Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Namaste Oh, no! Here it comes again! Those dreaded holidays where Vegans waffle between: A) Going to a family get-together and literally suffer through hours of staring at dead carcasses, watching as others gulp down – not chewing – these abused souls, B) Going to a family get-together and endure all those not so casual comments about anti-Veganism, C) Not going to these gatherings and trying to arrange a dinner for like-minded folks, D) Not going to these gatherings and staying by themselves with their Tofurkeys, E) Not going to these gatherings and wondering if we hurt the feelings of unconcerned/uncaring humans, F) Not going to the dinners, but arriving afterwards for " dessert " G) Not going to these gatherings and fasting. That's right! I said FASTING. I will be fasting this ThanXgiving again - this has been a tradition since 1998. I hope some list members will be joining me on this day of torture, death, greed, selfishness and debauchery by doing the same. My fast is in HONOR/REMEMBERENCE/REVERENCE of the MILLIONS of animals that are tortured and abused, then slaughtered just for this one (1) day alone in the U.S. I am not discussing one (1) day fasts. My fasts run from Wednesday until Sunday. Fasting achieves numerous benefits. It is a wonderful way to clean out the body as far as health is concerned. Spiritually, it also cleanses the soul. Originally, fasting was used to 'get closer to the higher being.' It was also used to rid sick bodies of diseases. This was copied from watching animals when they are ill. They either eat greens or nothing at all. Modern times has shown fasting to be a form of protest. Gandhi also used fasting to bring his point across. My fasting tradition has came about when I could no longer go to family gatherings for this 'holiday' and sit around a table infested with dead carcass and by-products. Even the 'religious' holidays were laughable as we traipsed to our building of worship only to march back to a home full of death, abuse and chemical irresponsibility. I have had numerous opportunities to join like-minded folks for a holiday feast, but prefer to not look upon this holiday as a festive occasion. Why? Because it also represents false facts throughout American history. Native Americans were thwarted into slavery and near-annihilitation by the 'white man' in the name of 'god.' Recent findings are coming out that there was no turkey - or even any kind of 'meat' - at the dinner; only fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains. Then, back to modern times, it always bothered me that after these dinners, the male attendees would gather together in front of a television set to watch the bloodsport known as 'football,' leaving the women (slaves again to the 'white man') to clean up and watch after the children. You are invited and welcome to join my discussion list: FlaVegans/ Starting next week there will appear articles, information and guides about the history and hypocrisy of ThanXgiving, as well as how to cope with the upcoming holidays. Additionally, you will find ways to fast safely and wisely. For those who wish to " celebrate " and not fast, you will find tons of recipes and tips, as well! As we ready ourselves for Fur-Free Friday, also known as " Buy Nothing Day, " I wish everyone who is willing to " take the plunge " the best of luck in a successful and quick fast, and may all of our efforts pay off! = = = = = = = = = = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Augie: I respect your beliefs - however - why not " get outside the self " if you feel this way and get involved with a program such as " The St.Judes Thanks and Giving Program " which helps children everywhere who are desperately ill and battling to stay alive. (thanksandgiving.com) Helen , " Augie " <augie1015 wrote: > > Namaste > > Oh, no! Here it comes again! Those dreaded holidays where Vegans > waffle between: > > A) Going to a family get-together and literally suffer through hours > of staring at dead carcasses, watching as others gulp down – not > chewing – these abused souls, > B) Going to a family get-together and endure all those not so casual > comments about anti-Veganism, > C) Not going to these gatherings and trying to arrange a dinner for > like-minded folks, > D) Not going to these gatherings and staying by themselves with their > Tofurkeys, > E) Not going to these gatherings and wondering if we hurt the > feelings of unconcerned/uncaring humans, > F) Not going to the dinners, but arriving afterwards for " dessert " > G) Not going to these gatherings and fasting. > > That's right! I said FASTING. > I will be fasting this ThanXgiving again - this has been a tradition > since 1998. > I hope some list members will be joining me on this day of torture, > death, greed, selfishness and debauchery by doing the same. > > My fast is in HONOR/REMEMBERENCE/REVERENCE of the MILLIONS of animals > that are tortured and abused, then slaughtered just for this one (1) > day alone in the U.S. > > I am not discussing one (1) day fasts. My fasts run from Wednesday > until Sunday. > > Fasting achieves numerous benefits. It is a wonderful way to clean out > the body as far as health is concerned. > > Spiritually, it also cleanses the soul. > > Originally, fasting was used to 'get closer to the higher being.' > > It was also used to rid sick bodies of diseases. This was copied from > watching animals when they are ill. They either eat greens or nothing > at all. > > Modern times has shown fasting to be a form of protest. > Gandhi also used fasting to bring his point across. > > My fasting tradition has came about when I could no longer go to > family gatherings for this 'holiday' and sit around a table infested > with dead carcass and by-products. > Even the 'religious' holidays were laughable as