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News Update from The Campaign

Bush speaks out against EU position on GE foods

 

News Update From The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods

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Dear News Update Subscribers,

 

President Bush spoke out about genetically engineered foods in a

commencement speech on Wednesday at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy.

 

He charged that the European Union (EU) moratorium on genetically

engineered foods is hindering efforts to fight hunger in Africa.

 

Bush claimed that the EU concerns about genetically engineered foods

were from " unfounded, unscientific fears. "

 

As we reported last week, the United States has filed a World Trade

Organization (WTO) case against the EU over their moratorium on

genetically engineered foods. This speech on Wednesday was the first

time President Bush has publicly spoken out against the EU on this

matter.

 

THE CAMPAIGN'S POSITION ON WORLD HUNGER AND GE FOODS

 

The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods disagrees that

genetically engineered foods are a viable solution to world hunger.

Biotech companies, and now President Bush, like to make that argument

since it pulls at our heartstrings. But it is an oversimplification of

the problem. Please allow us to explain why.

 

Currently about 30,000 people starve to death every day on planet earth.

However, this is occurring at a time when there is plenty of food

available on the planet. So why are people starving if there is plenty

of food being grown?

 

The reason people are starving is that the food is not reaching them. It

is a sad tragedy that food is being used as a tool of civil war in many

countries. And poverty often prevents people from buying food that would

otherwise be available.

 

Genetically engineered foods will not stop the civil wars and take care

of the poverty that is behind much of the world hunger and starvation..

 

In the case of the recent droughts in Africa, counties like Zimbabwe

asked for the genetically engineered corn offered by the United States

to be ground up so it would not be planted and contaminate native

varieties. However, the U.S. refused to grind up the corn.

 

Many people feel this refusal to mill the corn was an attempt by the

U.S. to deliberately cause the native species to become contaminated

with genetically engineered DNA. Corn is the number one crop in

Zimbabwe.

 

When African countries get adequate rainfall they do export to

nations that will not accept crops that contain genetically engineered

genes. The United States should respect the request of African nations

to preserve their export markets by milling the biotech corn.

 

THE CAMPAIGN'S POSITION ON THE SAFETY OF GE FOODS

 

The Campaign also disagrees with President Bush's assertion that the

fears over genetically engineered foods are " unfounded " and

" unscientific. "

 

The truth of the matter is that genetically engineered foods have not

been safety tested. There have been no scientific human feeding studies

done on genetically engineered foods to prove they are safe. Just

because millions of Americans are eating them without showing overt

signs of ill health does not mean that they safe. There could be

thousands of people experiencing indications of ill health from eating

genetically engineered foods -- but it is nearly impossible to monitor

this possibility without labeling.

 

The harmful health effects of eating genetically engineered foods are

not likely to show up rapidly like forms of food poisoning that people

sometimes experience. As you know, if someone eats undercooked chicken

that has salmonella bacteria or beef that contains E. coli O157:H7, the

effects may be rapid and dramatic. Death from such types of food

poisoning is even possible within hours or days of eating the

contaminated food.

 

Other forms of illness from food can take much, much longer to show up.

For example, in the case of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy, otherwise

known as Mad Cow Disease, it can take many years for the negative health

effects to become apparent.

 

Food allergies are a health condition that can vary from mild to deadly.

Often food allergies start with very mild conditions that intensify with

repeated exposure to the food that is causing the allergic reaction.

 

With genetically engineered foods, there is the possibility that

thousands of people have developed allergies over the past few years

from eating these unlabeled, untested foods. Without labeling it is

extremely hard for patterns of ill health to be caught by agencies such

as the Centers For Disease Control.

 

Keep in mind that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the agency

that is suppose to be looking out after the health of the American

public, does not even require biotech companies to notify them before

they bring a new genetically engineered product to market. And when the

biotech companies do tell the FDA on a voluntary basis, the agency is

not conducting a thorough scientific investigation of safety.

 

For example, it was not the FDA that discovered StarLink corn contains a

protein that could cause allergies in humans. It was the Environmental

Protection Agency (EPA) that identified the problem of potential

allergic reactions from StarLink corn and restricted its use to animal

feed.

