Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 Hello list: I am looking for feedback on herbal programs from people who have taken or looked into them. I am an American living in Italy, so I prefer to take an english language correspondence course as opposed to an Italian course (not that great yet with my italian) even though I'm not sure where I will end up practicing. Specifically I have narrowed the choices down to these 3: The School of Natural Healing M.H. program Michael Tierra's East West School of Herbalism Foundations in Herbal Medicine by Tieraona Low Dog, MD There is a considerable price difference between the first 2, and I haven't been able to justify in my mind yet the higher price for the School of Natural Healing (about $4000 plus expenses of a seminar in Utah vs $700). The approaches are a bit different, with Tierra's program focusing on Ayurveda, TCM and Western herbs, while of course SNH teaches mostly based on John Christopher's experience. I am taking the approach that whatever program I choose it will only be a portion of my total education. For example I plan to study under a local herbalist who follows the traditional path (i.e. packed full tincturing, tincturing by the moon etc), I'm currently enrolled in a nutrition program, hope to order the Richard Shulze videos with Sam Biser and will study iridology as well. Ian I remember you saying that the School of Natural Healing was the best one around and you had thought about doing it yourself. Do you still feel that way? I would appreciate anyone's thoughts on this, no matter how broad (including aspects of the current political enviroment in relation to alternative practitioners/herbalists). Thanks Thessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 My wife is just about half way thru Tierra's course and has been very pleased with it. The course, although it touches on Ayuvedic and western does not focus on it. The tendency is on Chinese diagnosis and then brings in some herbs that are unique to each of the other systems. they also have annual week long seminars taught by him, his wife and a few others. My wife just returned from her first and felt it well worth the time and money and already saving for next year. It is geared along with the course in 3 phases,It is nice that they cover a number of chinese med things such as ear seeds, moxa and cupping. I believe that there is one student who was at the seminar that was from Italy as well. Also they have a active weekly online case study that is discussed in a chat room. Michael is often times answering or posting things of interest on the Board for students. I am studying acupucture here in florida and my wife has the luxury of observing in our clinic. I would suggest that you find some one to observe/apprentice under in your area. We looked at a number of courses out there and thought Tierra's was top notch. Bob --- thessakate <thessabelcher wrote: > Hello list: > > I am looking for feedback on herbal programs from > people who have > taken or looked into them. I am an American living > in Italy, so I > prefer to take an english language correspondence > course as opposed > to an Italian course (not that great yet with my > italian) even though > I'm not sure where I will end up practicing. > > Specifically I have narrowed the choices down to > these 3: > The School of Natural Healing M.H. program > Michael Tierra's East West School of Herbalism > Foundations in Herbal Medicine by Tieraona Low Dog, > MD > > There is a considerable price difference between the > first 2, and I > haven't been able to justify in my mind yet the > higher price for the > School of Natural Healing (about $4000 plus expenses > of a seminar in > Utah vs $700). The approaches are a bit different, > with Tierra's > program focusing on Ayurveda, TCM and Western herbs, > while of course > SNH teaches mostly based on John Christopher's > experience. > > I am taking the approach that whatever program I > choose it will only > be a portion of my total education. For example I > plan to study > under a local herbalist who follows the traditional > path (i.e. packed > full tincturing, tincturing by the moon etc), I'm > currently enrolled > in a nutrition program, hope to order the Richard > Shulze videos with > Sam Biser and will study iridology as well. > > Ian I remember you saying that the School of Natural > Healing was the > best one around and you had thought about doing it > yourself. Do you > still feel that way? > I would appreciate anyone's thoughts on this, no > matter how broad > (including aspects of the current political > enviroment in relation to > alternative practitioners/herbalists). > Thanks > Thessa > > > Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Thank you Bob that is very helpful. Let me ask you, do you feel it's important that someone who goes through this course work with an acupunturist or TCM practitioner when they are ready to practice? I am interested in the Chinese method of diagnosis, but prefer to use local herbs to treat and obviously I'm not in China I think it sounds like a wonderful idea to mix this system of diagnosis with the herbs I have here locally but frankly I don't know enough about it to know whether it's plausible. Thanks for the help Thessa herbal remedies, Bob Linde <bob_and_robin> wrote: > My wife is just about half way thru Tierra's course > and has been very pleased with it. The course, > although it touches on Ayuvedic and western does not > focus on it. The tendency is on Chinese diagnosis and > then brings in some herbs that are unique to each of > the other systems. they also have annual week long > seminars taught by him, his wife and a few others. My > wife just returned from her first and felt it well > worth the time and money and already saving for next > year. It is geared along with the course in 3 > phases,It is nice that they cover a number of chinese > med things such as ear seeds, moxa and cupping. I > believe that there is one student who was at the > seminar that was from Italy as well. Also they have a > active weekly online case study that is discussed in a > chat room. Michael is often times answering or posting > things of interest on the Board for students. I am > studying acupucture here in florida and my wife has > the luxury of observing in our clinic. I would suggest > that you find some one to observe/apprentice under in > your area. We looked at a number of courses out there > and thought Tierra's was top notch. > Bob > --- thessakate <thessabelcher@h...> wrote: > > Hello list: > > > > I am looking for feedback on herbal programs from > > people who have > > taken or looked into them. I am an American living > > in Italy, so I > > prefer to take an english language correspondence > > course as opposed > > to an Italian course (not that great yet with my > > italian) even though > > I'm not sure where I will end up practicing. > > > > Specifically I have narrowed the choices down to > > these 3: > > The School of Natural Healing M.H. program > > Michael Tierra's East West School of Herbalism > > Foundations in Herbal Medicine by Tieraona Low Dog, > > MD > > > > There is a considerable price difference between the > > first 2, and I > > haven't been able to justify in my mind yet the > > higher price for the > > School of Natural Healing (about $4000 plus expenses > > of a seminar in > > Utah vs $700). The approaches are a bit different, > > with Tierra's > > program focusing on Ayurveda, TCM and Western herbs, > > while of course > > SNH teaches mostly based on John Christopher's > > experience. > > > > I am taking the approach that whatever program I > > choose it will only > > be a portion of my total education. For example I > > plan to study > > under a local herbalist who follows the traditional > > path (i.e. packed > > full tincturing, tincturing by the moon etc), I'm > > currently enrolled > > in a nutrition program, hope to order the Richard > > Shulze videos with > > Sam Biser and will study iridology as well. > > > > Ian I remember you saying that the School of Natural > > Healing was the > > best one around and you had thought about doing it > > yourself. Do you > > still feel that way? > > I would appreciate anyone's thoughts on this, no > > matter how broad > > (including aspects of the current political > > enviroment in relation to > > alternative practitioners/herbalists). > > Thanks > > Thessa > > > > > > > > > > > Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Hi Thessa, I'll do my best to answer your questions... It is recommended that you find a mentor to work with while taking the course. It does not have to be a TCM practioner but I think that it would be most helpful. It is about half the course, since much of the diagnostics are based on TCM. But a well trained herbalist in any field would be just as helpful I'll sure. There are so many things were it is hard to just take from a book and then put into practice with out someone to guide you. I agree that the TCM diagnosis is the way to go. So often folks who shun the western doctors except there diagnosis and then treat with herbs, usually with mixed results. There is an entire school of thought about using only local herbs to treat all disease. But you will likely find that many of the chinese herbs have western common names that you will recognize and be able to find locally. I think that is one of the strengths of Michaels course that he guides you to explore other herbs outside of TCM. You find that one of the recommended books suggested in the course for TCM diagnosis is by a gentleman from Italy, Giovanni Maciocia, I'm not sure if he is still in Italy or currently living in Germany. I highly recommend any and all of his books. He also gives seminars, more often