Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Excellent article!!! Thank you very much! Gina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 GREAT ARTICLE DOC!!!!! Suzi "Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington wrote: Dead Meat The Meat of the Problem U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley videos from Greatest Hits CD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Amen. I have recently gone vegetarian except in the rare case when I need some for iron intake. Then I eat it sparingly. It's a good balance in my opinion. Suzanne Nottmeier [suziesgoats] Friday, November 08, 2002 9:19 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Dead Meat GREAT ARTICLE DOC!!!!! Suzi "Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington wrote: Dead Meat The Meat of the Problem U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Well said. Bravo! Melinda (who had certified organic raw goat's milk yogurt, pineapple, homegrown organic (frozen this summer) strawberries, soy milk, certified organic homemade pea sprouts, and Green Magma for breakfast this morning -- and is skipping!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Thanks hon. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Suzanne Nottmeier herbal remedies Friday, November 08, 2002 10:18 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Dead Meat GREAT ARTICLE DOC!!!!! Suzi "Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington wrote: Dead Meat The Meat of the Problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Thanks Lauren. By the way, one of the best sources for organic iron is the Panther Piss Formula. ;o) Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Lauren Bastow herbal remedies Friday, November 08, 2002 10:46 AM RE: [herbal remedies] Dead Meat Amen. I have recently gone vegetarian except in the rare case when I need some for iron intake. Then I eat it sparingly. It's a good balance in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Good for you kiddo. But watch that Soy milk. Most soy is GMO, and even much of the organic is contaminated. I'm staying away from ALL Soy until this industry cleans up its act. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Melinda herbal remedies Friday, November 08, 2002 12:06 PM [herbal remedies] Re: Dead Meat Well said. Bravo!Melinda (who had certified organic raw goat's milk yogurt, pineapple, homegrown organic (frozen this summer) strawberries, soy milk, certified organic homemade pea sprouts, and Green Magma for breakfast this morning -- and is skipping!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Hi. On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 09:46:42AM -0800, Lauren Bastow wrote: > Amen. I have recently gone vegetarian except in the rare case when I > need some for iron intake. Then I eat it sparingly. It's a good balance > in my opinion. In my own personal opinion you would never need to eat dead animals to get your necessary iron. What does anyone else think? Persian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Excellent article...thanks for posting it. About 12 years ago I went all veggie. Since then I've allowed myself some chicken and seafood. Things like this really make me wonder why. Basically though, I eat a veggie diet. It's very hard work encorporating a vegetarian diet in this society..but it's getting easier with more and more becoming educated. Plus my daughter is pretty much a carnivore. You should see her when we go out to eat!! She always orders steak...rare...and eats like she's never eaten before, lol. My parents act like it's child abuse not keeping meat in the house. The poor dear never gets to eat right. Every so often I'll have a dinner at my house...at the end of the meal, after everybody has congratulated me for preparing such a wonderful dinner, I'll announce that it was all vegetarian. The look on their faces is priceless! (and they all thought you couldn't be satisfied without meat in the menu, lol) Thanks again. Kim herbal remedies, " Dr. Ian Shillington " <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote: > Dead Meat > > The Meat of the Problem > > > Think about it. > > > > The natural diet for a cow is grass. Grass is alive, full of live enzymes which all help to produce a healthy cow. Old time country farmers used water and natural manure from their chickens, cows and rabbits as fertilizer. The grass did not have chemical fertilizers sprayed on it. > > > > You hear the words " Natural Grain Fed Beef " . Well, what does this mean? It means that the cow was fed a dry, dead grain with enzyme inhibitors rather than a fresh, live grass. Then what happens to the animal? Right! It gets sick! > > > > And then what does the meat industry do to solve this problem? You got it! They give an antibiotic which leaves residues in the meat of the animal. > > > > Why not just feed the animal its natural diet? Well then you won't have an animal that weights as much and brings as much profit at the time of slaughter. To increase the weight further, the animals are