Guest guest Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 I hope you're all doing well. As for me, I've been on predominantly a raw diet for the past year. Two salads daily with a lot of leafy greens and rain and legume sprouts and also a raw energy soup and some homemade hummus without the tahini along with a couple glasses of raw juice and two or three ounces of barley grass juice. And guess what! Not only has my psa taken a big jump to 15.5, but my LDL bad cholesterol, which has always been low, jumped all the way up to 154 with an overall cholesterol of 227. I've never had high cholesterol in my life, even when I ate meat and junk food many years ago. What do you think could be the problem? I'm not taking in any LDL as far as I know. I use Udo's perfected blend in my raw energy soups and organic extra virgin olive oil in my salads. I also add spirulina and chlorella to the raw soups. Any idea where this LDL may be coming from? Thanks, lotecq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 lotecq, It is astonishing that such a seemingly nutritious diet would result in bad test scores. Three possibilities occur to me: one is a possible error in reporting test results or even a mixup with another patient. It would probably pay for you to retest. Another possibilility is that the test scores themselves are not signficiant. I don't know anything about PSA testing, but I do know there is a lot of controversy surrounding what is good or bad in the way of cholesterol levels. Finally, there is the possibility that the diet, as wonderful as it sounds, may simply be bad for you. It is, after all, a vegetatian diet, and if you believe the blood-type theory of Dr. Peter Dadamo--(and I find I do best when I follow the guidelines he suggests for my type)--you may be one of those people who do best on a basically animal protein diet. Good luck to you. Let us know if you find the answer. Claire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 Thanks, Claire, for your input. All my other test scores are very close to previous ones. So, It's probably the case of the latter. Not so much the vegetarian diet because I was macrobiotic for several years and had no problem with cholesterol. But last year at this time I switched over to a predominantly raw diet, and here's what a nturitionist, who I respect, had to say when he emailed me. Yes, this is amazing. Raw diets waste most folks over time. Chinese medicine says it wastes the pancreatic enzymes (spleen) and the kidney adrenals. The kidney adrenals transform cholesterol into brain chemicals like dhea. Weak kidneys equal high cholesterol. And probably the wrong kind predominates--LDL. Thanks again, lotecq > lotecq, > > It is astonishing that such a seemingly nutritious diet would result in bad test scores. Three possibilities occur to me: one is a possible error in reporting test results or even a mixup with another patient. It would probably pay for you to retest. Another possibilility is that the test scores themselves are not signficiant. I don't know anything about PSA testing, but I do know there is a lot of controversy surrounding what is good or bad in the way of cholesterol levels. > Finally, there is the possibility that the diet, as wonderful as it sounds, may simply be bad for you. It is, after all, a vegetatian diet, and if you believe the blood-type theory of Dr. Peter Dadamo-- (and I find I do best when I follow the guidelines he suggests for my type)--you may be one of those people who do best on a basically animal protein diet. > > Good luck to you. Let us know if you find the answer. > > Claire > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 - " lotecq " <lotecq Saturday, May 24, 2003 3:55 PM Re: Astonished! > Thanks, Claire, for your input. All my other test scores are very > close to previous ones. So, It's probably the case of the latter. > Not so much the vegetarian diet because I was macrobiotic for several > years and had no problem with cholesterol. But last year at this > time I switched over to a predominantly raw diet, and here's what a > nturitionist, who I respect, had to say when he emailed me. > > > Yes, this is amazing. Raw diets waste most folks over time. Chinese > medicine says it wastes the pancreatic enzymes (spleen) and > the kidney adrenals. The kidney adrenals transform cholesterol into > brain chemicals like dhea. Weak kidneys equal high cholesterol. And > probably the wrong kind predominates--LDL. > > Thanks again, > lotecq > Hi: So we were created to eat out of cans and heat up all the foods we eat? Explore fungal infections for your answer instead. One good site is: http://www.iknowthecause.com/ Fungus is said to be directly responsible for both high PSA and high cholesterol. Fungus feeds off of carbs and sugars. You could have a pre-existing condition that has just gotten worse over time and the diet might have nothing to do with it. Some factors to consider: 1. Do you drink alcohol (a fungal mycotoxin)? 2. Do you smoke? 3. Do you take probiotics on a regular basis? 