 

And which government agency discovered that StarLink corn had

contaminated the human food supply? None! It was Larry Bohlen of

Friends of the Earth that made the discovery when he sent corn products

to a testing lab to see what percentage contained genetically engineered

corn.

 

No one expected to find StarLink corn in human food products. But if

Larry Bohlen had not had these tests done this serious problem may have

continued to have gone undiscovered. As a result, thousands of people

could be having allergic reactions to the hundreds of products that had

been contaminated by StarLink corn from the inadequate guidelines in

place to regulate genetically engineered foods in the United States. And

they would have wondered why their health had gone downhill without a

clue that they were eating the unapproved StarLink corn because of the

lack of labeling requirements in the U.S.

 

Are genetically engineered foods harmful to humans? Without conducting

studies similar to those required before a new drug or food additive is

allowed to be sold to the public, Americans are serving as human guinea

pigs. And now our country is trying to use the WTO to force the European

Union nations to comply to the inadequate standards we have in place in

the United States.

 

MEDIA COVERAGE

 

Media from all over the world are reporting on President Bush's

comments. Posted below are six articles.

 

The first article is from the BBC (British Broadcasting Company). The

BBC has also set up a web page where people can post comments on the

topic " GM foods: Is Bush right to criticise Europe? " You can submit your

comments at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2930980.stm

 

Craig Winters

Executive Director

The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods

 

The Campaign

PO Box 55699

Seattle, WA 98155

Tel: 425-771-4049

Fax: 603-825-5841

E-mail: label

Web Site: http://www.thecampaign.org

 

Mission Statement: " To create a national grassroots consumer campaign

for the purpose of lobbying Congress and the President to pass

legislation that will require the labeling of genetically engineered

foods in the United States. "

 

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Bush: Africa hostage to GM fears

 

BBC NEWS

2003/05/22 16:05:05 GMT

 

US President George Bush has accused Europe of blocking efforts to fight

famine in Africa because of " unfounded " fears over genetically modified

foods.

 

He accused European nations of " impeding " US efforts to reduce hunger in

Africa by opposing the use of GM crops.

 

The US plans to sue the European Union at the World Trade Organisation

unless it allows the sale of GM foods and crops.

 

US seed companies are keen to sell their products to foreign markets,

but European consumers are wary of GM foods, fearing long-term harm to

human health and the environment.

 

Mr Bush, who is visiting Europe in early June for a G8 summit, said GM

foods could help end hunger in Africa.

 

" Our partners in Europe have blocked all new bio-crops because of

unfounded, unscientific fears, " he said in a speech on Wednesday.

 

" This has caused many African nations to avoid investing in

bio-technologies for fear that their products will be shut out of

European markets. "

 

Zambia says no

 

GM food aid was sent to southern Africa during the current drought,

despite strong reservations from Africa.

 

Zambia banned the aid, saying it would rather go hungry than risk losing

its export markets in Europe because its crops had been contaminated

with GM seed.

 

The BBC's Martin Plaut says the Bush administration has taken a more

commerical approach than Europe towards Africa.

 

He says the US makes great play of the fact that it has helped African

states get an official credit rating, which they need to raise bank

loans.

 

Europe's approach has traditionally been to provide direct funding for

projects like roads or dams.

 

The GM debate is expected to come up when President Bush visits France

next weekend.

 

Correspondents say the EU is likely to resist calls for it to lift its

block on GM food imports. It also developing tough new labelling

regulations which worry US farmers.

 

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Bush Steps Up Criticism of Europe's Ban on Genetic Foods

 

By DAVID E. SANGER

The New York Times

 

NEW LONDON, Conn., May 21 - President Bush asserted today that Europe's

refusal to allow food from genetically modified crops into their markets

had discouraged Third World countries from using this technology and

thus undermined efforts to end hunger in Africa.

