I do is to benefit her. She has very caring &

understanding teachers (which is wonderful). And on our visit to the new

school (which is at least in the same district) I found it to be very

wonderful, and the ones in charge very understanding & caring.

 

She is taking meds now, but I am still looking into nutritional info, &

natural rememdies to boost the immune & brain powers naturally, and hope to

incorporate it somehow. I've already told her she needs to consume more

veggies, raw & cooked, & more fruits. She seems to understand.

 

Especially, since she is also aware of the weight problems she is prone to

from my ex's side of the family the most, she's taking after her aunt on his

side, who at 12-15, looked like a full grown woman, big bonned, you can

imagine, plus I've had weight problems, which I'm doing exercises for after

having lost quite a bit. My sister's children, have " ADD/ADHD symptoms " as

well, my oldest niece (I won't even go there, she has mental problems coming

from HER fathers side of the family!) My sister is beside herself, and her

health is way out control as well due to my eldest nieces actions. ****BIG

SIGH**** Besides, that's another story.

 

Anyway, slowly but surely, we will get her up to date & more able to

concentrate.

 

Here I've gone & rambled again..

 

Will Talk again soon I'm sure.

 

Cheers, Dixie

 

 

 

Firstly, thanks heaps Lauren for that ADD/HD posting.......as I live

in Australia and unable to visit the Handle Inst., I have sent an

email off to them requesting more info. On the subject of

sensitivities, my son's sensitivity is sound, he hates loud sounds,

or at least what he deciphers as loud. As to your above comment about

school....my 11yo has had a terrible time all through his school

years and seems to be getting worse the older he gets, the other kids

alienate him because he IS different to them, in the way he thinks

and acts, so unfortunately he is a loner at school, and he never gets

invited to socialise with the other kids outside of school, luckily

this year he has a teacher who tries a little to help him, whereas in

the past the other teachers tended to either ignore him or punish

him. Yes I have tried several different approaches to his problems.I

had taken him off medication for 18mnths and tried diet change,

aromatherapy and herbal remedies, all with no real improvements, so I

have resorted to putting him back on meds at a lower dosage and

incorporating the herbals etc., which is also a problem as my son

refuses to try new things, and hates taking different

foods/herbs........as it is I crush his meds up with baccopa moniera

and mix into his yoghurt daily, the omega oils are a real hassle to

get down and quite often refused and thrown out, I try to get

pleasant tasting liquids where ever possible! You cannot force foods

and liquids into a child who simply refuses to even try.

Just wanted to add my lot to this topic.

Kristal

[Guest guest]

I used to be an assistant in a special education class and I have learned this. Special Education is neither special nor education. Are you sure you can't home school or something, that would be so much more help to her.

 

 