4. Do you have a history of antibiotic or cortisone use? 5. Was non-organic meat (filled with antibiotics and often fungus) part of your diet for the years prior to your current diet? 6. Do you have ailments that caused you to pursue this better diet? If so, are they common to someone suffering from a fungal infection? 7. How many carbs/grains/sugars do you eat a day? 8. Did you eat a lot of sugar in the past? 9. Are the juices you drink from fruits? These are just a small amount of the many issues that would need to be considered for your current condition. I have heard time and time again that people on Atkins have lower cholesterol and symptoms of fungal infections seem to disappear. Atkins has several other dangers so that is not the answer but it does show that carbs can directly affect these issues. Ask the doc about cholesterol meds like Lipitor. It's part of a drug family called statins. A widely used drug for fungal infections is called Nystatin. See anything similar? Many drugs on the market are actually anti-fungal in nature but there are also many natural anti-fungals that can be purchased. There are many books written about this. 3 of them are on the site above. Another is called " Sick and Tired? " , by Young. Several are written by Doctors. For example, see books by Dr. Crook on Candida. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 In Gettingwell , " lotecq " <lotecq> wrote: > I hope you're all doing well. As for me, I've been on predominantly > a raw diet for the past year. Two salads daily with a lot of leafy > greens and rain and legume sprouts and also a raw energy soup and > some homemade hummus without the tahini along with a couple glasses > of raw juice and two or three ounces of barley grass juice. And > guess what! Not only has my psa taken a big jump to 15.5, but my LDL > bad cholesterol, which has always been low, jumped all the way up to > 154 with an overall cholesterol of 227. I've never had high > cholesterol in my life, even when I ate meat and junk food many years > ago. What do you think could be the problem? I'm not taking in any > LDL as far as I know. I use Udo's perfected blend in my raw energy > soups and organic extra virgin olive oil in my salads. I also add > spirulina and chlorella to the raw soups. Any idea where this LDL > may be coming from? > Thanks, > lotecq The benefits of raw salads depend largely on the dressings as well. Unfortunately most salad dressings contain very large amounts of transfats which may elevate your " LDL " . Then too, raw produce is irradiated unless organically grown, which may also pose a problem, (free-radicals). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Gettingwell , " healthgurus " <healthgurus> wrote: > > The benefits of raw salads depend largely on the dressings as > well. Unfortunately most salad dressings contain very large amounts > of transfats which may elevate your " LDL " . > Then too, raw produce is irradiated unless organically grown, which > may also pose a problem, (free-radicals). No, I only eat organic veggies and I never use salad dressing. Only organic extra virgin oil and organic brown rice vinegar or apple cider vinegar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Gettingwell , " NotDoctors.com " <larry@n...> wrote: Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. lotecq > > Hi: > > So we were created to eat out of cans and heat up all the foods we eat? > Explore fungal infections for your answer instead. One good site is: > http://www.iknowthecause.com/ > > Fungus is said to be directly responsible for both high PSA and high > cholesterol. Fungus feeds off of carbs and sugars. You could have > a pre-existing condition that has just gotten worse over time and > the diet might have nothing to do with it. Some factors to consider: > > 1. Do you drink alcohol (a fungal mycotoxin)? > 2. Do you smoke? > 3. Do you take probiotics on a regular basis? > 4. Do you have a history of antibiotic or cortisone use? > 5. Was non-organic meat (filled with antibiotics and often fungus) part of your diet > for the years prior to your current diet? > 6. Do you have ailments that caused you to pursue this better diet? If so, > are they common to someone suffering from a fungal infection? > 7. How many carbs/grains/sugars do you eat a day? > 8. Did you eat a lot of sugar in the past? > 9. Are the juices you drink from fruits? > > These are just a small amount of the many issues that would need to > be considered for your current condition. > > I have heard time and time again that people on Atkins have lower cholesterol > and symptoms of fungal infections seem to disappear. Atkins has several > other dangers so that is not the answer but it does show that carbs can directly > affect these issues. > > Ask the doc about cholesterol meds like Lipitor. It's part of a drug family > called statins. A widely used drug for fungal infections is called Nystatin. > See anything similar? Many drugs on the market are actually anti- fungal > in nature but there are also many natural anti-fungals that can be purchased. > > There are many books written about this. 3 of them are on the site above. > Another