??Assistance following surgery?????

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Well, I am feeling really bad for a young friend of mine and am wondering

if there is anything herbal that might help him. He had suffered a thumb

injury and it was quite painful. He went to a doctor and they couldn't

figure out what was causing the pain. So on Tuesday, they did a surgery

with a scope to look in his hand and see what was wrong. Well, it turned

into a major surgery where they completely removed his thumb, flushed the

joint out with water to clean out debris and infection, then reattached

the thumb. They told him that it would heal, but that his thumb would

never be the same (surprise, surprise!) He will also have arthritis in

the joint. Needless to say, I am shocked and horrified. But is there

anything that might help him in his post operative state?

 

Sign me sick of the medical establishment,

 

Terri Lynne

 

______________

Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today

Only $9.95 per month!

Visit www.juno.com

[Guest guest]

Terri, Go to the files - under Dr. Ian Shillington... usethe Deep Tissue Oil along with the BFC (which is under Dr. Christopher file) - between the two you should get good results.

Suzi

Terri Lynne Pomeroy <tlproy wrote: Hi all,Well, I am feeling really bad for a young friend of mine and am wonderingif there is anything herbal that might help him. He had suffered a thumbinjury and it was quite painful. He went to a doctor and they couldn'tfigure out what was causing the pain. So on Tuesday, they did a surgerywith a scope to look in his hand and see what was wrong. Well, it turnedinto a major surgery where they completely removed his thumb, flushed thejoint out with water to clean out debris and infection, then reattachedthe thumb. They told him that it would heal, but that his thumb wouldnever be the same (surprise, surprise!) He will also have arthritis inthe joint. Needless to say, I am shocked and horrified. But is thereanything that might help him in his post operative state?Sign me sick of the medical establishment,Terri Lynne______________Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access TodayOnly $9.95 per month!Visit www.juno.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanne,

 

Do you think I should wait for some of the swelling to go down? His hand

is so swollen that he can't reach from the palm to the back of the hand

with his other hand. I don't want to cause him additional pain.

 

Terri Lynne

 

______________

Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today

Only $9.95 per month!

Visit www.juno.com

[Guest guest]

Terry,

Hou can take BF & C internally.... you can try hot and cold therapy on the swelling.... i'm not sure if deep tissue oil is okay for open wounds.... however total draw poultice powder (in the files) would probably be good also for his wound.... you can also write Doc direct for advice.Suzi

Terri Lynne Pomeroy <tlproy wrote:

Hi Suzanne,Do you think I should wait for some of the swelling to go down? His handis so swollen that he can't reach from the palm to the back of the handwith his other hand. I don't want to cause him additional pain.Terri Lynne______________Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access TodayOnly $9.95 per month!Visit www.juno.comFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

I would use the total draw poultice powder on his hand to help get the

swelling down. Get him taking BF & C internally and make up an ointment of it

as well to use on his hand. As he has stitches (due to the medical treatment

known as amputateum cause we can't figure 'em outectomy) LOL, if you can get

hold of some certified organic myrrh powder, burdock root, comfrey leaf then

powder them all together and add just a touch of distilled water and benzoin

resinoid to make a paste and then apply to his wound and bandage. This will

help with pain, scars and the swelling too. Get him eating lots of fresh

garlic to help boost the immune system and cayenne to increase circulation.

 

Niacin is a wonderful vitamin that our bodies cannot do without. To the best

of my knowledge it does not build up in the body any more than any other

vitamin and does not cause a toxic overdose due to build up. And this

professor sounds like he works for the pharmaceutical machine.

 

HTH,

 

Don

 

 

 

 

 

 

>Suzanne Nottmeier <suziesgoats

>herbal remedies

>herbal remedies

>Re: [herbal remedies] ??Assistance following surgery?????

>Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:14:19 -0800 (PST)

>

>

>Terry,

>Hou can take BF & C internally.... you can try hot and cold therapy on the

>swelling.... i'm not sure if deep tissue oil is okay for open wounds....

>however total draw poultice powder (in the files) would probably be good

>also for his wound.... you can also write Doc direct for advice.

>Suzi

> Terri Lynne Pomeroy <tlproy wrote:Hi Suzanne,

>

>Do you think I should wait for some of the swelling to go down? His hand

>is so swollen that he can't reach from the palm to the back of the hand

>with his other hand. I don't want to cause him additional pain.

>

>Terri Lynne

>

>______________

>Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today

>Only $9.95 per month!

>Visit www.juno.com

>

>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

>1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

>2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

>remedy.

>3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

>to

>prescribe for your own health.

>We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as

>they behave themselves.

>Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person

>following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

>It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

>list members, you are agreeing to

>be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

>members free of any liability.

>

>Dr. Ian Shillington

>Doctor of Naturopathy

>Dr.IanShillington

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well I think the most important thing would be to get him on an adaptogen like astragalus right now to deal with the stress and shock. Doc's Total Tonic can't be beat for infections, and if you tell the medicos what is in it (because they will ask), they probably would have no objections that they could think of since it is made up of foods. I'm thinking the BF & C formula too. By the time they let him out of the hospital he will have dire need of offsetting the bad side effects of massive antibiotics as well.

