Where have you been? I have been there...

[Guest guest]

Well I certainly was prepared for the angry responses. After all, being a

lazy or an unskilled parent is not easy to hear. I do personally have experience

with 4 different children who were being treated with the industry's psychtropic

drugs. And your presumtuous assumption that I have done no research on the

subject may be indicative of the basis for your anger.

In North Carolina, twice I have fought the Dept. of Social(ist) Services,

in thier demand to sedate 'spirited' children. Not only did the courts find the

agency out of line to suggest the children be drugged, the courts issued an

order that the school and the DSS, cease the insistence that these children be

drugged!

Try reading Dr. Peter Breggin's books Talking Back To Ritalin and

Reclaiming Our Children. Only the U.S. and Canada accepts the diagnosis of ADD

Allow me to present an excerpt from and interview with Dr. Breggin...

 

Breggin: I’ve been even more critical of the psychiatric establishment. I’m

convinced if the psychiatrists would take a stand against the harmful effects of

these drugs, the pediatricians would fall in line because they’re psychiatric

drugs. If the psychiatrists would say: Look, let’s stop suppressing the vitality

of the children, risking their growth and development, screwing up their growth

hormones, and giving them permanent ticks, the pediatricians wouldn’t have any

ground to stand on. Let me repeat the theme of Reclaiming Our Children. It’s

time for parents to say that medical doctors don’t have the truth. The doctors

have gone over to the drug companies, and this is not the place to go if your

having trouble with your children – unless there is a physical disease like

diabetes involved – and not some fake psychiatric diagnosis like A.D.H.D. It’s

time for teachers to return to teaching and to use educational methods to engage

kids in learning. If a teacher has a

few kids in class she can’t control, because her class is too large, let her

get on the picket line and protest for better student-teacher ratios instead of

drugging her children to make her classroom quieter. And parents have to take

interest and take responsibility for their children’s behavior. They have to

reassume the basic verities of parenting and teaching and not cop out with

drugs. It’s as simple as that.

...Sorry Tint, I can only conclude that you expected me to be sitting here

throwing out baseless barbs. Are you aware that a messy bookbag or daydreaming

is enough to suggest that the children are ADD or ADHA? Einstein and Edison were

both daydreamers...would they have been as effective if they were assaulted with

mind altering drugs?

Also a book written by Jane Fendelman, MC Raising Humane Beings will help

those that need an educated alternative to the drugging.

" ADD, ADHD and Oppositional Defiance are not disorders. They are a

result . . . a normal, adaptive, evolutionary, response to a society that's

stuck on the hamster wheel. We must stop drugging our children to make them

behave. "

I do admit, my tongue in cheek reference to BRAT may have been

misconstrued as mean spirited. For those that felt it was a personal attack I

apologise.

I worked in Florida legislature for 4 years serving on the board of

directors for The National Congress for Fathers and Children and also as the

Secretary-Treasurer of the PAC for the same. I have heard the sleazy deals on

the legislature floor by all lobbies. Insurance, medical and pharmaceuticals. I

have first hand knowledge of thier intentions. Let me tell you that it is not

you or your child's well being. It is all about money.

Should you seek soothing essential oils (lavander on the pillow where

they sleep) helps calm a seemingly spirited child, you may save the child the

dilemma of choosing to rely on drugs and the medical profession to manage the

behavior or teach and practice self-control.

So yes Tint...sorry to dissappoint you with my facts. I am sure you

expected a shoot from the hip response. That is the opinion that not only I

have, but many,many experts do also. Do your research, my friend. I can send you

a plethora of research materials from those that do not seek to benefit from

thier opinions. Now where have you been Tint? So to your assumption on my

'logic' may very well show your lack of research. Maybe your opinions should be

scrutinized by the group,as we ARE seeking alternative answers while you seem to

espouse the money grubbers drug laden solutions. Take a hit of lavander and

chill out!