Laine Regina Thornton [dixiethorn] Sunday, December 01, 2002 1:26 PMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] Re: You can't force a child to try new thingsHi Kristal,Thanks for your input. It is so true about getting a child to try newthings, and not being able to force one to try something they absolutelyrefuse to take. My youngest has that problem the most. The oldest which isthe one with the "ADD/ADHD symptoms" will try things if you find a way tomake it pleasant tasting etc.She knows she has problems, being so far behind her peers in school, sherealizes it excruciatingly, but she's very outgoing & does have friends, (Iwish she had some aversion to noise, as she is LOUD, but then I can't blamethat completely on her, since I am loud myself, but tend to control it more.She does get over sensitive if the screaming is in a harsh way though.), andshe does interact well with others, thank goodness.Right now she is faced with going to a different school, with a moreextensive special education program that helps kids in 3rd-5th grades thatare behind their class (she is 2 years behind). But being aware is helpingher cope too, and I try to talk to her as much as possible, and make herunderstand that anything I do is to benefit her. She has very caring & understanding teachers (which is wonderful). And on our visit to the newschool (which is at least in the same district) I found it to be verywonderful, and the ones in charge very understanding & caring.She is taking meds now, but I am still looking into nutritional info, & natural rememdies to boost the immune & brain powers naturally, and hope toincorporate it somehow. I've already told her she needs to consume moreveggies, raw & cooked, & more fruits. She seems to understand.Especially, since she is also aware of the weight problems she is prone tofrom my ex's side of the family the most, she's taking after her aunt on hisside, who at 12-15, looked like a full grown woman, big bonned, you canimagine, plus I've had weight problems, which I'm doing exercises for afterhaving lost quite a bit. My sister's children, have "ADD/ADHD symptoms" aswell, my oldest niece (I won't even go there, she has mental problems comingfrom HER fathers side of the family!) My sister is beside herself, and herhealth is way out control as well due to my eldest nieces actions. ****BIGSIGH**** Besides, that's another story.Anyway, slowly but surely, we will get her up to date & more able toconcentrate.Here I've gone & rambled again..Will Talk again soon I'm sure.Cheers, DixieFirstly, thanks heaps Lauren for that ADD/HD posting.......as I livein Australia and unable to visit the Handle Inst., I have sent anemail off to them requesting more info. On the subject ofsensitivities, my son's sensitivity is sound, he hates loud sounds,or at least what he deciphers as loud. As to your above comment aboutschool....my 11yo has had a terrible time all through his schoolyears and seems to be getting worse the older he gets, the other kidsalienate him because he IS different to them, in the way he thinksand acts, so unfortunately he is a loner at school, and he never getsinvited to socialise with the other kids outside of school, luckilythis year he has a teacher who tries a little to help him, whereas inthe past the other teachers tended to either ignore him or punishhim. Yes I have tried several different approaches to his problems.Ihad taken him off medication for 18mnths and tried diet change,aromatherapy and herbal remedies, all with no real improvements, so Ihave resorted to putting him back on meds at a lower dosage andincorporating the herbals etc., which is also a problem as my sonrefuses to try new things, and hates taking differentfoods/herbs........as it is I crush his meds up with baccopa monieraand mix into his yoghurt daily, the omega oils are a real hassle toget down and quite often refused and thrown out, I try to getpleasant tasting liquids where ever possible! You cannot force foodsand liquids into a child who simply refuses to even try.Just wanted to add my lot to this topic.KristalFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Lauren, not everyone can home school. I have on and off with my boys. Right now, they want to go, so I make an effort to MAKE it special and educational for them so they continue to be happy.

 

Janet

 

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Lauren Bastow

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Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:32 PM

RE: [herbal remedies] Re: You can't force a child to try new things

 

I used to be an assistant in a special education class and I have learned this. Special Education is neither special nor education. Are you sure you can't home school or something, that would be so much more help to her.

 

 