is called " Sick and Tired? " , by Young. Several are written by > Doctors. For example, see books by Dr. Crook on Candida. > > Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 In a message dated 5/24/2003 6:41:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, lotecq writes: > No, I only eat organic veggies and I never use salad dressing. Only > organic extra virgin oil and organic brown rice vinegar or apple > cider vinegar. > My understanding is vinegar is very very bad for those with fungal and yeast infections. JJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Hi Also some people's livers make cholesterol and triglycerides out of carbohydrates as in the case of my husband. He has to take medicine because of that and the fact that he is missing the gene that metabalizes fat. He has french canadian relatives and they... especially the men all died by the time they were 50 and in one case in his 40's. My husband had to see a lipid specialist. He is doing well. Kathy ---- Gettingwell Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:41:38 PM Gettingwell Re: Astonished! Gettingwell , " NotDoctors.com " <larry@n...> wrote: Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. lotecq > > Hi: > > So we were created to eat out of cans and heat up all the foods we eat? > Explore fungal infections for your answer instead. One good site is: > http://www.iknowthecause.com/ > > Fungus is said to be directly responsible for both high PSA and high > cholesterol. Fungus feeds off of carbs and sugars. You could have > a pre-existing condition that has just gotten worse over time and > the diet might have nothing to do with it. Some factors to consider: > > 1. Do you drink alcohol (a fungal mycotoxin)? > 2. Do you smoke? > 3. Do you take probiotics on a regular basis? > 4. Do you have a history of antibiotic or cortisone use? > 5. Was non-organic meat (filled with antibiotics and often fungus) part of your diet > for the years prior to your current diet? > 6. Do you have ailments that caused you to pursue this better diet? If so, > are they common to someone suffering from a fungal infection? > 7. How many carbs/grains/sugars do you eat a day? > 8. Did you eat a lot of sugar in the past? > 9. Are the juices you drink from fruits? > > These are just a small amount of the many issues that would need to > be considered for your current condition. > > I have heard time and time again that people on Atkins have lower cholesterol > and symptoms of fungal infections seem to disappear. Atkins has several > other dangers so that is not the answer but it does show that carbs can directly > affect these issues. > > Ask the doc about cholesterol meds like Lipitor. It's part of a drug family > called statins. A widely used drug for fungal infections is called Nystatin. > See anything similar? Many drugs on the market are actually anti- fungal > in nature but there are also many natural anti-fungals that can be purchased. > > There are many books written about this. 3 of them are on the site above. > Another is called " Sick and Tired? " , by Young. Several are written by > Doctors. For example, see books by Dr. Crook on Candida. > > Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 - " The Mitcheners " <spiritfire Sunday, May 25, 2003 8:32 AM Re: Re: Astonished! > Hi > Also some people's livers make cholesterol and triglycerides out of > carbohydrates as in the case of my husband. He has to take medicine because > of that and the fact that he is missing the gene that metabalizes fat. He > has french canadian relatives and they... especially the men all died by > the time they were 50 and in one case in his 40's. My husband had to see a > lipid specialist. He is doing well. > > Kathy > Kathy: That is the medical worlds understanding of the issue. It's great because everything seems to be blamed on genetics now which means we have no control over anything and must resort to drugs to survive. It sells a lot of drugs and keeps the medical profession in business. As far as the fungal based view on cholesterol goes, fungal activity and free radicals cause damage to our arteries. Dehydration also causes cracking in the artery walls as they become less permeable and dried out. The body is smart and needs to respond to this damage in order to repair it. It responds by producing a glue like caking substance known as cholesterol. Cholesterol is used to seal the cracks so the arteries don't burst and cause a stroke or something worse. So, if carbs and sugars feed fungus (by the way, cancer is also fed by fermentation of sugars [could cancer by fungal related?]), fungus becomes more active in the damage it causes and the body responds by producing more cholesterol. So, is your husbands liver malfunctioning because of a genetic defect which is causing it to make cholesterol from carbs, or is something else going on that may be simpler to fix and not require him a lifelong dependency on expensive drugs with all sorts of side effects? Is the fact that your husbands cholesterol blocking drugs, as well as millions that are on similar type drugs, really that these drugs are blocking critical repair mechanisms in our body? Mechanisms that if shut down may result in serious illness later on? Would it better to build up the body nutritionally and use anti-fungals then go the route you have taken? This is something you can determine by doing your own research on the subject and seeing what's best for you and your family. Again, no medical advice. Just sharing research information. Not my place to respond to critics. See the books and resources listed in my other email. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Gettingwell , eagleseyeflight@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/24/2003 6:41:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lotecq writes: > > > No, I only eat organic veggies and I never use salad dressing. Only > > organic extra virgin oil and organic brown rice vinegar or apple > > cider vinegar. > > > > My understanding is vinegar is very very bad for those with fungal and yeast > infections. > JJ JJ, Thanks so much for your reply. I've already been tested for yeast, fungi and parasites, and I'm clear. Since my jump in cholesterol was accompanied by a jump in psa, I'm beginning to think that the cancer has problem weakend the kidneys to the point where they don't convert my body's cholesterol into other chemicals as well as they should. I think I need to find a way to strengthen the kidney-adrenal-spleen areas. lotecq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 > JJ, > Thanks so much for your reply. I've already been tested for yeast, > fungi and parasites, and I'm clear. Since my jump in cholesterol was > accompanied by a jump in psa, I'm beginning to think that the cancer > has problem weakend the kidneys to the point where they don't convert > my body's cholesterol into other chemicals as well as they should. I > think I need to find a way to strengthen the kidney-adrenal-spleen > areas. > lotecq > Many of those tests are misread and done wrong. It is a common problem. I would still explore http://www.iknowthecause.com/ and the other books I mentioned. Anyway, I hope it all works out for you and wish you the best. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Hi How did you get tested for these things? Kathy ---- Gettingwell Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:06:38 PM Gettingwell Re: Astonished! Gettingwell , eagleseyeflight@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/24/2003 6:41:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lotecq writes: > > > No, I only eat organic veggies and I never use salad dressing. Only > > organic extra virgin oil and organic brown rice vinegar or apple > > cider vinegar. > > > > My understanding is vinegar is very very bad for those with fungal and yeast > infections. > JJ JJ, Thanks so much for your reply. I've already been tested for yeast, fungi and parasites, and I'm clear. Since my jump in cholesterol was accompanied by a jump in psa, I'm beginning to think that the cancer has problem weakend the kidneys to the point where they don't convert my body's cholesterol into other chemicals as well as they should. I think I need to find a way to strengthen the kidney-adrenal-spleen areas. lotecq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 I had my doctors order specific blood tests for each as well as some others such as heavy metals like lead and also mercury. lotecq Gettingwell , " The Mitcheners " <spiritfire@t...> wrote: > Hi > How did you get tested for these things? > > Kathy > > ---- > > Gettingwell > Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:06:38 PM > Gettingwell > Re: Astonished! > > Gettingwell , eagleseyeflight@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 5/24/2003 6:41:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > lotecq writes: > > > > > No, I only eat organic veggies and I never use salad dressing. > Only > > > organic extra virgin oil and organic brown rice vinegar or apple > > > cider vinegar. > > > > > > > My understanding is vinegar is very very bad for those with fungal > and yeast > > infections. > > JJ > > JJ, > Thanks so much for your reply. I've already been tested for yeast, > fungi and parasites, and I'm clear. Since my jump in cholesterol was > accompanied by a jump in psa, I'm beginning to think that the cancer > has problem weakend the kidneys to the point where they don't convert > my body's cholesterol into other chemicals as well as they should. I > think I need to find a way to strengthen the kidney-adrenal-spleen > areas. > lotecq > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 Just thought I'd pass along some info from the book I am currently reading. Don't know if this applies to your diet. Here is an excerpt from that book: " When you do not eat cholesterol, your body sees this deprivation as a time of " crisis " or " famine " . During this " famine " , insulin activates an enzyme in your liver called HMG Co-A Reductase that begins to overproduce cholesterol from the carbohydrates you eat. " also .... " dietary cholesterol does not play a role in overproducing cholesterol