in Europe than in the US. From what my wife and I have seen the diagnosis is the hardest and most important thing to learn. This of course takes lots of time and practice. The herb formulas can just be looked up in a book once you get the proper diagnosis. With experience you can get fancy and make some neat adjustments in the formulas. But my own experience in TCM is that herbs are very powerful and used improperly can cause many problems for the folks you are trying to help. Also I noticed that Italy has been pushing to change the laws on herbs and other alternative meds. I think they are looking to make it harder to practice without more formal training, so be sure to look at that. hope this helps, I may have created more questions than answered. Bob --- thessakate <thessabelcher wrote: > Thank you Bob that is very helpful. Let me ask you, > do you feel it's > important that someone who goes through this course > work with an > acupunturist or TCM practitioner when they are ready > to practice? I > am interested in the Chinese method of diagnosis, > but prefer to use > local herbs to treat and obviously I'm not in China > I think it > sounds like a wonderful idea to mix this system of > diagnosis with the > herbs I have here locally but frankly I don't know > enough about it to > know whether it's plausible. > Thanks for the help > Thessa > > herbal remedies, Bob Linde > <bob_and_robin> wrote: > > My wife is just about half way thru Tierra's > course > > and has been very pleased with it. The course, > > although it touches on Ayuvedic and western does > not > > focus on it. The tendency is on Chinese diagnosis > and > > then brings in some herbs that are unique to each > of > > the other systems. they also have annual week long > > seminars taught by him, his wife and a few others. > My > > wife just returned from her first and felt it well > > worth the time and money and already saving for > next > > year. It is geared along with the course in 3 > > phases,It is nice that they cover a number of > chinese > > med things such as ear seeds, moxa and cupping. I > > believe that there is one student who was at the > > seminar that was from Italy as well. Also they > have a > > active weekly online case study that is discussed > in a > > chat room. Michael is often times answering or > posting > > things of interest on the Board for students. I am > > studying acupucture here in florida and my wife > has > > the luxury of observing in our clinic. I would > suggest > > that you find some one to observe/apprentice under > in > > your area. We looked at a number of courses out > there > > and thought Tierra's was top notch. > > Bob > > --- thessakate <thessabelcher@h...> wrote: > > > Hello list: > > > > > > I am looking for feedback on herbal programs > from > > > people who have > > > taken or looked into them. I am an American > living > > > in Italy, so I > > > prefer to take an english language > correspondence > > > course as opposed > > > to an Italian course (not that great yet with my > > > italian) even though > > > I'm not sure where I will end up practicing. > > > > > > Specifically I have narrowed the choices down to > > > these 3: > > > The School of Natural Healing M.H. program > > > Michael Tierra's East West School of Herbalism > > > Foundations in Herbal Medicine by Tieraona Low > Dog, > > > MD > > > > > > There is a considerable price difference between > the > > > first 2, and I > > > haven't been able to justify in my mind yet the > > > higher price for the > > > School of Natural Healing (about $4000 plus > expenses > > > of a seminar in > > > Utah vs $700). The approaches are a bit > different, > > > with Tierra's > > > program focusing on Ayurveda, TCM and Western > herbs, > > > while of course > > > SNH teaches mostly based on John Christopher's > > > experience. > > > > > > I am taking the approach that whatever program I > > > choose it will only > > > be a portion of my total education. For example > I > > > plan to study > > > under a local herbalist who follows the > traditional > > > path (i.e. packed > > > full tincturing, tincturing by the moon etc), > I'm > > > currently enrolled > > > in a nutrition program, hope to order the > Richard > > > Shulze videos with > > > Sam Biser and will study iridology as well. > > > > > > Ian I remember you saying that the School of > Natural > > > Healing was the > > > best one around and you had thought about doing > it > > > yourself. Do you > > > still feel that way? > > > I would appreciate anyone's thoughts on this, no > > > matter how broad > > > (including aspects of the current political > > > enviroment in relation to > > > alternative practitioners/herbalists). > > > Thanks > > > Thessa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos. > > Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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