Laine Regina Thornton [dixiethorn] Sunday, December 01, 2002 1:26 PMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] Re: You can't force a child to try new thingsHi Kristal,Thanks for your input. It is so true about getting a child to try newthings, and not being able to force one to try something they absolutelyrefuse to take. My youngest has that problem the most. The oldest which isthe one with the "ADD/ADHD symptoms" will try things if you find a way tomake it pleasant tasting etc.She knows she has problems, being so far behind her peers in school, sherealizes it excruciatingly, but she's very outgoing & does have friends, (Iwish she had some aversion to noise, as she is LOUD, but then I can't blamethat completely on her, since I am loud myself, but tend to control it more.She does get over sensitive if the screaming is in a harsh way though.), andshe does interact well with others, thank goodness.Right now she is faced with going to a different school, with a moreextensive special education program that helps kids in 3rd-5th grades thatare behind their class (she is 2 years behind). But being aware is helpingher cope too, and I try to talk to her as much as possible, and make herunderstand that anything I do is to benefit her. She has very caring & understanding teachers (which is wonderful). And on our visit to the newschool (which is at least in the same district) I found it to be verywonderful, and the ones in charge very understanding & caring.She is taking meds now, but I am still looking into nutritional info, & natural rememdies to boost the immune & brain powers naturally, and hope toincorporate it somehow. I've already told her she needs to consume moreveggies, raw & cooked, & more fruits. She seems to understand.Especially, since she is also aware of the weight problems she is prone tofrom my ex's side of the family the most, she's taking after her aunt on hisside, who at 12-15, looked like a full grown woman, big bonned, you canimagine, plus I've had weight problems, which I'm doing exercises for afterhaving lost quite a bit. My sister's children, have "ADD/ADHD symptoms" aswell, my oldest niece (I won't even go there, she has mental problems comingfrom HER fathers side of the family!) My sister is beside herself, and herhealth is way out control as well due to my eldest nieces actions. ****BIGSIGH**** Besides, that's another story.Anyway, slowly but surely, we will get her up to date & more able toconcentrate.Here I've gone & rambled again..Will Talk again soon I'm sure.Cheers, DixieFirstly, thanks heaps Lauren for that ADD/HD posting.......as I livein Australia and unable to visit the Handle Inst., I have sent anemail off to them requesting more info. On the subject ofsensitivities, my son's sensitivity is sound, he hates loud sounds,or at least what he deciphers as loud. As to your above comment aboutschool....my 11yo has had a terrible time all through his schoolyears and seems to be getting worse the older he gets, the other kidsalienate him because he IS different to them, in the way he thinksand acts, so unfortunately he is a loner at school, and he never getsinvited to socialise with the other kids outside of school, luckilythis year he has a teacher who tries a little to help him, whereas inthe past the other teachers tended to either ignore him or punishhim. Yes I have tried several different approaches to his problems.Ihad taken him off medication for 18mnths and tried diet change,aromatherapy and herbal remedies, all with no real improvements, so Ihave resorted to putting him back on meds at a lower dosage andincorporating the herbals etc., which is also a problem as my sonrefuses to try new things, and hates taking differentfoods/herbs........as it is I crush his meds up with baccopa monieraand mix into his yoghurt daily, the omega oils are a real hassle toget down and quite often refused and thrown out, I try to getpleasant tasting liquids where ever possible! You cannot force foodsand liquids into a child who simply refuses to even try.Just wanted to add my lot to this topic.KristalFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

I am so glad you give them a choice. Sometimes knowing that you don't HAVE to be there can make it bearable. I didn't get home schooled all my life either. I went to public school because I wanted to. I was to young then to know what a dump it was but my mom always gave me the choice.

 

 

Dragonhealer [dragonhealing] Monday, December 02, 2002 12:13 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: You can't force a child to try new things

Lauren, not everyone can home school. I have on and off with my boys. Right now, they want to go, so I make an effort to MAKE it special and educational for them so they continue to be happy.

 

Janet

 

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Lauren Bastow

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Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:32 PM

RE: [herbal remedies] Re: You can't force a child to try new things

 

I used to be an assistant in a special education class and I have learned this. Special Education is neither special nor education. Are you sure you can't home school or something, that would be so much more help to her.

 

 