given steroids and hormones which means you are not only eating antibiotics, but now you are also consuming steroids and hormones when you have a meal of beef, chicken, pork, farm raised fish or dairy products. So, many people are on a " money motivated, health destroying, merry-go-round " . > > > > For the last 30+ years the amount of Hormones, Antibiotics, and Steroids which have been used to produce bigger and fatter animals has been on the increase every year, so that today, these meat products are not only ineffective for our nutritional needs, but are actually creating many physical diseases. > > > > Perverted meat is THE " Reason WHY " most American children are starting to go through puberty at the ages of 7, 8, and 9 instead of the normal 12 through 15. It is the cause of many " teenage " difficulties and is the origin of PMS, and the problems women are having with Menopause. Altered meat is the reason why so many men are coming down with prostate problems. It answers the question why an increasing number of men and women are unable to have children. The weight and obesity problems of Americans are a direct result of the hormones used in the meat industry. > > > > If you want to get off this " money motivated, health destroying, merry-go-round " you need to do a few things you may not have yet done. First of all pull up the website for eatwild.com and get even more educated. This site will explain how the natural omega 3 and omega 6 in beef changes to the opposite of what the human body needs when an animal is fed grain. Very interesting data! Look for other sites and get educated on the subject. > > > > About 35 years ago, the FDA passed rules and regulations for what did, or did not qualify as certified organic. At that time, they actually created these Rules to suppress a young growing organic foods movement. But to our great good fortune, their intention backfired and nowadays, the only saving grace in the entire American food chain are those two words. Certified Organic! All else is suspect and should be investigated before purchased. > > > > So the next thing I can recommend to you in starting back on the road to physical health is to research where you can obtain Certified Organic meat and eat and feed your family only meats that do not have hormones, steroids and antibiotics. Watch out for labels such as " All Natural " or " Range Free " as these names can be a cover up and the meat may still contain antibiotics, hormones and steroids. Did you know that you can take beef, irradiate it, and still call it " All Natural " ??? Do you know that you can feed a chicken antibiotics, steroids, and hormones, but because it lives in a barnyard outside, it can be called " Range Free " ??? This is ridiculous! > > > > I recently heard an interesting statistic that in the year 1900 20% of the people over the age of 40 had degenerative diseases. Today that figure has risen to over 70%. What has changed since the 1900's? > > > > This suppressive treatment of our meats is causing an incredible number of troubles in children, so that Psychiatrists are having a hay day inventing all kinds of new mental diseases every year, justifying the drugging of our kids with Ritalin®, Concerta®, Adderall®, Prozac®, and a multitude of other extremely destructive, mind altering drugs. Some of these outrageous drugs are being given to our 4 and 5 year olds for Gawds sake. The youth of America are well on the way to being destroyed, and yet a media controlled by these vested interest groups directs our attention on terrorism and violence only. > > > > This is beyond criminal, and I actually compare the size of this evil act to the holocaust in Germany in the 1930's and 40's. Why? Because over a million people a year are dying with heart problems and a thousand other wasting diseases. Because one isn't killed instantly with these practices, they are actually allowed to continue and even encouraged by such as the pharmaceutical companies, medical doctors and especially the psychiatrists. After all, this does create more business and money for them, doesn't it? > > > > Here are some places you can get data to do your own research on this. I strongly suggest you check these things out for yourself. > > > > herbal remedies/ > > http://www.eatwild.com/ > > http://www.homesteadhealthyfoods.com/ > > http://www.holisticmanagement.org/ > > > > Buy only ocean caught fish. Eat less meat and consider other protein sources, such as sprouted almonds, and my Total Nutrition Formula. Support only those meat industries that go the extra mile to produce certified organic products, and this includes eggs, milk, cheese, yogurt, as well as the pork, chicken and beef you eat. The time to make this change is NOW, before you and your family end up as - dead meat. > > > > Yours in health and love, > > Ian 'Doc' Shillington N.D. > > Phone: 505-772-5889 > > 2002 by Ian Shillington. All rights reserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 No...that is correct, but in order to get your daily allowance for iron you really need to be educated