 

Janet

 

-

Terri Lynne Pomeroy

herbal remedies

Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:44 AM

[herbal remedies] ??Assistance following surgery?????

Hi all,Well, I am feeling really bad for a young friend of mine and am wonderingif there is anything herbal that might help him. He had suffered a thumbinjury and it was quite painful. He went to a doctor and they couldn'tfigure out what was causing the pain. So on Tuesday, they did a surgerywith a scope to look in his hand and see what was wrong. Well, it turnedinto a major surgery where they completely removed his thumb, flushed thejoint out with water to clean out debris and infection, then reattachedthe thumb. They told him that it would heal, but that his thumb wouldnever be the same (surprise, surprise!) He will also have arthritis inthe joint. Needless to say, I am shocked and horrified. But is thereanything that might help him in his post operative state?Sign me sick of the medical establishment,Terri Lynne______________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.comFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Having looked over the ingredients of this multi-level marketed

product(Intra) I cannot see this product would help. Its

overpriced and mostly hype. Just about any detox formula in

the files is better, not that detoxing is needed in this situation.

Are you going to recommend the hollywood diet next?

Dispite your claims, please explain why this product would work ?

 

Michael

 

herbal remedies, " Jim " <jbrown629@c...> wrote:

> MM,

>

> There is a product that unfortunately is only sold by network marketers,

> but it is called Intra. I cannot even come close to telling you how

> powerful and beneficial this stuff is. If you tell me what city you're

> from, I can find out who sells it there so you can get it. You get results

> in 3 days or less. As a matter of fact, I was only using it for a month

> when I had to go for my 6th reconstruction on my left knee. When I woke

> from the surgery, the surgeon was blown away...all the arthritis was gone.

> Many other great things it has done for people.

>

> BB

> SSH

> -

> " Terri Lynne Pomeroy " <tlproy@j...>

> <herbal remedies>

> Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:44 AM

> [herbal remedies] ??Assistance following surgery?????

>

>

> > Hi all,

> > Well, I am feeling really bad for a young friend of mine and am wondering

> > if there is anything herbal that might help him. He had suffered a thumb

> > injury and it was quite painful. He went to a doctor and they couldn't

> > figure out what was causing the pain. So on Tuesday, they did a surgery

> > with a scope to look in his hand and see what was wrong. Well, it turned

> > into a major surgery where they completely removed his thumb, flushed the

> > joint out with water to clean out debris and infection, then reattached

> > the thumb. They told him that it would heal, but that his thumb would

> > never be the same (surprise, surprise!) He will also have arthritis in

> > the joint. Needless to say, I am shocked and horrified. But is there

> > anything that might help him in his post operative state?

> >

> > Sign me sick of the medical establishment,

> >

> > Terri Lynne

> >

> > ______________

> > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today

> > Only $9.95 per month!

> > Visit www.juno.com

> >

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

> remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

> to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

> as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

> person

> > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

> list members, you are agreeing to

> > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

> members free of any liability.

> >

> > Dr. Ian Shillington

> > Doctor of Naturopathy

> > Dr.IanShillington@G...

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Michael.... I looked over the list and figured if it was good I would make it myself but there were ingredients I didn't know - that's why i asked you in my post.

Suzi

chinesemedicineman <chinesemedicineman wrote:

Having looked over the ingredients of this multi-level marketedproduct(Intra) I cannot see this product would help. Its overpriced and mostly hype. Just about any detox formula inthe files is better, not that detoxing is needed in this situation.Are you going to recommend the hollywood diet next? Dispite your claims, please explain why this product would work ? Michaelherbal remedies, "Jim" wrote:> MM,> > There is a product that unfortunately is only sold by network marketers,> but it is called Intra. I cannot even come close to telling you how> powerful and beneficial this stuff is. If you tell me what city you're> from, I can find out who sells it there so you can get it. You get results> in 3 days or less. As a matter of fact, I was only using it for a month> when I had to go for my 6th reconstruction on my left knee. When I woke> from the surgery, the surgeon was blown away...all the arthritis was gone.> Many other great things it has done for people.> > BB> SSH> -> "Terri Lynne Pomeroy" > > Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:44 AM> [herbal remedies] ??Assistance following surgery?????> > > > Hi all,> > Well, I am feeling really bad for a young friend of mine and am wondering> > if there is anything herbal that might help him. He had suffered a thumb> > injury and it was quite painful. He went to a doctor and they couldn't> > figure out what was causing the pain. So on Tuesday, they did a surgery> > with a scope to look in his hand and see what was wrong. Well, it turned> > into a major surgery where they completely removed his thumb, flushed the> > joint out with water to clean out debris and infection, then reattached> > the thumb. They told him that it would heal, but that his thumb would> > never be the same (surprise, surprise!) He will also have arthritis in> > the joint. Needless to say, I am shocked and horrified. But is there> > anything that might help him in his post operative state?> >> > Sign me sick of the medical establishment,> >> > Terri Lynne> >> > ______________> > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today> > Only $9.95 per month!> > Visit www.juno.com> >> >> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural> remedy.> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and> to> > prescribe for your own health.> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long> as> > they behave themselves.> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any> person> > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.> > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from> list members, you are agreeing to> > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and> members free of any liability.> >> > Dr. Ian Shillington> > Doctor of Naturopathy> > Dr.IanShillington@G...> >> >