we traipsed to our > building of worship only to march back to a home full of death, > abuse and chemical irresponsibility. > > I have had numerous opportunities to join like-minded folks for a > holiday feast, but prefer to not look upon this holiday as a festive > occasion. Why? Because it also represents false facts throughout > American history. Native Americans were thwarted into slavery and > near-annihilitation by the 'white man' in the name of 'god.' Recent > findings are coming out that there was no turkey - or even any kind of > 'meat' - at the dinner; only fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains. > > Then, back to modern times, it always bothered me that after these > dinners, the male attendees would gather together in front of a > television set to watch the bloodsport known as 'football,' leaving > the women (slaves again to the 'white man') to clean up and watch > after the children. > > You are invited and welcome to join my discussion list: > FlaVegans/ > > Starting next week there will appear articles, information and guides > about the history and hypocrisy of ThanXgiving, as well as how to cope > with the upcoming holidays. > Additionally, you will find ways to fast safely and wisely. > For those who wish to " celebrate " and not fast, you will find tons of > recipes and tips, as well! > > As we ready ourselves for Fur-Free Friday, also known as " Buy Nothing > Day, " I wish everyone who is willing to " take the plunge " the best of > luck in a successful and quick fast, and may all of our efforts pay off! > > = = = = = = = = = = > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Thanksgiving doesn't have to be all about eating " carcasses " , etc. You can eat your grass and your veggies and whatever and be thankful for your health and your friends and all that God has given you. jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 I originally sent this yesterday, but it seems I am being moderated on this list. Anyhoo, St. Jude's supports organizations that test on animals. Since I am a Vegan, I cannot condone this. Years ago when St. Jude's collected holiday cards for them to re-use, I would canvas large companies and send them tons - a true way of recycling. As far as " get[ting] outside the self, " you might (or might not) be interested to know that even though animals are my main concern, I am a Red Cross Supervisor (volunteer - no $$$) which came in handy during our horrible hurricane seasons here in Sunny South Florida. Additionally, I teach Yoga for FREE for underprivileged kids during the summer break, as well as in the hospitals for the elderly and those who either are recuperating from surgery or just bad health. My day job is as an Educational Sign Language Interpreter for Deaf mainstreamed students. My discussion lists are more of a newsletter format that I send out daily with tons of information - my Karma Yoga. Every election day I bus the elderly back-n-forth so they can vote. Every year during Txgiving and Xmas I work in the neighborhood " soup kitchens " doling out horrible meals (re: meat) to the homeless. This is usually followed by my dropping off for WID (Women In Distress) as much clothing and household bric-a-brac I can find either by donation or dumpster diving. All this - besides my paying jobs (three) - doesn't allow me much more time for activities you suggest. Augie Live Simply So That Others May Simply Live Yoga-With-Nancy-SoFla/ SignSoFla/ SoFlaVegans/ SoFlaSchools/ = = = = , " helen_1947_slaughter " <helen_1947_slaughter wrote: > > Augie: I respect your beliefs - however - why not " get outside the > self " if you feel this way and get involved with a program such > as " The St.Judes Thanks and Giving Program " which helps children > everywhere who are desperately ill and battling to stay alive. > (thanksandgiving.com) Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Augie, I appreciate the things you do and you are obviously a caring person but please refrain from the " horrible " , a judgment on those who do not feel there is anything wrong with eating meat. We need to eat to live, Tibetan Buddhists eat meat, Native Americans eat it and their spiritualities are both beautiful. I have heard stories of deer offering themselves to Native Americans. I respect the animals I eat and pray for a good rebirth for them but do not in any way think it is horrible. John Augie <augie1015 Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:10:55 PM Re: An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2006 I originally sent this yesterday, but it seems I am being moderated on this list. Anyhoo, St. Jude's supports organizations that test on animals. Since I am a Vegan, I cannot condone this. Years ago when St. Jude's collected holiday cards for them to re-use, I would canvas large companies and send them tons - a true way of recycling. As far as " get[ting] outside the self, " you might (or might not) be interested to know that even though animals are my main concern, I am a Red Cross Supervisor (volunteer - no $$$) which came in handy during our horrible hurricane seasons here in Sunny South Florida. Additionally, I teach Yoga for FREE for underprivileged kids during the summer break, as well as in the hospitals for the elderly and those who either are recuperating from surgery or just bad health. My day job is as an Educational Sign Language Interpreter for Deaf mainstreamed students. My discussion lists are more of a newsletter format that I send out daily with tons of information - my Karma Yoga. Every election day I bus the elderly back-n-forth so they can vote. Every year during Txgiving and Xmas I work in the neighborhood " soup kitchens " doling out horrible meals (re: meat) to the homeless. This is usually followed by my dropping off for WID (Women In Distress) as much clothing and household bric-a-brac I can find either by donation or dumpster diving. All this - besides my paying jobs (three) - doesn't allow me much more time for activities you suggest. Augie Live Simply So That Others May Simply Live http://groups. / group/Yoga- With-Nancy- SoFla/ http://groups. / group/SignSoFla/ http://groups. / group/SoFlaVegan s/ http://groups. / group/SoFlaSchoo ls/ = = = = , " helen_1947_ slaughter " <helen_1947_ slaughter@ ...