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I cannot be more specific re the dose. I recall it is not much--just 3 or 4 good sized drops. I suppose you can use water or anything else, but it has a very, very strong flavor and smell so that was the reason for the sugar. I have seen posts discouraging the use of turpentine, but no one has given any reasons for that. One person sent me a safety data sheet on it, but anything taken to excess is not good for us. Only 3 or 4 drops are needed. The scant teaspoon of sugar was not thoroughly wetted. No liquid was visible. And not all the sugar had turpentine on it. This I do remember. Hope that helps. pj

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Roman,

The biggest FLAW the dr's have in their reasoning is pretty obvious. In non-industrialize countries they have fewer processed foods and use less MED's from those same DR's!!!! So that is why maybe they have fewer intestinal diseases. I read somewhere that ROGAINE can cause, after about a year of starting on it, CHRONN's disease. These facts are kept from us by the Pharmaceutical companies for MONETARY reasons.

With Love,

Kristie

 

Roman wrote:

Shirley Reed wrote:> > A few drops of turpentine in a teaspoon of sugar will kill all the> adults immediately. A couple of days later, you can repeat the dosage> to get the eggs. This is what my Mother had us do when we 'looked> wormy'. She was usually right, as bm's showed dead worms. Really> gross. Anyway it works. We were southern country folk and> everybody got 'wormy' now and then. pjYou apparently believe that having parasites is always bad, right? Somescientists have evidence that intestinal worms may actually be a goodthing. Below is an article about that.RomanHas modern life become so clean it makes you sick?Some scientists say bacteria, worms belong back inside usBy Stacey Burling, Knight Ridder, Thursday, February 17, 2000PHILADELPHIA ・Your mother probably won't agree, but some scientiststhink people in industrialized countries are too clean.That's right. Too clean, too worried about germs.Put away that anti-bacterial soap. Let your kids play barefoot in thedirt. Use antibiotics sparingly.The idea is that humans evolved over millions of years in a dirtyenvironment. Billions of bacteria live in our guts, and they alwayshave. In fact, there are more bacteria in our bodies than cells. Untilrelatively recently, almost everybody had worms.While improved sanitation and antibiotics are indisputably greatpublic-health triumphs, proponents of the "hygiene hypothesis" believewe may have gone too far.Some of these tiny creatures we're killing may play a vital role infine-tuning our immune systems. We'd do well to understand what they dobefore further altering our intestinal flora ・our personal ecology.Some researchers hypothesize that reduced exposure to some bugs may havesomething to do with the rise of reflux disease, allergies andautoimmune diseases such as inflammatory bowel disease, rheumatoidarthritis, and multiple sclerosis.One team is experimenting with giving worm eggs to a small group ofAmericans with intestinal diseases that are rare in developing nations,where almost everybody has worms. It's too early to tell for sure, butresearchers were pleasantly surprised that some of the patients were sohappy with the "treatment" that they asked for more.Other scientists are working in the growing fields of "probiotics" ・lt;BR> using foods or supplements to deliver "good" bacteria ・and "prebiotics"・altering diets to make the gut more hospitable to useful bugs.Many infectious-disease experts are skeptical of these approaches,pointing out that improved sanitation has clear benefits ・a longerlifespan, for one ・ & that there's virtually no proof for the hygienetheories. "This is not a mainstream idea," said Bennett Lorber, chief ofinfectious diseases at Temple University Hospital.Even in the cleaner modern world, humans are bathed in microorganisms,he said. "I don't really believe there's much difference in the bugs wehave in our intestines now and the bugs we had thousands of years ago."Others are not so sure."There's this whole society that we live with all our lives," saidJeffrey Gordon, a microbiologist at Washington University School ofMedicine who studies the complex, finely tuned society of microbes thatinhabit human guts. "It's a silent society, but it's critical to ourhealth."Antibiotic resistance, he said, is not the only danger of indiscriminateuse of antibiotics ・what he called "microbial genocide." Humans may also be altering the intricate balance of good and bad bugsin their bodies."We may be, in ways that we don't understand yet, making us moresusceptible to diseases whose microbial basis we do not understand,"Gordon said.It's not just drugs. It's our diet, the way we raise food, the way welive. "It's everything. We've changed everything," said Jose Saavedra, apediatric gastroenterologist and nutritionist at Johns HopkinsUniversity, who is studying adding certain good bacteria to infantformula as well as to the diets of older people."Our water is clean. Our families are smaller. There's less transmissionof bugs," said Martin Blaser, an infectious-disease specialist atVanderbilt University. "It's my belief that that has consequences."Blaser is studying "Helicobacter pylori," a bacteria that clearly has adark side but may also do us good. "H. pylori" is a significant riskfactor for stomach ulcers and cancer. It has been in decline around theworld, and so have those diseases. But gastroesophageal reflux disease,which causes stomach juices to back up, often causing heartburn, is newthis century and becoming more common. Cancer of the esophagus, the tubebetween the mouth and stomach, has been rising rapidly. Blaser, who gotreflux after eradicating his own "H. pylori," espouses the controversialtheory that the bacteria may protect against reflux and esophagealcancer.Because of the growing evidence that "H. pylori" is not all bad, DavidMetz, a University of Pennsylvania expert on the bacteria, believesdoctors should try to get rid of the bug only in patients with symptomsof "H. pylori"-associated diseases that need therapy.Then there's the worm theory. A University of Iowa research teambelieves that worms, long considered disgusting intruders, may actuallybe good for their human hosts.Joel Weinstock's team there has been studying worms and inflammatorybowel disease (IBD), which includes Crohn's disease and ulcerativecolitis. IBD is almost unheard of in developing nations where peopleroutinely have worms, but has been growing significantly in the UnitedStates and other industrialized countries. Previous research has shownthat worms modulate the immune system, preventing it from responding sointensely to pathogens. Without worms, Weinstock's team guessed, theimmune system might be more likely to overreact, as it does inautoimmune diseases such as IBD."They've become part of us," Weinstock said of the worms that have livedin our guts through the millennia. "We're the first population never toexperience these worms. Suddenly, our immune system is out of balance."To test the theory, Weinstock, a gastroenterologist, asked six patientswith intractable IBD to quaff a potion of Gatorade and worm eggs,specifically the eggs of "Trichuns suis," a whipworm normally found inpigs. The study was meant only to show that ingesting worm eggs is safe,but a curious thing happened. Within about two weeks, five of the sixpatients went into remission ・for up to five months. The patients werebegging for more worms. They responded to retreatment as well.The study was small, Weinstock said, and patients knew they were gettingthe experimental treatment, which may have caused a placebo effect,Soon, the team will begin a new study in which patients will not knowwhether they are receiving worm eggs.Joseph Urban, a U.S, Department of Agriculture microbiologist and wormexpert who works with Weinstock's group, said the treatment could havesome risk. In some people, he said, the dampening effect of the worms onthe immune system could make it easier for bad bacteria to grow."You have to be very careful with the worms to make sure you don't pushthe balance too far in the other direction," he said.Three trains of thought made the worm theory jell for Weinstock. He hadspent years studying the effect of worms on the immune system. Then heedited a book on parasites that got him thinking about the scientifictenet that "a successful parasite provides the host with a survivaladvantage." And, finally, there was the fascinating history of Crohn'sdisease, an incurable digestive disorder that causes persistent diarrheaand abdominal pain."Up until the 1930s, Crohn's disease didn't exist," Weinstock said. Itfirst appeared in this country among wealthy Jews in New York, he said,and was thought to be a Jewish disease. Then it began to spread. Doctorsthought it was a white disease, then a disease of the North.Now, Crohn's crosses all boundaries in the United States. It has becomeeight to 10 times more common in the past 30 years and is virtually atepidemic levels in Canada, Japan and South Korea. In Israel, Jews getit, but Arabs don't, Weinstock said. In South Africa, whites get it, butblacks don't. "This all points to environment, environment,environment."Weinstock and his fellow researchers put it all together and wondered ifsuccessful efforts to eradicate worms might have led to the rise of thisdisease.Of course, there may be other factors, such as genetics, at work aswell.Other researchers also are studying the effect of bacteria on IBD,"Obviously, life is a lot more complicated than worms," Weinstock said.Interestingly, intestinal problems are increasing in animals as well,Weinstock said. Pigs, which are now raised in clean pens, are gettingsick. So are some species of captive monkeys.Robert Baldassano, director of the Center for Pediatric InflammatoryBowel Disease at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, said he's seeingan "alarming" increase in IBD. Ten years ago, the disorder began inadolescence or young adulthood. Now, it's common to diagnose it inchildren under 10 ・and the center is following about 100 children underthe age of 5.As a member of the board of the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation ofAmerica, Baldassano has helped fund Weinstock's work. "I think it's agreat idea," he said. He's not ready to give up other therapies, though."We're sort of at the third inning of a nine-inning ball game," he said.But Baldassano, who has Crohn's himself, thinks sufferers will have fewqualms about using worms if further studies prove their value. "If wormswork, people would go for it," he said. But "they may not tell everybodythey're doing it."Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Kristine,