 

Mr. Bush's accusation, long a complaint of American farmers, was made

during a graduation speech at the United States Coast Guard Academy that

dwelled on initiatives to combat AIDS and poverty. It is almost certain

to exacerbate the bitter divisions between Washington and Europe that

have not abated since the end of the war in Iraq. While Mr. Bush has

made the case before that Europe should stop obstructing the sale of

genetically modified food, today was the first time he linked that

policy with hunger in the Third World.

 

The speech signaled the tough stance that Mr. Bush is likely to take

when he travels to France in 10 days for the annual economic summit

meeting of the Group of 7 largest industrialized nations and Russia.

White House officials have already said that Mr. Bush plans no

rapprochement with the leaders of France and Germany, beyond what they

call a perfunctory " courtesy visit " to France's president, Jacques

Chirac, during the summit meeting in Evian les-Bains.

 

In a speech that the White House said would put forward what aides

called a " positive agenda " that would show a far softer side to American

foreign policy, Mr. Bush insisted that widened use of " high-yield

bio-crops " would greatly increase agricultural productivity in some of

the world's poorest nations.

 

" Yet our partners in Europe are impeding this effort, " he said, clearly

meaning France and Germany, though he named no countries. " They have

blocked all new bio-crops because of unfounded, unscientific fears. " The

result, he charged, was that African nations that fear being shut out of

European markets are not investing in the technology - in which the

United States has a large financial stake. He appeared to be referring

to such countries as Uganda and Namibia.

 

" European governments should join not hinder the great cause of ending

hunger in Africa, " he said.

 

Mr. Bush made no mention of the United States' own strong economic

interest in the outcome of the dispute with Europe. American

corporations lead the world in biotechnology and are anxious to open the

lucrative European market.

 

Last week the Bush administration filed the equivalent of a lawsuit at

the World Trade Organization to force Europe to lift its ban on

genetically modified food, a step that Mr. Bush had delayed during the

debate about Iraq.

 

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Bush says Europeans perpetuate starvation

 

By DANA MILBANK

Washington Post

May 22, 2003

 

NEW LONDON, Conn. -- President Bush on Wednesday accused Europeans of

perpetuating starvation in Africa by subsidizing agricultural exports

and by objecting to the use of bio-engineered crops, raising another

grievance with Europe at a time of already tense transatlantic

relations.

 

The president, who embarks on a trip to the continent next week, leveled

his accusations against European governments in a speech to graduates of

the U.S. Coast Guard Academy.

 

For the first time raising the highly sensitive issue of Europeans' deep

opposition to genetically altered foods, Bush said well-intentioned

American efforts to reduce hunger in Africa have been thwarted by

European policies.

 

" By widening the use of new high-yield bio-crops and unleashing the

power of markets, we can dramatically increase agricultural productivity

and feed more people across the continent, " Bush said in a commencement

address on the drizzly west bank of the Thames River. " Yet, our partners

in Europe are impeding this effort. They have blocked all new bio-crops

because of unfounded, unscientific fears. "

 

Bush said Europeans, by closing their markets to bio-engineered foods,

have caused African nations to avoid investments in such crops.

" European governments should join -- not hinder -- the great cause of

ending hunger in Africa, " he said.

 

Accusing those who subsidize agricultural exports of preventing poor

countries from developing their own crops, he added: " I propose that all

developed nations, including our partners in Europe, immediately

eliminate subsidies on agricultural exports to developing countries so

that they can produce more food to export and more food to feed their

own people. "

 

By challenging Europeans on the eve of meetings of G-8 leaders in Evian,

France, Bush significantly escalated a food fight with European

governments, which have been resisting genetically altered crops in the

face of broad public opposition. Earlier this month, the United States

and several other countries filed a lawsuit with the World Trade

Organization complaining about a five-year-old European moratorium on

bio-engineered crops.

