Candied Ginger recipe/refined sugar

July 28, 2002

OK, since I asked for the recipe I'll put my 2 cents in here.

Roman: Let's agree on terms. Let sugar be refined sugar. That's the kind I am against, in any amounts. Naturally, adversary effects of sugar will depend on the amount consumed, but I doubt that it's needed to be consumed in any quantity because sugar metabolism requires other nutrients present, and eating refined sugar makes the body pull those nutrients from other places.More comments below.

Anything abused or used in great quantities will have an adverse affect. Not everyone can always get a hold of unrefined sugar either.

Michael Riversong wrote:> Sugar is a deep and fascinating subject. Right now, most of it comes from> either beets or cane. Sugar beets grow well in Eastern Colorado, so i've> seen them a lot. This is a plant that is good for nothing unless it's> extensively refined.Roman - I've read about medicinal uses of beets and for food too, in unrefined form. I don''t understand why you think it's good for nothing unless it's extensively refined.> Michael - As for sugar cane, i know that Caribbean Indians such as the Taino (my wife is part Taino) ate it> raw, and it seemed to be all right for them.Roman - Again, she ate unrefined carbohydrates, not refined sugar.> Michael - Mainly sugar will help produce mucus, but not as heavily as dairy products> would. This can be useful if someone has not been abusing sugar and has> pollutants stuck in the lungs.Roman - The body seems to be able to produce enough mucus on its own. From what I know, it needs help eliminating itduring sickness; hence, usage of expectorant herbs. Clears those lungs very well. Why use refined sugar that isknown to suppress immune system (even in quite small quantities)? I am used to thinking that immune system needssupport, especially during an illness.

Not everybody can produce enough mucus. My son's little body has a hard time with this. If he is dehydrated and I give him a balanced electrolyte drink, you're saying it would be bad of me to put that pinch of sugar in it? > Michael - I think it is best for people to use sugar sparingly. That way, when it is> needed for one reason or another, it will be better appreciated.Roman - I think it is best not to use it at all. And to use unrefined carbohydrates sparingly.

Every body is different. Different amounts of carbs, proteins, etc. would be different for each body.

> Michael - It is clear that different genetic backgrounds will cause different> reactions to sugar. I have seen several people of German and Russian> ancestry who seem to do well with larger quantities of sugar than most. I'm> not sure how Chinese people tolerate it. Native Americans, English,> Scottish, and Irish definitely don't do well with the stuff.Roman - It is easy to make a mistake when interpreting effects of sugar. Just because someone doesn't display obviousproblems, doesn't mean they do fine on it. Considering that modern Russian (I know them so I will talk aboutthem only) can't boast great health, I can't use their example to make a conclusion that sugar is fine for them.Not enough info. I know their dental health is not good, generally. Weston Price has done extensive observationson effects of "displacing foods of modern commerce" and documented them in his book Nutrition and PhysicalDegeneration. Very interesting.Personaly I use honey more often and would like to get my hands on some Stevia. But back to the candied ginger - can't candy something without the sugar. In my experience, even a little of the refined sugar on a slice of ginger root would contribute to the positive medicinal affect of the ginger, both often play a role in anti-emetic action, which is what I would used it for.

Janet

July 29, 2002

" Dragonhealer " said:

> Anything abused or used in great quantities will have an adverse affect. Not

everyone can always get a hold of unrefined sugar either.

Well, maybe those living in a desert with no plants around... I've never

been anywhere where one couldn't get a hold of some honey or fruit. Who

wants it will always find it.

> If he is dehydrated and I give him a balanced

> electrolyte drink, you're saying it would be bad of me to put that

> pinch of sugar in it?

It depends on what you think is bad. I think it would be bad of ME to do

that for my child. It would also depend on one's state of health. If one

is overfilled with necessary minerals, and is generally in excellent

health, he would tolerate refined sugar better that one who is in bad

state of health. The worse one is, the smaller amount of sugar (or any

other stressful substance) will have on one's organism.

> Every body is different. Different amounts of carbs, proteins, etc.

> would be different for each body.

Not arguing against that. That's my belief too. My point is that REFINED

glucose is best avoided at all because eating it does your body no good.

> But back to the candied ginger - can't candy something without

> the sugar. In my experience, even a little of the refined sugar on a

> slice of ginger root would contribute to the positive medicinal affect

> of the ginger, both often play a role in anti-emetic action, which is

> what I would used it for.

I don't know anything about making candies (never wanted to repeat what

Weston Price noticed about affects of refined food doing to people). Why

do you believe that this anti emetic action is beneficial? What criteria

do you use? Does it promote overall long term health or is more like a

bandaid for a symptom, similar to Tylenol for a headache? Was the nausea

caused by something? Did you address that something? I am not being

sarcastic; I am serious. That's the philosophy I try to use in my life.

You said a little sugar would contribute to the positive medicinal

affect of the ginger. Does sugar really contribute or does ginger

produces its effect despite sugar?

Roman

July 29, 2002

"Dragonhealer" said: > Anything abused or used in great quantities will have an adverse affect. Not everyone can always get a hold of unrefined sugar either.Roman: Well, maybe those living in a desert with no plants around... I've neverbeen anywhere where one couldn't get a hold of some honey or fruit. Whowants it will always find it.I have no car nor money. I am shut in right now. You are lucky you have never, which is why you don't believe me.