 

I am well aware of that and find it very sad. If scientists can be

bought, then scientific progress is greatly compromised, in my opinion.

http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm does a good job of exposing bad

science in medical field. It also has another good side -- it attempts

to dispel the idea that too much animal fat and a high cholesterol is

dangerous to your heart.

 

Roman

 

 

 

Kristine Hall wrote:

 

> Roman,

>

> I went to college, I attended grad school (some) and I worked for

> PhD's for sometime. I think it wise to come to the realization, and

> this was pointed out to me by my PhD friends and bosses, that many

> many studies are flawed not just on the basis of the flawed reasoning

> and poor foundation, but because of the fearsome lack of integrity in

> those writing the results of the tests down on paper. We have learned

> recently of the scams in the business world, they pale in comparision

> to the scams in the medical field. Just read CONFESSIONS OF A MEDICAL

> HERETIC or the books by dr Eva Snead.

>

> Kristie

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OK, i did a basic toxicology search. Turpentine is moderately poisonous.

It could kill small children, but adults seem to recover from it easily. I

found one Canadian case description of an 11 month old infant who died a few

hours after being given 2 teaspoons for worms. There is some liver toxicity

associated with it, particularly with long-term exposure. Many people are

allergic to it, and get contact dermatitis from it. There have been several

studies done on that particular subject.

 

Turpentine is a relatively non-specific chemical -- it's actually several

chemicals blended together. It's been around for a long time, at least 300

years far as i know -- it was originally used by painters.

 

At 07:00 AM 8/30/02 -0700, you wrote:

> I cannot be more specific re the dose. I recall it is not much--just 3 or

4 good sized drops. I suppose you can use water or anything else, but it

has a very, very strong flavor and smell so that was the reason for the

sugar. I have seen posts discouraging the use of turpentine, but no one has

given any reasons for that. One person sent me a safety data sheet on it,

but anything taken to excess is not good for us. Only 3 or 4 drops are

needed. The scant teaspoon of sugar was not thoroughly wetted. No liquid

was visible. And not all the sugar had turpentine on it. This I do

remember. Hope that helps. pj

>

>

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