Laine Regina Thornton [dixiethorn] Sunday, December 01, 2002 1:26 PMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] Re: You can't force a child to try new thingsHi Kristal,Thanks for your input. It is so true about getting a child to try newthings, and not being able to force one to try something they absolutelyrefuse to take. My youngest has that problem the most. The oldest which isthe one with the "ADD/ADHD symptoms" will try things if you find a way tomake it pleasant tasting etc.She knows she has problems, being so far behind her peers in school, sherealizes it excruciatingly, but she's very outgoing & does have friends, (Iwish she had some aversion to noise, as she is LOUD, but then I can't blamethat completely on her, since I am loud myself, but tend to control it more.She does get over sensitive if the screaming is in a harsh way though.), andshe does interact well with others, thank goodness.Right now she is faced with going to a different school, with a moreextensive special education program that helps kids in 3rd-5th grades thatare behind their class (she is 2 years behind). But being aware is helpingher cope too, and I try to talk to her as much as possible, and make herunderstand that anything I do is to benefit her. She has very caring & understanding teachers (which is wonderful). And on our visit to the newschool (which is at least in the same district) I found it to be verywonderful, and the ones in charge very understanding & caring.She is taking meds now, but I am still looking into nutritional info, & natural rememdies to boost the immune & brain powers naturally, and hope toincorporate it somehow. I've already told her she needs to consume moreveggies, raw & cooked, & more fruits. She seems to understand.Especially, since she is also aware of the weight problems she is prone tofrom my ex's side of the family the most, she's taking after her aunt on hisside, who at 12-15, looked like a full grown woman, big bonned, you canimagine, plus I've had weight problems, which I'm doing exercises for afterhaving lost quite a bit. My sister's children, have "ADD/ADHD symptoms" aswell, my oldest niece (I won't even go there, she has mental problems comingfrom HER fathers side of the family!) My sister is beside herself, and herhealth is way out control as well due to my eldest nieces actions. ****BIGSIGH**** Besides, that's another story.Anyway, slowly but surely, we will get her up to date & more able toconcentrate.Here I've gone & rambled again..Will Talk again soon I'm sure.Cheers, DixieFirstly, thanks heaps Lauren for that ADD/HD posting.......as I livein Australia and unable to visit the Handle Inst., I have sent anemail off to them requesting more info. On the subject ofsensitivities, my son's sensitivity is sound, he hates loud sounds,or at least what he deciphers as loud. As to your above comment aboutschool....my 11yo has had a terrible time all through his schoolyears and seems to be getting worse the older he gets, the other kidsalienate him because he IS different to them, in the way he thinksand acts, so unfortunately he is a loner at school, and he never getsinvited to socialise with the other kids outside of school, luckilythis year he has a teacher who tries a little to help him, whereas inthe past the other teachers tended to either ignore him or punishhim. Yes I have tried several different approaches to his problems.Ihad taken him off medication for 18mnths and tried diet change,aromatherapy and herbal remedies, all with no real improvements, so Ihave resorted to putting him back on meds at a lower dosage andincorporating the herbals etc., which is also a problem as my sonrefuses to try new things, and hates taking differentfoods/herbs........as it is I crush his meds up with baccopa monieraand mix into his yoghurt daily, the omega oils are a real hassle toget down and quite often refused and thrown out, I try to getpleasant tasting liquids where ever possible! You cannot force foodsand liquids into a child who simply refuses to even try.Just wanted to add my lot to this topic.KristalFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Greetings Dixie,

Just to let you know that I had contacted the Handle Inst., and today

received a reply from them, apologising that they cannot help me as

they do not have a branch here in Australia, but have kept my info

for future ref in case they can 'set up shop' here.

I have been having a terrible time with my son over past few days, as

he now refuses to even take his meds in his yoghurt.....today I also

got a phone call from his teacher saying that he has not done any

schoolwork for past three days and is starting to disrupt the

classroom, she said it is such a shame as he could achieved great

things if he just applied himself to the tasks as he is quite smart

really.........I have now reached the stage of threatening to force

the meds down his throat if he will not take them of his own

accord........its all getting worse and I no longer know how to cope

with it, I just loose my temper too easily instead as I just dont

know how to get through to his logic! Sorry, as you can see i am

tired and frustrated.

Cheers, Kristal

[Guest guest]

Kristal....You need to give Doc Shillington a call . He can help you with

your child.

 

 

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> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kristal, I know how frustrating it can be. Just the small changes I have made since joining this list of wonderful people has helped my boys tremedously. So hang in there, we're here for you.

 

(((HUGS))) Janet

 

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Kristal

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Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:53 AM

[herbal remedies] Re: You can't force a child to try new things

Greetings Dixie,Just to let you know that I had contacted the Handle Inst., and today received a reply from them, apologising that they cannot help me as they do not have a branch here in Australia, but have kept my info for future ref in case they can 'set up shop' here.I have been having a terrible time with my son over past few days, as he now refuses to even take his meds in his yoghurt.....today I also got a phone call from his teacher saying that he has not done any schoolwork for past three days and is starting to disrupt the classroom, she said it is such a shame as he could achieved great things if he just applied himself to the tasks as he is quite smart really.........I have now reached the stage of threatening to force the meds down his throat if he will not take them of his own accord........its all getting worse and I no longer know how to cope with it, I just loose my temper too easily instead as I just dont know how to get through to his logic! Sorry, as you can see i am tired and frustrated.Cheers, Kristal :(Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Oh Kristal, what a situation. I feel for you.

