Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 While I do not have the brain injury classified as add or adhd, I was brain injured from a vaccine with similar symptoms. Throughout my childhood & and adulthood I would MUCH rather have been helped to fix my brain injury once and for all, rather than simply accepted as "damaged goods" or "patted on the head" and allowed to remain in a state that would hamper the rest of my life as well as my efforts to raise my children with the structure & consistency that every child needs. Tell me, when you were a child with add, what would have been your choice? Would you choose to have the guidance to fix the actual problem & never again have to take your meds so you wouldn't "freak out", or would you rather be coddled & cushioned from the realities of your problems until you were forced to deal with them as an adult with no real ability to cope? As for accepting your children, What makes you think you can't do both? I have a brain injured 2 1/2 year old. He has great difficulty with comprehension & speech. Should I just tell him "It's ok that you can't talk. You don't really need other people to understand what you are trying to say", or do I do my job as a parent & prepare him to function as a competent adult? I give my children plenty of hugs, kisses, playtime etc. I also help them develop their potential to become fulfilled, competent, intelligent, healthy, happy adults to the best of my ability. That includes eliminating a brain injury that would hamper their chances of success. I apologize if I seem overly blunt. I just wanted to voice an opposing point of view from a person that has also lived with a "freak out" condition. -Shelby Professional Mother to Scooby 30mo & Cappy 10mo annettekaye casady [my4yellowroses]Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:20 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: ADD/ADHD lauren wow you guys are sharing a hole bunch of mis conceptions that you are regaurding as gospil, your kids need acceptance. running around a room is not sitting in a chair is, get it together ladys, your favorite color is and the color of your eyes are. fact about add/ adhd. accept your child as is. you are not helping self with you could or should, i have a daughter thet is so lazy i could boot her in the rear and one tornado that is creative and busy. the deal is these are the rules consequences and benifits. adhd for 35 years now and the biggest gift you can give your kid is accetance and let them accept them selves. finely at 30 with me accepting my family has also accepted me and it's so much better not to be in that box of sitting in the chair. you need to accept what your child is good at and focus yourself not your child. i am not able to hold down a full time job and be productive in the little box. others do it very well not me i have 3 extreemly different and unique part time jobs. very educated and not capable of sitting in the accounting chair. i sit raise dogs and raise kids. who on earth decided that you learn math at a desk. not so i learned math on my back with my feet in the chair and i know math as well as any other. just as you want your kids to grow and learn they need to love themselves. let them be them. so they learn english or anger management different that another the point is learning it. as with all lessens in life the lesson is the point. wrap your arms around your child with a hug and when they wiggle give a tickle not a scoul. rules consequences and benifits. acceptance. Lisa Belcher <lisabelcher wrote: I don't agree with you that ADD and ADHD is caused by brain injury. There's been no indication of that whatsoever, as far as I know. As change of diet has been the most successful in handling this condition, I think that's a fairly good indication that diet has been the problem: the additives in food, artificial colours and flavourings, hormones, antibiotics, etc. added to foods. A full organic diet, using sprouting where needed, should handle all symptoms. See articles on file for full details on these. Lisa - Lauren Bastow herbal remedies Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:33 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: ADD/ADHD Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier, I just got out of the extreme nausea of the 1st trimester of pregnancy. I didn't really eat on a regular basis because of the nausea but I'm feeling better now. ADD and ADHD are caused by a brain injury and it works as such. A child that had tactile disorders such as clothing hurting them and chemical sensitivity. What happens is for normal people when we run our skin along say a blanket it feels like a blanket. To a brain injured child this feels like a cheese grater on their skin. This clearly hurts them so they avoid sensational contact items touching their skin. However the need for input is great and the absence of this stimulation causes certain neural pathways to either not develop or half way develop. These pathways are used later for learning but if they are never developed there are difficulties learning. In younger kids, the need for sensation is still there so this is how they satisfy them. You will see in "ADD" kids them slapping their hands on their desks, getting up and running around and doing other things that are "disruptive" in a prison school environment. They are trying to get the stimulation they need and sitting there listening to a person talk to them doesn't qualify as stimulation. This leads to a spiral of effects. They are usually medicated and that just sedates them. So they go on with life in this psychotropic trance and after they get out of school they are so dependant on the drug that they can't function without it. Now they are too old to correct the problem with any sort of real effects. Think of it this way. If you have a wire and you run a little electoral current through it and the wire is not intact, you will have little luck getting the current through the wire. However if you put a large current through the wire, you will at least get some of the electricity through to the other end. This is the same thing that happens when neural pathways are not intact. This is also why the kids with these problems smack their hands and heads around. They are searching for this stimulation. There is help available. There are 2 institutes that I know of that have a non-medical approach to this problem, they believe that through physical therapy we can rebuild those neural pathways for complete recovery. They are located on the web at www.ihap.org and www.handle.org and both get amazing results. They are a little different from each other but people can look and decide for themselves. They both believe that the brain and it's neuropath ways are like a muscle. If you want strong muscles, you work them out, right? Well if you want a strong and healthy brain you work it out. What these people do is teach parents how to better and more efficiently work out the brain. My little boy is brain injured and his injuries are as follows: He has inner ear malfunction which makes it hard for him to use the equilibrium in there. When he lays down to go to sleep at night it feels like he is drunk and dizzy. He has overridden the nerves that tell him that he is dizzy but that means that they are not there and that will cause problems later in life. It even causes some now. He is 16 months old and can not walk or even stand up on his own. As it is, we had to teach him through patterning and physical therapy how to roll over, sit up, scoot on his belly (homolatterly) and crawl. We are in the process of fixing this and they expect that it will take at least a year. He also has tactile issues. We are using gentle stimulation to get him over that. He was a extremely colic baby for about 5 months. So when he was very little he would say (in baby language) "mama, I hurt, please hold me" and when I tried to hold him, his clothing and mine hurt him as well so he was in pain all the time. As a result he went crazy and was afraid to move. This was also in part to the whole can't tell where his body is in space issue (dizziness). He has overridden those pain sensors but again we are working to rebuild them. We are already seeing progress and we have only been on the handle program for about a month. We can wash his face now and he doesn't scream in pain, he can walk with us holding only 1 hand. Well I hope this helps, and sorry about the length Ostrowski [Odesign1] Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:23 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: ADD/ADHD Lauren...You need to talk to the Doc when he returns which should be about a week.There are underlying causes for the symptoms which are called ADD/ADHD Disorder. There really is no such disorder and your childs symptoms can be handled. Mary Ostrowski - Lauren Bastow herbal remedies Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:00 AM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: ADD/ADHD www.handle.org Laine Regina Thornton [dixiethorn] Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:52 PMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] Re: ADD/ADHDHi,I'm a new member, and I love this group it's the most informative around.I'm looking for info on ADD/ADHD. It's a family thing, and my daughter hasit, borderline, but I'm hoping to find a natural way to do this. After 4years I've finally had to give in & let some form of med's be d butif there is a better way alternatively, I'd be very interested.Thank You,Cheers N HealthDixieThornFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 Hear, Hear, Shelby. I have a 4 1/2 year old son with Down's Syndrome. I love him so much, that I couldn't possibly sit back and do nothing. That doesn't mean that I do not accept him. I want him to have the best, and so I help him any way I can to improve. But he is absolutely overloaded with kisses and hugs, believe you me LOL. He is the most gorgeous boy that ever existed! Lisa - Shelby Blakely herbal remedies Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:27 PM RE: [herbal remedies] ADD/ADHD lauren While I do not have the brain injury classified as add or adhd, I was brain injured from a vaccine with similar symptoms. Throughout my childhood & and adulthood I would MUCH rather have been helped to fix my brain injury once and for all, rather than simply accepted as "damaged goods" or "patted on the head" and allowed to remain in a state that would hamper the rest of my life as well as my efforts to raise my children with the structure & consistency that every child needs. Tell me, when you were a child with add, what would have been your choice? Would you choose to have the guidance to fix the actual problem & never again have to take your meds so you wouldn't "freak out", or would you rather be coddled & cushioned from the realities of your problems until you were forced to deal with them as an adult with no real ability to cope? As for accepting your children, What makes you think you can't do both? I have a brain injured 2 1/2 year old. He has great difficulty with comprehension & speech. Should I just tell him "It's ok that you can't talk. You don't really need other people to understand what you are trying to say", or do I do my job as a parent & prepare him to function as a competent adult? I give my children plenty of hugs, kisses, playtime etc. I also help them develop their potential to become fulfilled, competent, intelligent, healthy, happy adults to the best of my ability. That includes eliminating a brain injury that would hamper their chances of success. I apologize if I seem overly blunt. I just wanted to voice an opposing point of view from a person that has also lived with a "freak out" condition. -Shelby Professional Mother to Scooby 30mo & Cappy 10mo annettekaye casady [my4yellowroses]Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:20 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: ADD/ADHD lauren wow you guys are sharing a hole bunch of mis conceptions that you are regaurding as gospil, your kids need acceptance. running around a room is not sitting in a chair is, get it together ladys, your favorite color is and the color of your eyes are. fact about add/ adhd. accept your child as is. you are not helping self with you could or should, i have a daughter thet is so lazy i could boot her in the rear and one tornado that is creative and busy. the deal is these are the rules consequences and benifits. adhd for 35 years now and the biggest gift you can give your kid is accetance and let them accept them selves. finely at 30 with me accepting my family has also accepted me and it's so much better not to be in that box of sitting in the chair. you need to accept what your child is good at and focus yourself not your child. i am not able to hold down a full time job and be productive in the little box. others do it very well not me i have 3 extreemly different and unique part time jobs. very educated and not capable of sitting in the accounting chair. i sit raise dogs and raise kids. who on earth decided that you learn math at a desk. not so i learned math on my back with my feet in the chair and i know math as well as any other. just as you want your kids to grow and learn they need to love themselves. let them be them. so they learn english or anger management different that another the point is learning it. as with all lessens in life the lesson is the point. wrap your arms around your child with a hug and when they wiggle give a tickle not a scoul. rules consequences and benifits. acceptance. Lisa Belcher <lisabelcher wrote: I don't agree with you that ADD and ADHD is caused by brain injury. There's been no indication of that whatsoever, as far as I know. As change of diet has been the most successful in handling this condition, I think that's a fairly good indication that diet has been the problem: the additives in food, artificial colours and flavourings, hormones, antibiotics, etc. added to foods. A full organic diet, using sprouting where needed, should handle all symptoms. See articles on file for full details on these. Lisa - Lauren Bastow herbal remedies Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:33 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: ADD/ADHD Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier, I just got out of the extreme nausea of the 1st trimester of pregnancy. I didn't really eat on a regular basis because of the nausea but I'm feeling better now. ADD and ADHD are caused by a brain injury and it works as such. A child that had tactile disorders such as clothing hurting them and chemical sensitivity. What happens is for normal people when we run our skin along say a blanket it feels like a blanket. To a brain injured child this feels like a cheese grater on their skin. This clearly hurts them so they avoid sensational contact items touching their skin. However the need for input is great and the absence of this stimulation causes certain neural pathways to either not develop or half way develop. These pathways are used later for learning but if they are never developed there are difficulties learning. In younger kids, the need for sensation is still there so this is how they satisfy them. You will see in "ADD" kids them slapping their hands on their desks, getting up and running around and doing other things that are "disruptive" in a prison school environment. They are trying to get the stimulation they need and sitting there listening to a person talk to them doesn't qualify as stimulation. This leads to a spiral of effects. They are usually medicated and that just sedates them. So they go on with life in this psychotropic trance and after they get out of school they are so dependant on the drug that they can't function without it. Now they are too old to correct the problem with any sort of real effects. Think of it this way. If you have a wire and you run a little electoral current through it and the wire is not intact, you will have little luck getting the current through the wire. However if you put a large current through the wire, you will at least get some of the electricity through to the other end. This is the same thing that happens when neural pathways are not intact. This is also why the kids with these problems smack their hands and heads around. They are searching for this stimulation. There is help available. There are 2 institutes that I know of that have a non-medical approach to this problem, they believe that through physical therapy we can rebuild those neural pathways for complete recovery. They are located on the web at www.ihap.org and www.handle.org and both get amazing results. They are a little different from each other but people can look and decide for themselves. They both believe that the brain and it's neuropath ways are like a muscle. If you want strong muscles, you work them out, right? Well if you want a strong and healthy brain you work it out. What these people do is teach parents how to better and more efficiently work out the brain. My little boy is brain injured and his injuries are as follows: He has inner ear malfunction which makes it hard for him to use the equilibrium in there. When he lays down to go to sleep at night it feels like he is drunk and dizzy. He has overridden the nerves that tell him that he is dizzy but that means that they are not there and that will cause problems later in life. It even causes some now. He is 16 months old and can not walk or even stand up on his own. As it is, we had to teach him through patterning and physical therapy how to roll over, sit up, scoot on his belly (homolatterly) and crawl. We are in the process of fixing this and they expect that it will take at least a year. He also has tactile issues. We are using gentle stimulation to get him over that. He was a extremely colic baby for about 5 months. So when he was very little he would say (in baby language) "mama, I hurt, please hold me" and when I tried to hold him, his clothing and mine hurt him as well so he was in pain all the time. As a result he went crazy and was afraid to move. This was also in part to the whole can't tell where his body is in space issue (dizziness). He has overridden those pain sensors but again we are working to rebuild them. We are already seeing progress and we have only been on the handle program for about a month. We can wash his face now and he doesn't scream in pain, he can walk with us holding only 1 hand. Well I hope this helps, and sorry about the length Ostrowski [Odesign1] Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:23 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: ADD/ADHD Lauren...You need to talk to the Doc when he returns which should be about a week.There are underlying causes for the symptoms which are called ADD/ADHD Disorder. There really is no such disorder and your childs symptoms can be handled. Mary Ostrowski - Lauren Bastow herbal remedies Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:00 AM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: ADD/ADHD www.handle.org Laine Regina Thornton [dixiethorn] Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:52 PMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] Re: ADD/ADHDHi,I'm a new member, and I love this group it's the most informative around.I'm looking for info on ADD/ADHD. It's a family thing, and my daughter hasit, borderline, but I'm hoping to find a natural way to do this. After 4years I've finally had to give in & let some form of med's be d butif there is a better way alternatively, I'd be very interested.Thank You,Cheers N HealthDixieThornFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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