Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Re: zoloft advice needed Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:57:48 -0700 steve Dear Steve, Somehow your message was approved by a moderator here, although it does not belong on this board. I think that it would be more appropriate for the big pharma board. We are here to use alternatives, not to promote drugs. Everyone certainly has the right to take whatever route and whatever medicines they want, but the purpose of this board is to show the dangers of most of those medicines and that alternatives do work better. I wil try and answer some of the things that you mentioned in your post, but we are dealing with such a large subject and a large body of evidence, that it is impossible to cover much without going back to include thousands of messages that are archived in this group. I would say try L-tryptophan. I've taken as much 7 grams/day to replace Paxil and it worked well and I loved there being no side effects except that taking it as a powder is nasty tasting. Unfortunaly, insurance doesn't pay for L-tryptophan and it can be hard to get although there are good sources online depending on your country. I have tried lots of different forms of alternative medicinal choices trying to resolve this with not a lot of luck. L-tryptophan may shorten lifespan, at least it does in rodent models so I've cut back a lot. Tryptophan is indicated for many things, depression, sleep, anxiety, etc., what the average person is dealing with when changing or coming off of one of the SSRI's like Paxil in not depression etc, but addiction and a scrambling of the neurotransmitters. To expect tryptophan to cover up all of that is expecting way too much although it is very good for the depression etc.. It isn't too much of a surprise to hear people say. " It is the only thing that works for me right now " etc. If someone is addicted to a certain substance, yes, it usually requires that substance to stop the addiction symptoms. I suggest that you learn about addiction and what is the real story on psychotropic drugs. There are a lot of links on our links page and about a million messages on this subject in our archives. As for reading studies. There are millions out there financed by the druggies and a person can usually find one to say whatever good they want to hear about whatever chemo pharmacuetical toxin. The secret is to be able to read between the lines with most studies, who financed them and why, what was the motives of the researchers, what connections to the drug industry etc. It is usually a big mistake to take them as gospel when it comes to your health. So, to get to the meat and potatoes of this message. I hope that you do read the links and archives, so you can get a commercially unbiased opinion of these drugs. If you then find that you are a believer in the drug route, you just may be in the wrong group here. I also do not believe that you can mix and match drugs and naturals like you are proposing. The whole concept is diametrically opposed to each other. One is a toxin suppressing the symptoms and the other is trying to correct the damage from toxins or an imbalance or deficiency. They are working at crosspurposes. Frank Kava Kava was good for anxiety and nervousness. St John's Wort, which I bought with two forms of standardization didn't do anything for me. Lemon Balm seems to have some positive effects which I wasn't expecting. I am trying it because of the studies on memory that came out positive. I've tried another 12 or so things that report to help with anxiety and stress but with out finding anything I'm really happy with or that had much of an effect so I went back to paxil and stick with the smallest dose of Paxil and some L-Trytophan for my best results. As to zoloft, me wife found that it stopped working well and increasing it brought bad results so she was switched to Efexor® (Venlafaxine). This is not just an SSRI but is a noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor as well which will give you more energy. She got the extend release version and it work well for her including giving her more energy. I'd like to say that there is a natural solution but but I haven't personally found one that works for me or that I'm all the way confortable with. Now, I have heard that going on an Atkins diet helps quite a few people here but I haven't personally tried that ....... yet. -- Steve " Knowledge of the world has its roots in those who dare to be different. " -- Joje Reyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Sorry about the last message, And the need to repost. I used a different way to differentiate between the two messages but it did not survive the server and came out being hard to tell exactely which message was written by whom. Frank , Frank <califpacific> wrote: Re: zoloft advice needed Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:57:48 -0700 steve Dear Steve, Somehow your message was approved by a moderator here, although it does not belong on this board. I think that it would be more appropriate for the big pharma board. We are here to use alternatives, not to promote drugs. Everyone certainly has the right to take whatever route and whatever medicines they want, but the purpose of this board is to show the dangers of most of those medicines and that alternatives do work better. I wil try and answer some of the things that you mentioned in your post, but we are dealing with such a large subject and a large body of evidence, that it is impossible to cover much without going back to include thousands of messages that are archived in this group. --------------------------- (first part of original message) <I would say try L-tryptophan. I've taken as much 7 grams/day to replace Paxil and it worked well and I loved there being no side effects except that taking it as a powder is nasty tasting. Unfortunaly, insurance doesn't pay for L-tryptophan and it can be hard to get although there are good sources online depending on your country. I have tried lots of different forms of alternative medicinal choices trying to resolve this with not a lot of luck. L-tryptophan may shorten lifespan, at least it does in rodent models so I've cut back a lot.> - Tryptophan is indicated for many things, depression, sleep, anxiety, etc., what the average person is dealing with when changing or coming off of one of the SSRI's like Paxil in not depression etc, but addiction and a scrambling of the neurotransmitters. To expect tryptophan to cover up all of that is expecting way too much although it is very good for the depression etc.. It isn't too much of a surprise to hear people say. " It is the only thing that works for me right now " etc. If someone is addicted to a certain substance, yes, it usually requires that substance to stop the addiction symptoms. I suggest that you learn about addiction and what is the real story on psychotropic drugs. There are a lot of links on our links page and about a million messages on this subject in our archives. As for reading studies. There are millions out there financed by the druggies and a person can usually find one to say whatever good they want to hear about whatever chemo pharmacuetical toxin. The secret is to be able to read between the lines with most studies, who financed them and why, what was the motives of the researchers, what connections to the drug industry etc. It is usually a big mistake to take them as gospel when it comes to your health. So, to get to the meat and potatoes of this message. I hope that you do read the links and archives, so you can get a commercially unbiased opinion of these drugs. If you then find that you are a believer in the drug route, you just may be in the wrong group here. I also do not believe that you can mix and match drugs and naturals like you are proposing. The whole concept is diametrically opposed to each other. One is a toxin suppressing the symptoms and the other is trying to correct the damage from toxins or an imbalance or deficiency. They are working at crosspurposes. Frank - (continuation of original message) <Kava Kava was good for anxiety and nervousness. St John's Wort, which I bought with two forms of standardization didn't do anything for me. Lemon Balm seems to have some positive effects which I wasn't expecting. I am trying it because of the studies on memory that came out positive. I've tried another 12 or so things that report to help with anxiety and stress but with out finding anything I'm really happy with or that had much of an effect so I went back to paxil and stick with the smallest dose of Paxil and some L-Trytophan for my best results. As to zoloft, me wife found that it stopped working well and increasing it brought bad results so she was switched to Efexor® (Venlafaxine). This is not just an SSRI but is a noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor as well which will give you more energy. She got the extend release version and it work well for her including giving her more energy. I'd like to say that there is a natural solution but but I haven't personally found one that works for me or that I'm all the way confortable with. Now, I have heard that going on an Atkins diet helps quite a few people here but I haven't personally tried that ....... yet. -- Steve " Knowledge of the world has its roots in those who dare to be different. " -- Joje Reyes> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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