on vegetarian diets. Many people think that being veggie is eating salads all the time, lol. One point to make here is that the human digestive system is not made for eating meat. We are actually vegetarian by nature. Our teeth are blunt not sharp (like a cat or dog). Our intestines are too long for digesting meat. This is a big reason why there is so much incidence of colon ca in our society. Meat basically gets into our system and rots because it takes too long to get...errrmmm...out. In a good veggie diet...iron is not hard to come by...brocoli, beans, sesame seeds, tofu, peanut butter, beets, leafy greens, whole grains...all contain enormous amounts of iron. I think you made a good point of not needing to eat 'dead animals' in order to get enough iron...but I think a little education goes a long way. Kim > > In my own personal opinion you would never need to eat > dead animals to get your necessary iron. > > What does anyone else think? > > Persian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 This is true. There are vegetable sources that are loaded full of iron. The Panther Piss Remedy is loaded full of it. Spinach, Chard, and Kale are also excellent sources as long as they're organic. ) Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Persian herbal remedies Friday, November 08, 2002 5:20 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Dead Meat In my own personal opinion you would never need to eat dead animals to get your necessary iron.What does anyone else think?Persian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 You're very welcome Kim. Most Americans eat way too much meat regardless of the hormones, antibiotics, and steroids. This is one of those instances where a little bit goes a long way, and even organic meats should be eaten with some moderation. As an interesting tidbit, Dr. Bernard Jensen researched the five longest lived peoples on earth to discover they were all meat eaters (mostly goat), but that they ate it in moderation. He lived with the King of Hunzaland for 6 months as his private guest and despite what Veggans say about the Hunzas (everyone likes to point to the Hunzas to prove their health points ;o), they are meat eaters. As I said in an earlier post, most likely the "BASIC" food group for humans is sprouted grains (a secondary group would be Sprouted Seeds, Sprouted Nuts, and Sprouted Beans), but I beat no drum for pure vegetarianism. With some people it works, with others it doesn't. Over the millenia we have evolved as a species and eating meats has given us a longevity that we may not have had otherwise. One can not throw away Dr. Jensen's work because of a hobby horse on being Veggan or because of some aversion to killing animals. When you see the arguments posted on "Meat Eater" versus "Pure Vegetarians", almost always the debate seems to rage around "Proteins" and their subsequent amino acids. A secondary debate seems to be centered around the castigation of Cholesterol. It appears that the cholesterol in animal fats is necessary to keep us young and elastic, but erroneously, cholesterol has a bad name at this time. When one approaches this from the viewpoint of "controlling" one's cholesterol, I think we hit closer to the mark. Those who get no cholesterol in their diet age very quickly. Those who get too much cholesterol in their diet get plugged up arteries and veins. Those who get too much cholesterol and protein from meats that are loaded full of hormones, steroids, and antibiotics really go to the devil quickly, and are the prime candidates for the medical doctor. There are many, many viewpoints on the above and it is very difficult to say that one of them is totally right or totally wrong. Many times, I think it is completely up to the individual who is listening to his body's basic needs, which can be different person to person. Yes, there are certain basics that apply to all of us such as the data I posted in my "Dead Meat" article. This data is proven one for one. But, some people can eat more meat when others should eat very little. This is where getting in tune with our own bodies comes into play. Then there's the "moral" subject of "killing" animals. One can get pretty wrapped up in opposites here as well. On one side you have the "How could you hurt that cute, little fuzzy wuzzy...", and on the other side you have the "Man that venison stew tasted delicious..." etc, etc. Welllllllllll, I'm not gonna get tooooo involved with this one other than to offer my own very personal opinion with this little story. As many of you know, I live on a ranch in the middle of no where, in the middle of New Mexico, and a couple of years ago, I was teaching my son Bryan to shoot. He was 12 at the time and very impressionable. As we were practising on the back 40, a cotton tail rabbit broke cover very suddenly about 20 feet away from us, ran 10 feet and stopped under a bush in the shade thinking himself now quite invisible. My son, who had the rifle, immediately upped with his gun while saying, "he's mine". I told him quietly to hold on a minute. He paused, and then I told him, "If you shoot it, you have to clean it, dress it, and eat it. That's my rule for killing any animal unless that animal is threatening your survival such as a charging mountain lion or bear." You could see (and hear) the wheels turning inside his head and he paused for at least another 15 seconds before he slowly raised the rifle, pulled the trigger and killed the rabbit cleanly. It was a very solemn moment. This was not some TV crazed kid who watched shoot'em up movies all day long. It was my son who I had raised to respect life and other life forms. He went over and picked up the body of the rabbit, brought it back to the barn, cleaned it, dressed it, and that night we had it for dinner. During the slaughtering (harsh word with harsher connotations), he gagged a couple of times and I thought that maybe he might not see it through, but he did without saying anything. After dinner, I asked him how he felt about it all. I was a little concerned as the last thing I wanted to have to confront was discovering that he "enjoyed" it, or got a "kick" out of it. There was no need for me to worry as he told me, "Dad, it wasn't easy. I had to decide that it was contributing to our survival, and I could see that it did, if only in a small way. I learned many lessons today Dad with just that one shot. I'll never take for granted what I eat the next time Mom serves chicken or fish or even spinach as all of our food was alive once". He grew up that day. Since then he's had to dress other rabbits, turkeys, chickens, and even one goat, and each time, with great respect, he personally thanked the animal eye to eye for contributing to our survival before pulling that trigger. As is obvious, I'm proud of him and his level of responsibility regardless of what others might think. As I said earlier, a moral debate could rage for eons on this subject, and my own personal opinion on it, is that for us to survive, something has to die whether it be vegetable, fruit or animal. Life feeds on life one way or another. My opinion is that if I'm going to eat it, I should be willing to take those actions necessary to put it on the table which includes the killing when animals are concerned. That's just my viewpoint and I ask no one else to agree with me on this. I didn't set it up this way. I don't even necessarily agree with it, and I certainly don't enjoy it. Right or wrong (maybe neither of those concepts are appropriate here), it's just the way it is. But, whatever you decide is right for you, and whatever you decide to eat, make sure it is one hundred percent organic. That much I'm sure is absolutely right for all of us. Much love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - sirona71 herbal remedies Friday, November 08, 2002 5:22 PM [herbal remedies] Re: Dead Meat Excellent article...thanks for posting it. About 12 years ago I went all veggie. Since then I've allowed myself some chicken and seafood. Things like this really make me wonder why. Basically though, I eat a veggie diet. It's very hard work encorporating a vegetarian diet in this society..but it's getting easier with more and more becoming educated. Plus my daughter is pretty much a carnivore. You should see her when we go out to eat!! She always orders steak...rare...and eats like she's never eaten before, lol. My parents act like it's child abuse not keeping meat in the house. The poor dear never gets to eat right. Every so often I'll have a dinner at my house...at the end of the meal, after everybody has congratulated me for preparing such a wonderful dinner, I'll announce that it was all vegetarian. The look on their faces is priceless! (and they all thought you couldn't be satisfied without meat in the menu, lol)Thanks again.Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Hi Doc, What an incredible story about your son! As a city girl, my experience is somewhat different. As kids we had pet-chickens once. They'd grown big and my dad was going to kill them for dinner. I couldn't watch - I was horrified and hiding inside the house. That evening the chicken was served; my mum was carving the chicken with me looking on (still horrified). I saw a tiny speck of blood and screamed out about it. I just couldn't eat that chicken. Since then, I haven't been able to eat anything except fillets - as long as it doesn't look like an animal! I can't even watch anyone eat a (raw) steak - yuck. And I can't watch anything like a whole chicken being prepared for dinner, let alone eat it afterwards. But.. this is just my personal experience. Like you said, it's very much up to the individual and what their bodies need and want. love, Lisa - Dr. Ian Shillington herbal remedies Saturday, November 09, 2002 8:15 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Dead Meat You're very welcome Kim. Most Americans eat way too much meat regardless of the hormones, antibiotics, and steroids. This is one of those instances where a little bit goes a long way, and even organic meats should be eaten with some moderation. As an interesting tidbit, Dr. Bernard Jensen researched the five longest lived peoples on earth to discover they were all meat eaters (mostly goat), but that they ate it in moderation. He lived with the King of Hunzaland for 6 months as his private guest and despite what Veggans say about the Hunzas (everyone likes to point to the Hunzas to prove their health points ;o), they are meat eaters. As I said in an earlier post, most likely the "BASIC" food group for humans is sprouted grains (a secondary group would be Sprouted Seeds, Sprouted Nuts, and Sprouted Beans), but I beat no drum for pure vegetarianism. With some people it works, with others it doesn't. Over the millenia we have evolved as a species and eating meats has given us a longevity that we may not have had otherwise. One can not throw away Dr. Jensen's work because of a hobby horse on being Veggan or because of some aversion to killing animals. When you see the arguments posted on "Meat Eater" versus "Pure Vegetarians", almost always the debate seems to rage around "Proteins" and their subsequent amino acids. A secondary debate seems to be centered around the castigation of Cholesterol. It appears that the cholesterol in animal fats is necessary to keep us young and elastic, but erroneously, cholesterol has a bad name at this time. When one approaches this from the viewpoint of "controlling" one's cholesterol, I think we hit closer to the mark. Those who get no cholesterol in their diet age very quickly. Those who get too much cholesterol in their diet get plugged up arteries and veins. Those who get too much cholesterol and protein from meats that are loaded full of hormones, steroids, and antibiotics really go to the devil quickly, and are the prime candidates for the medical doctor. There are many, many viewpoints on the above and it is very difficult to say that one of them is totally right or totally wrong. Many times, I think it is completely up to the individual who is listening to his body's basic needs, which can be different person to person. Yes, there are certain basics that apply to all of us such as the data I posted in my "Dead Meat" article. This data is proven one for one. But, some people can eat more meat when others should eat very little. This is where getting in tune with our own bodies comes into play. Then there's the "moral" subject of "killing" animals. One can get pretty wrapped up in opposites here as well. On one side you have the "How could you hurt that cute, little fuzzy wuzzy...", and on the other side you have the "Man that venison stew tasted delicious..." etc, etc. Welllllllllll, I'm not gonna get tooooo involved with this one other than to offer my own very personal opinion with this little story. As many of you know, I live on a ranch in the middle of no where, in the middle of New Mexico, and a couple of years ago, I was teaching my son Bryan to shoot. He was 12 at the time and very impressionable. As we were practising on the back 40, a cotton tail rabbit broke cover very suddenly about 20 feet away from us, ran 10 feet and stopped under a bush in the shade thinking himself now quite invisible. My son, who had the rifle, immediately upped with his gun while saying, "he's mine". I told him quietly to hold on a minute. He paused, and then I told him, "If you shoot it, you have to clean it, dress it, and eat it. That's my rule for killing any animal unless that animal is threatening your survival such as a charging mountain lion or bear." You could see (and hear) the wheels turning inside his head and he paused for at least another 15 seconds before he slowly raised the rifle, pulled the trigger and killed the rabbit cleanly. It was a very solemn moment. This was not some TV crazed kid who watched shoot'em up movies all day long. It was my son who I had raised to respect life and other life forms. He went over and picked up the body of the rabbit, brought it back to the barn, cleaned it, dressed it, and that night we had it for dinner. During the slaughtering (harsh word with harsher connotations), he gagged a couple of times and I thought that maybe he might not see it through, but he did without saying anything. After dinner, I asked him how he felt about it all. I was a little concerned as the last thing I wanted to have to confront was discovering that he "enjoyed" it, or got a "kick" out of it. There was no need for me to worry as he told me, "Dad, it wasn't easy. I had to decide that it was contributing to our survival, and I could see that it did, if only in a small way. I learned many lessons today Dad with just that one shot. I'll never take for granted what I eat the next time Mom serves chicken or fish or even spinach as all of our food was alive once". He grew up that day. Since then he's had to dress other rabbits, turkeys, chickens, and even one goat, and each time, with great respect, he personally thanked the animal eye to eye for contributing to our survival before pulling that trigger. As is obvious, I'm proud of him and his level of responsibility regardless of what others might think. As I said earlier, a moral debate could rage for eons on this subject, and my own personal opinion on it, is that for us to survive, something has to die whether it be vegetable, fruit or animal. Life feeds on life one way or another. My opinion is that if I'm going to eat it, I should be willing to take those actions necessary to put it on the table which includes the killing when animals are concerned. That's just my viewpoint and I ask no one else to agree with me on this. I didn't set it up this way. I don't even necessarily agree with it, and I certainly don't enjoy it. Right or wrong (maybe neither of those concepts are appropriate here), it's just the way it is. But, whatever you decide is right for you, and whatever you decide to eat, make sure it is one hundred percent organic. That much I'm sure is absolutely right for all of us. Much love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - sirona71 herbal remedies Friday, November 08, 2002 5:22 PM [herbal remedies] Re: Dead Meat Excellent article...thanks for posting it. About 12 years ago I went all veggie. Since then I've allowed myself some chicken and seafood. Things like this really make me wonder why. Basically though, I eat a veggie diet. It's very hard work encorporating a vegetarian diet in this society..but it's getting easier with more and more becoming educated. Plus my daughter is pretty much a carnivore. You should see her when we go out to eat!! She always orders steak...rare...and eats like she's never eaten before, lol. My parents act like it's child abuse not keeping meat in the house. The poor dear never gets to eat right. Every so often I'll have a dinner at my house...at the end of the meal, after everybody has congratulated me for preparing such a wonderful dinner, I'll announce that it was all vegetarian. The look on their faces is priceless! (and they all thought you couldn't be satisfied without meat in the menu, lol)Thanks again.KimFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Thanks for the kudos Kim. I too eat mostly organic vegetarian, but that little bit of organic meat keeps me young looking and supple ;o) Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - sirona71 herbal remedies Friday, November 08, 2002 5:22 PM [herbal remedies] Re: Dead Meat Excellent article...thanks for posting it. About 12 years ago I went all veggie. Since then I've allowed myself some chicken and seafood. Things like this really make me wonder why. Basically though, I eat a veggie diet. It's very hard work encorporating a vegetarian diet in this society..but it's getting easier with more and more becoming educated. Plus my daughter is pretty much a carnivore. You should see her when we go out to eat!! She always orders steak...rare...and eats like she's never eaten before, lol. My parents act like it's child abuse not keeping meat in the house. The poor dear never gets to eat right. Every so often I'll have a dinner at my house...at the end of the meal, after everybody has congratulated me for preparing such a wonderful dinner, I'll announce that it was all vegetarian. The look on their faces is priceless! (and they all thought you couldn't be satisfied without meat in the menu, lol)Thanks again.Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Ohhhhhh, I know what you mean Lisa. It's not easy. And the last thing you want to do is give 'names' to animals you are planning on using as a meat source. It just doesn't work, at least not in our family. No doubt about it, it is a lesson in "confront". For me it fostered a tremendous respect for the animal kingdom, and the lesson of never taking food for granted. Nothing in our family is wasted. Ever. Love, Doc PS. Our ranch is also a haven for strays and wounded critters. Our oldest hen (named Chirp) hasn't laid an egg in over two years, but we hand raised her from a baby chick and she's still the queen of the barnyard and gives us a lot of pleasure. ;o) Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Lisa Belcher herbal remedies Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:58 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Dead Meat Hi Doc, What an incredible story about your son! As a city girl, my experience is somewhat different. As kids we had pet-chickens once. They'd grown big and my dad was going to kill them for dinner. I couldn't watch - I was horrified and hiding inside the house. That evening the chicken was served; my mum was carving the chicken with me looking on (still horrified). I saw a tiny speck of blood and screamed out about it. I just couldn't eat that chicken. Since then, I haven't been able to eat anything except fillets - as long as it doesn't look like an animal! I can't even watch anyone eat a (raw) steak - yuck. And I can't watch anything like a whole chicken being prepared for dinner, let alone eat it afterwards. But.. this is just my personal experience. Like you said, it's very much up to the individual and what their bodies need and want. love, Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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