in the liver. In fact, the only " low-cholesterol " diet you can go on is a diet rich in cholesterol. The only way to switch off the enzyme HMG Co-A Reductase is by eating a sufficient amount of dietary cholesterol. Eating dietary cholesterol signals the body that the time of crisis or famine is over. Dietary cholesterol blocks HMG Co-A Reductase. When HMG Co-A Reductase is blocked, cholesterol cannot be formed from sugar. In other words, the intake of dietary cholesterol stops the internal production of cholesterol. " This is from chapter 6, " Why you must eat cholesterol " in the book, " The Schwarzbein Principle. " If your diet is lacking eggs or other foods with cholesterol, this may apply to you. You may want to read the book sometime. It makes for interesting reading and may give you some food for thought. Beth Original Message ----- lotecq Gettingwell Friday, May 23, 2003 10:40 PM Astonished! I hope you're all doing well. As for me, I've been on predominantly a raw diet for the past year. Two salads daily with a lot of leafy greens and rain and legume sprouts and also a raw energy soup and some homemade hummus without the tahini along with a couple glasses of raw juice and two or three ounces of barley grass juice. And guess what! Not only has my psa taken a big jump to 15.5, but my LDL bad cholesterol, which has always been low, jumped all the way up to 154 with an overall cholesterol of 227. I've never had high cholesterol in my life, even when I ate meat and junk food many years ago. What do you think could be the problem? I'm not taking in any LDL as far as I know. I use Udo's perfected blend in my raw energy soups and organic extra virgin olive oil in my salads. I also add spirulina and chlorella to the raw soups. Any idea where this LDL may be coming from? Thanks, lotecq Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. list or archives: Gettingwell ........ Gettingwell- post............. Gettingwell digest form...... Gettingwell-digest individual emails Gettingwell-normal no email......... Gettingwell-nomail moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner ...... Gettingwell- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Hi Larry Thanks for your viewpoint something to think about. My husbands cholesterol was 900...yes I typed that right 900...the good cholesterol was non existent...He was in a test group with others who had the same condition many others... they are all dead. But for the grace of God go I. Kathy ---- Gettingwell Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:05:44 PM Gettingwell Re: Re: Astonished! - " The Mitcheners " <spiritfire Sunday, May 25, 2003 8:32 AM Re: Re: Astonished! > Hi > Also some people's livers make cholesterol and triglycerides out of > carbohydrates as in the case of my husband. He has to take medicine because > of that and the fact that he is missing the gene that metabalizes fat. He > has french canadian relatives and they... especially the men all died by > the time they were 50 and in one case in his 40's. My husband had to see a > lipid specialist. He is doing well. > > Kathy > Kathy: That is the medical worlds understanding of the issue. It's great because everything seems to be blamed on genetics now which means we have no control over anything and must resort to drugs to survive. It sells a lot of drugs and keeps the medical profession in business. As far as the fungal based view on cholesterol goes, fungal activity and free radicals cause damage to our arteries. Dehydration also causes cracking in the artery walls as they become less permeable and dried out. The body is smart and needs to respond to this damage in order to repair it. It responds by producing a glue like caking substance known as cholesterol. Cholesterol is used to seal the cracks so the arteries don't burst and cause a stroke or something worse. So, if carbs and sugars feed fungus (by the way, cancer is also fed by fermentation of sugars [could cancer by fungal related?]), fungus becomes more active in the damage it causes and the body responds by producing more cholesterol. So, is your husbands liver malfunctioning because of a genetic defect which is causing it to make cholesterol from carbs, or is something else going on that may be simpler to fix and not require him a lifelong dependency on expensive drugs with all sorts of side effects? Is the fact that your husbands cholesterol blocking drugs, as well as millions that are on similar type drugs, really that these drugs are blocking critical repair mechanisms in our body? Mechanisms that if shut down may result in serious illness later on? Would it better to build up the body nutritionally and use anti-fungals then go the route you have taken? This is something you can determine by doing your own research on the subject and seeing what's best for you and your family. Again, no medical advice. Just sharing research information. Not my place to respond to critics. See the books and resources listed in my other email. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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