Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Hello - I just joined here - my husband was diagnosed with small cell lung cancer April 5th, met'z to brain - a single tumor which was completely removed on April 15th at MSK in NYC. since then we have been using flaxseedoil/cottage cheese, immune boosting supplements, given up sugar and all refined processed whites etc. Because small cell is a very fast spreading cancer we have used Insulin Potentalizing therapy - thats a 10% dose of chemo given after insulin (cancer cells have more insulin receptors then normal cells - tricks them into 'drawing' chemo into themselves and spares the rest of the body and cells.) He has had a total of 7 IPT treatments (my feeling is thats enough if there is no growth)- MRIs since surgery (last one 6 weeks ago) show 'clear' - CTscans since diagnosis and treatment - show 'no growth' at all in the cancer - AMAS test has gone from 154 to 57 - (under 100 is supposed to be normal) which indicates no cancer activity. We are surmising that the cancer tumor is dying off - so the body is going thru a terrible period of detoxifying, both of the dead tumor cells/matter and the actual chemo drugs and other drugs he received back when diagnosed (decadron @ 16 mg per diem, morphine before surgery - also had pneumonia and antibiotics for that) My question is does anyone have anything that might help him with the headache he has right now - it's like a migraine - will not respond to anything the dr. prescribed (ultrecet, immetrex, vicaprofin) - he is taking ibuprofin every four hours.....and basically wants to die. I'm serious - he is totally wiped out, deeply depressed and doesn't want to eat etc. the reason we got 'here' in the first place is because he has a very low threshold for suffering - ie: he could not quite smoking altho he tried on many occassions over a 40 odd year period of time - he could not stand the withdrawal symptoms from quitting smoking. It was too hard for him to endure and he always gave up in a dy or two. I am very concerned that we are not 'misreading' this as a detox (have been told that dead cancer is very hard on the body to get rid of). Would have run to hospital for MRI - but it is a holiday weekend and I know for a fact they cannot do an MRI here until Monday - (hospitals are not what they used to be -) Any advice or insight would be appreciated. thank you, jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 , " JanPM " <pipersmama> wrote: > Hello - I just joined here - my husband was diagnosed with small cell > lung cancer April 5th, met'z to brain - a single tumor which was > completely removed on April 15th at MSK in NYC. since then we have > been using flaxseedoil/cottage cheese, the reason we got 'here' in the first place is because he has a very low threshold for suffering - ie: he could not quite smoking altho he > tried on many occassions over a 40 odd year period of time - he could not stand the withdrawal symptoms from quitting smoking. It was > Any advice or insight would be appreciated. thank you, jan Jan, Selenium and Zinc in the proper dosages will speed up the removal of toxins from his system. Although some cancer patients use 400 mcgs for this, it depends on the brands used also and their potency. find a good health food store brand. Bromelain was quite effective for my pain before and after cyst removal. Fresh juiced pineapple is the most effective. Bromelain supplements are fine for this also, however pineapple is highest in enzymes when freshly juiced. Try a good natural progesterone cream. Dab it on his temples. This works for both men and women as hormones are problematic in headaches. Lorraine Day, trauma surgeon and former cancer patient relieved her headaches during recovery drinking a gallon of spring water each hour. This works very well in addition to the pineapples.Feverfew is wonderful for alleviating headaches as well. This is just off the top of my head. I will do a search for you. I can relate to the smoking bit. My hubby has the same problem. The supplements help to pass the toxins more rapidly out of the system. Barleygreen or Barleylife promotes toxin removal. I have friends who survived chemo by taking these green drinks. Accept no substitute!... my personal opinion. The SOD in Barleygreen aids in swift removal of toxins as well. I used it to overcome heart disease and its quite useful in all types of cancer as well! The insulin they are using... It may be genetically altered according to Dr. Balch, alternative physician. If this is true and much of it is, this could pose a further problem. i hope for your sake it's not! Hugs, JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Thank you both - I am trying some of the suggestions tonight, more tomorrow - but I so appreciate your answers to me, I really need help and the dr. is still not home, bad timing, holidays and hurting patients do not go well together. thanks again, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Dear Jan, Welcome to the group. If you will go to the home page of the group and click onto " links " , you will find our links library. There are many links there to alternate cancer inormation. / The address is also at the bottom of every message from the group. You can also go to the archives of group messages stored there and search on any subject for past messages. From the information that you gave, it would be quite hard to determine the cause of the headaches. As you are aware, when it comes to cancer, this disease is in a league all of it's own. It is an area that does not provide any easy answers. Although it is a time when a person would need the greatest outside help, the doctors are usually pretty useless when it comes to information on nondamaging alternate approaches. To help you and your husband learn everything you can (and become your own doctor) we try and provide as many links to cancer information as possible. May I suggest that for any detox, from any toxic substances ( drugs included) that vitamin C should be given in very high doses along with any other supplements. I would also supplement with high doses of vitamin " E " to protect the cells when taking any toxic drugs. I would also use other supplements to detox and fight the cancer. The links once again cover many different things. You will also find much information on various alternate treatments there. good luck, Frank , " JanPM " <pipersmama> wrote: > Hello - I just joined here - my husband was diagnosed with small cell > lung cancer April 5th, met'z to brain - a single tumor which was > completely removed on April 15th at MSK in NYC. since then we have > been using flaxseedoil/cottage cheese, immune boosting supplements, > given up sugar and all refined processed whites etc. Because small > cell is a very fast spreading cancer we have used Insulin > Potentalizing therapy - thats a 10% dose of chemo given after insulin > (cancer cells have more insulin receptors then normal cells - tricks > them into 'drawing' chemo into themselves and spares the rest of the > body and cells.) He has had a total of 7 IPT treatments (my feeling > is thats enough if there is no growth)- MRIs since surgery (last one 6 > weeks ago) show 'clear' - CTscans since diagnosis and treatment - > show 'no growth' at all in the cancer - AMAS test has gone from 154 to > 57 - (under 100 is supposed to be normal) which indicates no cancer > activity. We are surmising that the cancer tumor is dying off - so > the body is going thru a terrible period of detoxifying, both of the > dead tumor cells/matter and the actual chemo drugs and other drugs he > received back when diagnosed (decadron @ 16 mg per diem, morphine > before surgery - also had pneumonia and antibiotics for that) > > My question is does anyone have anything that might help him with the > headache he has right now - it's like a migraine - will not respond to > anything the dr. prescribed (ultrecet, immetrex, vicaprofin) - he is > taking ibuprofin every four hours.....and basically wants to die. > I'm serious - he is totally wiped out, deeply depressed and doesn't > want to eat etc. > > the reason we got 'here' in the first place is because he has a very > low threshold for suffering - ie: he could not quite smoking altho he > tried on many occassions over a 40 odd year period of time - he could > not stand the withdrawal symptoms from quitting smoking. It was too > hard for him to endure and he always gave up in a dy or two. > > I am very concerned that we are not 'misreading' this as a detox (have > been told that dead cancer is very hard on the body to get rid of). > > Would have run to hospital for MRI - but it is a holiday weekend and I > know for a fact they cannot do an MRI here until Monday - (hospitals > are not what they used to be -) > > Any advice or insight would be appreciated. thank you, jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 , MarthaRolfe@a... wrote: > In a message dated 06/07/03 00:55:40 GMT Daylight Time, > angelprincessjo writes: > > > > Lorraine Day, trauma surgeon and former cancer patient > > relieved her headaches during recovery drinking a gallon of spring > > water each hour. > > I'm not v. informed, but I THINK you have to mix the water with a certain > amount of salt (not too much but some) so maybe you should just check. > > marti > As in Morton's? never! <LOL Now Celtic seasalt perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 Thank you Anna - we have been using FO/CC for the past few months, and have removed all the 'whites' (sugar, refined stuff etc) as well. I beleive in the principals of Dr. Budwig and also think the my husband may be able to stop IPT even tho its low dose chemo - it is still chemo - and 'just' use FO/CC along with good immune boosting supplements etc. At the moment tho we are having big trouble with the headach - I took him to ER yesterday at dr's recommendation to get a shot of demoral and combine anti-nauesea in it - to relieve headache. it hardley touched the headach, so we permitted a CT scan (without dye) that showed he has some 'slight' edema. The radiologist did not know he had surgery recently, that a tumor was removed - so altho the radiologist did not see a tumor he suggested a follow up MRI as soon as it could be tolerated (hard to have 45 minute MRI which 'booms' while suffering excruciating headache) So - dr gave him script for percaset - gave two after we got home (he threw up before that from the demoral tho) - the percaset did nothing to help. I called our dr and finally got him at ten - he said to give 4 mg of decadrone (steroid - my husband hates them and is so sensitive to them it is unbelievable) but dr felt we HAD to get the edema down so the headach could subside a bit. we do not know what caused the 'slight edema' now - gave him the 4 mg decadrone last night and he slept the whole night so the pain must have been better - BUT - woke up and had headache back - I gave him half a dec. (2 mg) aslong with ibuprofin he is miserable -the headache is still there (certain the edema is still there as well) but along with it the steroids are inducing wild and deep mood swings and fear. waiting for the dr to phone again - wish I knew something to relieve the pressure/edema quickly and without the steroid. thanks for you imput - much appreciated, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 I'm not the first to suggest on this list that you look into a method that incorporates Traditional . Based on your husband's pulse, tongue, tone of voice, skin tone and quality et cetera an assessment of his balance can be made and acupuncture points can be chosen that not only alleviate his immediate pains but also help support him in his quest to a lifestyle that will help him heal himself. My practice is Asian Bodywork Therapy. I specialize in shiatsu. Yes, there are acupuncture points one can use to address migraines and detoxification but unless I had physical access to your husband I couldn't honestly judge which one would be most appropriate and, in my craft, the technique of presentation is just as important as the theory behind it. My suggestion to you is find an acupuncturist or DOM (Doctor of Oriental Medicine, which is not the same as a medical doctor who also uses acupuncture). Many insurance policies will pay for this. If you live near a city that has an acupuncture school, another avenue to take is to contact them and see if any of their advanced students are working on a project such as your husband's. An added benefit of this might be that it not only might cost you next to nothing, but a student might be willing to accompany your husband to the hospital to support his Western medical procedures with TCM. One more thing, whether or not if your husband agrees to integrate some TCM into his tools of healing, you might look into this for support of your own quality of life while you accompany him with this. Blessed keep, penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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