[Guest guest]

MM,

 

There is a product that unfortunately is only sold by network marketers,

but it is called Intra. I cannot even come close to telling you how

powerful and beneficial this stuff is. If you tell me what city you're

from, I can find out who sells it there so you can get it. You get results

in 3 days or less. As a matter of fact, I was only using it for a month

when I had to go for my 6th reconstruction on my left knee. When I woke

from the surgery, the surgeon was blown away...all the arthritis was gone.

Many other great things it has done for people.

 

BB

SSH

-

" Terri Lynne Pomeroy " <tlproy

<herbal remedies >

Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:44 AM

[herbal remedies] ??Assistance following surgery?????

 

 

> Hi all,

> Well, I am feeling really bad for a young friend of mine and am wondering

> if there is anything herbal that might help him. He had suffered a thumb

> injury and it was quite painful. He went to a doctor and they couldn't

> figure out what was causing the pain. So on Tuesday, they did a surgery

> with a scope to look in his hand and see what was wrong. Well, it turned

> into a major surgery where they completely removed his thumb, flushed the

> joint out with water to clean out debris and infection, then reattached

> the thumb. They told him that it would heal, but that his thumb would

> never be the same (surprise, surprise!) He will also have arthritis in

> the joint. Needless to say, I am shocked and horrified. But is there

> anything that might help him in his post operative state?

>

> Sign me sick of the medical establishment,

>

> Terri Lynne

>

> ______________

> Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today

> Only $9.95 per month!

> Visit www.juno.com

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

>

[Guest guest]

Toast

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

-

Jim

herbal remedies

Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:12 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] ??Assistance following surgery?????

MM,There is a product that unfortunately is only sold by network marketers,but it is called Intra. I cannot even come close to telling you howpowerful and beneficial this stuff is. If you tell me what city you'refrom, I can . . .

[Guest guest]

Right on Michael, but he can't reply as he's been toasted.

 

The following are what most MLM'ers claim with their products and then what is really true.

 

1. They usually claim some kind of miracle cure or a product that can only be gotten from them.

 

The truth: Y'all know me and my passion for research. There isn't one MLM product out there (especially in the field of Health) that can't be bought somewhere else by any individual doing a little research or that the individual can't make himself. Most (not all, there are exceptions) MLM products are actually mediocre or poor products.

 

2. They claim that you can make a million dollars by jumping on their bandwagon and after a little work, you can just sit back and watch the money roll in (residual income).

 

The truth: Every professional MLM'er I've ever known (and I've known many) who've been a great success at it, have had to work their buns off. These guys who make $100,000 a month put in long hours and work very hard at it. Almost if not all of these top level producers are professioal salesmen who can sell ice boxes to Eskimos. These people have charisma. In reality, they could care less about the product itself and are interested in only one thing. Sales! By actual statistic, only one in five actually make some money, and only 2 out of a hundred make a great income (five or six figures).

 

3. They claim the owner of the MLM company is a demigod who is the greatest philanthropist since Albert Schweitzer, and to listen to the hype you'd think this owner sits on the right hand of God.

 

The truth: Most often they'll "position" the owner with one religion or another, and use this "positioning" to give the owner and the product some credibility even if the product is very poor. It is not uncommon to be invited over to a prayer meeting, and then to be hit with an MLM sales pitch at the end of it. Most of these owners are motivated by only one thing = Money. I really don't know of one exception here, and I've checked out many of them including two I know personally.

 

4. They claim you can get these products "Cheap".

 

The truth: Exactly the opposite!!! These products (many of them inferior) are way over priced. How do you think they pay these long down lines??? You have to be selling a truck load before you get yours "cheap" and since most of us aren't salesmen, we end up paying through the nose.

 

It's hard to put the above into any order of which is the most destructive, as they are all negative.

 

There's a couple of MLM's (less than a handful) that have had long staying power, but even they fall under at least one of the above. I think it's #3 above which tends to suck in most people but I've never surveyed that. The whole concept of "out exchange" is what creates criminals. Something for Nothing!!! I think Robert A. Heinlein said it best in his Sci-Fi novel "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", "Tanstaafal" = There's no free ride. And any system, or government, or MLM, or socialist welfare state that promotes the "Free Ride" concept is trying to sell you a bill of goods.

 

Just my two cents. ;o)

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

-

chinesemedicineman

herbal remedies

Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:01 PM

[herbal remedies] Re: ??Assistance following surgery?????

Having looked over the ingredients of this multi-level marketed product(Intra) I cannot see this product would help. Its overpriced and mostly hype. Just about any detox formula in the files is better, not that detoxing is needed in this situation.Are you going to recommend the hollywood diet next? Dispite your claims, please explain why this product would work ? Michael