 

From experience, and you'd probably agree, the more you will try to force the meds, the more your son will rebel, the more stressed out you get, the more stressed out your son gets, the bigger the fights, ad infinitum. The spiral just keeps going down. The way to halt that is to just leave it alone for a bit. Both of you have a cooling off period. For a week, just try to leave him be. Let him decide what he wants to do, or not do (of course within reason lol). And give him some time to come to rest. Who knows what he's being told at school, or how he's being treated there. Sounds like he's definitely rebelling someone somewhere. And it sounds like coming from the school. And it sounds like you yourself are also becoming the effect of those people - trying to tell you how you must control your son!

 

Kids spend a lot of time being controlled to do things (or not do things) and don't actually have a lot to say in the matter. It's not a very nice position to be in. And sometimes they just rebel that, and need some time to cool off, being given the chance to decide something (anything) for themselves, and to come to terms with their life. Just like you and me when we get stressed out with life.

 

Will he talk with you? If he will, try find out the WHO behind all his stress. And if you can, have a talk to a good friend yourself, and find out the WHO behind your stress. Because it always is a WHO you know! A definite someone who's either invalidating you, making you feel less about yourself that what you really are, always making you feel you're not doing it right, or something like that. For your son this may mean someone is constantly telling him how bad/naughty he is, how he's so smart if only ...., etc., instead of really having an (adult) conversation with him to discover what the trouble really is. And really LISTEN to him while doing so.

 

Meanwhile, try make some time for yourself, and do something you really, really enjoy doing. And allow your son to do the same. You can then face eachother from a more cheerful disposition afterwards, which makes a heck of a lot easier to be together!

 

all the best

 

Lisa

 

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Kristal

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Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:53 PM

[herbal remedies] Re: You can't force a child to try new things

Greetings Dixie,Just to let you know that I had contacted the Handle Inst., and today received a reply from them, apologising that they cannot help me as they do not have a branch here in Australia, but have kept my info for future ref in case they can 'set up shop' here.I have been having a terrible time with my son over past few days, as he now refuses to even take his meds in his yoghurt.....today I also got a phone call from his teacher saying that he has not done any schoolwork for past three days and is starting to disrupt the classroom, she said it is such a shame as he could achieved great things if he just applied himself to the tasks as he is quite smart really.........I have now reached the stage of threatening to force the meds down his throat if he will not take them of his own accord........its all getting worse and I no longer know how to cope with it, I just loose my temper too easily instead as I just dont know how to get through to his logic! Sorry, as you can see i am tired and frustrated.Cheers, Kristal :(Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

" Lisa Belcher " <lisabelcher@t...> wrote:

> Oh Kristal, what a situation. I feel for you.<

 

Thank you Lisa for you advice and understanding.......all makes good

sense....is really time for 'time-out'....sorry I did not reply

earlier, I have just gotten to my groups emails tonight after a

week's break from it......I have been rather overwhelmed with life of

late that I sometimes just want to 'opt-out' for a while so that is

reason for staying away from the emails sometimes.

Thanks again for help.

Chow

Kristal

[Guest guest]

Hi Kristal,

 

thanks. I totally understand the "opt-out". I have the same at times.

 

Let me know if you need more help, or just someone to talk to :-)

 

Lisa

 

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Kristal <kraditia

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Monday, December 16, 2002 1:24 PM

[herbal remedies] Re: You can't force a child to try new things

"Lisa Belcher" <lisabelcher@t...> wrote:> Oh Kristal, what a situation. I feel for you.<Thank you Lisa for you advice and understanding.......all makes good sense....is really time for 'time-out'....sorry I did not reply earlier, I have just gotten to my groups emails tonight after a week's break from it......I have been rather overwhelmed with life of late that I sometimes just want to 'opt-out' for a while so that is reason for staying away from the emails sometimes.Thanks again for help.ChowKristal :)Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington