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I need some ideas.. What should I take for Carpel Tunnel. I went to

GNC today and they didnt really know. I know that a few years ago I

took time release B-6 so thats what I bought today.Any Suggestions??

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First, Have you actually been diagnosed with carpel tunnel? If not, it may be that you are extra tight in the traps,-shoulder muscles, & the pecs,-chest muscles. When this happens the blood flow & nerve flow is cut way down. You may need a massage from a person that does neuromuscular work. Another cause may be that you have the vertebrae in the neck, out of alignment, that effects the shoulder, elbow, wrist, & fingers. I realize that this doesn't have to do with herbs, but the massage therapist or chiropractor may give you some advise on oils, & stretches to open up the blood & nerve pathways.

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I need some ideas.. What should I take for Carpel Tunnel. I went to GNC today and they didnt really know. I know that a few years ago I took time release B-6 so thats what I bought today.Any Suggestions??

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A really good thing for it, though it hurts like hell at first, is to

simply lay on your stomach, bring your arms down along your sides with the

palms facing down. Then lift one hip bringing the arm underneath you...

then the other. The idea is to get both arms underneath the body with your

palms facing the floor. Eventually you want to get the pinky fingers to

touch and the elbows as close together as possible. Once you can do that

start to lift one leg at a time, not too high just about 45 degrees. Once

you can do that start lifting both legs. It's really helped me keep from

getting full blown carpel tunnel. Again, it's not about herbs but it really

does help!

 

Be well.

Ann

 

--- Pat <Pat4bs wrote:

> First, Have you actually been diagnosed with carpel tunnel? If not, it

> may be that you are extra tight in the traps,-shoulder muscles, & the

> pecs,-chest muscles. When this happens the blood flow & nerve flow is

> cut way down. You may need a massage from a person that does

> neuromuscular work. Another cause may be that you have the vertebrae in

> the neck, out of alignment, that effects the shoulder, elbow, wrist, &

> fingers. I realize that this doesn't have to do with herbs, but the

> massage therapist or chiropractor may give you some advise on oils, &

> stretches to open up the blood & nerve pathways.

> Pat

> I need some ideas.. What should I take for Carpel Tunnel. I went to

> GNC today and they didnt really know. I know that a few years ago I

> took time release B-6 so thats what I bought today.Any Suggestions??

 

 

 

 

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B6 is supposed to be specific. You should

also consider taking it in conjunction with a B complex so as not to create

deficiencies in your other B group vitamins, as the kidneys can’t

differentiate between the different types of vitamin B. St Johns wort might also be worth considering.

 

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I need some ideas.. What should I take for Carpel

Tunnel. I went to

GNC today and they didnt really know. I know that

a few years ago I

took time release B-6 so thats what I bought

today.Any Suggestions??

 

 

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MSM should help it. It helped my fathers.

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B6 is supposed to be specific. You should also consider taking it in conjunction with a B complex so as not to create deficiencies in your other B group vitamins, as the kidneys can’t differentiate between the different types of vitamin B. St Johns wort might also be worth considering.

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I need some ideas.. What should I take for Carpel Tunnel. I went to GNC today and they didnt really know. I know that a few years ago I took time release B-6 so thats what I bought today.Any Suggestions??Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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My local GP who i dont use so much anymore suspected i had carple tunnel once ,it turned out i was leaning my hand on the edge of my desk while using the computer.it was at a time when i was sitting at my desktop for hours on end and did explain the numb leg as well from the elbow pressing on it.

 

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First, Have you actually been diagnosed with carpel tunnel? If not, it may be that you are extra tight in the traps,-shoulder muscles, & the pecs,-chest muscles. When this happens the blood flow & nerve flow is cut way down. You may need a massage from a person that does neuromuscular work. Another cause may be that you have the vertebrae in the neck, out of alignment, that effects the shoulder, elbow, wrist, & fingers. I realize that this doesn't have to do with herbs, but the massage therapist or chiropractor may give you some advise on oils, & stretches to open up the blood & nerve pathways.

