4 Frank appreciate some advise about drug WD center intentions

August 17, 2003

Frank.

1st, thankyou so much for that long letter, I wasent expecting it. A spot on

reply, and quite honestly what I susspected. Having followed 4 differant groups

(benzo and ad) for 4 years did give me more insite than the average Doc, or

member of public.

Did not realise however that Ads can take longer than benzos to get over.. Ive

been in and out of so called proffetional esstablishments 6 times over the past

3 years, though this problem has lasted 5 in total so far. As you so rightful

pointed out, one drug to cover another ect ect (at the worst point 4 at the same

time). Then of course theres all who care about me saying that I should trust

the medical proffession.. my last vistit to a psy ward was due to having taken

sam-e and very high dose vitb complex for helping Zoloft WD. It over exited me

and when I stopped became very ill indeed. Was informed that infact high dose

vitbs can cause brain dammage, which is exactly how it felt. Is this true or

just more missleading medical advise?

The proffeser of the clinique herd what I had to say, and he said that the only

choise he had as far as giving me something that would not harm my brain

anyfurther was an AD called Moclamine (a selective MAOI). He told me that there

were very little, if any WDs involved or risk of damage, but that due to the

mildness of this med it was not very affective against deppression (he mentioned

that it was not like the old MAOIs which apparently were hard to stop).

He also put me on lithium 400mg. What do you think about these? Its true as I

can contest, the Moclamine was not very affective, though took the edge off the

deppression, and was very easy to stop, also got the imppression that the

dammage underneath was still healing itself.. the Lithium did work after a long

time, but got some bad side effects, but was also relitivly easy to stop. Is it

safe to go back on eigther of these, or is there another way?

Am of course willing to accept that theres nothing I can do but to live with

this deppression for I dont know how long, but as mentioned, my phisical health

is at risk due to the deppression seeming to 'eat' all my energys, ie evon if I

eat still keep loosing weight, and sevear deppression is, shall we say very

difficult to live with for months on end; infact evon an hour at this level is

enough to make you have 'black' thoughts if u see what I mean.

Again, many thanks for your reply. It was reasurring to talk to hear from some

one other than a shrink in so long, as I havent writen to any of the groups in

allmost 7 months.

Jason

califpacific <califpacific wrote:

Hello Jason,

The inpatient drug treatment programs are almost always a very short

taper which with benzos and antidepressants is about equal to a cold

turkey solution.

The inpatient treatment programs hardly ever go beyond thirty days

and the withdrawal is just building a head of steam at that point for

these drugs. The withdrawal from benzos can be a year or more. As for

the Antideps, it can take a few years for some to right their brain

chemicals again.

These programs are not designed to get you off safely. They are

designed to be very profitable for the hospital or whatever they call

their facility. Your welfare is way down on their list of priorities.

The only treatment they offer is usually another chemical to help

cover the horrible symptoms of withdrawal that these drugs cause. The

problem is that the person has just swithched chemicals and is just

covering up the damage by suppressing the symptoms, but it does not

heal and will reoccur when the person tries to get off that which was

used to cover them up.

The only real healing takes place when the body is fortified with

libral amounts of what it needs to heal. Amino acids to make

nuerotransmitters, vitamins to heal, omega lll fatty acids to rebuild

myelin, lots of vitamin C to carry away all the stored toxic

byproducts of taking this crap, vitamin E to heal, niacin to detox

the toxins, and many others not listed.

Will these nutrients stop the pain and cover the symptoms of

withdrawal or toxic damage? Unfortunately No they will not. Some will

lessen the symptoms considerably if taken in large amounts. That is

not the answer most people want, so they move from one drug to

another, at their doctors urging, hoping to avoid the inevitable

symptoms and just get further and further into being sucked into a

drug whirlwind nightmare. The doctors will keep prescribing and

telling you that they are experts. Maybe experts at bullshitting, but

most of them don't have a clue what these drugs do or how to get you

off of them. They damage the hell out of people almost at every turn.

Basically most are nothing more than licensed drug dealers, whether

they are pushing a heart pill or this type of dope. Almost all do

nothing more than cover up the symptom and cause further damage.

I am sure that you are somewhat familiar with the Ashton manual for

tapering off of benzos. Well the same principle holds true for the

antideps. It usually has to be a long slow taper to allow the brain

to rebalance gradually as it is able to.

Read all of the links and read as many of the messages in the

archives about these drugs as you can stand and you will be in better

shape, knowledge wise, than 99% of the people who try and come off

these drugs and probably almost the same amount of doctors.

Good luck,

Frank

, jason adams

wrote:

>

> Hello all

>

> This is the first time Ive writen to this group, but have been

member of various groups, including this one, for 4 years.

>

> Irll try to make this short. Am considering putting myself into a

clinique specializing in medication related problems. In essance I

started with a benzo problem, and to get off that was put on many

ad's. The ad,s then became the problem, and to try to stop these I

took various substances advised by various groups. Unfortunatly some

of these substances damaged me as badly as the drugs I took them to

stop. Found myself back in a nut house april of this year. Was there

3 months, and back on ADs, but they hurt me all over again, and still

suffing from the alternatives that were taken last december. The

deppression/ weakness/sickness are so bad can hardly

talk/eat/function at all. Have been advised to go to the only

clinique in france that specializes in medication withdrawal. What do

you surgest/think?

>

> Stopped benzos 2 years ago, and ads a few days ago, but am so ill

that cant just do nothing as am loosing weight fast (57kg for 1m76).

>

> Thanks for any advise.

>

August 17, 2003

--- Hello Jason, I often wonder - why it is - that we have so much

(materialistically speaking) in the 'modern world' but ... far too many people

*suffer* with anxiety/depression dis-orders !

I had some experience with drugs in the 1960s (whenever that was) mainly

cannabis, LSD, amphetamines, barbiturates, cough mixture! (morphine), never

touched coke or H though - which is wreaking so many lives today.

You've got a journey to make Jason, and in the final analysis only you can do it

but - you've gotta want it real bad - and I think you are ready.

So, if your 'doing' coffee - kick it, but do it slowly ... same goes for sugar -

all sugar.

Don't touch alcohol *at all* ... try to avoid stress n' stressful situations -

not easy in this world I know.

I wouldn't feel easy recommending supplements in your situation but - take on

board what other people have tried with success and do your own research on the

world wide.

Lastly, we are to a certain extent - what we eat (and drink) which brings me to

the main purpose of this reply ... I would suggest you search this site

throughout - http://www.foodandmood.org/Pages/didyou1.html

Kind regards - Ray.

jason adams

Sunday, August 17, 2003 12:37 AM

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