 

 

Tint <tints_den wrote:

David, do you have a child with ADD or do you have personal experience

with

ADD yourself? Do a little research, my friend. ADD is real. Perhaps the way

its being treated is wrong, but cannot call a well-behaved child a 'brat'

just because he/she has a neurological problem. If you have seen the

frustration a highly intelligent and active child goes through when he/she

sits and listens to an entire lesson only to find at the end that the most

important facts haven't 'connected' in the brain, you may understand. ADD

testing is a long and arduous route. Its not just diagnosed by one doctor or

pharmacist, but by a whole team of independant specialists, from

psychologists, to eye/hearing/speech specialists, to neurologists... the

list is long. Testing can take up to a year.

 

You give no logical grounds for your statements, which I find highly

offensive and emotional and 'BRATtish'. Don't brush aside very real things

experienced by very real people just because you don't believe in it

yourself or suffer with it yourself. You're entitled to your opinion without

being insulting to those who have a different opinion or knowledge of a

subject.

 

This group is about finding alternatives to drugs, not running the people

who need the drugs down. If you have an alternative therapy or healing

method for ADD, then, by all means, give that.

 

Tint~

 

----

 

David DeDominicis

06/19/06 13:51:58

 

RE: Natural Remedies for ADD , ADHD?

 

OK...here is where I get a little irritated by this so-called condition. It

has been my experience that ADD and ADHD is a manufactured condition. The

manifest being the public school systems. Our litigious society has all but

taken the tools teahcers need to control the children. The medical and

pharmacutical lobbies sensed the weakness and turned all failing doctors and

pharmacy students and made them teachers (tongue in cheek). But seriously,

the schools preach to stay away from drugs and yet teach them that to take

thier medicine is the way we get them to deal with being KIDS!!!

The latchkey society where children grow up behind computers and not out

excersizing is all but too obvious where this build up of energy and

aggression comes from. Now remember if it is a 'condition' then it must be

treated'...enter the medical industry...cha-ching. And let us not forget the

ridalin or effexor...enter the pharmacutical lobby...cha-ching!

The states that now forbid the suggestion of educators to put the children

on drugs attests to the over diagnosis and over prescibing of these drugs.

Let the children play and teach them discipline while they are young! No the

moniker for most of these kids is not ADD or ADHD it is BRAT!

 

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I believe that ADD is real - I have it myself and did not grow up behind a

computer or video game. My daughter also has ADD.

 

However, I feel no need to use medication. And, I also believe that there

are many benefits to ADD and that it's not necessarily the child who needs

to adapt or conform but that schools, etc... should be adapting to meet the

needs of children who may be more sensitive - but all children may benefit

from the changes that the child with ADD-type symptoms need.

 

I don't think that ADD is necessarily always a " disorder " so much as a

different way of being. For the most part ADD works very well for me - I

have extremely rapid thought processes and the ability to hyperfocus (ADD is

not truly an attention " deficit " as people with ADD generally have trouble

focusing when not interested BUT if they ARE interested, they have a very

intense hyperfocus) helps me to get a great deal done, when it is " on " . It

is sometimes frustrating when I need to change gears but I've been able to

work on that with energy work, bach flower remedies, and other natural

approaches that are easy, inexpensive, and have no harmful side effects.

 

People don't necessarily " need " medication - they need assistance and they

need answers, and some people will choose medication because it may feel

easiest or they may not know any differently.

 

Many of the books on ADD acknowledge that the medication won't work for all

people with ADD and that they are not a solution on their own. To my way of

thinking if it's possible that it won't work but if it doesn't, you can use

X non-medicating interventions, why not just skip ahead and go to that step

first, rather than immediately using the medication?

 

It reminds me when my first child was just started to have food other than

breastmilk and my family doctor kept pushing me to give her cow's milk and

other dairy products. I have a family history of multiple food allergies -

especially dairy - and had read a great deal that suggested that delaying

the introduction of allergens can help to prevent food allergies. I told

her that I wasn't going to try dairy products until she was 3 years old and

my doctor thought that was just awful. She went on and on about it. So

finally I said " well what if I give her dairy products and she is allergic,

what happens then? " and she said " well then you take her off them and give

her other healthy substitutes " and I said " but won't there be health

concerns if I do that? " and she said " of course not - people who are

allergic to dairy can have quite healthy diets without it, as long as they

are aware " and I said " great - so my giving her a healthy diet without dairy

now, is not a problem " . She had nothing to say to that but never brought it

up again. :-)

 

Take care,

 

Carol Ann

 

Zensight Energy Work FREE Ebook & Ecourse

www.ZensightProcess.com

 

Tint <tints_den <tints_den%40terra.com.br> > wrote:

David, do you have a child with ADD or do you have personal experience with

ADD yourself? Do a little research, my friend. ADD is real. Perhaps the way

its being treated is wrong, but cannot call a well-behaved child a 'brat'

just because he/she has a neurological problem. If you have seen the

frustration a highly intelligent and active child goes through when he/she

sits and listens to an entire lesson only to find at the end that the most

important facts haven't 'connected' in the brain, you may understand. ADD

testing is a long and arduous route. Its not just diagnosed by one doctor or

pharmacist, but by a whole team of independant specialists, from

psychologists, to eye/hearing/speech specialists, to neurologists... the

list is long. Testing can take up to a year.

 

You give no logical grounds for your statements, which I find highly

offensive and emotional and 'BRATtish'. Don't brush aside very real things

experienced by very real people just because you don't believe in it

yourself or suffer with it yourself. You're entitled to your opinion without

being insulting to those who have a different opinion or knowledge of a

subject.

 

This group is about finding alternatives to drugs, not running the people

who need the drugs down. If you have an alternative therapy or healing

method for ADD, then, by all means, give that.

 

Tint~

[Guest guest]

Well.... I'm sitting here with my mouth hanging open. Your qualifications

are??

 

For one, why do you think I am in this group? Because I believe in drugs? My

daughter is not being 'treated' at all for ADD. Her diet, exercise and

behaviour patterns are all controlled through common sense and good

management, with the occasional help from bach flower remedies and herbs.

 

I don't see, for one moment, why you had to be so insulting in your first

post or any posts afterwards. I should forward, to the group, the highly

insulting missive you mailed me privately, but then again, I won't...

because this group isn't the place for that kind of writing. Its a group

targeted at finding solutions, not stone-throwing matches.

 

In all you say here, where is your alternative solution to treating ADD

(after you told us that ADD doesn't exist and its simply our children who

have lack of self control and we who are bad parents).

 

My apologies to the rest of the group and the group owner. From here on, if

he decides to attack again, the subject will be dealt with outside of the

group. Thank you for your patience.

 

----

 

David DeDominicis

06/21/06 11:35:53

 

Where have you been? I have been there...

 

Well I certainly was prepared for the angry responses. After all, being a

lazy or an unskilled parent is not easy to hear. I do personally have

experience with 4 different children who were being treated with the

industry's psychtropic drugs. And your presumtuous assumption that I have

done no research on the subject may be indicative of the basis for your

anger.

In North Carolina, twice I have fought the Dept. of Social(ist) Services, in

thier demand to sedate 'spirited' children. Not only did the courts find the

agency out of line to suggest the children be drugged, the courts issued an

order that the school and the DSS, cease the insistence that these children

be drugged!

Try reading Dr. Peter Breggin's books Talking Back To Ritalin and Reclaiming

Our Children. Only the U.S. and Canada accepts the diagnosis of ADD Allow me

to present an excerpt from and interview with Dr. Breggin...

 

Breggin: I’ve been even more critical of the psychiatric establishment. I’m

convinced if the psychiatrists would take a stand against the harmful

effects of these drugs, the pediatricians would fall in line because they’re

psychiatric drugs. If the psychiatrists would say: Look, let’s stop

suppressing the vitality of the children, risking their growth and

development, screwing up their growth hormones, and giving them permanent

ticks, the pediatricians wouldn’t have any ground to stand on. Let me repeat

the theme of Reclaiming Our Children. It’s time for parents to say that

medical doctors don’t have the truth. The doctors have gone over to the drug

companies, and this is not the place to go if your having trouble with your

children – unless there is a physical disease like diabetes involved – and

not some fake psychiatric diagnosis like A.D.H.D. It’s time for teachers to

return to teaching and to use educational methods to engage kids in learning

If a teacher has a

few kids in class she can’t control, because her class is too large, let her

get on the picket line and protest for better student-teacher ratios instead

of drugging her children to make her classroom quieter. And parents have to

take interest and take responsibility for their children’s behavior. They

have to reassume the basic verities of parenting and teaching and not cop

out with drugs. It’s as simple as that.

....Sorry Tint, I can only conclude that you expected me to be sitting here

throwing out baseless barbs. Are you aware that a messy bookbag or

daydreaming is enough to suggest that the children are ADD or ADHA? Einstein

and Edison were both daydreamers...would they have been as effective if they

were assaulted with mind altering drugs?

Also a book written by Jane Fendelman, MC Raising Humane Beings will help

those that need an educated alternative to the drugging.

" ADD, ADHD and Oppositional Defiance are not disorders. They are a result .

. a normal, adaptive, evolutionary, response to a society that's stuck on

the hamster wheel. We must stop drugging our children to make them behave. "

I do admit, my tongue in cheek reference to BRAT may have been misconstrued

as mean spirited. For those that felt it was a personal attack I apologise.

I worked in Florida legislature for 4 years serving on the board of

directors for The National Congress for Fathers and Children and also as the

Secretary-Treasurer of the PAC for the same. I have heard the sleazy deals

on the legislature floor by all lobbies. Insurance, medical and

pharmaceuticals. I have first hand knowledge of thier intentions. Let me

tell you that it is not you or your child's well being. It is all about

money.

Should you seek soothing essential oils (lavander on the pillow where they

sleep) helps calm a seemingly spirited child, you may save the child the

dilemma of choosing to rely on drugs and the medical profession to manage

the behavior or teach and practice self-control.

So yes Tint...sorry to dissappoint you with my facts. I am sure you expected

a shoot from the hip response. That is the opinion that not only I have, but

many,many experts do also. Do your research, my friend. I can send you a

plethora of research materials from those that do not seek to benefit from

thier opinions. Now where have you been Tint? So to your assumption on my

logic' may very well show your lack of research. Maybe your opinions should

be scrutinized by the group,as we ARE seeking alternative answers while you

seem to espouse the money grubbers drug laden solutions. Take a hit of

lavander and chill out!

 

 

Tint <tints_den wrote:

David, do you have a child with ADD or do you have personal experience with

ADD yourself? Do a little research, my friend. ADD is real. Perhaps the way

its being treated is wrong, but cannot call a well-behaved child a 'brat'

just because he/she has a neurological problem. If you have seen the

frustration a highly intelligent and active child goes through when he/she

sits and listens to an entire lesson only to find at the end that the most

important facts haven't 'connected' in the brain, you may understand. ADD

testing is a long and arduous route. Its not just diagnosed by one doctor or

pharmacist, but by a whole team of independant specialists, from

psychologists, to eye/hearing/speech specialists, to neurologists... the

list is long. Testing can take up to a year.

 

You give no logical grounds for your statements, which I find highly

offensive and emotional and 'BRATtish'. Don't brush aside very real things

experienced by very real people just because you don't believe in it

yourself or suffer with it yourself. You're entitled to your opinion without

being insulting to those who have a different opinion or knowledge of a

subject.

 

This group is about finding alternatives to drugs, not running the people

who need the drugs down. If you have an alternative therapy or healing

method for ADD, then, by all means, give that.

 

Tint~

 

----

 

David DeDominicis

06/19/06 13:51:58

 

RE: Natural Remedies for ADD , ADHD?

 

OK...here is where I get a little irritated by this so-called condition. It

has been my experience that ADD and ADHD is a manufactured condition. The

manifest being the public school systems. Our litigious society has all but

taken the tools teahcers need to control the children. The medical and

pharmacutical lobbies sensed the weakness and turned all failing doctors and

pharmacy students and made them teachers (tongue in cheek). But seriously,

the schools preach to stay away from drugs and yet teach them that to take

thier medicine is the way we get them to deal with being KIDS!!!

The latchkey society where children grow up behind computers and not out

excersizing is all but too obvious where this build up of energy and

aggression comes from. Now remember if it is a 'condition' then it must be

treated'...enter the medical industry...cha-ching. And let us not forget the

ridalin or effexor...enter the pharmacutical lobby...cha-ching!

The states that now forbid the suggestion of educators to put the children

on drugs attests to the over diagnosis and over prescibing of these drugs.

Let the children play and teach them discipline while they are young! No the

moniker for most of these kids is not ADD or ADHD it is BRAT!

 

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Dave and Tint are BOTH right.

ADHD is real. And it is grossly over diagnosed.

 

My working hypothesis at the moment is:

We have REAL ADD, and false ADD,

that is, ADD symptoms that go away if a certain

condition is met.

 

Real ADD is an organic brain disorder.

Then there are many conditions that

cause ADD symptoms. Allergies among them.

 

But to complicate things, many people with

" true ADD " are also allergic, and/or prone to

hypoglycemia, and a host of other things that

can either mimic ADD, OR make true ADD worse.

 

The problem is that someone like Dr. Doris Rapp,

who works with the allergy/brain connection, will

then state that " ADD is NOTHING BUT allergies. "

 

Ditto for candida, hypoglycemia, different learning

styles, inconsistent parenting, not enough sleep, etc.

They all play a role. But the " ADD is nothing but "

statement really gets people's hackles up.

 

ADD is a puzzle with many pieces.

It seems that every researcher who contributes

a piece promptly concludes that he has solved

the whole puzzle. And then the ADD community

gets all defensive and refuses to look at the

piece at all.

 

Why do people have such a hard time thinking

and/and, rather than either/or?

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://profiles./free_green_living

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

If I dare chip in on this subject,

 

What is the little guys or gals main interests at the moment, what

holds their attentions above all else?

 

In my experience if they are allowed to focus and concentrate on

something they enjoy, if you can find a way to incorporate other

aspects into their interest then you bypass a significant part of

the problem. For example, my daughter needed to learn french but

loved the muppets. We got her Sesame St in french...... she speaks

more now than I do....

 

, " Ieneke van Houten "

<ienvan wrote:

>

>

> Dave and Tint are BOTH right.

> ADHD is real. And it is grossly over diagnosed.

>

> My working hypothesis at the moment is:

> We have REAL ADD, and false ADD,

> that is, ADD symptoms that go away if a certain

> condition is met.

>

> Real ADD is an organic brain disorder.

> Then there are many conditions that

> cause ADD symptoms. Allergies among them.

>

> But to complicate things, many people with

> " true ADD " are also allergic, and/or prone to

> hypoglycemia, and a host of other things that

> can either mimic ADD, OR make true ADD worse.

>

> The problem is that someone like Dr. Doris Rapp,

> who works with the allergy/brain connection, will

> then state that " ADD is NOTHING BUT allergies. "

>

> Ditto for candida, hypoglycemia, different learning

> styles, inconsistent parenting, not enough sleep, etc.

> They all play a role. But the " ADD is nothing but "

> statement really gets people's hackles up.

>

> ADD is a puzzle with many pieces.

> It seems that every researcher who contributes

> a piece promptly concludes that he has solved

> the whole puzzle. And then the ADD community

> gets all defensive and refuses to look at the

> piece at all.

>

> Why do people have such a hard time thinking

> and/and, rather than either/or?

>

> Ien in the Kootenays

> http://profiles./free_green_living

>

>

>

>

>