Pat

I need some ideas.. What should I take for Carpel Tunnel. I went to GNC today and they didnt really know. I know that a few years ago I took time release B-6 so thats what I bought today.Any Suggestions??Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Right-o! I was told that I might have carpal tunnel on top of diagnosed

tendonitis, but then another med. professional told me on the sly that it

seemed to him like my stiff neck & shoulders from work could be bigger

factors in my wrist pain than carpal tunnel. Thank goodness! I was almost

to the point of giving up and getting surgery, but on a hunch I started

doing Tai Chi...no more 'carpal tunnel'. (The tendonitis is still there,

but much less acute.) So do be sure! --ST

 

>--- Pat <Pat4bs wrote:

>> First, Have you actually been diagnosed with carpel tunnel? If not, it

>> may be that you are extra tight in the traps,-shoulder muscles, & the

>> pecs,-chest muscles. When this happens the blood flow & nerve flow is

>> cut way down. You may need a massage from a person that does

>> neuromuscular work. Another cause may be that you have the vertebrae in

>> the neck, out of alignment, that effects the shoulder, elbow, wrist, &

>> fingers. I realize that this doesn't have to do with herbs, but the

>> massage therapist or chiropractor may give you some advise on oils, &

>> stretches to open up the blood & nerve pathways.

>> Pat

>> I need some ideas.. What should I take for Carpel Tunnel. I went to

>> GNC today and they didnt really know. I know that a few years ago I

>> took time release B-6 so thats what I bought today.Any Suggestions??

>

>

>

>

> - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup

>http://fifaworldcup.

>

>

>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

>1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

>2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

>3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

>prescribe for your own health.

>We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

>they behave themselves.

>Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

person

>following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

>It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

>be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

>

>Dr. Ian Shillington

>Doctor of Naturopathy

>Dr.IanShillington

>

>

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Thanks for the advice I broke down this morning and went to the doctor and he said I may have a blown disk in my neck cause my arm is killing me. so I am checking in to chiropractics.

Valerie

 

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Right-o! I was told that I might have carpal tunnel on top of diagnosedtendonitis, but then another med. professional told me on the sly that itseemed to him like my stiff neck & shoulders from work could be biggerfactors in my wrist pain than carpal tunnel. Thank goodness! I was almostto the point of giving up and getting surgery, but on a hunch I starteddoing Tai Chi...no more 'carpal tunnel'. (The tendonitis is still there,but much less acute.) So do be sure! --ST>--- Pat <Pat4bs wrote:>> First, Have you actually been diagnosed with carpel tunnel? If not, it>> may be that you are extra tight in the traps,-shoulder muscles, & the>> pecs,-chest muscles. When this happens the blood flow & nerve flow is>> cut way down. You may need a massage from a person that does>> neuromuscular work. Another cause may be that you have the vertebrae in>> the neck, out of alignment, that effects the shoulder, elbow, wrist, & >> fingers. I realize that this doesn't have to do with herbs, but the>> massage therapist or chiropractor may give you some advise on oils, & >> stretches to open up the blood & nerve pathways.>> Pat>> I need some ideas.. What should I take for Carpel Tunnel. I went to >> GNC today and they didnt really know. I know that a few years ago I >> took time release B-6 so thats what I bought today.Any Suggestions??>>>>> - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup>http://fifaworldcup.>>>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: >1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. >2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any naturalremedy. >3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician andto>prescribe for your own health. >We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as longas >they behave themselves. >Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and anyperson >following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. >It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products fromlist members, you are agreeing to >be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner andmembers free of any liability. >>Dr. Ian Shillington>Doctor of Naturopathy>Dr.IanShillington >>

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This points out how there really is no ideal position for working at a

computer. Experience and research have found that the only thing that works,

is to keep changing your work position once in a while. I recently worked in

a government office for a couple of days, and they had this really neat

adjustable keyboard tray. That is the way to go.

 

I did a lot of research on carpal tunnel syndrome a few years ago. Found out

that in every case i interviewed, it was easy to discover one person in the

victim's life, usually someone with authority, who was constantly belittling,

degrading, and generally undercutting the victim. In a couple of cases that i

was able to track, once the victim got that person out of her life, the

symptoms gradually disappeared.

 

 

On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 07:48:54 -0700 Victim <tom wrote:

 

 

My local GP who i dont use so much anymore

suspected i had carple tunnel once ,it turned out i was leaning my hand on the

 

edge of my desk while using the computer.it was at a time when i was sitting

at

my desktop for hours on end and did explain the numb leg as well from the

elbow

pressing on it.

 

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Dear Valerie,

 

I do a lot of typing, and I mean a bunch. It seems like a ream a day ;o)

 

Once in a while my wrist and fingers start to bother me, and when I let it go too long can actually get painful. My solution (besides using my own Deep Tissue Repair Oil {recipe in the files}) is to chop wood. At first my wrist gets tired, and a little more sore, but then it strengthens up and all is fine until the next time I spend too much time at the ole 'puter. It's not an area I've done a lot of research in, and I know that not everyone can just go out and chop wood any old time like I can, but it would seem to me that there must be some form of exercise or group of exercises that would help this.

 

Has anyone else checked into the exercise approach???

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

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Thanks for the advice I broke down this morning and went to the doctor and he said I may have a blown disk in my neck cause my arm is killing me. so I am checking in to chiropractics.

Valerie

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To a small degree, i have. Musicians get carpal tunnel in alarming numbers.

The repetitive motions involved in playing any instrument can be a problem.

The main exception would be trap drum sets, because with that you're really

playing several instruments at once and engaging in a wide variety of motions.

I used to play trap drums, and so knew about this, and about the fact that

few people playing that instrument set would have carpal tunnel syndrome. In

fact i can't think of anyone who developed it on that instrument. What i have

done over the years, is to encourage my students to take up more than one

instrument. This helps a lot, and so far none of my students have ever

developed the problem far as i know.

 

If someone is involved in music, or too much computer work, there are two main

prescriptions against this problem. First, make sure that you engage in other

types of motions when not working at your main task. Then, be sure to avoid

people who constantly suppress you. Those are the two factors.

 

A lot of my knowledge of this began with a paper presented by the late Dr.

Burt Espy in 1994. He was a chiropractor in Colorado Springs who made the

astounding discovery that whenever he treated the " heart meridian " of any

patient with carpal tunnel syndrome, they improved. This refers to the Ch'i

circulation system that is the basis of acupuncture -- Dr. Espy was very aware

of how that system worked and would focus his treatments on it with good

results. Due to some specialized religious training i was taking shortly

after that, i found a link between the syndrome and suppression by conducting

a number of interviews. The exact title and provider of the religious

training will be given out privately, off list to anyone who is interested.

 

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:44:47 -0600 " Ian Shillington N.D. "

<Dr.IanShillington wrote:

 

Dear Valerie,

 

I do a lot of typing, and I mean a bunch.  It seems like a ream a day

;o)

 

Once in a while my wrist and fingers start to bother me, and when I let it

go too long can actually get painful.  My solution (besides using my own

Deep Tissue Repair Oil {recipe in the files}) is to chop wood.  At first my

wrist gets tired, and a little more sore, but then it strengthens up and all

is

fine until the next time I spend too much time at the ole 'puter.  It's not

an area I've done a lot of research in, and I know that not everyone can just

go

out and chop wood any old time like I can, but it would seem to me that there

 

must be some form of exercise or group of exercises that would help this.

 

Has anyone else checked into the exercise approach???

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

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Absolutely Doc! When I can, chopping wood is my favorite too; but here in

the city, sometimes I have to settle for doing (or trying to do) pull-ups,

or even throwing off a few push-ups if that's all there's room for.