> wrote: > > Augie: I respect your beliefs - however - why not " get outside the > self " if you feel this way and get involved with a program such > as " The St.Judes Thanks and Giving Program " which helps children > everywhere who are desperately ill and battling to stay alive. > (thanksandgiving. com) Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 i have heard stories of fish offering themselves, also. animals are bits of god, just as we are, and not helpless in spirit. the law of attraction would indicate that animals are aware of being eaten as an end result of their life. the law of attraction would tell us that if we think it is terrible to kill to eat then we are attracting that experience and it will grow and provide itself over and over again. sincerely, aria John Miller <johnnyzmilleriii wrote: Augie, I appreciate the things you do and you are obviously a caring person but please refrain from the " horrible " , a judgment on those who do not feel there is anything wrong with eating meat. We need to eat to live, Tibetan Buddhists eat meat, Native Americans eat it and their spiritualities are both beautiful. I have heard stories of deer offering themselves to Native Americans. I respect the animals I eat and pray for a good rebirth for them but do not in any way think it is horrible. John Augie <augie1015 Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:10:55 PM Re: An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2006 I originally sent this yesterday, but it seems I am being moderated on this list. Anyhoo, St. Jude's supports organizations that test on animals. Since I am a Vegan, I cannot condone this. Years ago when St. Jude's collected holiday cards for them to re-use, I would canvas large companies and send them tons - a true way of recycling. As far as " get[ting] outside the self, " you might (or might not) be interested to know that even though animals are my main concern, I am a Red Cross Supervisor (volunteer - no $$$) which came in handy during our horrible hurricane seasons here in Sunny South Florida. Additionally, I teach Yoga for FREE for underprivileged kids during the summer break, as well as in the hospitals for the elderly and those who either are recuperating from surgery or just bad health. My day job is as an Educational Sign Language Interpreter for Deaf mainstreamed students. My discussion lists are more of a newsletter format that I send out daily with tons of information - my Karma Yoga. Every election day I bus the elderly back-n-forth so they can vote. Every year during Txgiving and Xmas I work in the neighborhood " soup kitchens " doling out horrible meals (re: meat) to the homeless. This is usually followed by my dropping off for WID (Women In Distress) as much clothing and household bric-a-brac I can find either by donation or dumpster diving. All this - besides my paying jobs (three) - doesn't allow me much more time for activities you suggest. Augie Live Simply So That Others May Simply Live http://groups. / group/Yoga- With-Nancy- SoFla/ http://groups. / group/SignSoFla/ http://groups. / group/SoFlaVegan s/ http://groups. / group/SoFlaSchoo ls/ = = = = , " helen_1947_ slaughter " <helen_1947_ slaughter@ ...> wrote: > > Augie: I respect your beliefs - however - why not " get outside the > self " if you feel this way and get involved with a program such > as " The St.Judes Thanks and Giving Program " which helps children > everywhere who are desperately ill and battling to stay alive. > (thanksandgiving. com) Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Augie, I respect the way you walk your talk, and totally share your disgust with the animal industry as it exists today. AND I am an omnivore. Many of our meals are vegan, especially in summer. In winter we want some more meat, which seems perfectly natural. Humans are a part of Nature's foodchain. Ask any mosquito. Life feeds on Life. Nature isn't always cute or pretty. An optimal diet depends to some degree on the latitude at which we live. Being a vegan may well be a healthy choice in Florida, but what about people in Nome or Yellowknife? A vegan Northerner would have to import tons of fresh produce, and that puts a greater burden on the planet than shooting a local moose. Have a happy fast. Ien in the Kootenays http://profiles./free_green_living Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Very well put, Ien, thanks for that. John Ieneke van Houten <ienvan Sunday, November 12, 2006 2:52:46 PM Re: Re: An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2006 Augie, I respect the way you walk your talk, and totally share your disgust with the animal industry as it exists today. AND I am an omnivore. Many of our meals are vegan, especially in summer. In winter we want some more meat, which seems perfectly natural. Humans are a part of Nature's foodchain. Ask any mosquito. Life feeds on Life. Nature isn't always cute or pretty. An optimal diet depends to some degree on the latitude at which we live. Being a vegan may well be a healthy choice in Florida, but what about people in Nome or Yellowknife? A vegan Northerner would have to import tons of fresh produce, and that puts a greater burden on the planet than shooting a local moose. Have a happy fast. Ien in the Kootenays http://profiles. / free_green_ living Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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