> If he is dehydrated and I give him a balanced> electrolyte drink, you're saying it would be bad of me to put that> pinch of sugar in it? Roman: It depends on what you think is bad. I think it would be bad of ME to dothat for my child. It would also depend on one's state of health. If oneis overfilled with necessary minerals, and is generally in excellenthealth, he would tolerate refined sugar better that one who is in badstate of health. The worse one is, the smaller amount of sugar (or anyother stressful substance) will have on one's organism.I think it's bad every time I hold him in my arms and have no choice but to call the paramedics and rush him to the ER for dehydration.

> Every body is different. Different amounts of carbs, proteins, etc.> would be different for each body.Roman: Not arguing against that. That's my belief too. My point is that REFINEDglucose is best avoided at all because eating it does your body no good.Well if I had some, I'd use Stevia any chance I could, but I don't. I usually use honey.

> But back to the candied ginger - can't candy something without> the sugar. In my experience, even a little of the refined sugar on a> slice of ginger root would contribute to the positive medicinal affect> of the ginger, both often play a role in anti-emetic action, which is> what I would used it for.Roman: I don't know anything about making candies (never wanted to repeat whatWeston Price noticed about affects of refined food doing to people). Whydo you believe that this anti emetic action is beneficial? What criteriado you use? Does it promote overall long term health or is more like abandaid for a symptom, similar to Tylenol for a headache? Was the nauseacaused by something? Did you address that something? I am not beingsarcastic; I am serious. That's the philosophy I try to use in my life.

Obviously you don't know, which is why I pointed out that you can't candy ginger with out granulated sugar. I know it is beneficial because I have used it, as my ancesters did before me. Criteria - common sense. It is for motion sickness for my daughter, not my son. I will NOT give her OTC dramamine and watch her go into dystonic reaction like I did. Well, since I don't have a car it is a moot point about "addressing" the situation. BUT when and if I get a running car again I think I'd like her to enjoy the day and not vomit and cry her little eyes out. I live day to day making the best of our lives as natural as I can with what I have - that is my "philosophy" if you must call it that.

Roman: You said a little sugar would contribute to the positive medicinalaffect of the ginger. Does sugar really contribute or does gingerproduces its effect despite sugar?Yes, low glucose levels in the blood can contribute to nausea and prolong the symptoms that caused it. So sugar and ginger work synergistically together. If I had the means, I would make up a honey sweetened tincture for her, but I don't at the moment :/ As I said, moot point, she ain't goin no where anyway. Damn, now I'm getting depressed, pass the chocolate JK }:-8}

Janet

July 29, 2002

> Dragonhealer wrote:

> Obviously you don't know, which is why I pointed out that you can't

> candy ginger with out granulated sugar. I know it is beneficial

> because I have used it, as my ancesters did before me. Criteria -

> common sense. It is for motion sickness for my daughter, not my son.

I believe it does. But it's ginger that does it, not sugar in candy.

> Yes, low glucose levels in the blood can contribute to nausea and

> prolong the symptoms that caused it. So sugar and ginger work

> synergistically together.

Actually, Janet, eating refined sugar destabilizes blood glucose levels,

due to its fast absorption and excessive insulin production it causes.

To stabilize it, one needs to rely more on protein as a source of

glucose. Considering your financial situation, I would suggest eating

egg yolk regularly, if your daughter can handle them. Raw egg yolks.

Eggs are relatively very cheap, and they would her with a complete,

easily utilizable protein, fats, minerals, vitamins, and unknown

nutrients. Eating some protein and fat regularly should keep blood

glucose stable. In case you don't know, dietary carbohydrates are not

necessary (some are beneficial, but as a group, they are not necessary)

for humans, but fats and protein are.

Roman

July 30, 2002

Roman - Forget I ever even asked for the recipe. If I try to respond it would be pointless. Sheesh, as if I don't have enough stress.

Janet

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Roman

herbal remedies

Monday, July 29, 2002 1:49 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Candied Ginger recipe/refined sugar

> Dragonhealer wrote:> Obviously you don't know, which is why I pointed out that you can't> candy ginger with out granulated sugar. I know it is beneficial> because I have used it, as my ancesters did before me. Criteria -> common sense. It is for motion sickness for my daughter, not my son. I believe it does. But it's ginger that does it, not sugar in candy.> Yes, low glucose levels in the blood can contribute to nausea and> prolong the symptoms that caused it. So sugar and ginger work> synergistically together. Actually, Janet, eating refined sugar destabilizes blood glucose levels,due to its fast absorption and excessive insulin production it causes.To stabilize it, one needs to rely more on protein as a source ofglucose. Considering your financial situation, I would suggest eatingegg yolk regularly, if your daughter can handle them. Raw egg yolks.Eggs are relatively very cheap, and they would her with a complete,easily utilizable protein, fats, minerals, vitamins, and unknownnutrients. Eating some protein and fat regularly should keep bloodglucose stable. In case you don't know, dietary carbohydrates are notnecessary (some are beneficial, but as a group, they are not necessary)for humans, but fats and protein are.RomanFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington