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Ok, heres how it goes. Am so ill at presant (mixture of underlying dammage from

last xmas) and the drugs they put me on recently. To be more presice, Laroxile

(alis Amtripraline), then Athymil to try to get off that, then Doxapine. Tryed

getting off the Doxapine with Athymil, then vise versa. Was on very low Doxapine

(4 drops) but evon this amount has had terrible effects. Tryed stopping the

Doxapine 5 days ago and now am seavearly deppressed/anxious (was before I

started taking it from the other meds before), very weak/heavy, have cramps,

intence pain all over, and feel very violent and agressive, also want to be sick

all the time with intence vertigo, and getting strange iching skin. Borderline

psychotic type stuff.

 

I need to take something or will find myself back in hospital with in a few days

(again). Its sunday everything is closed. I have to hand : Immuacal, Omega3/6

pills, St johns wort, Inositol, and I think a bottle of L-Tyrosine. All of this

was bought on the net from the States and sent to france between 6 months and a

year ago (most of these things are not available in france), last time tryed

coming off meds infact. Dont know what to take or do. Please help, am very

scared of what may happen in the next few days.

 

Jason

 

 

 

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Jason,

 

I do not know when you started taper, over what period of time, how

fast it was etc.

 

I think that you need the help of the benzo and anti depressant

forums. We try and educate people about these drugs but the real

intense support is in those groups.

 

I cannot tell you what is right for you or what to do, If it were me,

I would go back on whatever the last medicine was, try and

restabalize on it and then retaper very slowly. This the basically

the same advise that I have said all along.

 

You must learn about these drugs to the point that you undertsand

what is happening in your body. If you understand what is going on it

is not so scary. And you can control somewhat what is happening.

 

You must control the taper, not the doctors, over a long period of

time to allow you to adjust it to keep the symptoms under control

somewhat. When you make a small cut in dosage, with antideps, you

will have to wait a couple of weeks to expect to see what the results

in symptoms are going to be. If they get too bad, you take a little

more etc.

 

Why did you take all those medicines one on top of another from

doctors to cover? You say that you have been a member of the benzo

group and the antidep groups for many years, why would you keep

taking other drugs? Didn't you read about tapering? If not get the

Ashton Manual from someone on the benzo group. I think that they will

give it to you for a few dollars ot even free. It is on benzos which

have a more immediate effect between dosage and withdrawal symptoms.

For most people, antidepressants usually take longer to have a cause

and effect so it usually should be even slower.

 

Contact Lynn at SSRI research.

The link is on our links page. She has found some things which help

to deal with the wihtdrawal symptoms, but the taper is very important

in trying to give your brain chemistry a gradual pace to allow it to

readjust over a long period of time as you reduce your dosage.

 

I wish that I had a magic pill that I could recommend. I do not. The

doctors say they do. Here take this we are experts in magic pills. It

isn't so and it usually is worse than the original complaint.

 

Your brain can adjust your brain chemicals very well if it gets the

basic building blocks (many different nutrients). It is just that

these drugs are an assualt on that chemistry and the chemical control

mechanisms. It will take time for your body and brain to clear and re

right itself. When a person keeps putting in more chemicals, it

cannot do so.

 

The long slow taper is the best that I know in having some control

over the severity of the symptoms.

 

Lynn in the SSRI research group can tell you of some things that will

help restore that balance and help dampen the severity also.

 

I keep saying that there are a lot of messages in the archives and

the links, but I do not think that you have read them at this point.

I get the impression that you want us to recommend a pill that will

cover up the withdrawal symptoms no matter what and that isn't quite

feasable.

 

Many people do get off these drugs. Some easier than others. It seems

that the ones who get the best are those who self educate themselves

about these drugs and who control their own taper to control their

own symptoms etc.

 

I suggest that you reeducate yourself about these drugs. Not just

that they are bad for you, but how they work or don't work depending

on your point of view. What neurotransmitters are involved. What

nutrients affect those neurotransmitters. What are the usual

experiences of people who are tapering and getting off to use as

general guidelines so that you can adjust them to you personally, etc.

 

I doubt if this letter is what you want, but I am trying to tell you

the truth as I understand it.