Anything that really works your wrist, finger and shoulder muscles. I used

to think the idea was ridiculous myself, but after a particularly bad bout

(Sara's a mad typist too), I went up north to try and relax...and the pain

kept getting worse and worse the less I used my hands. Someone offered me

an axe--I've always liked wood-chopping--and I gave in and decided to try

it. In ten minutes, the pain was gone!

 

Take care,

Sara (Beefcake!!)

 

>Dear Valerie,

>

>I do a lot of typing, and I mean a bunch. It seems like a ream a day

>;o)

>

>Once in a while my wrist and fingers start to bother me, and when I let

>it go too long can actually get painful. My solution (besides using my

>own Deep Tissue Repair Oil {recipe in the files}) is to chop wood. At

>first my wrist gets tired, and a little more sore, but then it

>strengthens up and all is fine until the next time I spend too much time

>at the ole 'puter. It's not an area I've done a lot of research in, and

>I know that not everyone can just go out and chop wood any old time like

>I can, but it would seem to me that there must be some form of exercise

>or group of exercises that would help this.

>

>Has anyone else checked into the exercise approach???

>

>Love,

>

>Doc

>

>Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

>505-772-5889

>Dr.IanShillington

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>

>

> Thanks for the advice I broke down this morning and went to the doctor

>and he said I may have a blown disk in my neck cause my arm is killing

>me. so I am checking in to chiropractics.

> Valerie

>

>

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Good point...I forgot to mention, one of the things I do besides

wood-chopping to help my wrists when the act up...is play my drumset! --ST

 

 

>To a small degree, i have. Musicians get carpal tunnel in alarming

numbers.

>The repetitive motions involved in playing any instrument can be a

problem.

>The main exception would be trap drum sets, because with that you're

really

>playing several instruments at once and engaging in a wide variety of

motions.

> I used to play trap drums, and so knew about this, and about the fact

that

>few people playing that instrument set would have carpal tunnel syndrome.

In

>fact i can't think of anyone who developed it on that instrument. What i

have

>done over the years, is to encourage my students to take up more than one

>instrument. This helps a lot, and so far none of my students have ever

>developed the problem far as i know.

>

>If someone is involved in music, or too much computer work, there are two

main

>prescriptions against this problem. First, make sure that you engage in

other

>types of motions when not working at your main task. Then, be sure to

avoid

>people who constantly suppress you. Those are the two factors.

>

>A lot of my knowledge of this began with a paper presented by the late Dr.

>Burt Espy in 1994. He was a chiropractor in Colorado Springs who made the

>astounding discovery that whenever he treated the " heart meridian " of any

>patient with carpal tunnel syndrome, they improved. This refers to the

Ch'i

>circulation system that is the basis of acupuncture -- Dr. Espy was very

aware

>of how that system worked and would focus his treatments on it with good

>results. Due to some specialized religious training i was taking shortly

>after that, i found a link between the syndrome and suppression by

conducting

>a number of interviews. The exact title and provider of the religious

>training will be given out privately, off list to anyone who is

interested.

>

>On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:44:47 -0600 " Ian Shillington N.D. "

><Dr.IanShillington wrote:

>

>Dear Valerie,

>I do a lot of typing, and I mean a bunch.  It seems like a ream a day

>;o)

>Once in a while my wrist and fingers start to bother me, and when I let it

 

>go too long can actually get painful.  My solution (besides using my own

>Deep Tissue Repair Oil {recipe in the files}) is to chop wood.  At first

my

>wrist gets tired, and a little more sore, but then it strengthens up and

all

>is

>fine until the next time I spend too much time at the ole 'puter.  It's

not

>an area I've done a lot of research in, and I know that not everyone can

just

>go

>out and chop wood any old time like I can, but it would seem to me that

there

>

>must be some form of exercise or group of exercises that would help this.

>Has anyone else checked into the exercise approach???

>Love,

>Doc

>Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

>505-772-5889

>

>

>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

>1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

>2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

>3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

>prescribe for your own health.

>We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

>they behave themselves.

>Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

person

>following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

>It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

>be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

>

>Dr. Ian Shillington

>Doctor of Naturopathy

>Dr.IanShillington

>

>

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Hello All,

Has anyone ever tried the Chinese Steel Balls for strengthening the wrist?

They are exactly as described, two steel spheres, the ones I have make music,

and all you do is move them around in your hand, and your wrist gets a gentle

workout. James Duke (The Green Pharmacy) believes that this exercise is the

reason he has never had carpal tunnel syndrome, even though he types a lot. I

also had a bout with cts when I first started using my computer, but now, even

though I use my computer way more than I used to, my wrists never bother me, and

I also believe it's because of the steel balls.

Love,

Nijma

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Dear Nijma,

 

I've been accused of having brass balls before, but steel??? LOL Only kidding hon, I couldn't resist. ;o)

 

Actually I'd like to try these out myself. Where can I get some??? Has anyone else on the list ever tried this before???

 

This sounds like a very workable solution and I'd like to order some right away, to test them on my favorite guinea pig = ME.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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Hello All, Has anyone ever tried the Chinese Steel Balls for strengthening the wrist? They are exactly as described, two steel spheres, the ones I have make music, and all you do is move them around in your hand, and your wrist gets a gentle workout. James Duke (The Green Pharmacy) believes that this exercise is the reason he has never had carpal tunnel syndrome, even though he types a lot. I also had a bout with cts when I first started using my computer, but now, even though I use my computer way more than I used to, my wrists never bother me, and I also believe it's because of the steel balls. Love, Nijma

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Thanks hon. If anyone knows of an internet source for them, I'd appreciate the URL.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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But now that I'm finally playing again, I think I'll get some more. I'll keep youposted. Thanks! -_St>Dear Nijma,>>I've been accused of having brass balls before, but steel??? LOL Only>kidding hon, I couldn't resist. ;o)>>Actually I'd like to try these out myself. Where can I get some??? Has>anyone else on the list ever tried this before???>>This sounds like a very workable solution and I'd like to order some>right away, to test them on my favorite guinea pig = ME.>>Love,>>Doc

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Persian,

 

MSM stands for methyl sulfonylmethane. It is extracted from pine trees. I hope this is what you wanted.

 

Don

 

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Hi,Very sorry but I have deleted the post where someone said what msm is.Can you please tell me again ?thanks a lotPersianOn Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 05:02:04PM -0700, Suzanne Nottmeier wrote:> > For carpel tunnel use msm....it will cure it... mega doses. cured my fathers.> Suzi> melesana wrote:> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Hi Persian,

Thanks.

You must be in the UK. Over here we don't split everything up, though I wish they did. Though I guess it doesn't really matter because if you still have to take everything inorder to obtain a certificate or diploma than one way works just as well as the next. Although, splitting it up allows you to take the courses as you can afford them. Our way you have to mortgage the farm in order to get the schooling. I have only done Anatomy and Physiology. No biochemistry with the herbal course, I am sad to say, there will be with the Aroma course though. As for any other herbal training I have done none other than my own natural curiosity about plants. I have always been interested in them since I can remember. Wondering about their uses for food and healing.

 

Don

 

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Friday, September 27, 2002 12:57 AM

Re: [herbal remedies]carpel tunnel

Hi Don,On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 04:17:42AM -0700, Donald Eitner wrote:> Persian,> > MSM stands for methyl sulfonylmethane. It is extracted from pine trees. I hope this is what you wanted.> > DonYes thanks very much!Also good luck with your move, the whole thing sounds fascinating!I will be away on holidays myself when you go so wishing you well now.When you did the studies with the Australasian College did you doa whole heap of separate subjects, such as anatomy, biochemisty etc etc?Also what other herbal training have you done? If you dont mind my asking.We have a few natural medicine colleges here and each separate subjectcosts about $420 to do and in say a Diploma there are about 20subjects to do, this includes anatomy I,II and III and herbalmedicine I and II etc. Is it the same where you studied?thanks a lotPersianFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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