 

The administration said it acted because Europeans had not met promises

to repeal the ban. The European Union, which said it was moving toward

new rules, called the suit " legally unwarranted, economically unfounded

and politically unhelpful. "

 

In an op-ed article in the Wall Street Journal, U.S. Trade

Representative Robert B. Zoellick expanded on the accusation, writing of

the " dangerous effect " of the E.U. policy, in which " some

famine-stricken African countries refused U.S. food aid because of

fabricated fears -- stoked by irresponsible rhetoric -- about food

safety. "

 

Bush's accusations that Europeans are hobbling anti-hunger efforts was

part of a 26-minute speech in front of nearly 200 graduating cadets that

blended a defiant note against terrorism with a recitation of the

" compassion " in American foreign policy. Bush invoked a humanitarian

rationale for foreign policy, listing his administration's policy

initiatives on AIDS, hunger and other foreign aid.

 

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Dow Jones Business News

Bush: Europeans Have Unscientific Fear Of Bio-Crops

Wednesday May 21, 12:08 pm ET

By Alex Keto, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

 

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- A little more than a week before he heads to

Europe, President George W. Bush called on the Europeans to end their

ban on biotechnology crops and to end its agricultural subsidies which

dump cheap food on the world market.

 

Bush said these two stances adopted by the European Union are preventing

developing countries from taking advantage of scientific breakthroughs

in the development of new crops and also undercutting their agricultural

sectors.

 

Bush said that by widening the use of crops that have been genetically

modified, developing countries, particularly those in Africa, can

dramatically increase crop yields.

 

" Yet our partners in Europe are impeding this effort. They have blocked

all new bio crops because of unfounded, unscientific fears. This has

caused many African nations from investing in biotechnology for fear

their products will be shut out of European markets, " Bush said.

 

" European governments should join, not hinder, the great cause of ending

hunger in Africa, " he added.

 

On the issue of subsidies, Bush also took a hard line with the

Europeans.

 

" When wealthy nations subsidies their agricultural exports, it prevents

poor countries from developing their own agricultural sectors. I propose

that all developed nations, including our partners in Europe,

immediately eliminate subsidies on agricultural exports to developing

countries.

 

Bush was speaking at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy graduation ceremony in

New London, Conn.

 

Bush's comments come as U.S. officials have been pushing the European

Union on agricultural issues.

 

On Tuesday, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick said the European

Union was at a " critical stage " on the issue of agricultural policies.

 

He said that unless the European Union was ready to reform its common

agricultural policy it could endanger the ongoing World Trade

Organization talks on liberalizing agricultural trade.

 

However, the fact that Bush brought up the issue means that talks about

agricultural trade will be a key issue as he meets with European leaders

and attends the Group of Eight leading nations meeting in Evian, France.

 

Beyond that, Bush's comments also likely mean there will be continuing

frictions between the U.S. and some of its European allies.

 

Earlier in the day, French President Jacques Chirac issued a call for

the leaders of the G8 to put aside their differences and to work

together to promote an economic rebound.

 

In addition to his remarks on agricultural trade issues, Bush said he

will also press the Europeans to put money into an effort to combat the

spread of AIDS in Africa and some Caribbean countries.

 

Bush has proposed a $15 billion plan to halt the spread of AIDS and said

the Europeans should join the effort.

 

" I'll challenge our allies to make a similar commitment to save even

more lives. I will remind them the clock is ticking and every single day

8,000 people will die from AIDS and there will be 15,000 more

infections, " Bush said.

 

The point, for the Europeans, will be " to match their good intentions

with real resources, " Bush said.

 

Bush also used the speech as an opportunity to reiterate his belief that

the spread of democracies and free markets represents the greatest

insurance for the security of the U.S.

 

" Free societies look to the possibilities of the future instead of

feeding old resentments and bitterness, " Bush said.

 

" Free countries build wealth and prosperity for their people in an

atmosphere of stability and order, instead of seeking weapons of mass

murder and attacking their neighbors, " Bush added.

 

The president also said the U.S. is ready to confront any nation that

harbors terrorists and seeks to develop weapons of mass destruction.

 

Although the president didn't point his finger at any country in

particular, U.S. officials over the past week have again accused Iran of

harboring leaders of al-Qaida. Iran has an active nuclear program and is

reported to be seeking biological and chemical weapons.

 

-By Alex Keto, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-9256; Alex.Keto

 

 

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Bush blasts Europe's genetic food standards

 

By TOM RAUM, Associated Press

 

NEW LONDON, Conn. (May 22, 2003 10:54 a.m. EDT) - President Bush accused

Europe on Wednesday of aggravating hunger in Africa with restrictive

trade policies on genetically modified food.

 

Bush's charges are likely to put new strains on trans-Atlantic ties

already frayed by divisions over the Iraq war. The president made the

accusations in a commencement address at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy

before a trip to Europe late next week for a summit with allies.

 

The European Union has succumbed to " unfounded, unscientific fears " that

make it harder for impoverished African and other Third-World farmers to

sell their products in European markets, Bush asserted, escalating a

fight over the Europeans' decision to close their markets to

bioengineered foods. U.S. farmers, eager to sell to foreign markets,

have a big stake in the outcome.

 

Bush also proposed a program to augment the Peace Corps with hundreds of

skilled volunteers to provide humanitarian aid in Iraq and elsewhere.

 

Under a leaden sky and in a light drizzle, Bush told graduates of the

first class since the Coast Guard became part of the Homeland Security

Department this year that America's military " had exceeded every

expectation " in Iraq.

 

A day after the government moved the nation's threat status to its

second-highest level, Bush also promised that " America will not relent

in the war against global terror. "

 

But he also emphasized another struggle, one against " the faceless

enemies of human dignity: plague and starvation and hopeless poverty.

And America is at war with these enemies as well. "

 

Bush reiterated a proposal to double the size of the Peace Corps over

the next five years, and announced a program under the auspices of the

White House's Freedom Corps that would " give America's highly skilled

professionals new opportunities to serve abroad. "

 

The president said it put to work U.S. doctors, nurses, teacher,

engineers, economists and computer specialists on specific development

projects.

 

John Bridgeland, a White House domestic adviser and director of Freedom

Corps, said the initiative would provide an outlet for those who wanted

to serve overseas. There is a backlog of 183,000 applicants for 7,000

Peace Corps slots, Bridgeland said.

 

However, the new program is not exactly an alternative to the Peace

Corps; volunteers would serve for weeks or months, versus the more than

two-year commitment.

 

Bush also praised both the House and the Senate for passing his proposed

$15 billion, five-year initiative to fight AIDS globally, and said he

looked forward to signing the bill. " When I travel to Europe next week,

I will challenge our allies to make a similar commitment, " he said.

 

Less than two weeks before he attends an eight-nation summit of major

industrialized democracies in France, he took a broad swipe at the

European Union.

 

Africa's long-term hunger could be greatly reduced " by applying the

latest developments of science, " Bush said. " By widening use of new

high-yield biocrops and unleashing the power of markets, we can

dramatically increase agricultural productivity and feed more people

across the continent.

 

" Yet our partners in Europe are impeding this effort. They have blocked

all new biocrops because of unfounded, unscientific fears. "

 

As a result, African nations have been reluctant to try growing

genetically modified crops " for fear their products will be shut out of

European markets, " Bush said.

 

" European governments should join - not hinder - the great cause of

ending hunger in Africa, " he said.

 

Bush's words - his first public ones on the subject - escalated a

long-simmering fight between the United States and the European Union,

which has imposed a freeze on genetically modified foods.

 

The Bush administration has filed a complaint with the World Trade

Organization, arguing that Europeans are ignoring scientific studies

showing the foods do no harm.

 

EU Trade Commissioner Pascal Lamy has said that the European regulatory

system for genetically modified foods complies with trade rules.

 

After speaking, Bush stayed at the riverfront ceremony as nearly 200 new

graduates received their diplomas. The rain, light while he spoke,

turned heavier as the diploma presentation continued.

 

Bush was greeted by a 21-gun salute. A helicopter flyover ended the

ceremony.

 

Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge, who introduced Bush, praised the

Coast Guard's performance in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks.

" Suddenly the oceans grew smaller and the challenge to control them grew

larger, " Ridge said.

 

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Bush goes on offensive against European critics

 

By RON HUTCHESON

Knight Ridder Newspapers

Posted on Wed, May. 21, 2003

 

NEW LONDON, Conn. - President Bush took the offensive against America's

prickliest foreign allies Wednesday, accusing European nations of

hindering the fight against famine and not doing enough to combat AIDS.

 

The tough talk, a week before Bush meets with European leaders in France

for a summit of the world's leading economic powers, signaled he isn't

ready to soothe hard feelings over his handling of the war in Iraq.

Relations with France and Germany are in a tailspin, and polls indicate

that anti-American sentiment is sweeping Europe.

 

Without mentioning any specific countries, Bush challenged European

leaders to follow his lead in spending more to fight AIDS in Africa. The

House of Representatives gave final approval Wednesday to Bush's $15

billion, five-year plan for AIDS research and treatment in Africa and

the Caribbean.

 

In a commencement speech at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy, Bush said he

intended to remind European leaders next week that " the clock is

ticking " on AIDS and urge them to " match their good intentions with real

resources. " The annual Group of Eight summit of select industrialized

democracies brings together leaders from the United States, Canada,

France, Germany, Britain, Italy, Russia and Japan.

 

In Washington, one European Union official, who asked not to be

identified because he wasn't authorized to quarrel publicly with the

U.S. president, nonetheless expressed dismay at Bush's words.

 

" We've been involved in development in Africa for a long time, and I

think we are probably the major donor of all forms of aid to Africa, "

the EU official said.

 

Bush used harsher language in criticizing European agriculture policies,

asserting that European opposition to genetically engineered crops could

prolong famine in Africa.

 

The European Union has banned the importation of genetically altered

crops - soybeans, corn and other plants that have been altered to thwart

pests and disease - because of health and environmental concerns that

Washington contends are groundless.

 

U.S. agriculture companies have taken the lead in biotechnology, and the

United States filed papers last week asking the World Trade Organization

to declare the ban illegal. Advocates of genetic engineering say it can

help end famine by dramatically increasing crop yields, but many

developing nations are reluctant to try it or accept genetically

modified grain for fear that they would be unable to export their

agricultural products.

 

" We have the ability to confront this suffering. ... Yet our partners in

Europe are hindering this effort, " Bush said. " European governments

should join - not hinder - the great cause of ending hunger in Africa. "

 

He said Europe's concerns about genetically altered crops stemmed from

" unfounded, unscientific fears. "

 

The EU official said European governments didn't counsel African nations

about importing genetically modified food: " As far as GM food imports,

it's up to the countries in Africa to decide what they want. Mixing up

the issue with the GM stuff is not really honest. "

 

As for Bush's combative tone, the EU official said: " My personal

reaction is that it's not uncommon, even in this age of television, for

people to speak to one audience and think another audience is not

listening. It wouldn't surprise me if he takes a much more diplomatic

line next week. Still, there is a tendency for Europe-bashing, and it's

annoying. "

 

Bush also criticized European agricultural subsidies, a longstanding

source of friction between the United States and France, in particular.

 

" When wealthy nations subsidize their agricultural exports, it prevents

poor countries from developing their own agricultural sectors, " Bush

said, calling on " our partners in Europe " to " immediately eliminate

subsidies " on agricultural exports to developing nations.

 

The U.S. government heavily subsidizes many agricultural crops that are

exported.

 

Bush's aggressive tone signaled to European leaders that if there are

fences to mend, it's up to them to make the first move. Focusing on AIDS

and agriculture also might help the president head off attempts by his

critics to turn next week's summit into a debate over dealing with

postwar Iraq.

 

But Bush's remarks were almost sure to offend Europeans who consider him

a swaggering bully and resent Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's

dismissal of them as " old Europe. " A March poll in Russia, Turkey and

six European nations found widespread ill will toward the United States,

and Bush in particular.

 

More than two-thirds of the respondents in France, Spain, Germany,

Russia and Turkey, and more than half in Italy, said they viewed the

United States unfavorably. The poll was commissioned by the U.S.-based

Pew Research Center.

 

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