 

Frank

 

 

 

, jason adams

<jadamsfr2> wrote:

>

> Ok, heres how it goes. Am so ill at presant (mixture of underlying

dammage from last xmas) and the drugs they put me on recently. To be

more presice, Laroxile (alis Amtripraline), then Athymil to try to

get off that, then Doxapine. Tryed getting off the Doxapine with

Athymil, then vise versa. Was on very low Doxapine (4 drops) but evon

this amount has had terrible effects. Tryed stopping the Doxapine 5

days ago and now am seavearly deppressed/anxious (was before I

started taking it from the other meds before), very weak/heavy, have

cramps, intence pain all over, and feel very violent and agressive,

also want to be sick all the time with intence vertigo, and getting

strange iching skin. Borderline psychotic type stuff.

>

> I need to take something or will find myself back in hospital with

in a few days (again). Its sunday everything is closed. I have to

hand : Immuacal, Omega3/6 pills, St johns wort, Inositol, and I

think a bottle of L-Tyrosine. All of this was bought on the net from

the States and sent to france between 6 months and a year ago (most

of these things are not available in france), last time tryed coming

off meds infact. Dont know what to take or do. Please help, am very

scared of what may happen in the next few days.

>

> Jason

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<jadamsfr2> wrote:

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> Ok, heres how it goes. Am so ill at presant (mixture of underlying

dammage from last xmas) and the drugs they put me on recently. To be

more presice, Laroxile (alis Amtripraline), then Athymil to try to

get off that, then Doxapine. Tryed getting off the Doxapine with

Athymil, then vise versa. Was on very low Doxapine (4 drops) but

evon this amount has had terrible effects. Tryed stopping the

Doxapine 5 days ago and now am seavearly deppressed/anxious (was

before I started taking it from the other meds before), very

weak/heavy, have cramps, intence pain all over, and feel very

violent and agressive, also want to be sick all the time with

intence vertigo, and getting strange iching skin. Borderline

psychotic type stuff.

>

> I need to take something or will find myself back in hospital with

in a few days (again). Its sunday everything is closed. I have to

hand : Immuacal, Omega3/6 pills, St johns wort, Inositol, and I

think a bottle of L-Tyrosine. All of this was bought on the net from

the States and sent to france between 6 months and a year ago (most

of these things are not available in france), last time tryed coming

off meds infact. Dont know what to take or do. Please help, am very

scared of what may happen in the next few days.

>

> Jason

 

Jason,

My advice to you at this point in time would be not to panic. I

know, better said than done. Just try to maintain a good nutritional

profile by following an organic diet if organics are available in

your country. If not eat a wide variety of fruits and vegetables,

alaskan salmon and sardines(preferably in water). If you have a

juicer handy you might juice as well. The health of your brain is

dependent on how many fatty acids you are giving it daily.

The other dietary options would be to eat some raw nuts (no dry

roasted please). The very best ones would be almonds, brazils (for

their selenium content) cashews and organic eggs. Also if you take

at least 200 mcgs of selenium each day supplmentally it helps with

detox.

 

You most definitely need a good detox to get all those poisons you

have been ingesting out of your system! If you can obtain Essiac tea

please do so. It is also sold under the name of Floressence and is

available in most health food stores. It provides an excellent detox.

Although I have no idea what brands of essential fatty acids you

have in your hand, I know that the efficacy of those depend largely

on the brand/source. At this moment in time the fresh fatty acids

you get in alaskan salmon (either canned or fresh) and sardines will

provide more benefit.

There is a website devoted to getting you off benzos. We had some

family members who were addicted to them. It just depends on which

ones you're taking and how long you've been taking them as to the

degree of hold they have over you. The ones I'm familiar with are

ativan and xanax. This can be done however it takes a period of time

and a lot of patience. Once this is accomplished you will feel like

a free individual again. The people I've observed have really gotten

their life back. It is well worth the effort. Don't give up, just

perservere and you will make it!

Just don't rely on the doctors to help you with withdrawal. If you

have a problem they only offer more drugs. Don't fall for it!!! One

drug cannot replace another. There is none that work contrary to

popular opinion.

 

Best of Luck with it all,

JoAnn